American Women

Here is a site that every male on this thread needs to be acquainted with.

This guy gets it LOL!

[url]http://www.nomarriage.com/[/url]

[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33907426/ns/today-today_people/?GT1=43001[/url]

[QUOTE=Jwdub]Here is a site that every male on this thread needs to be acquainted with.

This guy gets it LOL!

[url]http://www.nomarriage.com/[/url][/QUOTE]

I agree with most of that page, however there is the other side of that coin. I am not defending AW, what I am saying is that I believe some men shouldn't be allowed to pick who they marry and some women shouldn't be allowed to pick who they marry, its simple.

There are matches for everyone, the object, the key, whatever is to FIND that person.

While there are maybe 80% of marriages with those problems outlined here, there and everywhere, there is still 20% without those problems. What you have to do is increase your odds.

If your intention is marriage, treat it like the biggest business/personal transaction of your life BECAUSE IT IS!

You pay attention to every word spoken, every move made, every action, everything.

See what these men never got was a women that thought of YOU way before she thought of herself. Don't you understand how love works? Your mother loves you, would cut her arm off if it meant you could have an arm

That is NO DIFFERENT. Go on Huffington Post, there's a woman that gave up her sight so her daughter could see. That is love, that is the woman you marry. Anything less than that and you'll end up with pain.

Now if you need less than that, then just marry anybody, if she's not a selfish ***** she'll sign a ironclad pre-nup without hesitation.

If she won't sign it, A) she's a ***** B) she's worthless

I don't understand how people accept LESS just not be alone. That's ridiculous!

I can be alone, I don't mind it. It doesn't bother me really. I have friends, when I choose to be around them, I am. What P4P is, what this site is founded on (partly) is that you are just satisfying a sexual desire that can't be quelled with Porn or Masturbation. That is a human connection all of us need. Now what's HARD to attain is a connection that doesn't require a monetary transaction.

When a connection is made, urges can break it. You are a human being, you can function just fine without drugs, drinking or anything else. When you break down humanity or the things we share with other mammals is an emotional connection with another mammal, strong enough to produce offspring.

If you can't break your urge to have sex with strange women, you are not meant to be in a monogamous relationship, simple as that.

I have no desire to be with multiple women, I want ONE woman. So my job is to see that mission through. However that does not mean I should go around being without human contact sexually, like what American Culture expects you to do, that's the Puritanical foundation of this once proud (well not really) nation.

A lot of the problems with marriage have to do with two major factors. The first factor is that marriage was created to secure transfers of property and alliances between families. The second factor is the fact that women still see marriage as a means of having property transferred to them but lead men to believe that they want marriage for romantic reasons. Men still see marriage as a means of obtaining sex, female companionship, love and someone to care for them and their offspring. Most men haven’t gotten out of thinking of marriage in a traditional framework. There have been changes made to the institution of marriage like no fault divorce, property division, child custody and judgment in the female’s favor by default. Men haven’t quite adapted to these changes on a large scale. So when a woman feeds a bunch of bullshit to a man about being in love and wanting him to make a dishonest woman of her, he falls for it. He’s thinking love and sex while she’s thinking big pay day and how she can finally stop dieting.

If a man would stop thinking with his dipstick for a moment he would see that a marriage contract holds nothing for him but financial loss and emotional distress. If he has nothing to lose then marriage is great for him. The problem for him though is that women don’t want men with nothing to lose. They want a many with a lot to lose, the more the better. I know that some of you are out there thinking that you’ll just be a good boy and things will work out just fine, right? Well, you’ll discover that married women are jealous, controlling, emotionally volatile creatures. They’ll make your life less enjoyable each opportunity they get. We all have to make compromises but who wants to compromise the most intimate details of their life for decades? When you combine that with the American man’s waiving of his rights you’ve got a real recipe for disaster. Forget about importing a foreign wife. These women are only timid in their home countries because the men there have about ten lefts for every right that a woman has. When you visit there to monger you’re just piggybacking off of this system that the local men have in place. Once she gets to America and realizes that she has more rights and that you have neither rights nor lefts your ass will be in deep trouble.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]A lot of the problems with marriage have to do with two major factors. The first factor is that marriage was created to secure transfers of property and alliances between families. The second factor is the fact that women still see marriage as a means of having property transferred to them but lead men to believe that they want marriage for romantic reasons. Men still see marriage as a means of obtaining sex, female companionship, love and someone to care for them and their offspring. Most men haven’t gotten out of thinking of marriage in a traditional framework. There have been changes made to the institution of marriage like no fault divorce, property division, child custody and judgment in the female’s favor by default. Men haven’t quite adapted to these changes on a large scale. So when a woman feeds a bunch of bullshit to a man about being in love and wanting him to make a dishonest woman of her, he falls for it. He’s thinking love and sex while she’s thinking big pay day and how she can finally stop dieting.

If a man would stop thinking with his dipstick for a moment he would see that a marriage contract holds nothing for him but financial loss and emotional distress. If he has nothing to lose then marriage is great for him. The problem for him though is that women don’t want men with nothing to lose. They want a many with a lot to lose, the more the better. I know that some of you are out there thinking that you’ll just be a good boy and things will work out just fine, right? Well, you’ll discover that married women are jealous, controlling, emotionally volatile creatures. They’ll make your life less enjoyable each opportunity they get. We all have to make compromises but who wants to compromise the most intimate details of their life for decades? When you combine that with the American man’s waiving of his rights you’ve got a real recipe for disaster. Forget about importing a foreign wife. These women are only timid in their home countries because the men there have about ten lefts for every right that a woman has. When you visit there to monger you’re just piggybacking off of this system that the local men have in place. Once she gets to America and realizes that she has more rights and that you have neither rights nor lefts your ass will be in deep trouble.[/QUOTE]

I agree, I agree, I agree -

Marriage in its current form of not an equal division of rights and property.

Yes most American women want a man with "Something". I am not totally sure its because they "want what's coming to them". I think it has more to do with "He'll be able to buy me shit while were dating and buy a big house when were married"

For most AW this would be true and yes I will agree there needs to be a taking back of rights that we have given up in marriage and true advocates of equal rights and civil rights; on both sides would agree, not the knee-jerk reactionary crowd that dominates America.

With all that said, I'll say it again. If you choose to go overseas, then you need to find an intelligent woman. These are women that find typical American Men and American Culture in a word - CRAZY!

You can find these women in America. However they tend not to be the most attractive, as most 9's and 10's feel they have an advantage based on looks alone. Those women can be avoided its easy, they avoid you most of the time anyway, unless your (insert male form popular culture here).

CM - You might not be interested and IF you are, I understand for where you stand. I think there is room for compromise, reasonable compromise...

Maybe not a "10" but an "7" or "8"

Maybe not 18-19 years old, but 27, 28, maybe even 30 years old

I think you can demand she be in shape or at least thin. I don't have a problem with that. Foreign women tend not to have the same relationship with food we do here in the States, I think the only exception might be British and Canadians.

I have only met women that despise "American Culture" (the TV version) and want men that aren't Metrosexual. We have talked about this before. Europe is dominated by Metrosexual men that don't have the traditional value that MANY women overseas want, which is a guy that can fix things, put a woman in her place, BE A MAN! We have said this before about Eastern European Women, they want Men to be Men.

The same can be said for most Western European, Asian and South American women.

Again, what I am saying is I don't disagree it just makes the selection process much, much harder. But I don't think its TOO hard, or impossible nor not worth the effort. Because when you hit on the right combination, you become one of that 10-20% of men in America with a successful marriage and its for all the right reasons.

Whoops -

I'd also add that I would be happy with a civil arrangement, you don't even have to call it "marriage". I just would like to find somebody that is my true love, like one would love their children. That's in unconditional love and CM there are those women out there, rare but their out there.

Key is they don't have "Laundry List" of desires.

[QUOTE=Dickhead][url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33907426/ns/today-today_people/?GT1=43001[/url][/QUOTE]

She couldn't just ask for implants huh?

In the court of public opinion she'll basically get off scott-free and call her "creative". Karma and Irony are strange bedfellows...

[url]http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200301/flanagan[/url]

The 1# reason why men go to other countries is because AW have not evolved and developed into the hybrids that American Culture requires. In Foreign Women we are seeking a return to traditional values held many (keeping a neat, orderly home, raising children, etc) and maybe (hybridization) doing a part-time job, work from home, etc.

Unfortunately, many men assume this is some sort of "free ride" masquerading as "desiring traditional rolls".

For some that may be true, its your job to flush out the fakers. Which again I don't understand the issue of Foreign women being fluent in English. Does this mean they have had contact with American/Canadian/British/Australian men?

More than likely but that can't be seen as an automatic negative (we're not talking about hookers here) and how many men have dragged women across 3-4 time zones to not be what they said they were? In the Marrying Foreign Women thread, I posted some figures from 2003 and a high percentage of K1's return to their original countries.

It can't be that all Foreign Women return home because they were found out to be some sort of fraud? I personally think if a woman that gone through the consideration and trouble (especially in countries where the US limits their rights to enter) of looking for a Western Man then her intentions are true. What you have do is use a filter. Not every corn kernel is used, not every germ of wheat is used, not even apple is sent to market, you can assume that even a good looking apple has a worm in it...

When there tons of stories, books and news articles about "The Lack of Sex in American Marriages" its already crisis mode. How many 20, even 30something AW do you know that can't even cook? I've stop counting, its pointless. Even many Single Mothers can't cook, subjecting Children to a steady diet of Microwave Dinners and McDonald's, appalling!

As I said before, if your intention (as it is mine) is to find ONE woman, consider it an adventure and enjoy P4P in the meantime, then its on you to do the proper job. If men like to break things down to their simplest forms and solve the problem, then you should look at marriage the same way.

Lastly I'll use my own mother has an example. She has been working since she finished college (1960 with Masters from Georgetown). First as a Nurse and later in Financial Services. She raised two children largely on her own and wasn't struggling at all. When I asked her recently if she still had sex (in a non-direct fashion) with my stepfather, she said no. I asked if she missed it, she said, she used too. I ask what happen and she said that my stepfather who has had back problems since the mid 70's, even disk replacement surgery become uninterested (because of pain) and sex just stopped.

I used to "catch" them when I was younger.

So that right there BLOWS apart the myth that sex stops just because the woman doesn't want to have sex. So I do blame MEN more than Women, your the one that brought into this weird culture that says; you should marry the more demure looking brunette woman than the racy looking blond. Men constantly fool themselves into thinking this will make a more stable relationship.

That's complete bullshit. The problem is you found a woman that just doesn't want to have sex with you period and found a perfect excuse not too - Children

I've seen this pattern time and time again. All three of my co-workers suffer from this. Is this a cause not to have children because your sex life will suffer???

No, complaints are valid I agree and I fully understand. But you "settled" and look what happen. I still think some of these "character flaws" can be detected if your paying attention...

Lots of Argentinean women don't know how to cook either because of the high prevalence of servants even in working-class homes. However there are no sexless marriages here. There may be marriages where the husband and wife aren't fucking [b]each other[/b] but everybody is fucking [b]somebody[/b].

Paraguayan women, though, all know how to cook and love to feed their men. In return they appreciate it if you fuck them quite frequently. This is a win-win situation as far as I can tell. It has also been my experience that women who know how to cook are better in bed then women who do not. My guess is this is true for men as well.

I'm not sure if this belongs to the AW subject, but I think it is related. Since the guy had sex with a horse instead of a woman. The Sex Prison makes some people do these kinda things.

I wonder why he got 3 years, the horse was quiet an adult 21 y.o.:) and seemed to be ok with that.

Although the news also says the horse got an STD from the guy. So the horse's female owner got pissed off.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091105/ap_on_re_us/us_horse_molester[/url]

CONWAY, S.C. – A South Carolina man caught on video having sex with a horse was sentenced Wednesday to three years in prison after pleading guilty for the second time in two years to abusing the creature.

Rodell Vereen was also ordered never to go near the stable where the horse's owner caught him and held him for authorities at shotgun point over the summer. He apologized to the woman and to himself after admitting to buggery at the Horry County courthouse.

"I'm sorry about what I've done. I didn't mean to do it. It's my fault. I'm sorry for what I've done to myself," Vereen said during Wednesday's court hearing.

Vereen was arrested in July after Barbara Kenley caught him entering the barn at Lazy B Stables in Longs, about 20 miles northeast of Myrtle Beach. She had been staking out the stable for more than a week after setting up a surveillance camera and videotaping Vereen's assault on her 21-year-old horse named Sugar.

Kenley said she became suspicious because her horse was acting strange and getting infections, and she noticed things were moved around the barn and dirt was piled up near the horse's stall.

It wasn't the first time she'd caught Vereen. In late 2007, Kenley found him asleep in the hay after assaulting her horse. For that offense, he also pleaded guilty to buggery, received probation and had to register as a sex offender.

On Wednesday, the judge sentenced Vereen to five years in prison, but he will only have to serve three years behind bars as long as he successfully completes two years of probation. Vereen also was ordered to undergo additional mental treatment after he gets out of prison and was told to stay away from Kenley's stable.

Kenley told The Sun News of Myrtle Beach she was mostly happy with the verdict, but wished Vereen had got more prison time.

"I've been through hell for the last year and it's caused a lot of hardship," Kenley told the newspaper. "There's a lot of ridicule and jokes going around about this thing. And a person can only take so much.

Good news for you mongers married to the 25% of AW with no sex drive. :D
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I thought this was a cute story. With bloomberg in for another 4 years this might be the only way to get a finger full. If you can't touch you have to come up with new ways to get off.

What is the poor sap stuck with a barely breathing, starfish moving, AW's going to do? Sneak the drug to them unannounced? There is no drug that can possibly clear the clutter in an AW's brain to allow them to relax and enjoy sex. The best aphrodisiac for these parasites is for you to give them something they really want really badly (Jewelry, car, pay their rent, become their sugardaddy???). Otherwise, you could give them an intravenous infusion of this new drug and it won't make a difference. Period. You can count active AW's who actually love sex in the thousands (4 to the low 5 figures). Among a nation with 75 million adult women that's pretty freaking low. I bet you it WON'T sell crap here in Sex Prison USA. Elsewhere it will be a huge seller :D
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Good news for you mongers married to the 25% of AW with no sex drive. :D
[url]http://health.msn.com/medications/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100249638&GT1=31053[/url][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]What is the poor sap stuck with a barely breathing, starfish moving, AW's going to do? Sneak the drug to them unannounced? There is no drug that can possibly clear the clutter in an AW's brain to allow them to relax and enjoy sex. The best aphrodisiac for these parasites is for you to give them something they really want really badly (Jewelry, car, pay their rent, become their sugardaddy???). Otherwise, you could give them an intravenous infusion of this new drug and it won't make a difference. Period. You can count active AW's who actually love sex in the thousands (4 to the low 5 figures). Among a nation with 75 million adult women that's pretty freaking low. I bet you it WON'T sell crap here in Sex Prison USA. Elsewhere it will be a huge seller :D[/QUOTE]

haha, good post.

Hello!

I have been travelling a lot around the world and met both pros and no pro girl in East Europe, Latin America and Africa.

Recently I have developed a relationship with a very beautiful model in Kenya, a girl I never even dared dreaming off before I met her. To my suprise, she told me that several of her model friends are very interested in meeting white guys and that they envied her for meeting me.

I am in my mid 30ies, not very slim, but have a good business.

Does any of you have similar experiences, or have I just been very lucky???

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]I wonder why he got 3 years, the horse was quiet an adult 21 y.o. and seemed to be ok with that.[/QUOTE]
Did his lawyer make the legal argument that the horse gave consent?

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Did his lawyer make the legal argument that the horse gave consent?[/QUOTE]I don't know if the guy had a lawyer. Probably he did not. If I were him, I would argue that the horse would kick him in his nads badly if she disliked it. But apparently she did like it since it was not a single "date".

In general I think it is extremely difficult to have sex with someone in most cases unless there is a consent.

The judge asked the horse if consent was given and the horse said "neigh." Apparently the guy was pretty lazy. He was just sitting on a stool with his pecker out saying "Giddyup! Whoa! Back" Giddyup! Whoa! Back!"

Some of you may know that horses have really, really big vaginas so maybe he was looking for an easy target.

Hehe you must be one of those guys with $$$$$ signs plastered all over your forehead. I would switch my gold digger sensors on full ALERT.
[QUOTE=Polar1234]Hello!

I have been travelling a lot around the world and met both pros and no pro girl in East Europe, Latin America and Africa.

Recently I have developed a relationship with a very beautiful model in Kenya, a girl I never even dared dreaming off before I met her. To my suprise, she told me that several of her model friends are very interested in meeting white guys and that they envied her for meeting me.

I am in my mid 30ies, not very slim, but have a good business.

Does any of you have similar experiences, or have I just been very lucky???[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Polar1234]Hello!

I have been travelling a lot around the world and met both pros and no pro girl in East Europe, Latin America and Africa.

Recently I have developed a relationship with a very beautiful model in Kenya, a girl I never even dared dreaming off before I met her. To my suprise, she told me that several of her model friends are very interested in meeting white guys and that they envied her for meeting me.

I am in my mid 30ies, not very slim, but have a good business.

Does any of you have similar experiences, or have I just been very lucky???[/QUOTE]
Polar:

Your experience is not unusual but it probably has more to do with your passport and wallet that your appearance. As long as your remember that you'll be fine.

Polar: I agree with CM & CA. Here's an idea: if things get serious, tell her you want to live very simply in Kenya, that you aren't interested in living in the US. You want to devote your life to helping Kenyan widows and orphans. If it's true love you'll know. Otherwise, the stars in her eyes will quickly appear as what they really are, which are simply dollar signs.

[url]http://www.stickmanweekly.com/ReadersSubmissions2009/reader5546.htm[/url]

By Old, Fat, and Bald


I will start by stating that this submission has only peripheral connections to Thailand. However, it harkens back to “Who is a *****” by Korski, to Brokenman’s situation, and to several recent submissions on Stickman’s weekly column. The common thread is the question of why women do what they do; or more precisely, how they are capable of some of the things they do after all we have done for them? I will admit to a life long, and fruitless, search for the answers to these seemingly eternal mysteries. Fruitless that is, until now.

In my research of all things on the net (i.e. mindless surfing) I came upon a truly remarkable statement that explains much, if not all, female behavior. I found it by tracing back a reference made in a very interesting newspaper article, “Brides of the State”, first published in the "Inside Cork" newspaper, Thursday 8 July 2004. Note that we are talking behavior, which is observable fact, and not thinking or desires. Freud said that no one knows what women want. That opinion remains true, as far as I can tell. Like all truly great discoveries, such as E=MC2 or F=MA, what I found that explains the unified field theory of women’s behavior is elegantly simple. What I found was Briffault’s Law.

(Skip the following paragraph if you are not interested in the man behind the law.)

From Wikipidia: Robert Briffault was a novelist, historian, social anthropologist, and surgeon. He was born in Nice, France of a French father and a Scottish mother. After the death of his father, Briffault and his Scottish-born mother immigrated to New Zealand. In May 1896 he married Anna Clarke; the couple had three children, Lister, Muriel, and Joan, born from 1897 to 1901. Briffault received his MB, ChB from the University of Dunedin in New Zealand in 1905 and commenced medical practice. After service on the Western Front during World War I, he settled in England, his wife having died. In the late 1920s he married again, to Herma Hoyt (1898-1981), an American writer and translator. <Note: The new wife was one year younger than his oldest child. A man after my own heart.> He can be seen as French, Scottish, New Zealander (Kiwi), English (Pom), or, by marriage, American (Yank). The point of this is to state the credentials of the author and to show that this law has been there for many years; we just needed to find it.


BRIFFAULT’S LAW:

The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

There are a few corollaries I would add:

Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.

Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit (see corollary 1)

A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (which is not bloody likely).

Let us start by saying much of the discussion on the Stickman site seems to start from the belief that Thai women are somehow different from all other women, both in the good and the bad. And that their actions derive from the cultural milieu in which they were reared; and therefore no western man can really understand their thinking without intensive cross cultural study. I posit that this is BS. No man can ever understand what is going on inside the head of any woman, of any culture, including their own, no matter how much they study. We should not kid ourselves. The best we can hope to do is observe their behaviors and roll with the punches. This is where Briffault’s Law is vital. All women associate with any man only so long as they derive a benefit from the association. This can not be stated too many times.

A bit of recent data that supports this proposition comes from a recent study done in the UK. The findings were that for a period from the early 1990’s to the early 2000’s, 90% of UK women practiced hypergamy. Hypergamy is a 15 cent (about 7 pence in GBPs) word for marrying up. The hypothesis in the study was; do women exhibit hypergamy, or not. You start with assuming not, and then disprove that. If they do not, then roughly 50% would marry up and 50% would marry down. During the period of the study 90% of UK women married men that made more money than they did, or had greater wealth. The 90% marrying up rate provides ample evidence that the women exhibit hypergamy behavior. These were not poor daughters of Isaan rice farmers. This was not a developing country. This behavior could be observed anywhere in the world and at any time in history.

Before discovering Briffault’s Law, I came to a similar independent, although not so well or concisely stated, conclusion. A few years ago, while arguing with my six sisters about my intentions to marry a Filipina half my age (marriage number 4 so I am a slow learner), they argued that she was just marrying me to get a better life. After a few seconds of reflection I retorted that this was true for every woman in the world marrying any man. This left them with no response. After all, who among us ever marries to have a worse life? We all hope that it will be an improvement. With women it is doubly so, since they have no intention of actually working to improve their lives.

So, let’s get to Korski’s question, “Who is a *****”, and my initial response, “They all are”. By Briffault’s Law if a woman is associating with you (assuming you are a man) then she is doing it because she sees some benefit, either current, or in the future, from that association. How is this different from the bargirl on Soi Cowboy? I think only in the duration of the intended association, the amount of benefit expected, and in the woman’s acceptance of delay in getting that benefit. Guys, let’s get real about this. It is past time to take off the rose colored glasses.

How does this help? If you know going in that she is there to derive a benefit, then make sure you are willing and able to provide that benefit, that you are willing and able to continue to provide that benefit, and that the cost to you of providing that benefit is worth the benefit you derive from the association. Be fully aware that when the benefit to her stops, the relationship will stop. Have no illusions. This is true in the UK, France, America, Thailand, and everywhere else. So, if you spend every dime in your retirement fund to build her and/or her mother a house (in her name of course), do not expect that the association will continue. You must say no early and often so you preserve your ability to provide a continuing benefit. If you drain all your resources, then you get what you should expect (see corollary 1).

Keep control of your money, only you will be responsible with it, because you had to earn it. After my first divorce I commiserated with a female secretary that was at least two decades older than me, and who was herself divorced. When I told her that I had let my wife run the family finances (common in 80% of married couples in the USA), and that she had run us deep into debt, she told me, “Any man that turns over his paycheck to a woman is a fool.” I would add that giving any woman every penny you have in the world is just asking her to kick you to the curb and walk away from you.

Deriving mutual benefits from a relationship is not a bad thing. Where Brokenman and the rest of us men lose the plot is when we expect past benefit provided to the woman to continue generating current or future association (see corollary 1). Loyalty, honor, gratitude, and duty are male values that we men project on women, but which very few, to no, women actually possess. We aren’t born with these values; they are drummed into us from the cradle on by society/culture, our families, and most definitely by the women in our lives (sorry, but that includes you too, Mom). Women get different indoctrination, so they have different values; mostly, for a woman, whatever is good for her and her (biological) children is what is best, full stop. So, do not expect that the woman in your life will be grateful, and sacrifice for you, when you can no longer provide for her and hers. And make no mistake, you have never been, and never will be, part of what is hers. What are hers will be first herself, then her (biological) children, then her parents, then her siblings, and then the rest of her blood relatives. The biological imperative has always been to extend her blood line. It stops there, and it always will. This is true everywhere in the world. Get over it.

Men love women, but I truly believe that women are incapable of what we men call love. “Greater love hath no man than that he lay down his life for his friends.” How many women are willing to die for their husbands, friends, country, or comrades in arms? Damn few, if any. Yet it is commonly expected of men (made compulsory under certain circumstances). How many men continue on in their marriages, supporting their family and their wife, while the wife is making their life a living hell? Far too many. How many men choose their wives over their parents and siblings? Most. Women do not behave like this. Men take out large insurance policies so their wives and children will be well taken care of should they die. Even if the wife is making (nearly) as much money as the husband, she will not have insurance. She sees no reason to reduce her current ability to spend to take care of others after she is dead. She could care less what happens to the husband, and doesn’t want the husband to be able to spend money on some young bimbo, after she dies. The life insurance gender statistics are well known, and widely available. None of this should be a shocking revelation. When my second wife died, her mandatory insurance (free) provided by her teacher’s union covered her funeral expenses. It would have made life much easier if her insurance had paid the over $350,000 my life insurance would have paid.

When does the expectation of mutual benefit in marriage go seriously wrong in the west? It goes wrong as soon as the “I Dos” are said, or very shortly thereafter. Why is this so? Because you, the man have just entered into a contract with the state where you have promised that you will provide everything to your bride, and where the bride has promised nothing. By the way, the full weight of the law and public opinion will support her stripping you of every thing you have, including your children, and most of what you will ever make in the future, when (not if) she decides to dump you. Hence, once you enter into the contract you have nothing left to offer her. Everything you have, or will have, is already hers. Seem like a harsh statement? I thought so too, the first time I heard it, during an argument with my first wife towards the end of our marriage. She asked me the eternal female question, “What do you do for me?” (i.e. what benefit do I get from associating with you?) I responded, “I pay all your expenses. I feed, clothe, and house you. And, I am paying for your college tuition.” She told me that all the money I earned was her money and that if she let me have any of it that was pure charity on her part, so I was doing nothing for her. I thought this was unduly harsh. The divorce courts showed me that it was pretty much just a statement of fact. The wife has it all, and can make her part of the marriage contract, the portion where she is to provide you with companionship, comfort, loyalty, sex, etc., null and void at any time while keeping everything you have/had/will ever have. She has no need to associate with you further once you are married (see corollary 2). (What is the difference between regular Barbie doll and divorced Barbie doll? Divorced Barbie comes with her stuff and all of Ken’s stuff too.) This seems a totally destructive state of affairs. Recently many in the western nations have been up in arms over a law passed in, I believe, Saudi Arabia that said if a married woman refuses her husband sex, then he can refuse to feed her. All are screaming it is Islamic misogyny. Seems to me, it is an equal degree of enforcement for both sides of a contract.

Presenting Briffault’s Law is a duty I felt I owed to the readership, as a public service. We all need to take off the blinders. You will get from women exactly what you should expect; if you keep Briffault’s Law (and my corollaries) in mind. Knowing this earlier in life would have saved me a lot of pain. I hope it helps some of you out there keep a hand on the reins. All of us, men and women, will be happier if men take charge of their relationships and their finances.

[QUOTE=Warbucks][url]http://www.stickmanweekly.com/ReadersSubmissions2009/reader5546.htm[/url]

By Old, Fat, and Bald


I will start by stating that this submission has only peripheral connections to Thailand. However, it harkens back to “Who is a *****” by Korski, to Brokenman’s situation, and to several recent submissions on Stickman’s weekly column. The common thread is the question of why women do what they do; or more precisely, how they are capable of some of the things they do after all we have done for them? I will admit to a life long, and fruitless, search for the answers to these seemingly eternal mysteries. Fruitless that is, until now.

In my research of all things on the net (i.e. mindless surfing) I came upon a truly remarkable statement that explains much, if not all, female behavior. I found it by tracing back a reference made in a very interesting newspaper article, “Brides of the State”, first published in the "Inside Cork" newspaper, Thursday 8 July 2004. Note that we are talking behavior, which is observable fact, and not thinking or desires. Freud said that no one knows what women want. That opinion remains true, as far as I can tell. Like all truly great discoveries, such as E=MC2 or F=MA, what I found that explains the unified field theory of women’s behavior is elegantly simple. What I found was Briffault’s Law.

(Skip the following paragraph if you are not interested in the man behind the law.)

From Wikipidia: Robert Briffault was a novelist, historian, social anthropologist, and surgeon. He was born in Nice, France of a French father and a Scottish mother. After the death of his father, Briffault and his Scottish-born mother immigrated to New Zealand. In May 1896 he married Anna Clarke; the couple had three children, Lister, Muriel, and Joan, born from 1897 to 1901. Briffault received his MB, ChB from the University of Dunedin in New Zealand in 1905 and commenced medical practice. After service on the Western Front during World War I, he settled in England, his wife having died. In the late 1920s he married again, to Herma Hoyt (1898-1981), an American writer and translator. <Note: The new wife was one year younger than his oldest child. A man after my own heart.> He can be seen as French, Scottish, New Zealander (Kiwi), English (Pom), or, by marriage, American (Yank). The point of this is to state the credentials of the author and to show that this law has been there for many years; we just needed to find it.


BRIFFAULT’S LAW:

The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.

There are a few corollaries I would add:

Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.

Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit (see corollary 1)

A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (which is not bloody likely).

Let us start by saying much of the discussion on the Stickman site seems to start from the belief that Thai women are somehow different from all other women, both in the good and the bad. And that their actions derive from the cultural milieu in which they were reared; and therefore no western man can really understand their thinking without intensive cross cultural study. I posit that this is BS. No man can ever understand what is going on inside the head of any woman, of any culture, including their own, no matter how much they study. We should not kid ourselves. The best we can hope to do is observe their behaviors and roll with the punches. This is where Briffault’s Law is vital. All women associate with any man only so long as they derive a benefit from the association. This can not be stated too many times.

A bit of recent data that supports this proposition comes from a recent study done in the UK. The findings were that for a period from the early 1990’s to the early 2000’s, 90% of UK women practiced hypergamy. Hypergamy is a 15 cent (about 7 pence in GBPs) word for marrying up. The hypothesis in the study was; do women exhibit hypergamy, or not. You start with assuming not, and then disprove that. If they do not, then roughly 50% would marry up and 50% would marry down. During the period of the study 90% of UK women married men that made more money than they did, or had greater wealth. The 90% marrying up rate provides ample evidence that the women exhibit hypergamy behavior. These were not poor daughters of Isaan rice farmers. This was not a developing country. This behavior could be observed anywhere in the world and at any time in history.

Before discovering Briffault’s Law, I came to a similar independent, although not so well or concisely stated, conclusion. A few years ago, while arguing with my six sisters about my intentions to marry a Filipina half my age (marriage number 4 so I am a slow learner), they argued that she was just marrying me to get a better life. After a few seconds of reflection I retorted that this was true for every woman in the world marrying any man. This left them with no response. After all, who among us ever marries to have a worse life? We all hope that it will be an improvement. With women it is doubly so, since they have no intention of actually working to improve their lives.

So, let’s get to Korski’s question, “Who is a *****”, and my initial response, “They all are”. By Briffault’s Law if a woman is associating with you (assuming you are a man) then she is doing it because she sees some benefit, either current, or in the future, from that association. How is this different from the bargirl on Soi Cowboy? I think only in the duration of the intended association, the amount of benefit expected, and in the woman’s acceptance of delay in getting that benefit. Guys, let’s get real about this. It is past time to take off the rose colored glasses.

How does this help? If you know going in that she is there to derive a benefit, then make sure you are willing and able to provide that benefit, that you are willing and able to continue to provide that benefit, and that the cost to you of providing that benefit is worth the benefit you derive from the association. Be fully aware that when the benefit to her stops, the relationship will stop. Have no illusions. This is true in the UK, France, America, Thailand, and everywhere else. So, if you spend every dime in your retirement fund to build her and/or her mother a house (in her name of course), do not expect that the association will continue. You must say no early and often so you preserve your ability to provide a continuing benefit. If you drain all your resources, then you get what you should expect (see corollary 1).

Keep control of your money, only you will be responsible with it, because you had to earn it. After my first divorce I commiserated with a female secretary that was at least two decades older than me, and who was herself divorced. When I told her that I had let my wife run the family finances (common in 80% of married couples in the USA), and that she had run us deep into debt, she told me, “Any man that turns over his paycheck to a woman is a fool.” I would add that giving any woman every penny you have in the world is just asking her to kick you to the curb and walk away from you.

Deriving mutual benefits from a relationship is not a bad thing. Where Brokenman and the rest of us men lose the plot is when we expect past benefit provided to the woman to continue generating current or future association (see corollary 1). Loyalty, honor, gratitude, and duty are male values that we men project on women, but which very few, to no, women actually possess. We aren’t born with these values; they are drummed into us from the cradle on by society/culture, our families, and most definitely by the women in our lives (sorry, but that includes you too, Mom). Women get different indoctrination, so they have different values; mostly, for a woman, whatever is good for her and her (biological) children is what is best, full stop. So, do not expect that the woman in your life will be grateful, and sacrifice for you, when you can no longer provide for her and hers. And make no mistake, you have never been, and never will be, part of what is hers. What are hers will be first herself, then her (biological) children, then her parents, then her siblings, and then the rest of her blood relatives. The biological imperative has always been to extend her blood line. It stops there, and it always will. This is true everywhere in the world. Get over it.

Men love women, but I truly believe that women are incapable of what we men call love. “Greater love hath no man than that he lay down his life for his friends.” How many women are willing to die for their husbands, friends, country, or comrades in arms? Damn few, if any. Yet it is commonly expected of men (made compulsory under certain circumstances). How many men continue on in their marriages, supporting their family and their wife, while the wife is making their life a living hell? Far too many. How many men choose their wives over their parents and siblings? Most. Women do not behave like this. Men take out large insurance policies so their wives and children will be well taken care of should they die. Even if the wife is making (nearly) as much money as the husband, she will not have insurance. She sees no reason to reduce her current ability to spend to take care of others after she is dead. She could care less what happens to the husband, and doesn’t want the husband to be able to spend money on some young bimbo, after she dies. The life insurance gender statistics are well known, and widely available. None of this should be a shocking revelation. When my second wife died, her mandatory insurance (free) provided by her teacher’s union covered her funeral expenses. It would have made life much easier if her insurance had paid the over $350,000 my life insurance would have paid.

When does the expectation of mutual benefit in marriage go seriously wrong in the west? It goes wrong as soon as the “I Dos” are said, or very shortly thereafter. Why is this so? Because you, the man have just entered into a contract with the state where you have promised that you will provide everything to your bride, and where the bride has promised nothing. By the way, the full weight of the law and public opinion will support her stripping you of every thing you have, including your children, and most of what you will ever make in the future, when (not if) she decides to dump you. Hence, once you enter into the contract you have nothing left to offer her. Everything you have, or will have, is already hers. Seem like a harsh statement? I thought so too, the first time I heard it, during an argument with my first wife towards the end of our marriage. She asked me the eternal female question, “What do you do for me?” (i.e. what benefit do I get from associating with you?) I responded, “I pay all your expenses. I feed, clothe, and house you. And, I am paying for your college tuition.” She told me that all the money I earned was her money and that if she let me have any of it that was pure charity on her part, so I was doing nothing for her. I thought this was unduly harsh. The divorce courts showed me that it was pretty much just a statement of fact. The wife has it all, and can make her part of the marriage contract, the portion where she is to provide you with companionship, comfort, loyalty, sex, etc., null and void at any time while keeping everything you have/had/will ever have. She has no need to associate with you further once you are married (see corollary 2). (What is the difference between regular Barbie doll and divorced Barbie doll? Divorced Barbie comes with her stuff and all of Ken’s stuff too.) This seems a totally destructive state of affairs. Recently many in the western nations have been up in arms over a law passed in, I believe, Saudi Arabia that said if a married woman refuses her husband sex, then he can refuse to feed her. All are screaming it is Islamic misogyny. Seems to me, it is an equal degree of enforcement for both sides of a contract.

Presenting Briffault’s Law is a duty I felt I owed to the readership, as a public service. We all need to take off the blinders. You will get from women exactly what you should expect; if you keep Briffault’s Law (and my corollaries) in mind. Knowing this earlier in life would have saved me a lot of pain. I hope it helps some of you out there keep a hand on the reins. All of us, men and women, will be happier if men take charge of their relationships and their finances.[/QUOTE]

Thought provoking for sure. I have pretty much come to that conclusion as well. Though I grew up in thoroughly modern world and live in post-modern world, the realities of either era only change the final outcome slightly.

The task of finding a suitable woman for LTR became INSTANTLY harder once women were forced, due to economics into the labor market starting in the early 70's.

What was common until that point was a single family income stream provided by men. When the United States started trending towards "Cowboy Capitalism" and not the Western European model of Social Democracy things started to fall apart.

The social/cultural problems he mentioned in the UK are similar in Germany.

But we know what happen in the past, the issue is how to correct this problem in the future.

All you have to do is look at your own family for examples of what NOT to do. He mentioned 80% of family finances in America are controlled by women. My mother is 100% responsible for our financial situation and who stands to benefit the most - Her

My father died in 2006 and my mother was beside herself when us (me and my sister) got sizable payouts from my father's life insurance policy as part of his benefits package from PG&E. She largely got NOTHING...

The reason for moving (6 times since I turned 12) was always to upgrade our situation and it was mostly my mother who demanded this. I (and my stepfather) saw no problems with most of the places we lived previously.

While you can take all this information and become cynical, I think the cloud has a silver lining you only have to find it. That would be finding a woman that is accepting of your benefit to her with lasting impact.

In years gone by a woman would be with a "dirty" farmer because that has the lasting benefit of food and shelter. What we men need to find is a 21st Century model that provides those same iron clad benefits, to turn the tables back in our favor.

What that guy failed to mention is that some women see benefit in physical contact and companionship. That would mean eliminate those that see benefit in material items. These are the women that tend to divorce or stray when there's a lost of intimacy.

Obviously I don't think most of us fall into that last bit. Every so often and yes often times its the average/girl next door types that fall into the category of not being driven by material items or wealth.

There are gems to be found however, it just takes much time and much work.

Just how serious are you about it?

[QUOTE=Warbucks][url]http://www.stickmanweekly.com/ReadersSubmissions2009/reader5546.htm[/url]

Presenting Briffault’s Law is a duty I felt I owed to the readership, as a public service. We all need to take off the blinders. You will get from women exactly what you should expect; if you keep Briffault’s Law (and my corollaries) in mind. Knowing this earlier in life would have saved me a lot of pain. I hope it helps some of you out there keep a hand on the reins. All of us, men and women, will be happier if men take charge of their relationships and their finances.[/QUOTE]
This was enlightening and fascinating. Thanks for the post. I am pasting it into an email to a couple of guys I know right now. I should print it out and keep it handy. "Break glass and re-read when pussywhipped".

This has been an interesting past week. It appears that Tiger Woods has quite a stroke on and off the green. At the time of this writing he was at the fourth hole and possibly advancing to the fifth. I hope married mongers out there are taking note. Tiger’s situation may be a great case study in what not to do if you’re a mongering husband.

If you’re a billionaire you should know who you’re fucking. Tiger obviously didn’t know that the ugly cocktail waitress, Jamiee Grubbs, is a thief with aspirations for fame and greatness. She appeared on the show Tool Academy and obviously graduated with full honors. Guys like screwing the ugly chicks because they’re easy but they’re also the first ones to tell everyone that you screwed them. [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/12/03/crimesider/entry5882045.shtml[/url]

Tiger made some serious errors like leaving voicemail and texting sexy messages. In addition to that his wife had access to his phone. One would think that he keep his contacts list password protected but apparently not. Circumstances led to suspicions that Tiger’s crazed wife delivered a vicious beating to his face with a golf club. In an attempt to flee he ran barefoot into his SUV only to crash into a fire hydrant and tree. His wife captured him and placed him back under house arrest. Of course, she refused to allow police to see Tiger’s battered face on two occasions when they visited the house because he was “sleeping.” Now, I wonder if it had been the wife attempting to flee and Tiger the one doing the “rescue” if police would have went away on two occasions without actually seeing her. Tiger may have joined the silent ranks of battered husbands in America. Unlike Rihanna, Tiger isn’t talking and he even took a traffic fine to protect his woman. I wonder what Oprah has to say about that?

Now had Eldridge mongered anonymously, none of this collateral damage would have occurred. So essentially he made the two fundamental mistakes that unenlightened American men make. #1 he forgot that paying for it is way less expensive and #2 he fucked American women.

So to review: Only fuck prostitutes, and only fuck non-American prostitutes.

I mean, you could fuck non-American non-prostitutes, but they will just turn into prostitutes the minute they ask for help with their bills.

Or you could be like Eldridge and fuck an American non-prostitute and watch her turn into a prostitute.

This Cablinasian can't keep his dick in his pants. The only intelligent thing Tiger Woods did was get a pre-nup, which he's now changing to further enrich his **** wife.

Men should get married after they've gotten bored fucking every hot piece of Thai/Brazilian/Czech/Colombian/American ass in existence. It's obvious that Tiger, the "billionaire," never got close. He fucks opportunistic cocktail waitresses and marries his friend's nanny, WTF!!!

Oh well, this Tiger isn't going to change his stripes anytime soon. He might as well divorce his **** wife, spend the next 10 years fucking "hood rats," so that he can begin to move on towards a relationship with someone who's more on par with his superstar status.

-Helpmann :)

[QUOTE=Helpmann]He fucks opportunistic cocktail waitresses and marries his friend's nanny, WTF!!!

-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]


I said the same thing. The "nanny" is very average at best. Rich people should not marry hired help. They know too much.

What really disgusts me is that tiger wants to pay $5 mil for his wife to stay with him. Fuck the endorsements the secret is out of the bag. No sense pretending it's not.

You cheat you pay big time is what the media is portraying. All the ugliness is acceptable. Paying for your mistakes in hard cash is the norm.

It just shows you that even celebrities have loser sex lifes here in america.

I don't envy the guy one bit.

[QUOTE=Helpmann]This Cablinasian can't keep his dick in his pants. The only intelligent thing Tiger Woods did was get a pre-nup, which he's now changing to further enrich his **** wife.

Men should get married after they've gotten bored fucking every hot piece of Thai/Brazilian/Czech/Colombian/American ass in existence. It's obvious that Tiger, the "billionaire," never got close. He fucks opportunistic cocktail waitresses and marries his friend's nanny, WTF!!!

Oh well, this Tiger isn't going to change his stripes anytime soon. He might as well divorce his **** wife, spend the next 10 years fucking "hood rats," so that he can begin to move on towards a relationship with someone who's more on par with his superstar status.

-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]
American men tend to marry and fuck women of lesser status. This may just be a reflection of a society where pussy is thought to be worth it's weight in gold and the man always pays. Even before the "revamping" of the pre-nup Elin's pussy was pegged at a value of 300 million dollars. Ounce for ounce her pussy far exceeds the value of gold even in this economy.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]American men tend to marry and fuck women of lesser status. This may just be a reflection of a society where pussy is thought to be worth it's weight in gold and the man always pays. Even before the "revamping" of the pre-nup Elin's pussy was pegged at a value of 300 million dollars. Ounce for ounce her pussy far exceeds the value of gold even in this economy.[/QUOTE]

CM, you are absolutely correct that men tend to marry down. I disagree that it is due to overpriced pussy. It is the flipside of women only marrying up! Clearly, when a woman marries up, her husband is marrying down, BY DEFINITION.

It may be that women feel their pussies are too valuable to marry down or even level. (The Bible says something about being evenly yoked.) I think it is due more to societal convention that men financially support women, not the other way around. It is the feminist movement combining with this traditional convention that leads American women to believe they can have anything inthe world they can possible imagine (to quote Mick Jagger).

That's a very good and accurate observation with that law... I just separated for the second time and in BOTH cases it was absolutely true. Women are not the ones who are there for you when you are down. Your FRIENDS are. I was just having that conversation with the lead singer in one of my bands yesterday over lunch.

For us as musicians with such a high profile we get a fair amount of pussy just because the stage makes us look better than we really are. We have to keep reminding each other that human nature hasn't changed... these women are just thinking we're better catches than we really are :P of course, no sense not taking advantage of it....

Let's see, a $300 million pussy. I just came from my local privado where I had a "Paraguayan Sandwich" for 170 pesos for two pussies, two mouths, and two bung holes had I been so inclined. For $300 million I could do this 6,705,882 times which is over 40 million holes or to put it in more understandable terms, the equivalent of 2,235,294 golf courses. However it is true that Paraguayas require more strokes per hole.

And I didn't have to sign anything, and they have no idea what my last name is or where I live. Plus my hookers are better looking than his hookers. I don't have a black Amex, though.

[QUOTE=Helpmann]This Cablinasian can't keep his dick in his pants. The only intelligent thing Tiger Woods did was get a pre-nup, which he's now changing to further enrich his **** wife.

Men should get married after they've gotten bored fucking every hot piece of Thai/Brazilian/Czech/Colombian/American ass in existence. It's obvious that Tiger, the "billionaire," never got close. He fucks opportunistic cocktail waitresses and marries his friend's nanny, WTF!!!

Oh well, this Tiger isn't going to change his stripes anytime soon. He might as well divorce his **** wife, spend the next 10 years fucking "hood rats," so that he can begin to move on towards a relationship with someone who's more on par with his superstar status.

-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]

I don't understand either, you marry a part-time model with an identical twin, your one of the richest people on the planet and you fuck with skanky hoes like that?

None of those h**kers look better than Mrs. Woods, why is it men always cheat on their wives with ugly ass women? I don't get it!

[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I said the same thing. The "nanny" is very average at best. Rich people should not marry hired help. They know too much.

What really disgusts me is that tiger wants to pay $5 mil for his wife to stay with him. Fuck the endorsements the secret is out of the bag. No sense pretending it's not.

You cheat you pay big time is what the media is portraying. All the ugliness is acceptable. Paying for your mistakes in hard cash is the norm.

It just shows you that even celebrities have loser sex lifes here in america.

I don't envy the guy one bit.[/QUOTE]

Elin is average at best? Holy Cow what are you standards because mine seem to be MUCH LOWER than yours. After two kids she's still SKINNY which is more than I can say for most women and she's not a native American...

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I don't understand either, you marry a part-time model with an identical twin, your one of the richest people on the planet and you fuck with skanky hoes like that?

None of those h**kers look better than Mrs. Woods, why is it men always cheat on their wives with ugly ass women? I don't get it![/QUOTE]
There could be any number of reasons why. Swedish women are known to be emotionally distant and suffer from high rates of depression. It could be a lack of passion. Elin turned down Tiger on his first request for a date so it was hardly love at first sight. Maybe she is a starfish.

Then you have to look at the fact that men are biologically wired to search for strange pussy. Ever notice that rush of excitement you get when you start dating someone new? Some guys need that high more than others and they're not going to find it by screwing the same woman for the rest of their lives. Tiger's dad raised him to be a highly competitive alpha male on the golf course. It is not surprising that this alpha male behavior carries into his life off the green. He probably gets a high from scoring new pussy that is similar to the high he experiences from winning a golf tournament.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Elin is average at best? Holy Cow what are you standards because mine seem to be MUCH LOWER than yours. After two kids she's still SKINNY which is more than I can say for most women and she's not a native American...[/QUOTE]


IMHO she is an average white girl...pretty but nothing special. I am biased though. I like ethnic women indian,arab,persian,latin.

The only american women that do anything for me are southern trailer girls. There is something extremely sexy about them.

At this point "looks" only don't do it for me. I need "sex appeal" to me that includes personality mannerisms and actions.

It seems complicated but it's not.

Well if his dad was military and his mom was Thai and a second wife, I think we can all do that math. Ha ha. But I know what Art means. Trailer trash sluts turn me on too. Especially if they are drunk. High on meth not so much cuz that shit rots your teeth. I have a really slutty Uruguayan chica now who likes to have her salad tossed. I'll pass her on to Art when I leave for Spain next month. She'd be right at home in a single-wide in Pascagoula. She looked kinda slutty before but now she dyed her hair blond and looks way slutty, almost Wal-Mart slutty. Dresses real slutty, talks real slutty. A couple slutty tattoos. Good teeth though. Never get involved with a woman with bad teeth, and never bet on a horse with bad teeth.

She looks a little bit like that actress who played the slutty "Jen" on Dawson's Creek.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]Well if his dad was military and his mom was Thai and a second wife, I think we can all do that math. Ha ha. But I know what Art means. Trailer trash sluts turn me on too. Especially if they are drunk. High on meth not so much cuz that shit rots your teeth. I have a really slutty Uruguayan chica now who likes to have her salad tossed. I'll pass her on to Art when I leave for Spain next month. She'd be right at home in a single-wide in Pascagoula. She looked kinda slutty before but now she dyed her hair blond and looks way slutty, almost Wal-Mart slutty. Dresses real slutty, talks real slutty. A couple slutty tattoos. Good teeth though. Never get involved with a woman with bad teeth, and never bet on a horse with bad teeth.

She looks a little bit like that actress who played the slutty "Jen" on Dawson's Creek.[/QUOTE]

Hopefully I will be in BA later next year. I always say " one man's trash is another man's treasure ". Throw it my way.

I love it when trailer trash sluts with thick thighs wear cut off sweat pants.

Also worth noting is that they are semi approachable.

Bourbon st. in New Orleans is where I fell in love with them.

Dis one ain't got the thunder thighs. Skinny Minnie. Not like Olive Oyl but if she stood with her feet together you could put your forearm between her thighs without ever touching them. Gap city. I think with the trailer trash the pellagra makes them bow legged which is generally good.

Q: What is the best thing about living in a trailer park with a toothless meth-addicted hag?
A: All her teeth have fallen out so she can still blow you after you break her jaw and she has to have it wired shut.

I had a professor once who said that trailer parks were why God created tornadoes. He did get in some trouble for that remark given where the college was located.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]There could be any number of reasons why. Swedish women are known to be emotionally distant and suffer from high rates of depression. It could be a lack of passion. Elin turned down Tiger on his first request for a date so it was hardly love at first sight. Maybe she is a starfish.

Then you have to look at the fact that men are biologically wired to search for strange pussy. Ever notice that rush of excitement you get when you start dating someone new? Some guys need that high more than others and they're not going to find it by screwing the same woman for the rest of their lives. Tiger's dad raised him to be a highly competitive alpha male on the golf course. It is not surprising that this alpha male behavior carries into his life off the green. He probably gets a high from scoring new pussy that is similar to the high he experiences from winning a golf tournament.[/QUOTE]

I was listening to the latest show from Black Men Venting and they touched on this lack of passion subject and it seems very possible. They use the "I want you to wear a Chicken Suit while I fuck you" analogy, in which she replied "Hell No". Then used the Damming of a river as the block of sexual desire. When a river crest the dam (seeking fulfillment from others) , its trouble for the town below (his marriage).

Which is the core of Modern Prostitution as well; getting sexual favors your unable to get from "Normal" women.

So THAT I can understand...

[QUOTE=Artisttyp]IMHO she is an average white girl...pretty but nothing special. I am biased though. I like ethnic women indian,arab,persian,latin.

The only american women that do anything for me are southern trailer girls. There is something extremely sexy about them.

At this point "looks" only don't do it for me. I need "sex appeal" to me that includes personality mannerisms and actions.

It seems complicated but it's not.[/QUOTE]

Naw I understand your point but like I said, my standards must not be high enough. Because among me and my mortal friends she would be a Trophy Wife among us. None of the porn stars listed are better looking and that one cocktail waitress from Orlando is just horrid. Jamie Grubb is more than decent looking, IMHO.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Hopefully I will be in BA later next year. I always say " one man's trash is another man's treasure ". Throw it my way.

I love it when trailer trash sluts with thick thighs wear cut off sweat pants.

Also worth noting is that they are semi approachable.

Bourbon st. in New Orleans is where I fell in love with them.[/QUOTE]


BA is mostly european looking caucasians, no? Ethnic women you would be better going to just about any other country in South America.

Also, Elin is hot!

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So Tiger Woods main squeeze Rachel Uchitel seemed intent in yesterdays New York Post in letting the world know she's not a prostitute, madam, homewrecker, husband stealer etc. Ok... Maybe if she returns the seven figure payoff she got that statement would not be so ridiculous. Also what did he do with that raunchy looking Florida waitress, make her jump through a hoop and bark?

[QUOTE=Mike12]So Tiger Woods main squeeze Rachel Uchitel seemed intent in yesterdays New York Post in letting the world know she's not a prostitute, madam, homewrecker, husband stealer etc. Ok... Maybe if she returns the seven figure payoff she got that statement would not be so ridiculous. Also what did he do with that raunchy looking Florida waitress, make her jump through a hoop and bark?[/QUOTE]
She claimed that he rode her raw and pulled her hair. :D

[QUOTE=Mike12]So Tiger Woods main squeeze Rachel Uchitel seemed intent in yesterdays New York Post in letting the world know she's not a prostitute, madam, homewrecker, husband stealer etc. Ok... Maybe if she returns the seven figure payoff she got that statement would not be so ridiculous. Also what did he do with that raunchy looking Florida waitress, make her jump through a hoop and bark?[/QUOTE]

LOL at the last comment... Another Tramp was on Extra and said "I didn't know he was married" Ummm-kay That's BULLSHIT ***** and you know it! The media doesn't spend its time talking about Elin but look for any picture of Tiger and you'll find a picture of her with him in most of them.

Uchitel's mom is already loaded, Rachel is a socialite like her mother was before she met her 2nd husband. Wikipedia is a bunch of wussies they took her page down.

She is a prostitute, duh. She is a home wrecker, she know Tiger was married.

Anything else she think she's not?

I know in my heart I am old and will one day need to stop fucking hot Latinas and rely on a good AW to take care of me in the Yew Ess. If I fall ill I know I will have something like this to look forward to:

[url]http://www.postchronicle.com/news/strange/article_212272456.shtml[/url]

[QUOTE=Dickhead]I know in my heart I am old and will one day need to stop fucking hot Latinas and rely on a good AW to take care of me in the Yew Ess. If I fall ill I know I will have something like this to look forward to:

[url]http://www.postchronicle.com/news/strange/article_212272456.shtml[/url][/QUOTE]
Dickhead,

You can always consider it penance for a life of debauchery. Most AW would consider slapping you in the face with a porterhouse as a fitting reward for a life spent indulging in the carnal delights of the flesh.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]American men tend to marry and fuck women of lesser status. This may just be a reflection of a society where pussy is thought to be worth it's weight in gold and the man always pays. Even before the "revamping" of the pre-nup Elin's pussy was pegged at a value of 300 million dollars. Ounce for ounce her pussy far exceeds the value of gold even in this economy.[/QUOTE]A lot of people would consider pro athletes high status so it's no wonder if Tiger married a woman of lesser status. Don't think her nanny job was anything but temporary whilst waiting for something better to do. Her mom was a minister in the Swedish goverment and her twin sister(married to an banker in London) works as an attorney so she's hardly trailer trash. She was destined for a very comfortable life, one way or another.

Tiger liked his American women mature. Most of them were close to or at their expiration dates. It would be interesting to see the suckers who marry these budding cougars.
[url]http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/10505132/Gold-diggers-like-these-set-women-back[/url]

Debauchery is a harsh word. I was merely in an experimentation phase that lasted a hell of a long time.

I think the moral of the story really is, "Always buy boneless beef" and "Never waste money on gringa carne."

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Tiger liked his American women mature. Most of them were close to or at their expiration dates. It would be interesting to see the suckers who marry these budding cougars.
[url]http://msn.foxsports.com/golf/story/10505132/Gold-diggers-like-these-set-women-back[/url][/QUOTE]


I just got an email 5 minutes ago with the women he had affairs with and they were all unbelievably gorgeous. 8 or so women.... maybe he had affairs with 50 and only 8 were really hot I dont know.

[QUOTE=ararat]A lot of people would consider pro athletes high status so it's no wonder if Tiger married a woman of lesser status. Don't think her nanny job was anything but temporary whilst waiting for something better to do. Her mom was a minister in the Swedish goverment and her twin sister(married to an banker in London) works as an attorney so she's hardly trailer trash. She was destined for a very comfortable life, one way or another.[/QUOTE]

Indeed, she was going to be successful in her personally life without Tiger anyway, she modeled after-all.

NBA players end up the women they hooked up with in College. If your Kobe you plucked Vanessa out of High School! At the time she was a part-time model and in a few music videos, Vanessa Byrant is FAR from ugly and very attractive Latina.

Same with NFL players usually, they are not hooking up with groupies per say. Steve McNair was retired, 80% of NFL players marriages end in divorce within the first 3 years of retirement.

Athletes are slightly different as they tend to date higher end women than say some 6 digit lawyer ends up with. Playmates seem to have this thing for either Athletes or Musicians, you can count on one hand how many Playmates in the last 20 years have married "normal" guys, it just doesn't happen.

Its funny all these tramps lining up to get paid. I say you don't get a dime, spill your guts if you want, what's the worst that could happen? Its already been damming, he might loose his wife, somebody suggested he should grow a goatee, divorce Elin, date a bunch of hot women and become the "Bad Boy" of Golf.

If he wanted to change his image, that's not a bad idea actually...

Forget Tiger, he just made the mistake of thinking because he's a famous person he could get away with freebies. The problem with being famous and banging freebies is they are looking to get PAID because you got money. If any of these women take money, Tom Leykis and Adam Carrolla should be calling these women what they are - HOES

[QUOTE=ararat]A lot of people would consider pro athletes high status so it's no wonder if Tiger married a woman of lesser status. Don't think her nanny job was anything but temporary whilst waiting for something better to do. Her mom was a minister in the Swedish goverment and her twin sister(married to an banker in London) works as an attorney so she's hardly trailer trash. She was destined for a very comfortable life, one way or another.[/QUOTE]Because she's married to the most popular athlete on the planet and the first pro-athlete to earn a billion dollars in career tournament winnings and endorsements, relatively speaking, Elin is trailer-trash.

Elin was a nobody. She was a part-time nanny, part-time "model," and a full-time gold digger. Yes, Tiger could have married a "Beyonce" or a "Rihanna" and still been labeled as a man who married down in wealth, but he chose Elin.

Yes, Elin could have had her pick of lawyers, doctors, and bankers, but internationally famous multi-millionaires and billionaires was a bit out of her league. Luckily, Tiger prefers cocktail waitresses, porn actresses, and trailer trash. Regardless, she's the mother of his kids, so Tiger's stuck with Elin for a lot longer than he would have hoped.

-Helpmann :)

Depends on your definition of trailer trash. I live in the middle of trailer trash Southern U.S.A. Elin is NOT trailer trash. FWIW...Her parents are considered a part of the political/governing elite in Sweden. Her mother is a prominent politician in Sweden and now Governor of a Provincial municipality in Sweden. Her father is a prominent Swedish Journalist. So trailer trash in the true American sense, I think NOT. Tiger could have married almost anyone he so desired. Makes me wonder why he did not consider screwing escorts instead.

I remember while in college many ions ago, quite a few gals who had degrees, and graduated, and were not able to secure jobs, worked as au pairs(nanny's).

[QUOTE=Helpmann]Because she's married to the most popular athlete on the planet and the first pro-athlete to earn a billion dollars in career tournament winnings and endorsements, relatively speaking, Elin is trailer-trash.

Elin was a nobody. She was a part-time nanny, part-time "model," and a full-time gold digger. Yes, Tiger could have married a "Beyonce" or a "Rihanna" and still been labeled as a man who married down in wealth, but he chose Elin.

Yes, Elin could have had her pick of lawyers, doctors, and bankers, but internationally famous multi-millionaires and billionaires was a bit out of her league. Luckily, Tiger prefers cocktail waitresses, porn actresses, and trailer trash. Regardless, she's the mother of his kids, so Tiger's stuck with Elin for a lot longer than he would have hoped.

-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ararat]A lot of people would consider pro athletes high status so it's no wonder if Tiger married a woman of lesser status. Don't think her nanny job was anything but temporary whilst waiting for something better to do.[/QUOTE]

I think ol' Tiger married big game, in the eyes of most Americans: a pretty, blonde Swede. Blondes are totally worshipped here: that's why so many women bleach their hair. And to bag a Swede is a common fantasy. (Not to mention the higher probability of getting a "natural" blonde.)

I don't read much from her being a nanny. A lot of European girls (though not rocket scientists) come over here to see the US, and it's a pretty easy gig: not too hard, get the use of a car, it's usually a pretty wealthy family, etc.

The bottom line is Tiger married the first women who "Rocked his World". Men don't marry women because of status. Men marry women who "FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF THEM" bottom line.

His father was still alive and influenced much of how tiger lived. I'm sure hadn't been with very many women up to that point. He father kept him focused on golf.

So when she rocked him those nights he thought he'd never find a girl who could make him feel like that. Only he didn't have the experience to know how average she really was.

Men and women have different standards when it comes to dating.

A lot of successful men if they see's a "sure 10, knockout gorgeous girl" working as a fry cook at McDonalds. He would fuck her given the chance. But how many successful women would fuck the "handsome, knockout" fry cook guy at McDonalds. Not nearly as many.

Its usually only men who are born of money. Had wealthy parents who lived at a certain status that will have a standard of marrying only another wealthy person. Mostly because thats the circles which they socialize. Even then more often than not, A guy will marry below his economic status if that right girl gets a hold of him. "Rocks that suckers world"

I knew there was a reason hash browns were healthier than grits:

[url]http://www.denverpost.com/watercooler/ci_13969606[/url]

[QUOTE=Dickhead]I knew there was a reason hash browns were healthier than grits:

[url]http://www.denverpost.com/watercooler/ci_13969606[/url][/QUOTE]
Dickhead, the hot grits treatment is very common for out of pocket American men in the Southern States. It's good to see that you're keeping abreast of what awaits you in your golden years when you return to the US. At least you wouldn't starve. Your AW will make sure that you have a generous helping of hot grits for breakfast and a porterhouse served extra rare for dinner.

Here in Colombia the cute guy working at Mickey D's would have hot girls all over him.... including ones with money....

Just went on a date with a Match.com girl who's a native of Taiwan.

Throughout the date, I heard how her tuition at USC ran $50,000 a year, how she leases a BMW, how her dentistry practice rakes in $1.2 million a year. Me, I make a good living now -- not a million a year by any means -- but I came from modest roots.

I think she was sizing me up for father potential.

I was sizing up her hooters and considering her for sport fucking, but it looks like to get into her pants I'd have to enter world trade negotiations.

Shame to see a tasty box go to waste.

I feel sorry for the poor sap that marries this one. I have no doubt, she'll have a whole bunch of dumb asses itching to marry her.

[QUOTE=Vaquero]Just went on a date with a Match.com girl who's a native of Taiwan.

Throughout the date, I heard how her tuition at USC ran $50,000 a year, how she leases a BMW, how her dentistry practice rakes in $1.2 million a year. Me, I make a good living now -- not a million a year by any means -- but I came from modest roots.

I think she was sizing me up for father potential.

I was sizing up her hooters and considering her for sport fucking, but it looks like to get into her pants I'd have to enter world trade negotiations.

Shame to see a tasty box go to waste.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vaquero]Just went on a date with a Match.com girl who's a native of Taiwan.

Throughout the date, I heard how her tuition at USC ran $50,000 a year, how she leases a BMW, how her dentistry practice rakes in $1.2 million a year. Me, I make a good living now -- not a million a year by any means -- but I came from modest roots.

I think she was sizing me up for father potential.

I was sizing up her hooters and considering her for sport fucking, but it looks like to get into her pants I'd have to enter world trade negotiations.

Shame to see a tasty box go to waste.[/QUOTE]

Interesting, while your sizing her up for a bang, I don't think you'll need the WTO or the IMF to help you, you just have to position yourself as "your worth the bother".

If there's a date #2, you're well on your way....

[QUOTE=Vaquero]Just went on a date with a Match.com girl who's a native of Taiwan.

Throughout the date, I heard how her tuition at USC ran $50,000 a year, how she leases a BMW, how her dentistry practice rakes in $1.2 million a year. Me, I make a good living now -- not a million a year by any means -- but I came from modest roots.

I think she was sizing me up for father potential.

I was sizing up her hooters and considering her for sport fucking, but it looks like to get into her pants I'd have to enter world trade negotiations.

Shame to see a tasty box go to waste.[/QUOTE]
If she is making bank and has to get her dates from Match.com there is a good possibility that something is wrong. She might be a psycho.

I was out of touch while most of this Tiger Woods story was unfolding, so forgive me if I have missed something. But at one point, in addition to being liable for a vast pre-nup settlement, Tiger was offering Elin $5 million per year just to stick around!

Well, I like lots about Tiger Woods, and his screwing around doesn't change that at all (come on, the guy's a rock star - what did she think he was doing on lonely Tuesday nights in faceless country club suburbs?). But throwing good money after bad is just stupid. He should be suing her, after charging her for battery.

I mean, two weeks ago he was on top of the world, now he is talk-show fodder and losing millions of dollars a day as gutless sponsors cut him loose. He has been screwing around for years and getting away with it because he could manage the media and gossip in his tightly controlled world. Then she goes ballistic and his stock starts plummeting. He should divorce her and sue to get her settlement cut based on his market devaluation she caused.

And why does the media go around calling all these women "mistresses"?
Being a mistress implies being supported on an on-going basis.
No one has a dozen mistresses, except maybe a Russian oligarch.
These women were fuck-bunnies. Some short-term and some slightly longer, but there is not much evidence here of semi-permanent or supported status.

Personally, I hope the list grows to at least a full 18 holes.
Then Tiger should make a drive for 36. Just do it.

for 36 holes you only need 12 hoes, not 18. check it out. 9 if you pound the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] hole.

now if he pays her $5 million per year to stick around, and she takes it, den dat make her a ho too.

i don't support any women but they sure are coming out of the woodwork now that christmas is almost here. between today and yesterday three i haven't seen in at least a month called or texted just to "see how i was doing."

merry christmas. ho. ho. ho.

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I say we all pitch in and buy this guy a plane ticket for Xmas....only 18 years old...not even out of college yet and he chooses [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord139][CodeWord139][/url] over AW's.

At least go for a cat !

[QUOTE=One Eyed Man]I think ol' Tiger married big game, in the eyes of most Americans: a pretty, blonde Swede. Blondes are totally worshipped here: that's why so many women bleach their hair. And to bag a Swede is a common fantasy. (Not to mention the higher probability of getting a "natural" blonde.)

I don't read much from her being a nanny. A lot of European girls (though not rocket scientists) come over here to see the US, and it's a pretty easy gig: not too hard, get the use of a car, it's usually a pretty wealthy family, etc.[/QUOTE]

Most folks seem to have missed out on some of Elin Nordegren's greatest selling points:

In addition to being an absolutely gorgeous blonde Swede swimsuit model, she brought the following to the table:

Familiarity with the world of pro golf, as Jesper Parnevik's kids' nanny

As a long-term professional Nanny, she was obviously good with kids.

As perfect an image for a spouse as Tiger could ever have hoped to present to the corporate world.......

And, AN IDENTICAL TWIN SISTER. I gotta believe that some really super 3-somes were involved, with these two drop dead gorgeous blondes.

[url]http://www.observer.com/2009/culture/not-quite-madams[/url]

If you are out for a night on the town in NYC make sure you have at least $350 to spend; and a few buddies to hang with cause bottle service is what its all about now...

[QUOTE= Forget about importing a foreign wife. These women are only timid in their home countries because the men there have about ten lefts for every right that a woman has. When you visit there to monger you’re just piggybacking off of this system that the local men have in place. Once she gets to America and realizes that she has more rights and that you have neither rights nor lefts your ass will be in deep trouble.[/QUOTE]Very well put, CM. I agree 100 percent. A lot of the filipina girls that I know here in the states tell me stories of their friends and cousins who have initiated divorces with their American husbands. They're fully aware of the pending benefits post divorce.

Of course that would never happen back in their home country.

[QUOTE=Brad Dupree]Very well put, CM. I agree 100 percent. A lot of the filipina girls that I know here in the states tell me stories of their friends and cousins who have initiated divorces with their American husbands. They're fully aware of the pending benefits post divorce.

Of course that would never happen back in their home country.[/QUOTE]I am now in FSU. I have dates and phone numbers more than can handle. In the USA that would be unrealistic. Especially this kinda quality of girls.

I guess the key is not to bring them to the USA:)

[QUOTE=Brad Dupree]Very well put, CM. I agree 100 percent. A lot of the filipina girls that I know here in the states tell me stories of their friends and cousins who have initiated divorces with their American husbands. They're fully aware of the pending benefits post divorce.

Of course that would never happen back in their home country.[/QUOTE]




Like Eddie Murphy said in Raw- "Beyotch last week you was back in Africa ridin a zebra buck naked, now you a sophisticated American woman, want this, want that, got rights, etc."

[QUOTE=Dickhead]I know in my heart I am old and will one day need to stop fucking hot Latinas and rely on a good AW to take care of me in the Yew Ess. If I fall ill I know I will have something like this to look forward to:

[url]http://www.postchronicle.com/news/strange/article_212272456.shtml[/url][/QUOTE]doesn't it makes you proud to live in the same area where this shit is happening? I live in Ocala, and yes, this is a common ocurrence in these redneck houses.

[QUOTE=Mike12]Like Eddie Murphy said in Raw- "Beyotch last week you was back in Africa ridin a zebra buck naked, now you a sophisticated American woman, want this, want that, got rights, etc."[/QUOTE]

Yeah he knew what time it is... Women here will try their best to mess up your game. That's why its important to find an intelligent women. An intelligent woman would largely reject the way men are viewed my American Women in the media and the way most AW act, this includes a few AW as well.

Tiger dug his own grave. Sure Elin as it was put by Black Men Venting Radio, might have said NO to anal sex (for example) or even sex at all saying she was tired from caring for the children. I don't like the fact that some men are ready to attack Elin without grounds really. The suspicious nature of Tiger crashing his Caddy Truck should be looked at more closely and the reports of Elin chasing him with a golf club should also be investigated but I doubt that will happen now.

Look at Chris Henry's strange death, shouldn't his gf be up on manslaughter charges? If she was the victim, you can bet your bottom dollar he would be in custody in a flash on murder charges and domestic violence charges.

For Tiger if he had kept his dick in his pants and didn't think just because he's a rich guy with a squeaky clean imagine that the American Media won't try to knock him down a notch if given the opening...

He gave them the opening.

If he had kept it to ONE woman; this might have gotten out, hush money might be been exchanged and that would be the end of it. But the current count is what, 14-16? Elin is trying to file for divorce and it will cost him because he fathered two children with her.

If she isn't willing to work it out, then give her a one time payout of $55 million and one of the homes in America. She would go back to Sweden anyway, where her mother and sister could help care for the children.

Don't get me wrong but when the shoe is on the other foot, a woman has every right to call up your mistress and say "Stop Fucking My Husband" because all these women KNEW Tiger was married, that is complete nonsense that some of them didn't know. She has the right to chase him around the house with a golf club, he fucked up....

See, Tiger should have just mongered. Let's compare. Tiger is famous. He fucks 12 women in the last 6-7 years, his life is ruined, and it will cost a [b]minimum[/b] of $50 [b]million[/b]. I am pretty famous here now too but I fucked 500 and it cost me [b]maybe[/b] $50 [b]thousand[/b].

So I am (500/12) x (million/thousand) = approximately 40,000 times smarter than he is.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]See, Tiger should have just mongered. Let's compare. Tiger is famous. He fucks 12 women in the last 6-7 years, his life is ruined, and it will cost a [b]minimum[/b] of $50 [b]million[/b]. I am pretty famous here now too but I fucked 500 and it cost me [b]maybe[/b] $50 [b]thousand[/b].

So I am (500/12) x (million/thousand) = approximately 40,000 times smarter than he is.[/QUOTE]

Tiger is another Black Dumb A*s Guy. Good thing he admitted that he wasn't Black years ago after the Masters.

He has no P.I.M.P. game, just a lot of money regardless of divorce settlement.

[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]Tiger is another Black Dumb A*s Guy. Good thing he admitted that he wasn't Black years ago after the Masters.

He has no P.I.M.P. game, just a lot of money regardless of divorce settlement.[/QUOTE]

He is a dumb ass, that's for sure. He should have mongered, would have cost him much less. But as you know trying to convince a nation of men that women have steered them wrong and that its much like the old Fram filter commercials -
"You can pay me now or you can pay me later"

You're expected to pay for any first date. Why shouldn't you pay for pussy if that's what you want ultimately? Tiger already had Wife and Kids, he just wanted to fuck. Fine, we get it. But he instead and his handlers agreed that "I'm Fucking Tiger Woods, I can fuck anybody I want without paying for it"

I doubt he has any playa skillz, being constantly surrounded by people that have no idea how to do such things.

He also only denies being Half Black when its convenient. He embraces it in one of his many text messages.

[QUOTE=Brad Dupree]Very well put, CM. I agree 100 percent. A lot of the filipina girls that I know here in the states tell me stories of their friends and cousins who have initiated divorces with their American husbands. They're fully aware of the pending benefits post divorce.

Of course that would never happen back in their home country.[/QUOTE]
Brad Dupree:

A lot of American men visit foreign countries where the women appear docile and submissive. They think that this is the natural nature of these women. The truth is that the women behave this way for one reason, and one reason only, the local men are “b*tch slapping men” (BSM). The women are kept in line in this manner and by virtue of your being male they naturally show difference to you because they assume that you are a BSM too. Chinese men are BSM. They treat their women like cheap pieces of fuck meat. Women are considered to be worthless. Families value sons and daughters must go to work in sweatshops or sell their pussies to support the male siblings. Women will often sell their pussies during their youth to find enough money to support and marry their boyfriends. It is the natural order of things there and Chinese women accept it. The proof of this acceptance is the fact that Chinese women are largely endogamous. This system of community pussy provides a cheap and ready accessible supply of young pussy for local men.

In America things are different. Women have more value than men. Men are routinely sacrificed for the good of women. When a woman accuses a man of something the man is presumed to be guilty until proven otherwise. All the BSM in America are in jail. A woman can just accuse you of being a BSM and you can be arrested and barred from entering your residence until brought to trial. Such things would never happen to the men in those wonderful mongering countries where American men find paradise. So some of these men get to thinking, “Wouldn’t it be wonderful to bring one of those sweet submissive women to America where I can root her young hole and suck her fresh tits everyday?” Well, it’s a nice idea at first look except for the fact that human beings adapt to their environment. That sweet docile little piece of fuck meat will soon find out that BSM do not exist outside of the prisons in America and she will adapt. She will change like a carp that swims up the Yellow River to the Dragon Gate and leaps out of the water transforming into a dragon.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Brad Dupree:

A lot of American men visit foreign countries where the women appear docile and submissive. They think that this is the natural nature of these women. The truth is that the women behave this way for one reason, and one reason only, the local men are “b*tch slapping men” (BSM). The women are kept in line in this manner and by virtue of your being male they naturally show difference to you because they assume that you are a BSM too. Chinese men are BSM. They treat their women like cheap pieces of fuck meat. Women are considered to be worthless. Families value sons and daughters must go to work in sweatshops or sell their pussies to support the male siblings. Women will often sell their pussies during their youth to find enough money to support and marry their boyfriends. It is the natural order of things there and Chinese women accept it. The proof of this acceptance is the fact that Chinese women are largely endogamous. This system of community pussy provides a cheap and ready accessible supply of young pussy for local men.

In America things are different. Women have more value than men. Men are routinely sacrificed for the good of women. When a woman accuses a man of something the man is presumed to be guilty until proven otherwise. All the BSM in America are in jail. A woman can just accuse you of being a BSM and you can be arrested and barred from entering your residence until brought to trial. Such things would never happen to the men in those wonderful mongering countries where American men find paradise. So some of these men get to thinking, “Wouldn’t it be wonderful to bring one of those sweet submissive women to America where I can root her young hole and suck her fresh tits everyday?” Well, it’s a nice idea at first look except for the fact that human beings adapt to their environment. That sweet docile little piece of fuck meat will soon find out that BSM do not exist outside of the prisons in America and she will adapt. She will change like a carp that swims up the Yellow River to the Dragon Gate and leaps out of the water transforming into a dragon.[/QUOTE]

Too true CM, I just have this nagging disagreement about bringing them here though.

Like I said, I know women that staunchly disagree with America's wacky value system. What happens is, those women are few and far between inside America, most of them are married and the husbands are happier than a pig in slop...

There plenty of Europeans, South Americans and Asians that think our value system is downright nuts. They would never cow to it, they rather be ridiculed and run in their own cultural circles if they have too.

What needs to happen more often is have those that are happy presented to the doubters and skeptics in the room.

You can still bring your "prize" home, you need to make sure you bring the right one home and not end up with door #3 , the goat and a hay filled mattress...

Yes Four Money. However, one of the problems I noticed is the AW will most always attempt to convert the non AW.

Case in point, one of my buddy's AW girlfriend learned that my filipina gf cooked breakfast for me daily. After learning this she felt the need to tell my gf that she should NOT B. Can you believe this crap? This f'ing AW butting in to my business and trying to ruin our good thing.

It's tuff, the AW is always going to try to make the non AW join their team. Just have to hope the AWs influence will not be too appealing.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Too true CM, I just have this nagging disagreement about bringing them here though.

Like I said, I know women that staunchly disagree with America's wacky value system. What happens is, those women are few and far between inside America, most of them are married and the husbands are happier than a pig in slop.

There plenty of Europeans, South Americans and Asians that think our value system is downright nuts. They would never cow to it, they rather be ridiculed and run in their own cultural circles if they have too.

What needs to happen more often is have those that are happy presented to the doubters and skeptics in the room.

You can still bring your "prize" home, you need to make sure you bring the right one home and not end up with door #3, the goat and a hay filled mattress.[/QUOTE]

Fellas', help me out.

What / how would you define American Woman?

How would you define USA romantic / family / parenting culture?

I ask these questions 'cause I know there has to be a common thread or "Top 10" American Women traits and there has to also be a "Top 10" reality / truths about the USA culture of male-female relations.

(One time, a sucker who's wife divorced him for her high school sweetheart and took the two (2) children with her told me I was "non-competitive" in the USA-romantic arena. He was still concerned if her "love" was genuine or if she was faithful during their marriage, as if that's ever important.)

[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]Fellas', help me out.

What / how would you define American Woman?

How would you define USA romantic / family / parenting culture?

I ask these questions 'cause I know there has to be a common thread or "Top 10" American Women traits and there has to also be a "Top 10" reality / truths about the USA culture of male-female relations.

(One time, a sucker who's wife divorced him for her high school sweetheart and took the two (2) children with her told me I was "non-competitive" in the USA-romantic arena. He was still concerned if her "love" was genuine or if she was faithful during their marriage, as if that's ever important.)[/QUOTE]

The reality or the dream state?

What you just described is the hellish reality of relationships in America.

What lawyer is going to tell his client that she shouldn't try to take the kids even if that lawyer knows she is a terrible mother?

That is the sign of a broken man; a man that is still concerned genuine "love" and fidelity. Maybe he should be concerned if those children are even HIS!

Family Parenting Culture is symbolized by what is seen on TV. You have too many young women having children, coming from single parent households, many women have NO IDEA what parenting or family life is about, how could they know what they should do when confronted with problems in a relationship?

That's why I have been saying for years, that you should be concerned if a women has too many of her friends involved in your relationship with her. Other women, married or single often sabotage your relationship, intentionally or not.

Just being a normal honest guy with no bullshit is not rewarded. You are PUNISHED!

Therefore what choices do you have?

Mongering for some is the answer especially those advanced in age (50+).

For those of us still holding out hope its not too late to have a family, we have to venture beyond these shores. I can't plead enough with my fellow man. If your brown, black, white, yellow, it doesn't matter. You'll find even in your own culture you're seeing some of the same problems, this behavior is not unique to any race or culture.

Some of us really have no choice but to return to America.

You have basically three choices -

Live in Culturally Conservative "Fly Over Land", Liberal Coastal Cities or Culturally Challenged Deep South

All these places have their own problems but I would say you're better off in multi-culturally places like the Northeast or West Coast.

I'll keep saying it, its most important that you find a woman that rejects typical AW behavior, its easier than you think...

i would define american woman (aw) as a female born in the united states of america or canada. or a female immigrant to one of these two countries who has internalized the values systems and beliefs regarding men found in these nations. however, given the reach of american culture via the internet and television it is possible to find women who have never set foot on in canada or the usa who seek to emulate the behavior of aw.

some of the characteristics associated with american women are as follows:

1. she believes that men should pay for her meals, drinks and entertainment on social outings.

2. she believes that she can do anything that a man can do but she still expects men to come to her aid and assist her because of her gender.

3. she believes that female sexual access is worth more than male sexual access therefore men must provide her with something other than sexual satisfaction to receive her sexual favors.

4. she uses her sexuality to obtain things from men in whom she has no genuine sexual interest. she may flirt for drinks in a bar then refuse to give her phone number to the man who buys her drinks or give him a wrong number.

5. she likes to believe that she is independent but will seek peer approval from girlfriends in the club before deciding to fuck a particular man.

6. she thinks that a husband is really a slave who works and pays for all of her expenses including offspring. she does not believe that he has rights to the house and car he bought, or the offspring he sired and supports.

7. she believes that anything she does within the marriage is actually a favor and not an obligation to her husband.

8. she believes that if she divorces her husband he should get nothing and she should get everything. this includes custody of the children and family pets, child support and generous vaginamony.

9. she lets herself go immediately after marriage, gains weight and neglects her personal appearance.

10. after giving birth to a predetermined number of offspring she cuts off the sex.

11. she sees domestic violence laws as a way to gain advantage in divorce and child custody battles rather than laws to protect family members from abusing each other.

12. she expects men to approach her but she activates the ***** shield on all but the obviously rich. yet she will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and moan about not being able to find a “good man.”

13. she wants her men to be handsome, well hung and wealthy but if a man rejects her for being fat or homely she thinks he is shallow.

14. she has a list of special calendar dates on which she expects expensive gifts and pampering from the unlucky man in her life. if he forgets there will be hell to pay.

15. she considers any foreign woman marrying an american man to be gold digger and visa hunter.

16. she considers american men who marry foreign women losers.

17. she only dates men her own age or within a 3 year difference. when she reaches her fifties she calls herself an urban cougar, and dates men young enough to be her son even though during her youth she called men who did the same “dirty old men, creeps or perverts.”

18. she thinks it’s her job to teach foreign women the way things are when it comes to treating men in spite of her long record of being dumped multiple times and a few divorces.

19. world events are not her strong point. beyond the borders of english-speaking north america the world is a dangerous and poverty stricken shit hole.

20. she believes that women can physically assault men without legal consequences and they should not retaliate.

[quote=chocha monger]i would define american woman (aw) as a female born in the united states of america or canada. or a female immigrant to one of these two countries who has internalized the values systems and beliefs regarding men found in these nations. however, given the reach of american culture via the internet and television it is possible to find women who have never set foot on in canada or the usa who seek to emulate the behavior of aw.

some of the characteristics associated with american women are as follows:

1. she believes that men should pay for her meals, drinks and entertainment on social outings.

2. she believes that she can do anything that a man can do but she still expects men to come to her aid and assist her because of her gender.

3. she believes that female sexual access is worth more than male sexual access therefore men must provide her with something other than sexual satisfaction to receive her sexual favors.

4. she uses her sexuality to obtain things from men in whom she has no genuine sexual interest. she may flirt for drinks in a bar then refuse to give her phone number to the man who buys her drinks or give him a wrong number.

5. she likes to believe that she is independent but will seek peer approval from girlfriends in the club before deciding to fuck a particular man.

6. she thinks that a husband is really a slave who works and pays for all of her expenses including offspring. she does not believe that he has rights to the house and car he bought, or the offspring he sired and supports.

7. she believes that anything she does within the marriage is actually a favor and not an obligation to her husband.

8. she believes that if she divorces her husband he should get nothing and she should get everything. this includes custody of the children and family pets, child support and generous vaginamony.

9. she lets herself go immediately after marriage, gains weight and neglects her personal appearance.

10. after giving birth to a predetermined number of offspring she cuts off the sex.

11. she sees domestic violence laws as a way to gain advantage in divorce and child custody battles rather than laws to protect family members from abusing each other.

12. she expects men to approach her but she activates the ***** shield on all but the obviously rich. yet she will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and moan about not being able to find a "good man. "

13. she wants her men to be handsome, well hung and wealthy but if a man rejects her for being fat or homely she thinks he is shallow.

14. she has a list of special calendar dates on which she expects expensive gifts and pampering from the unlucky man in her life. if he forgets there will be hell to pay.

15. she considers any foreign woman marrying an american man to be gold digger and visa hunter.

16. she considers american men who marry foreign women losers.

17. she only dates men her own age or within a 3 year difference. when she reaches her fifties she calls herself an urban cougar, and dates men young enough to be her son even though during her youth she called men who did the same "dirty old men, creeps or perverts. "

18. she thinks it's her job to teach foreign women the way things are when it comes to treating men in spite of her long record of being dumped multiple times and a few divorces.

19. world events are not her strong point. beyond the borders of english-speaking north america the world is a dangerous and poverty stricken shit hole.

20. she believes that women can physically assault men without legal consequences and they should not retaliate.[/quote]how many of these traits should an aw have. because i don't think i've met a women that ever had all.

or are you saying a women that has any of these traits are aw and therefore not worth a mans effort.

I believe that any beaotch that displays even slightly any of these behaviors has relegated herself to the level of AW. I am certain that not all of these creatures disgustingly, pathetic and inexcusable behaviors is listed, CM; however, for the most part you are right on target! These women’s sense of entitlement is beyond excuse and reproach. That is why I promised myself a long time ago not to waste my time pursuing such a disturbing pack of hags: They may have the look, but if you go deeper, are you willing to lose a lifetime of work and achievement on one of these leaches? Fuck no!!! If you keep your distance from these beaotches, your life will remain prosperous, uplifting and safe. But if you engage in a relationship with them, you are in for a world of disappointment, betrayal, lost income (Let’s just say 40%) and no sex. It is just not worth the effort. [QUOTE=ThatGuy865]How many of these traits should an AW have. Because I don't think I've met a women that ever had ALL.

Or are you saying a women that has any of these traits are AW and therefore not worth a mans effort.[/QUOTE]

Sometimes I think I'm smart because I am not vulnerable to an AW taking 40% of my income or assets. But then I realize I am spending 40% of my income on pussy anyway so maybe I am not as smart as I think. It's good pussy though.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]Sometimes I think I'm smart because I am not vulnerable to an AW taking 40% of my income or assets. But then I realize I am spending 40% of my income on pussy anyway so maybe I am not as smart as I think. It's good pussy though.[/QUOTE]You're spending 40% of your income on getting as much pussy as you can on your terms rather than blowing it out the window on one woman on her terms.

I'd say you're on the winning team now... )

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]You're spending 40% of your income on getting as much pussy as you can on your terms rather than blowing it out the window on one woman on her terms.

I'd say you're on the winning team now.)[/QUOTE]Nothing here to disagree with. Only thing that I'll never understand is why some guys ride a plane halfway around the world only to choose to pay a fat, old or ugly thing to have sex with them? It's like it is a sub-conscious urge to select something that is similar to what they'd be getting at home. Everyone has no doubt at one time or another seen this phenomena. To me, this proves the point that experience with AW has you conditioned to accept something sub-standard. And that's sad. Shouldn't be that way.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1] They may have the look, but if you go deeper, are you willing to lose a lifetime of work and achievement on one of these leaches? Fuck no!!! If you keep your distance from these beaotches, your life will remain prosperous, uplifting and safe. But if you engage in a relationship with them, you are in for a world of disappointment, betrayal, lost income (Let’s just say 40%) and no sex. It is just not worth the effort.[/QUOTE]
Excellent statement.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]Sometimes I think I'm smart because I am not vulnerable to an AW taking 40% of my income or assets. But then I realize I am spending 40% of my income on pussy anyway so maybe I am not as smart as I think. It's good pussy though.[/QUOTE]
You're paying piece-by-piece and being mandated by a third-party to pay a lump-sum.

You're maintaining control Dickhead!

As a young executive, I find it easy for people to confuse / use her career as justification for her actions.

Do you want a Latina Loser or an American Career-Woman Winner?

I face this question often. Lots of career losers and without the USA-enforced marriage & child support contract, they have 0% power. In the USA, they have careers (ie. means) and the USA-enforced marriage & child support contracts / legislation to ensure your demise.

Or better yet, don't talk about careers and keep the legs spread with the belly growing!

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]I believe that any beaotch that displays even slightly any of these behaviors has relegated herself to the level of AW. I am certain that not all of these creatures disgustingly, pathetic and inexcusable behaviors is listed, CM; however, for the most part you are right on target! These women's sense of entitlement is beyond excuse and reproach. That is why I promised myself a long time ago not to waste my time pursuing such a disturbing pack of hags: They may have the look, but if you go deeper, are you willing to lose a lifetime of work and achievement on one of these leaches? Fuck no! If you keep your distance from these beaotches, your life will remain prosperous, uplifting and safe. But if you engage in a relationship with them, you are in for a world of disappointment, betrayal, lost income (Let's just say 40%) and no sex. It is just not worth the effort.[/QUOTE]Voyajer1, I just wanted to come and thank you for writing that post. This summer, I had just ended a LTR with an AW. Fortunately, I got to enjoy the beginning of the relationship of "lots of sex" because well, AW are sluttier than foreign girls early on in a relationship. I've found that AW girls use sex more and more later on to try and maintain control.

Like you said, they treat men like we have to follow this strict code to be this caring mate, but they get to do whatever the fuck they want. After being disrespected a few times like that, I broke up with her. Funny thing is, after she lost me she realized she lost someone who would've actually taken really great care of her, and all she had to do was stop being a *****, and she begged me to take her back. LOL, fuck her. I'm in Asia now banging hotter, more submissive girls who will let a reasonable person (a. K. A. The man) set the terms of the relationship. There are a few other girls I'm also getting to know in case I want a LTR and to settle down with a girl who knows that being in a relationship is about taking care of each other, instead of being a leech like the AW's.

Basically all women are the same, its only that AW have knowledge over the other women.

Bring a woman from any country, inform her that after being married for a few years, if she divorces you she can demand 50% of all assets earned during that time and financial support for years after. Let her know that there are facilities around that will give her food, shelter, and assistance until she can get on her feet. Let her know that if you touch her in any way you automatically go to jail.

Then lets see how many of those women would remain the passive, homemakers you so worship. You can read on the post of any country about women from each of those countries who have screwed over some guy. Having him send money while she screws a local.

This is why skanky-assed AW's go to foreign lands attempting to export their poisonous habits to "level the playing field". In other words telling real women how to be beaotches. This is why they get ignored when traveling overseas trying to preach their screwed up views. Again, as long as the laws for all these foreign countries where men can be men are not changed, I will personally continue my voyages and enjoy the priviledges of being a man in those lands since here in the Sex Prison, its all been taken away.

Look at what's written below and you know what the heck I'm talking about. Just in case that isn't enough, guess what, you don't even have to be married to be submitted to those penalties. I would never hurt a woman in anyway. I don't advocate that kind of behavior, we need to be men when dealing with women anywhere. However, the consequenses are so slanted in their favor, why do we even bother? She can have a baby during marriage that isn't the husband's; he'll be stuck with that bill anyway, and so on and so on. Anywhere else in the world, common sense would prevail. That is the liability that an AW has become in my opinion. Say what you will about foreign women. As long as they continue to live there, we have nothing to worry about :D
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Basically all women are the same, its only that AW have knowledge over the other women.

Bring a woman from any country, inform her that after being married for a few years, if she divorces you she can demand 50% of all assets earned during that time and financial support for years after. Let her know that there are facilities around that will give her food, shelter, and assistance until she can get on her feet. Let her know that if you touch her in any way you automatically go to jail.

Then lets see how many of those women would remain the passive, homemakers you so worship. You can read on the post of any country about women from each of those countries who have screwed over some guy. Having him send money while she screws a local.[/QUOTE]

I just started reading this thread and I couldn't agree more with general consensus. I have just a few preliminary points to make:

1. Feminization (male emasculation) is also found in the culture of Western Europe, Australia and New Zealand. American Women really stands for Western Women.

2. Perhaps the biggest victims (losers) in the feminization of our society are women. Women used to be loved and treasured in the sanctuary of the family. Now they are at best tolerated and so they either find themselves in failed relationships or empty loveless unions. What a triumph!

3. Don't kid yourself. Asian Women will quickly turn into AW if you take them out of their native culture or bring your Western culture with you. Treat them with kindness and respect while you fuck them till they can't walk, but never get stupid or sentimental.

American women don’t have any more knowledge than foreign women. In fact, American women are generally stupider and less knowledgeable about the world than foreign women. The only thing that gives American women an edge is the fact that American men passed laws and reforms that were intended to put women on an equal footing with men. However, when these laws were passed instead of entirely abandoning old traditions and expectations American women slyly rejected those that did not serve their purpose while holding on to those that now gave them an unfair advantage over men. Now they misuse sexual harassment and gender discrimination laws against men in the workplace when they can’t compete fairly or dislike a particular male coworker.

American women can make their own money have their own careers but they still like spending men’s money and as if that wasn’t enough they want to dictate the terms of the relationship. They don’t want to be equal. They want to be in charge and have men serve them. That is the bottom line. Men are realizing now that they legislated themselves right into sexual refugee status. So now they’re forced to flee their country in search of pussy in the Third World. Others who are less adventurous choose to sport fuck American women with no sort of commitment. Marriage is on the decline in America. Only religious nuts and women concerned about losing their fast track to riches are trying to defend it from the gays. They know that gay marriage will lead to the elimination of the gender bias in favor of women which currently exists in the legal system.

American women have reached the point where they think the laws no longer apply to them. One just has to take a look at the Amanda Knox case. Knox murdered her British roommate out of jealousy and manipulated her boyfriend and another accomplice into helping her carry out the murder. She was so sure that she’d get off that she did cartwheels while she waited for questioning at the police station. Knox also did some typical things associated with white female American criminals. She accused a black man, her boss, of being the one who carried out the murder. Her false accusation led to his being jailed until his name was cleared. She has a following of very strident supports among the female population in America. They’ve tried to pressure Hillary Clinton into making it a diplomatic issue. In America she would have probably gotten away with her crime but she got a taste of Italian justice instead.

You gentlemen are so right. I post more on the US version of this site, and also on another forum board, and have been mostly a lurker on this site but I know when a spade is a spade.

The US woman wants a Man who will serve her and be there when needed and also her kid if she has one (or few). They will expect you to be there for them at there calling. They have it in their heads that their pussy is worth its weight in gold and we will play to their whims. I know so many guys who support the woman and their kids only to get completely shit on. It makes no sense.

I love sport fucking them, but find it impossible to get entangled with them. Too many are so self centered and selfish, and many are on serious meds as that is now the thing in my home country.

I get asked the question all the time why I am not married and I just can't find a reason I would ever do that. The American Woman is no longer worthy of marriage.

Some of the posts on this thread got me thinking of a girl I once lived with. The relationship started out great. She was very pretty and a lot of fun to be with. The sex was great. I loved her sweet little pussy and she had lots of orgasms. So after a few months, I asked her to move in.

That's when the relationship started going downhill. Not satisfied with living together with a man that really dug her, she started fixating on marriage. Why wouldn't I marry her was a common refrain. Then the sex started happening less often. It was like she put us on a time schedule; 3 times a week, no more, no less. I asked her if anything was wrong. She said no. I asked her if the sex was still good or if there was something more she wanted me to do. She said everything was fine.

I remember one conversation where she offhandedly told me that her mother had once counseled her to never deny her husband (man) a sexual request. Her tone was one of derision. Like the poor old ditty, what a fool. Of course you deny your man sex, that's how you control him. And all men need to be trained and controlled! Well, I soured on the relationship pretty quickly after that. I started to resent her manipulations. I hated always asking for sex and being turned down half the time. I stopped initiating sex with her. And when she initiated it, I didn't feel the old spark.

She continued to fixate on marriage not realizing anything was wrong. But one day I sat her down and broke up with her. I don't think she ever saw the end coming. She never realized what a turn off the control thing was.

Oh well, that's life in sexual prison. Today I am having the best sex in my life with young hotties from Thailand, Cambodia, Costa Rica, and yes occasionally the USA. She on the other hand is overweight, unhappily married to a wus, and has two kids.

I think of that Bob Marley song, "Duppy Conqueror: "The bars could not hold me, force could not control me. They tried to keep me down. But for J'ah I around."

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]
American women have reached the point where they think the laws no longer apply to them. One just has to take a look at the Amanda Knox case. Knox murdered her British roommate out of jealousy and manipulated her boyfriend and another accomplice into helping her carry out the murder. She was so sure that she’d get off that she did cartwheels while she waited for questioning at the police station. Knox also did some typical things associated with white female American criminals. She accused a black man, her boss, of being the one who carried out the murder. Her false accusation led to his being jailed until his name was cleared. She has a following of very strident supports among the female population in America. They’ve tried to pressure Hillary Clinton into making it a diplomatic issue. In America she would have probably gotten away with her crime but she got a taste of Italian justice instead.[/QUOTE]

I must point out there was no DNA or other evidence Knox was present at the time of the murder. For you to post such a statement is highly unnecessary and irrelevant on this forum. She has no similarities with her general female American sisterhood as a student whom studied abroad and tried by a foreign court. I suggest you delete your Knox paragraph immediately.

"Foreign court"? She was tried in the country in which she had chosen to live. And my aren't we the sensitive politically correct New Age Guy. Whose purse are your balls in? Who cares if Knox is even guilty? She's a fuckin' wing nut so just shoot her and get it over with. Or stick a chisel in her ear and pound it with a mallet. Or deport her to Yemen and let the towel heads have a wheel party with her.

[quote=nyc expat]i must point out there was no dna or other evidence knox was present at the time of the murder. for you to post such a statement is highly unnecessary and irrelevant on this forum. she has no similarities with her general female american sisterhood as a student whom studied abroad and tried by a foreign court. i suggest you delete your knox paragraph immediately.[/quote]
i’m sorry to burst your bubble but foxy knoxy was convicted by a jury of her peers (people of european ancestry). the fact that she falsely accused a black man of the crime follows a historical pattern of behavior common to white female american criminals. for example, susan smith did it when she drowned her sons in 1994; bonnie sweeten claimed she and her daughter were abducted by black men in a cadillac after embezzling money and fleeing to disney; ashley todd claimed that a 6-foot-4 black man carved a b into her cheek and robbed her because she had a mccain bumper sticker; fannie taylor claimed that she was assaulted by a black man after being beaten by her white lover while her husband was at work, sparking the lynching of blacks in the rosewood massacre.

patrick lumumba was imprisoned after amanda knox falsely implicated him in the murder. the courts awarded him $12,000 for false imprisonment and ordered knox to pay him $60,000 in damages. i guess she lied on him because she was innocent?

dna from knox was all over the apartment mixed with the victim’s blood. her dna was also on the murder weapon which had the victim’s dna. it should also be noted that there was evidence of an attempt to clean up the crime scene using bleach.

in this thread we discuss american women and their behavior. therefore pointing out amanda knox as a cold calculating american murderess is entirely relevant, and i might even say necessary, in the examination of this subject.

please extricate your balls from the purse where it is currently detained and reclaim some of your dignity as a man. american women apologists, like you, are a large part of the reason why american men are forced to practice sexual colonialism in foreign nations.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]3. Don't kid yourself. Asian Women will quickly turn into AW if you take them out of their native culture or bring your Western culture with you. Treat them with kindness and respect while you fuck them till they can't walk, but never get stupid or sentimental.[/QUOTE]Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winnar!

Things are getting better, but I never should of left country.

Here are some comments from guys who have been lured in marriage only to find the wife no longer interested in sex after the marriage. It's a warning to those still thinking about marrying an American woman. After marriage you can forget about sex.

I am wondering what the incidence of the sexless marriage is in America (or worldwide). I'm also wondering what the typical time-frame is for a marriage to become that way.

[QUOTE]I'm in a marriage that has become like a friendship, roommate relationship. We're married for 22 years, have 3 teenagers and sex occurs 2-4 times per year for the past 15 yrs. I used to be very upset about it but now I simply accept it after trying numerous times to talk about it and let my wife know of my disappointment. She was a virgin when we married (she was 28!) and sex was never important to her. I made the fatal error of thinking I could changer her. I was wrong.

It's the sole reason that I started in this hobby and thankfully the hobby has allowed me to stay in the marriage by keeping me focused on the good instead of the frustration.

I will live my life loving her but I need the hobby to have a sex life.

So, the question is: How common is this in the U.S. or worldwide?

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I think the incidence of no & low sex drive women is much higher than they think. I think "falling in love", "wanting to get married", "wanting a baby" stirs up otherwise dormant hormones.
My first wife apparently had a sex drive, but shut it off for me about the time we were married (or once I was committed to it) I should have been warned. BTW, she still had a sex drive with others apparently!
My present wife, had no sex in the 5 years after her first husband passed away. No partners, no self sex. In the 20 years since, she's reverted quickly to the no sex drive mode... though she warms up to it with a prolonged build up & has O's & a good time. She has never initiated in those 20 years. She will moderately avoid sex. She controls & limits sex to late at night (when we're both tired) in the bedroom.

I never went outside on a GF or SO or wife until the last few years... I do have a disablity & there are some experiences that will not happen unless I look elsewhere for them.

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In the case on my SO, a hysterectomy and early menopause make sex more difficult physically and her desire for sex has diminished markedly. In addition, the time she spent on antidepressants has made it every difficult for her to orgasm. She used to orgasm at least once when we had sex but she hasn't done so in months now and regards it as more work than it is worth.

There is also the issue of familiarity which often leads to a reduction in desire for a partner. As the old joke goes, " Same cow?". Also, many partners in a marriage don't put in the time or effort to keep themselves physically attractive. I have friends with spouses (male and female) who are so fat and homely there's no way I would ever want to be intimate with them.

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Sex was GREAT in the beginning, 2 years into our 14 year marriage is when she lost interest. I held out as long as I could. Year 13 is when I started looking somewhere else. Now I have gone through a lot!!! Still love my wife very much and recently have come to accept her sex drive will not change. Believe me if my wife's sex drive returned I would stop the hobby in a minute. Recently had a girl come to my house. I looked for this one that looked like a younger version of my wife. Had her put on one of my wife's dresses and did her from behind and called her my wife's name and had her yell out my pet name. Little weird maybe but it did wonders for me!!!

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I have been married for 22 years and have three boys 21, 18, and 13. Our relationship has been friendship for the last 10 years. After many years of practically begging for sex, I gave up and turned to the hobby life style. This has kept my family together. I have a nice life style and my wife is happy that I am not pestering her for sex. Once or twice a year she might feel the urge and pull me into the bedroom. But, alas, it is always the same.. Two minutes into it, she always says "are you finished yet". She has her one or two satisfied moments during the brief sex and she is good to go for another six months. I talk to other guys in my office and they are in the same situation.

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When a man and woman get married they love each other and are thinking about different commitments. There is an "unwritten commitment" between the couple which resides in each person's thought process, the woman is thinking, I have a man to take care of me financially and spiritually. The man is thinking I have a woman I can have sex with just about whenever I want. As my doctor says, most woman soon after "alter" the unwritten agreement and use sex as a tool, rather than continuing to build the relationship. Whereas, the man has to continue plotting along holding his end of the unwritten agreement up, working at his job trying to make more money to improve the family life style.

What if one day, the husband said "I'm going to take a couple of months off and just hang around the house with my friends"? Thus, breaking the "unwritten agreement", I do not think this would go over to well, but alas the woman can say "I don't feel like or want to have sex for an extended period and it has to be accepted by the man. The woman in a relationship has other things to hold onto, such as the strong attachment of being a successful mother to her children, her home and her job. She loses touch with making her husband feel special and his needs for romance.

In our relationship, we split all the inside household duties and I keep up with all the household maintenance and yard jobs outside.
I thought takings some of the inside burden would help her frame of mind and appreciate me a little more. Too no avail.....

Thus back to the issue, I think the loss of sexual appetite by the woman is very common. Thank you to all my providers, who make me feel special.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paniki]Things are getting better, but I never should of left country.[/QUOTE]
I wish you well Paniki. I hope things work out with your exotic orchid.

I am only human, and so I too over the years, have met a couple of real peaches (or should I say mangos) that have tempted me greatly to cross the line and make mine. But my work is in the USA and I knew what would almost certainly happen if I brought them home with me. Trouble, to say the least, and I did not want to risk that.

So I work for the day when I can be financially independent, hopefully not too far off. Then I see myself travelling 9 or 10 months a year. Living in Thailand for 4 months, getting a steady girl, riding bareback, and occasionally going off reservation to visit my favorite massage parlors. Then before I get bored, taking off for the Philippines or Cambodia for a couple months, on the way to Brazil for another couple months, and returning to the USA for a summer break before heading back to Thailand and starting all over again. I think I could keep this up in perpetude or at least until I can no longer get it up.

In the meantime I am able to travel to Asia or Latin America for 1½ to 2 months a year and I am usually lucky to find some sexy American girls (gringas) to take up the slack in between. Life is pretty good. One thing I know for sure; I could have never been happy under the totalitarian regime a couple of my ex girlfriends wanted to install over me. I got to be free.

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]

I am wondering what the incidence of the sexless marriage is in America (or worldwide). I'm also wondering what the typical time-frame is for a marriage to become that way.[/QUOTE]Capt,

I don't think it has anything to do with what country you are born, but the two people themselves. Its hard for any guy to excited about having sex with the same women after 5 to 10 years. Once you have done every position. And then some. You know each other so well, there is nothing new to explore. You know exactly how each option is going to feel. So there is nothing exciting about it. To tell you the thruth I believe that most couples, Men and women, don't seem to mind the slow down in sex as long as its not totally non existent. But once a week or even 2 weeks seems to be ok.

I'm sure a lot of guys will tell their buddies how they hate it. But the reality is they really don't. But what guy is going to say to his buddies. I only get laid 2 times a month and I'm totally happy. It just doesn't sound MANLY. So he'll complain "Damn she only gives it to me twice a month". When in reality, he is satisfied and doesn't really care.

It just happens and thats just the way it is.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]How many of these traits should an AW have. Because I don't think I've met a women that ever had ALL.

Or are you saying a women that has any of these traits are AW and therefore not worth a mans effort.[/QUOTE]

Man I had you on ignore for a reason but I'll bite....

Which women do you know that don't at least agree with 10-15 of those traits including the "Young, Hung and Rich" part?

[QUOTE=Matt Loniker]Things are looking up in the USA with new people in power in Washington.[/QUOTE]

The same people are in power in the Bad Place, I can assure you.

[quote=chocha monger]i’m sorry to burst your bubble but foxy knoxy was convicted by a jury of her peers (people of european ancestry). the fact that she falsely accused a black man of the crime follows a historical pattern of behavior common to white female american criminals. for example, susan smith did it when she drowned her sons in 1994; bonnie sweeten claimed she and her daughter were abducted by black men in a cadillac after embezzling money and fleeing to disney; ashley todd claimed that a 6-foot-4 black man carved a b into her cheek and robbed her because she had a mccain bumper sticker; fannie taylor claimed that she was assaulted by a black man after being beaten by her white lover while her husband was at work, sparking the lynching of blacks in the rosewood massacre.

patrick lumumba was imprisoned after amanda knox falsely implicated him in the murder. the courts awarded him $12,000 for false imprisonment and ordered knox to pay him $60,000 in damages. i guess she lied on him because she was innocent?

dna from knox was all over the apartment mixed with the victim’s blood. her dna was also on the murder weapon which had the victim’s dna. it should also be noted that there was evidence of an attempt to clean up the crime scene using bleach.

in this thread we discuss american women and their behavior. therefore pointing out amanda knox as a cold calculating american murderess is entirely relevant, and i might even say necessary, in the examination of this subject.

please extricate your balls from the purse where it is currently detained and reclaim some of your dignity as a man. american women apologists, like you, are a large part of the reason why american men are forced to practice sexual colonialism in foreign nations.[/quote]

cm thank you for pointing that out. nyc is an apolgists for aw and that's a shame.

white women throughout history as you pointed out use black men as lambs to be slaughtered because there's no way a white women could do some of these horrific crimes, especially against children but oh can they.

andrea yates didn't blame a black man but she's a crazy white ***** that's for sure.

banita jacks killed her daughters but that's largely to be blame on blacks kooky connection with the black church (which acts like gays and aids don't exist), which i totally disapprove of.

let's not forget the runaway bride jennifer wilbanks that claimed she was raped by a latino and his white gf, a complete fabrication. that a-hole still wanted to marry her, what is with some of this american male apologist?

and if that wasn't enough - "october 10, 2006 — wilbanks filed a lawsuit against her ex-fiancé for $500,000, claiming it is her share of a home the ex-fiancé purchased with the proceeds to a book deal he negotiated for them when she was medicated, plus punitive damages"

[QUOTE=Opebo]The same people are in power in the Bad Place, I can assure you.[/QUOTE]

Yeah he's not paying attention is he?

They need more people like him, looking at the shiny object in one hand and ignoring the horror in the other.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo]Some of the posts on this thread got me thinking of a girl I once lived with. The relationship started out great. She was very pretty and a lot of fun to be with. The sex was great. I loved her sweet little pussy and she had lots of orgasms. So after a few months, I asked her to move in.

That's when the relationship started going downhill. Not satisfied with living together with a man that really dug her, she started fixating on marriage. Why wouldn't I marry her was a common refrain. Then the sex started happening less often. It was like she put us on a time schedule; 3 times a week, no more, no less. I asked her if anything was wrong. She said no. I asked her if the sex was still good or if there was something more she wanted me to do. She said everything was fine.

I remember one conversation where she offhandedly told me that her mother had once counseled her to never deny her husband (man) a sexual request. Her tone was one of derision. Like the poor old ditty, what a fool. Of course you deny your man sex, that's how you control him. And all men need to be trained and controlled! Well, I soured on the relationship pretty quickly after that. I started to resent her manipulations. I hated always asking for sex and being turned down half the time. I stopped initiating sex with her. And when she initiated it, I didn't feel the old spark.

She continued to fixate on marriage not realizing anything was wrong. But one day I sat her down and broke up with her. I don't think she ever saw the end coming. She never realized what a turn off the control thing was.

Oh well, that's life in sexual prison. Today I am having the best sex in my life with young hotties from Thailand, Cambodia, Costa Rica, and yes occasionally the USA. She on the other hand is overweight, unhappily married to a wus, and has two kids.

I think of that Bob Marley song, "Duppy Conqueror: "The bars could not hold me, force could not control me. They tried to keep me down. But for J'ah I around."[/QUOTE]

I'm amazed that you lasted that long. When the female denies p*ssy, a blowjob, or tres platos I kick her a*s out. And bring in a new one or increase those in the bullpen.

By the way, she won by getting the "wus" on the 18 - 25 year plan at 20% with divorce settlement and possibly alimony. She won: The guy never mattered anyway. He's just a number- a dollar number.

Before I got married my wife to be and I sat down and discussed a few things. She asked, "What if some time I want to take a separate vacation?" and I said that would be fine for a week or so. She asked, "What if I want to be gone for two weeks?" and I said, "If you do that I will go to a hooker." We only lasted five years but it never came up. But I would have. I'm a man of my word. She never cut off the sex, though. That was the least of our problems. We kept fucking after we got divorced, for a while, before it got too weird.

But I had this friend, Mike, a good guy but not too much experience with women. He had this complete ***** of a long-time girlfriend, not even good looking, and after they bought a house together she cut him off completely and obviously had another boy friend but Mike was too dumb to realize this. Anyway, I got sick of hearing him whine about no pussy. I told him, "If that ever happened to me I would lie next to her, beat off, and wipe it on her."

He did this, and she moved out. He said to me, "Well, that didn't work" and I said, "I disagree." He proceeded to stalk her, quit his job, got arrested for climbing over her fence to play with the ex-dog, the whole nine yards. Finally I hooked him up a friend of mine who was extremely sexually aggressive. She screwed him properly and after six months or so of this he was well on his way to recovery when he drowned while bank fishing. Who drowns while [b]bank[/b] fishing?

But at least he got some good pussy before he died and he died doing something he loved. Jesus that first ***** made him miserable. I used to think she was the worst ***** I ever met until I met my best friend from college's second wife. Even bitchier and even uglier and cut him off even faster. I brought him down here to Buenos Aires and got his lights fucked out and he has filed for divorce.

Score: Dickhead 2, Kunts 0.

[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]I'm amazed that you lasted that long. When the female denies p*ssy, a blowjob, or tres platos I kick her a*s out. And bring in a new one or increase those in the bullpen.

By the way, she won by getting the "wus" on the 18. 25 year plan at 20% with divorce settlement and possibly alimony. She won: The guy never mattered anyway. He's just a number- a dollar number.[/QUOTE]ML, you are right on both counts. I did put up with a lot of shit. I was young and did not know a lot about women back then. But that's how you learn. Today I would never stand for that BS.

And yes I was just a substitute and so was every man in her life. But did she win? Yes and no. She settled for a meager middle class existence with a picket fence. She did not get me! I don't call that a victory.

Oh yeah, she called me up a couple of weeks before her marriage and wanted to see me. I let her come over. We had dull unremarkable sex, but I was extremely grateful to her for giving me the opportunity to cuckold her fiancé and future father of her two children.

Many mongers are ambivalent about getting a vasectomy, or what we commonly refer to as getting your nuts snipped. I thought it would be interesting to see what the financial cost of not having your nuts snipped would be, or the return on the investment in having your nuts snipped. If you paid $1,200 for a vasectomy it would prevent you from having the US average of 2.08 children. This translates into a cost savings of $577,000 without college. If you included the cost of college the savings would be $945,000. Therefore the return on investment for $1,200 spent snipping your nuts would be 48,177% without college and 78,762%. This far out performs any 401K or other retirement plan.

This calculation does not take into account your person time invested in raising the children. You will have to spend some time with the children unless you want to unless more delinquents upon the world like the Columbine gunmen. It also does not consider the environmental cost savings to planet in the form of avoided pressure on natural resources and reduced pollution.

Children also take an emotional toll on you especially after going through the public school system. After the social services representative gets done brainwashing them at school you will find that you have very little authority to these parasitic entities living in your domicile. Once they enter puberty you will have things like teen pregnancy and drug use to worry about. As if this isn’t enough, you must maintain some kind of contact with the mother(s) of the children even if your relationship turns sour.

Then there is the question of what kind of life that those children can expect. The US has a practice of running record deficits and leaving it to future generations to pay. Your children may be so heavily taxed that they’re little more than indentured servants of the state. Terrorists have succeeded in making privacy and freedom of movement quickly vanishing concepts. Anal probing may become routine security procedure before being allowed to get on a plane or train. We also know that fossil fuels are being rapidly depleted and there will not be enough to go around in the future for any children born today. These are all things to be considered in your decision on whether or not to get your nuts snipped.

"For behold, the days are coming when they will say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bore, and the breasts that never nursed.'

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]If you paid $1,200 for a vasectomy it would prevent you from having the US average of 2.08 children. This translates into a cost savings of $577,000 without college.[/QUOTE]

Unless, of course, you are married and your wife fucks around on you and gets knocked up. Legally that kid is your problem. So to be even more sure, have a vasectomy [b]and[/b] don't get married.

Let's see now. If a vasectomy now costs $1,200 and mine cost $175 (my soon-to-be wife paid half of that though) in 1981 then the inflation rate for those 18 years is 11.3% annually. Fuck.

But hey all you kiddies out there, you don't have to wait until puberty to do drugs. I didn't! Drug rehab is very expensive, by the way, and the first time often doesn't work.

Anyway I have always said that was the best $87.50 I ever spent.

Dickhead you are one funny dude. Maybe you can send over a couple of your randy GF's to lite a fire under my left nut sack.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]Before I got married my wife to be and I sat down and discussed a few things. She asked, "What if some time I want to take a separate vacation?" and I said that would be fine for a week or so. She asked, "What if I want to be gone for two weeks?" and I said, "If you do that I will go to a hooker." We only lasted five years but it never came up. But I would have. I'm a man of my word. She never cut off the sex, though. That was the least of our problems. We kept fucking after we got divorced, for a while, before it got too weird.

But I had this friend, Mike, a good guy but not too much experience with women. He had this complete ***** of a long-time girlfriend, not even good looking, and after they bought a house together she cut him off completely and obviously had another boy friend but Mike was too dumb to realize this. Anyway, I got sick of hearing him whine about no pussy. I told him, "If that ever happened to me I would lie next to her, beat off, and wipe it on her."

He did this, and she moved out. He said to me, "Well, that didn't work" and I said, "I disagree." He proceeded to stalk her, quit his job, got arrested for climbing over her fence to play with the ex-dog, the whole nine yards. Finally I hooked him up a friend of mine who was extremely sexually aggressive. She screwed him properly and after six months or so of this he was well on his way to recovery when he drowned while bank fishing. Who drowns while [b]bank[/b] fishing?

But at least he got some good pussy before he died and he died doing something he loved. Jesus that first ***** made him miserable. I used to think she was the worst ***** I ever met until I met my best friend from college's second wife. Even bitchier and even uglier and cut him off even faster. I brought him down here to Buenos Aires and got his lights fucked out and he has filed for divorce.

Score: Dickhead 2, Kunts 0.[/QUOTE]

[quote=dj fourmoney]man i had you on ignore for a reason but i'll bite.

which women do you know that don't at least agree with 10-15 of those traits including the "young, hung and rich" part?[/quote]ok well i said i haven't seen a women who displayed all of those traits. first of all.

but let me tell you how i see it as far as each of the traits.

[quote]1. she believes that men should pay for her meals, drinks and entertainment on social outings.[/quote]this is what society taught men and women both, its not a women thing but a cultural thing. so blame society not women. but now a days there are plenty of women who will buy a guy drinks, pay for the meal, and alternate with their mate on entertainment.

[quote] 2. she believes that she can do anything that a man can do but she still expects men to come to her aid and assist her because of her gender.[/quote]i believe when women talk about being able to do anything a man can do. most are talking about mentally. i don't believe there are many women who think they can match men physically, and those who do, would not be looking for a man to her aid because of her gender. maybe because of loyalty,

no difference than a man getting beat down by another guy and a guy friend was with him who was stronger. he'd expect his friend to come to his aid.

[quote] 3. she believes that female sexual access is worth more than male sexual access therefore men must provide her with something other than sexual satisfaction to receive her sexual favors.[/quote]well this is nature, men would love it if women thought and acted like men. but women the world over act towards sex differently than men. its not an aw thing. just as in the pi. a virgin p4p can cost as much as 100 times more than a regular girl and the sex would probably be worst. but supposely fresh. so again while an aw might have this trait its universal.

[quote]4. she uses her sexuality to obtain things from men in whom she has no genuine sexual interest. she may flirt for drinks in a bar then refuse to give her phone number to the man who buys her drinks or give him a wrong number.[/quote]

this is again is women everywhere. beautiful women the world over don't pay for drinks and use men to get what they want by flirting.

[quote]5. she likes to believe that she is independent but will seek peer approval from girlfriends in the club before deciding to fuck a particular man.[/quote]no different than a guy, mostly it has to do with maturity and not the gender. how many guys may be attracted to a particular girl but if he's out with his buddies and they say she's a dog. how many guys will still walk over to get that number. the number that will increase as he gets older and matures. just like with women.

[quote]6. she thinks that a husband is really a slave who works and pays for all of her expenses including offspring. she does not believe that he has rights to the house and car he bought, or the offspring he sired and supports.[/quote]i'd say quite the opposite is true too, men think women should be their slaves and should work, cook, clean, keep the same body as when they married and have sex upon demand. and if alot of guys had their way. if she didn't maintain this. she should leave with the clothes, she came with and thats it. i'd say its about a 50/50 tie on this one at least.

[quote]7. she believes that anything she does within the marriage is actually a favor and not an obligation to her husband.[/quote]

refer to #6 same concept.

[quote]8. she believes that if she divorces her husband he should get nothing and she should get everything. this includes custody of the children and family pets, child support and generous vaginamony.[/quote]she wants half of what was earned while the two were together. now this one can go either way, i do believe some take advantage of this point. like should elin get half of tigers earnings, no but he does owe her some. but half isn't right.

[quote]9. she lets herself go immediately after marriage, gains weight and neglects her personal appearance.[/quote]this can go for the guy as well as the woman.

[quote]10. after giving birth to a predetermined number of offspring she cuts off the sex.[/quote]i have heard where men have done the same, after they have gotten to a certain age. tv is his biggest concern.

[quote]11. she sees domestic violence laws as a way to gain advantage in divorce and child custody battles rather than laws to protect family members from abusing each other.[/quote] some

[quote]12. she expects men to approach her but she activates the ***** shield on all but the obviously rich. yet she will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and moan about not being able to find a "good man. "[/quote]again the same can be said about men.

[quote]13. she wants her men to be handsome, well hung and wealthy but if a man rejects her for being fat or homely she thinks he is shallow.[/quote]again the same can be said about men. only exchange shallow with *****.

[quote]14. she has a list of special calendar dates on which she expects expensive gifts and pampering from the unlucky man in her life. if he forgets there will be hell to pay.[/quote]no comment

15. she considers any foreign woman marrying an american man to be gold digger and visa hunter.

[quote]16. she considers american men who marry foreign women losers.[/quote]

this is a societal thing not a woman thing, because a lot of men believe that about men who marry foreign wives also.

[quote]17. she only dates men her own age or within a 3 year difference. when she reaches her fifties she calls herself an urban cougar, and dates men young enough to be her son even though during her youth she called men who did the same "dirty old men, creeps or perverts. "[/quote]when you were in your 20's if another girl in her 20's were dating a man in his 50's. she would be called a gold digger. so it goes both ways.

[quote]18. she thinks it's her job to teach foreign women the way things are when it comes to treating men in spite of her long record of being dumped multiple times and a few divorces.[/quote]now this is a valid complaint if she interferes in the relationship. but again i think they tend to tell foreign women their rights as a women living in america.

[quote]19. world events are not her strong point. beyond the borders of english-speaking north america the world is a dangerous and poverty stricken shit hole.[/quote]

world events are not a strong point with most americans, men or women.

[quote]20. she believes that women can physically assault men without legal consequences and they should not retaliate[/quote]yes this is a legitimate complaint and more men should press charges when hit, but they don't because most feel like they will appear like a whimp, calling the police for battery from a woman, especially when most of the time she is much smaller than him.

what say you?

tg.

As much as women these days feel they deserve to make as much as and get promoted over men, they also still expect men to bear most of the financial responsibility of dating.

And when they assume supervisory positions in offices, women expect the world to cater to their schedules and those of their children. Single men, meanwhile, are expected to sacrifice for the good of the office.

I was telling a friend today how women in their late 30s seem unable to date unless they have a deeper relationship agenda in mind. The only way women can sport fuck is if they drink a lot so that they have an excuse for enjoying casual sex. Otherwise, maybe they feel like sluts.

Meanwhile, I'd be totally content to meet a girl over a cup of coffee and fuck her in the parking lot.

American women think you "shouldn't" have sex with a man until you know him really well. Latina women think you can't know a man very well at all, until you have sex with him. I don't profess to know who's right but I know which works out better for [b]me![/b]

[QUOTE=Vaquero]I was telling a friend today how women in their late 30s seem unable to date unless they have a deeper relationship agenda in mind. The only way women can sport fuck is if they drink a lot so that they have an excuse for enjoying casual sex. Otherwise, maybe they feel like sluts.

Meanwhile, I'd be totally content to meet a girl over a cup of coffee and fuck her in the parking lot.[/QUOTE]Well thats exactly what makes women different than men. Its nature. And nothing you can do about it.

See you summed it up in your own last line. "Maybe they feel like sluts". Well no guy wants to marry the girl who has fucked the whole neighborhood. So if she ever wanted to get married. "Having sex like a man is the worst thing a women could do". How many guys would marry the women who fucked everyone they know.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]Unless, of course, you are married and your wife fucks around on you and gets knocked up. Legally that kid is your problem. So to be even more sure, have a vasectomy [b]and[/b] don't get married.

Let's see now. If a vasectomy now costs $1,200 and mine cost $175 (my soon-to-be wife paid half of that though) in 1981 then the inflation rate for those 18 years is 11.3% annually. Fuck.

But hey all you kiddies out there, you don't have to wait until puberty to do drugs. I didn't! Drug rehab is very expensive, by the way, and the first time often doesn't work.

Anyway I have always said that was the best $87.50 I ever spent.[/QUOTE]
I bet old Charlie Sheen is wishing he didn't marry and had snipped his nuts. His wife made allegations that he went ape shit after she threatened to divorce him and take away the kids. Now he is looking at a possible 8 years of man love but being a celebrity it will probably be more like 8 days.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Well thats exactly what makes women different than men. Its nature. And nothing you can do about it.

See you summed it up in your own last line. "Maybe they feel like sluts". Well no guy wants to marry the girl who has fucked the whole neighborhood. So if she ever wanted to get married. "Having sex like a man is the worst thing a women could do". How many guys would marry the women who fucked everyone they know.[/QUOTE]

If you don't live in a small town, you won't know who she f*cks anyway. Live in metropolis.

I don't care if she f*cked everybody else. So what: Who's fucking her now? Me.

It's all about p*ssy access. Guys are making monthly payments for no p*ssy access.

See, and Charlie knows better because he has mongering experience. Old Mr. "I don't pay them for sex; I pay so they leave right after sex" should have stuck with that. However the woman was drunk off her ass (I listened to the 911 tape) and is now backpedaling pretty fast.

Another guy who has some dumb drunk ***** fucking up his life is Jim Leyritz. Both those guys are assholes though. Leyritz is way stupid. Divorce your wife and keep living in the same house with her? What, have you been eating fucking glue or something?

For those young people thinking about marrying an AW, always remember to do this:

Take a rather large jar, every time you have sex with your potential wife BEFORE you get married, put one penny into it. Once, you get married go to the jar and take one of the pennies out, every time you have sex. You will NEVER be able to empty the jar once you get married because your wife will suddenly have excuses not to have sex, which never surfaced before you were married. Bank on it.........

I would say to do that with $50 bills because you are not going to be able to get the hookers you will need with the pennies left in the jar. My wife and I had a system where every time I fucked her, I put $5 in the drawer for our next vacation. At the end of the year the drawer was filled with $20 and $50 and $100 bills.

My wife said, "Hey, everyone's not as cheap as you are. Now do you want to go to Monte Carlo or not?"

This used to be a nice forum to get updated information. Ever since "that guy" (or should I say "that girl trolling as a guy, " or if that is not the case then it should be "that guy made ball less / spineless by american feminism, " or "brainless guy that has bought into all the american feminism bullshit, " came about, this has gone to the dogs. If you feel so comfortable with this american women b. S. Why you don't join the singles and divorced forum at yahoo answers. You will get your fill of what american women are all about. You will fit right in.

[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]If you don't live in a small town, you won't know who she f*cks anyway. Live in metropolis.

I don't care if she f*cked everybody else. So what: Who's fucking her now? Me.

It's all about p*ssy access. Guys are making monthly payments for no p*ssy access.[/QUOTE]

That's what I always say. This is more of social problem, I will agree with TG on that. Women feel if they are known as a **** it will put them at an disadvantage in dating circles. But then again, look at all the men that complain about how many partners a woman has had before they hooked up.

Not sure how you can change this, I think frankly its only a problem in North America, maybe Britain.

All the more reason to remove yourself from North America when dating. I would never ask a woman how many men she's been with, its none of my business really. If she has enough self-esteem to keep herself health, then what in the hell are you worried about?

TG I agree on with most of what you had to say and I have often said its a two way street. The problem is, age and weight have more advantages to men than women. So honestly in our culture Women are forced to be thinner in general and look younger. Men as a whole we don't like ugly fat women...

Again that's a cultural problem and if women want us to keep paying for dinner, shows, ball games and drinks, stop giving out fake numbers, be honest if your not interested in us sexually, etc, etc.

We have a general problem of telling the truth in this country and it extends from The White House to Main Street, so until honest returns, things will be screwed up.

[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]If you don't live in a small town, you won't know who she f*cks anyway. Live in metropolis.

I don't care if she f*cked everybody else. So what: Who's fucking her now? Me.

It's all about p*ssy access. Guys are making monthly payments for no p*ssy access.[/QUOTE]

Women use sex and their sexuality as a tool to get what they want from puberty onwards. Maybe not all women to the same degree, but hips, lips and tits get most women what they want in more ways than you can name, in addition to the other areas you mentioned such as financial support and security.

Women tend to downplay this phenomenon because it seems so normal to them that men would want to do things for them. But that's only because it's so pervasive it doesn't seem unusual- just like a fish is the last to realize it lives in the ocean.

All males do things for women because of the possibility of sex, no matter how remote. We're just wired to try to win favor of females and the only way we've come up with is to either buy things for them or do things for them. Again, this is so pervasive that women think it's no big deal. But when was the last time a woman pulled over to help you change a flat tire, or when you were a student, how many of them did your homework for you or volunteered to wax your car etc. It just doesn't happen that way.

But I've known some awfully surprised and angry (single) middle-aged women that got very down on men when they woke up one day and found that all those men were now doing things for other women- the younger, prettier women they used to be. They were bitter because they felt their power over men slipping away.

As I've written before, the source of female power is sexual, and the source of male power is financial. And just like women can lose their looks/power, any man who's been unemployed or broke can tell you how impossible it is to get a date under those circumstances. No matter how good a person you are otherwise, from a female's POV you fail the main test of desirability for a male.

So women have always used the promise of sex to close the deal and get the ring. After that, all bets are off.

Just remember the first rule that any course in negotiating tactics teaches you- the party that cares the least about the outcome has the upper hand in the negotiation. The man really want sex, the woman is indifferent. Who do you think is in the power position?

I believe I've just formulated the proof for the longevity of the world's oldest profession.

"Paying for no pussy access" leads to an interesting mathematical conundrum. First you have to consider that V = Q / P or value equals quality divided by price. Although this equation cannot be objectively solved since quality is subjective, we still perform this math intuitively any time we spend any significant amount of money. So the term "paying" should imply value received. However, paying $X to receive zero pussy leads to another problematic series of equations:

$X paid for pussy / #of pussy access = cost per pussy, which becomes the P in the previous equation. Then if Q is a lognormally distributed coefficient of the quality of the pussy, centered on 1.0 and ranging from zero to infinity, [b]relative[/b] value could be determined and a sensible decision could be made (if not completely hammered or crazed with lust).

But, not if #of pussy access = [b]zero[/b] because you can't divide by zero. A mathematician might claim "the answer is undefined." But when it comes to pussy, the answer is not undefined! If you are paying $X and receiving nothing, you are an idiot and that is the answer. You are a cornudo pulling caballo and the world is laughing at you.

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Women use sex and their sexuality as a tool to get what they want from puberty onwards.[/QUOTE]

And they start using their [b]gender[/b] way before that!

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]the source of female power is sexual, and the source of male power is financial.[/QUOTE]

Hence you have the concept of "incompatibility." This can occur one of two ways: the man loses his income, or the woman loses her patability.

[QUOTE=Latin Bound]This used to be a nice forum to get updated information. Ever since "that guy" (or should I say "that girl trolling as a guy, " or if that is not the case then it should be "that guy made ball less / spineless by american feminism, " or "brainless guy that has bought into all the american feminism bullshit, " came about, this has gone to the dogs. If you feel so comfortable with this american women b. S. Why you don't join the singles and divorced forum at yahoo answers. You will get your fill of what american women are all about. You will fit right in.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you, I agree with some of what he said, its the truth, its a two way street.

However AW have tilted the game towards themselves. For every working poor chick that gets beaten down by her Wal-Mart employee boyfriend, there's some tramp married to somebody like Carl Rove and will get paid off. So there's a ying and a yang, but for men, there is no ying and yang. Most men aren't dating, aren't fucking and aren't successful with women in general. A small group are very successful, turning the tide in their direction getting 100% of what they want. The rest of us, have varied amounts of success but the failures greatly outnumbers those.

Men outnumber Women on dating sites I think 4-1, when women outnumber men in America, how is that even possible???

For most men their should be "plenty to choose from", but the reality is their market is fairly narrow and not by choice either. You date based on your social and economic positions in life. Only in America...

But as I have said before, this dynamic is changed overseas. Most women don't ask where I work, its just not important, most of the time they aren't working better jobs anyway. You know how many women I know that -

1) Works at a Convenience Store, Referees' Girl Bastkball Games and works at Gas Station at night

2) Works in the Liaison offices for the US Air Force

3) 6th Grade Teacher

4) Sold Home Furnishings (think Pottery Barn)

5) Old Folks Home Nurse

6) Works for the local government in Berlin


Funny enough only girl #1 doesn't have children and is the youngest (28)

The Teacher and the Lawyer have more than 2 kids

Want more examples?

7) Czech Girl works as an amateur photographer and Samsung during the day (childless, 25)

8) Siberian works as a 4th grade teacher (should have met up with her in Turkey, dayum it!) (childless, 27)

9) Romanian Blond works as a 3rd grade teacher (Mother of 1, 29)

10) British women works on the pier in Blackpool (Mother of 2, 31)

Most of you guys I assume meet women in a Corporate environment, I will never met those women, its just not where I socialize and meet women in that economic strata.

The childless women, even a few of the single mothers are better looking than all but TWO AW I have dated in my entire life. I have missed some opportunities to be sure but I just don't see where I can find a middle ground in America, I HAVE to look elsewhere.

How many of those ten women you listed did you fuck?

well, not if they've done their kegels.

actually, the best sex i've had has been with women who liked to fuck a lot and weren't ashamed of it.

but there can be problems. some women with hearty sexual appetites were molested as children or raped as teens. often, they're all about demonstrating how well they can control men with their pussies instead of being controlled themselves. or, which may be worse, women who were exceptionally attractive in their youth may make the mistake of failing to develop other aspects of themselves.

by that, i'm thinking of a damn good looking woman i met when she was working as a waitress. she was a sharp girl but never applied herself because men catered to her every need to bang her. now that she's in her late 30s and a single momma again, she's realizing that women younger than her are getting all the attention at the bars.

and when they see that their most powerful too, their sexuality, is beginning to fade in its power, some women go crazy like flies caught in the screen door.

here's one difference between men and women: there's a new custodian at my office. he's a texan, about 22, with movie star looks. i think he got in a car wreck and damaged his noggin, so he's a little slow now.

anyway, i was thinking, "wow, why don't the single mommas in my office ask him out?" well, that's not their way of thinking, because they're looking for cock and a bankroll, or at least the appearance of one.

me personally, i would have no problem dating a good-looking retarded woman with big knockers. i'd totally treat her with respect. chances are she wouldn't worry so much money, and instead of hitting the wine bars, she'd be totally content making grilled cheese sandwiches and shooting off bottle rockets. take her to the bahamas, and she won't quit smiling.

bottom line is that women get turned off when they interpret our desire for sex as lust. and we feel the same way when we see their desire for financial security as greed. each regards the other's appetite as suspect.

[QUOTE=Latin Bound]This used to be a nice forum to get updated information. Ever since "that guy" (or should I say "that girl trolling as a guy, " or if that is not the case then it should be "that guy made ball less / spineless by american feminism, " or "brainless guy that has bought into all the american feminism bullshit, " came about, this has gone to the dogs. If you feel so comfortable with this american women b. S. Why you don't join the singles and divorced forum at yahoo answers. You will get your fill of what american women are all about. You will fit right in.[/QUOTE]So Latin bound,

I guess what you are saying is, if someone has a different view than you they have to be ball less.

I thought this was an OPINION forum about AW. I suggest you start a "For those who HATE AW thread". I will gladly stay out of it.

As my main man DJ FourMoney says

[QUOTE]Most men aren't dating, aren't fucking and aren't successful with women in general. A small group are very successful, turning the tide in their direction getting 100% of what they want.[/QUOTE]Did you ever think that I find fall into that small group DJ talked about who hasn't had those life time of awful encounters with AW that some of you have.

Maybe during HS years when a lot of guys were hanging with the guys playing basketball, or just hanging out, doing whatever. My friends and I were chasing girls. All day and all night. So as a youth I learned striking out is just part of the game. But as long as you keep trying you'll be successful.

Babe Ruth was known his home run record, but for decades he also held the record for strikeouts. But all that counted was his Home runs.

So when a lot of guys got rejected as an adult, and built up resentment from the rejection, I learned as a youth how to spot the potential "yes" women from the "No" women, therefore reducing the rejection factor. No one can be 100% all the time. But how you handle it makes a difference also. Plenty of women who at first said "No" later reverse their tune and said "Yes".

Yeah AW might take more finess to conquer. But the rewards are just as good as with any other nationality.

If there was a difference than wealthy AM who could afford to date women from any part of the world, would be marrying foreigners.

If as you say their Attitudes were so much better. Please enlighten me.

[url]http://www.newsherald.com/news/year-80211-old-punched.html[/url]

Dec 30 - Bad sex leads punch in the nose

PANAMA CITY - A 23-year-old man was punched in the face by his 18-year-old girlfriend moments after they finished having “weird” sex according to a report from the Bay County Sheriff’s Office.

The man told deputies that the couple had just finished when his girlfriend told him “she wouldn’t be having sex with him again.” She also told him to leave. He said he asked her why and she flipped out and threw a phone at him as he was leaving. When he turned around and started to walk back inside the home to get his DVDs, she bloodied his nose with a punch in the face.

The woman told deputies that she was upset with the man because he acted “weird” when they were having sex. When the deputies pressed for an explanation, she told them he called her names and pulled her hair. She added that when she told him that was it and they weren’t having sex again that he pushed her and tried to pour a beer on her. To defend herself she slapped him in the face, she said.

The man eventually told deputies that he did not want to press charges and the case was closed.

Despite all of the vaginal monologues we know that American women have a long history of reaping the fruits of wealth that they did not cultivate. The fact that some guys succeed in having sex with them does not negate this fact. Neither does it refute the data showing that women overwhelming marry for upward financial mobility. Having sex with American women is not difficult at all. Since they are resource driven gaining sexual access can be achieved by displaying wealth or the illusion of wealth if actual wealth does not exist. Where the problem arises is when actual assets are present and vulnerable to claims by American women through marriage or child bearing.

The only American guys who have problems getting access to American pussy are nice guys. Pimps make a lucrative living in the United States. Women love money like they love nothing else. Yet, pimps manage to make women go out on the track, put the pussy up for sale and turn the trap money over to the pimps. How do they do it? What lies between the diametric opposites of tricking and pimping? To a trick a pussy is like a parking meter. To a pimp a pussy is like an ATM. Women drop money like it’s hot, and a pimp picks it up like it’s not.

When most guys approach American women they do so with the attitude that their cocks are worthless and the pussy is made of gold and encrusted with precious gems. They start out from a position of weakness.
[QUOTE=Capt Ajax] Just remember the first rule that any course in negotiating tactics teaches you- the party that cares the least about the outcome has the upper hand in the negotiation. The man really want sex, the woman is indifferent. Who do you think is in the power position?[/QUOTE]
If you’re giving your cock away for free and you’re treating her pussy as something of immense value the game will be over before you even start. People simply do not value anything that can be obtained for free. There is no perceived value for free readily available things. So if a woman can try you why would she buy you? Old notions of chivalry and traditional dating etiquette are screwing you out of pussy. You’re approaching women as a supplicant when you pay for her drinks, meals and entertainment before she puts out. Don’t do it. If she complains then ask her if she thinks that men and women should be equal. If she says yes, then she should be picking up her share of the check at least. A woman who doesn’t want to do this came to enjoy a free meal and not your company. If she doesn’t think that men and women should be equal then ask her to clarify. In the event that she reveals herself as an undercover Femi Nazi dump her on the spot. Otherwise take her to the nearest hotel and screw the shit out of her. Use a condom and don’t dump raw in her guts. The best gift to give to yourself in 2010 might just be a vasectomy.

Remember that dating and screwing American women is a legal minefield. Playing the field is only slightly safer than marriage. Some states anticipated that some men would seek to circumvent divorce laws that favor women so they have common law marriage statues that go into effect after brief periods of cohabitation. Girlfriends can still make bogus domestic violence allegations. One night stands can claim that consent was withdrawn or never granted. If your equipment is still intact unwanted pregnancy followed by child support and visitations issues can arise. It is up to each man to decide if he wants to open himself up to these liabilities.

If you choose to screw American women remember that mongering is your trump card. You should always approach them not caring about the outcome because you always have recourse. Women have all the pussy but pussy is not legal tender. They need to sell the pussy for hard currency and that is where you come in. Approach the pussy transaction dispassionately.

Enter 2010 with a new attitude. Monger hard and beat out that pussy like it owes you money!

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Despite all of the vaginal monologues we know that American women have a long history of reaping the fruits of wealth that they did not cultivate. The fact that some guys succeed in having sex with them does not negate this fact. Neither does it refute the data showing that women overwhelming marry for upward financial mobility. Having sex with American women is not difficult at all. Since they are resource driven gaining sexual access can be achieved by displaying wealth or the illusion of wealth if actual wealth does not exist. Where the problem arises is when actual assets are present and vulnerable to claims by American women through marriage or child bearing.

The only American guys who have problems getting access to American pussy are nice guys. Pimps make a lucrative living in the United States. Women love money like they love nothing else. Yet, pimps manage to make women go out on the track, put the pussy up for sale and turn the trap money over to the pimps. How do they do it? What lies between the diametric opposites of tricking and pimping? To a trick a pussy is like a parking meter. To a pimp a pussy is like an ATM. Women drop money like it’s hot, and a pimp picks it up like it’s not.

When most guys approach American women they do so with the attitude that their cocks are worthless and the pussy is made of gold and encrusted with precious gems. They start out from a position of weakness.

If you’re giving your cock away for free and you’re treating her pussy as something of immense value the game will be over before you even start. People simply do not value anything that can be obtained for free. There is no perceived value for free readily available things. So if a woman can try you why would she buy you? Old notions of chivalry and traditional dating etiquette are screwing you out of pussy. You’re approaching women as a supplicant when you pay for her drinks, meals and entertainment before she puts out. Don’t do it. If she complains then ask her if she thinks that men and women should be equal. If she says yes, then she should be picking up her share of the check at least. A woman who doesn’t want to do this came to enjoy a free meal and not your company. If she doesn’t think that men and women should be equal then ask her to clarify. In the event that she reveals herself as an undercover Femi Nazi dump her on the spot. Otherwise take her to the nearest hotel and screw the shit out of her. Use a condom and don’t dump raw in her guts. The best gift to give to yourself in 2010 might just be a vasectomy.

Remember that dating and screwing American women is a legal minefield. Playing the field is only slightly safer than marriage. Some states anticipated that some men would seek to circumvent divorce laws that favor women so they have common law marriage statues that go into effect after brief periods of cohabitation. Girlfriends can still make bogus domestic violence allegations. One night stands can claim that consent was withdrawn or never granted. If your equipment is still intact unwanted pregnancy followed by child support and visitations issues can arise. It is up to each man to decide if he wants to open himself up to these liabilities.

If you choose to screw American women remember that mongering is your trump card. You should always approach them not caring about the outcome because you always have recourse. Women have all the pussy but pussy is not legal tender. They need to sell the pussy for hard currency and that is where you come in. Approach the pussy transaction dispassionately.

Enter 2010 with a new attitude. Monger hard and beat out that pussy like it owes you money![/QUOTE]Well said Chocha. 2010. Its all about "Beatin Knees and skull fucking".

Have a Happy New years all

In order to qualify for a common law marriage, you and your partner, in general, must agree either in writing or orally to enter into a husband/wife relationship, hold yourselves out as husband and wife and acquire a reputation as a married couple.

With that in mind, cohabitating is not a legal threat, unless you really do portray yourself in some very public or concrete way as married. Not all states recognize common law, but a few that do include District of Columbia, Alabama, Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Montana, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas and Utah.

With child support issues, yeah, if you don't want to have kids than get a vasectomy. But supporting your kids is a moral issue that should be obligatory despite how fascist some of the more liberal feminazi state governments have become.

As for all the banter on this thread about AW, I don't get it. Expat to the PI if it is such a big deal or import a highly domesticated 3rd worlder from somewhere as your bride. If money is such a big deal, a bottle of Juergen's and a few free video clips from any porn site can go a long ways. That way you can save a few bucks for some pussy that is really worth it. In the meantime, have a good sense of humor and humility, take as many swings as you can and sometimes you get lucky. The greater the number of shots you take, the more likely you are to score.

I have a third worlder keeping my house in CONUS and periodic extracurriculars e. G. Manila for the occasional smorgasbord.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]How many of those ten women you listed did you fuck?[/QUOTE]

(3) I haven't met in person yet (been talking for years off and on)

(1) One dissed me in Olso, Norway (I picked the wrong girl to see first, been over that before)

(1) Is the pissed off German that works for the Armed Forces, was mad because I didn't see her first

That's 5 huh? The Hungarian chick I banged a few times, then she dropped me like a bad habit, been over that one too.

The others I'm still talking too mostly, I'll be returning to Europe in 2011, spending all of 2010 saving money and going to school.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Despite all of the vaginal monologues we know that American women have a long history of reaping the fruits of wealth that they did not cultivate. The fact that some guys succeed in having sex with them does not negate this fact. Neither does it refute the data showing that women overwhelming marry for upward financial mobility. Having sex with American women is not difficult at all. Since they are resource driven gaining sexual access can be achieved by displaying wealth or the illusion of wealth if actual wealth does not exist. Where the problem arises is when actual assets are present and vulnerable to claims by American women through marriage or child bearing.

The only American guys who have problems getting access to American pussy are nice guys. Pimps make a lucrative living in the United States. Women love money like they love nothing else. Yet, pimps manage to make women go out on the track, put the pussy up for sale and turn the trap money over to the pimps. How do they do it? What lies between the diametric opposites of tricking and pimping? To a trick a pussy is like a parking meter. To a pimp a pussy is like an ATM. Women drop money like it’s hot, and a pimp picks it up like it’s not.

When most guys approach American women they do so with the attitude that their cocks are worthless and the pussy is made of gold and encrusted with precious gems. They start out from a position of weakness.

If you’re giving your cock away for free and you’re treating her pussy as something of immense value the game will be over before you even start. People simply do not value anything that can be obtained for free. There is no perceived value for free readily available things. So if a woman can try you why would she buy you? Old notions of chivalry and traditional dating etiquette are screwing you out of pussy. You’re approaching women as a supplicant when you pay for her drinks, meals and entertainment before she puts out. Don’t do it. If she complains then ask her if she thinks that men and women should be equal. If she says yes, then she should be picking up her share of the check at least. A woman who doesn’t want to do this came to enjoy a free meal and not your company. If she doesn’t think that men and women should be equal then ask her to clarify. In the event that she reveals herself as an undercover Femi Nazi dump her on the spot. Otherwise take her to the nearest hotel and screw the shit out of her. Use a condom and don’t dump raw in her guts. The best gift to give to yourself in 2010 might just be a vasectomy.

Remember that dating and screwing American women is a legal minefield. Playing the field is only slightly safer than marriage. Some states anticipated that some men would seek to circumvent divorce laws that favor women so they have common law marriage statues that go into effect after brief periods of cohabitation. Girlfriends can still make bogus domestic violence allegations. One night stands can claim that consent was withdrawn or never granted. If your equipment is still intact unwanted pregnancy followed by child support and visitations issues can arise. It is up to each man to decide if he wants to open himself up to these liabilities.

If you choose to screw American women remember that mongering is your trump card. You should always approach them not caring about the outcome because you always have recourse. Women have all the pussy but pussy is not legal tender. They need to sell the pussy for hard currency and that is where you come in. Approach the pussy transaction dispassionately.

Enter 2010 with a new attitude. Monger hard and beat out that pussy like it owes you money![/QUOTE]

Spending 2010, saving money, working 2 jobs, going to school

Actual school is only from Feb to June, but additional training will take another month during the summer, we'll see what I end up doing.

Like the Patty La Belle Song "I got a new attitude"

I hope I can maybe get down to South America or maybe some of beach cities in Mexico for some additional selection over what's available in TJ.

No local pussy, I have cut them off.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Spending 2010, saving money, working 2 jobs, going to school

Actual school is only from Feb to June, but additional training will take another month during the summer, we'll see what I end up doing.

Like the Patty La Belle Song "I got a new attitude"

I hope I can maybe get down to South America or maybe some of beach cities in Mexico for some additional selection over what's available in Tijuana.

No local pussy, I have cut them off.[/QUOTE]DJ,

Where I'm from fucking a fat/ugly chick is better than "NO" pussy, of course its nothing to brag about. But its satisfying and gives you some practice. No one says you have to show her off in public, and you'd be surprised how good the sex can B.

There are plenty of chicks that will be happy with pizza and watching a DVD. Its better than beating your meat alone. Man you better get out there and get you a reliable chick. Especially for a guy on a budget.

I found a picture of ThatGay's wife on Craig's list:

[QUOTE=Dickhead]I found a picture of ThatGay's wife on Craig's list:[/QUOTE]Damn, but at least I got some one. Bet she feels better than your hand.

Everything has beauty, but not everyone sees it. ~Confucius

Beauty comes as much from the mind as from the eye. ~Grey Livingston

[QUOTE=Dickhead]I found a picture of ThatGay's wife on Craig's list:[/QUOTE]
Dickhead,

That is the one and only rule guys who deal with AW need to remember! :D

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]DJ,

Where I'm from fucking a fat/ugly chick is better than "NO" pussy, of course its nothing to brag about. But its satisfying and gives you some practice. No one says you have to show her off in public, and you'd be surprised how good the sex can B.

There are plenty of chicks that will be happy with pizza and watching a DVD. Its better than beating your meat alone. Man you better get out there and get you a reliable chick. Especially for a guy on a budget.[/QUOTE]That's the many USA men's problem - they agree to fuck ugly girls, because nothing else is available. In USA often you can meet a good looking guy with a butt ugly chick. Therefore the girls do not have any incentive to get in shape and look better.

I was going to a gym sometime, often there were like 10 guys for one girl getting into shape. That's a really perverted ratio.

How good sex can be with fat/ugly? Unless you're in some kinda "love" state of mind, it's like fucking an animal. Plus piles of Viagra crap would be necessary.

For me personally I would not have sex at all than tyring to fuck a fat ugly chick. The psychological damage is too high. Years ago I fucked a fat/ugly just for "fun", still regret it.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]DJ,

Where I'm from fucking a fat/ugly chick is better than "NO" pussy, of course its nothing to brag about. But its satisfying and gives you some practice. No one says you have to show her off in public, and you'd be surprised how good the sex can B.

There are plenty of chicks that will be happy with pizza and watching a DVD. Its better than beating your meat alone. Man you better get out there and get you a reliable chick. Especially for a guy on a budget.[/QUOTE]

Its been a struggle to find a happy medium my entire life.

I picked up my father's Playboy's when I visited him on weekends (after the divorce) when I was younger. This was the middle 1970's. My mental imagine of women is well, maybe not idealistic for economic position.

This was before the world of electronic manipulation of imagines we generally see now. I know what an attractive woman looks like, I can not think of a sane reason why I should have only access to less than perfect.

With age came a realization of where I really was, my position in life. I modified my requirements accordingly. On the old scale that would be a woman in the 7-8 zone in the looks department.

I've had 7's here and there, let opportunities slip away. These were truly low maintenance women, didn't want much, just ol'e me that was it. I messed up, I stayed with my too long and lost two of them. When I finally figured out I should let my ex go because I saw no future, I thought I had it figured out.

Of course I didn't!

Fast Forward 10 years... Since Late 1998, I have been with a few since that point.

1) Sexually abused 19 year old with a "trailer trash" family in rural Colorado.

I would have been upgrading the gene pool...

2) Fat Chick I met online, not cute at all, Victorville

3) Fat Black Chick I met online, ummm never saw a picture until it was too late, 2nd time I let that happen...

4) Mercy Sex from a girl I never really knew were I stood with her.

5) Late 40's single mother I met at a Swinger's Party believe it or not, if I'm not mistaken this was a Swinger's party for BBW's, don't talk to me about fat chicks man, I've been there and done most of it.

Oh another Fat Chick, wasn't cute at all, I took her out to eat once. I used to walk right into the house, say hi to her mom, go into her room and close the door behind me, it was that simple and easy...

I don't want just sex, I can get that, usually from a fat chick. I was looking at my options one day and came across the site. I knew a guy back when I was just a few years removed from high school in the 90's that bragged about the hookers he used to call and wasn't ashamed at all.

I was interested in what you guys had to say and gained a new perceptive on my sex life and social position.

I much rather go down to TJ spend $20-60 per session, get my jollies and not have to deal with the usual nonsense that comes with fucking a civilians.

Thanks but no thanks TG

Dickhead,

If you substitute the "cost per pussy" into the first formula V = Q / P, there is no division by zero issue.

V = ( Quality * #of pussy access )/ $X paid for pussy

So if one gets zero pussy, he gets 0 value, no matter what quality or amount spend.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]"Paying for no pussy access" leads to an interesting mathematical conundrum. First you have to consider that V = Q / P or value equals quality divided by price. Although this equation cannot be objectively solved since quality is subjective, we still perform this math intuitively any time we spend any significant amount of money. So the term "paying" should imply value received. However, paying $X to receive zero pussy leads to another problematic series of equations:

$X paid for pussy / #of pussy access = cost per pussy, which becomes the P in the previous equation. Then if Q is a lognormally distributed coefficient of the quality of the pussy, centered on 1.0 and ranging from zero to infinity, [b]relative[/b] value could be determined and a sensible decision could be made (if not completely hammered or crazed with lust).

But, not if #of pussy access = [b]zero[/b] because you can't divide by zero. A mathematician might claim "the answer is undefined." But when it comes to pussy, the answer is not undefined! If you are paying $X and receiving nothing, you are an idiot and that is the answer. You are a cornudo pulling caballo and the world is laughing at you.[/QUOTE]

DJ:

The worst thing you can do is to fuck fat, old, ugly, blind, crazy, crippled, single parent and busted broads. If you really wanted a new sports car would you shop dealer lots and test drive used minivans and cargo trucks instead? In a similar manner if you’re looking for a woman in the 8 zone for a serious relationship time spent fucking women in the 1 to 5 zone is a waste of your time. Sure fucking them will help take the edge off but it will also sap your motivation and make you complacent. The time you’re spending fucking busted broads is time can be better spent improving your situation and looking for the type of woman you really want.

These subprime women want the same thing that premium women want in the long run. Imagine you’re with Miss Subprime and you run into a zone 8 woman who is interested in you. Oops! You have a “girlfriend” and to make matters worst she is busted so you suffer an immediate devaluation by association. Now you just lost an opportunity with a girl you really wanted because you were with a girl who is a convenient hole to nut in. Even if you don’t get caught outright riding your piglet you’d have to be a pretty heartless fucker to dump her fast enough to prevent her from screwing up your opportunity. Then you have deal with the fallout that will come from dogging her out like that.

Also, there is the opportunity cost involved in humping your beached whale instead of spending that time studying or working extra hours. So basically, you’re investing time and money into fucking a woman that isn’t even visually appealing to you. Since no pussy is free pussy, you’re better off having no pussy if it is pussy you don’t really want to begin with. At least when you monger you’re renting time on a model similar to the one that you’d like to own eventually.

The only person who benefits from busted broad fucking is the busted broad herself because she is getting serviced from someone who would normally not fuck her. If you knock her up she will invariably keep the baby and put you on child support if you refuse to stay with her. Now, you’re really even more fucked than before and your dreams of a relationship with a zone 8 girl will remain just that, a dream.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]DJ:

The worst thing you can do is to fuck fat, old, ugly, blind, crazy, crippled, single parent and busted broads. If you really wanted a new sports car would you shop dealer lots and test drive used minivans and cargo trucks instead? In a similar manner if you’re looking for a woman in the 8 zone for a serious relationship time spent fucking women in the 1 to 5 zone is a waste of your time. Sure fucking them will help take the edge off but it will also sap your motivation and make you complacent. The time you’re spending fucking busted broads is time can be better spent improving your situation and looking for the type of woman you really want.
[/QUOTE]I agree. It is better to spend time working, studying, earning extra money which can be spent later on time with a high quality woman.

If everybody did it(avoid fat/ugly broads), then maybe those "fat, old, ugly, blind, crazy, crippled" broads would start feeling competition and will try to improve themselves. So the whole situation might improve in the long run. But if it does not you don't lose anything anyway.

In Latin America and Eastern Europe women compete for good men, women try to look good and dress well.

In Kazakhstan they even offer courses for women on how to get and keep a man! Which is complete opposite to USA

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]DJ:

The worst thing you can do is to fuck fat, old, ugly, blind, crazy, crippled, single parent and busted broads. If you really wanted a new sports car would you shop dealer lots and test drive used minivans and cargo trucks instead? In a similar manner if you’re looking for a woman in the 8 zone for a serious relationship time spent fucking women in the 1 to 5 zone is a waste of your time. Sure fucking them will help take the edge off but it will also sap your motivation and make you complacent. The time you’re spending fucking busted broads is time can be better spent improving your situation and looking for the type of woman you really want.

These subprime women want the same thing that premium women want in the long run. Imagine you’re with Miss Subprime and you run into a zone 8 woman who is interested in you. Oops! You have a “girlfriend” and to make matters worst she is busted so you suffer an immediate devaluation by association. Now you just lost an opportunity with a girl you really wanted because you were with a girl who is a convenient hole to nut in. Even if you don’t get caught outright riding your piglet you’d have to be a pretty heartless fucker to dump her fast enough to prevent her from screwing up your opportunity. Then you have deal with the fallout that will come from dogging her out like that.

Also, there is the opportunity cost involved in humping your beached whale instead of spending that time studying or working extra hours. So basically, you’re investing time and money into fucking a woman that isn’t even visually appealing to you. Since no pussy is free pussy, you’re better off having no pussy if it is pussy you don’t really want to begin with. At least when you monger you’re renting time on a model similar to the one that you’d like to own eventually.

The only person who benefits from busted broad fucking is the busted broad herself because she is getting serviced from someone who would normally not fuck her. If you knock her up she will invariably keep the baby and put you on child support if you refuse to stay with her. Now, you’re really even more fucked than before and your dreams of a relationship with a zone 8 girl will remain just that, a dream.[/QUOTE]

Thank You CM for spelling it out for AW Apologist: That Guy

I wasted another year with my ex on a 7 that could be an 8 with just a quick trip to the dentist. We even talked about living together. Because I was unsure of my situation (I wasn't working at the time and my business wasn't working out like I planned without additional investment), I ultimately stuck with the status quo.

I have been down that road already, I wasted at least a year, missed out on an excellent opportunity. This girl used to send me snaps of her pussy unsolicited, "Look baby, here's a pic of my pussy, I want you inside it"

She ended up marrying some Navy guy that knocked her up and last I heard she was divorced and had two kids.

I went down to San Diego to see her one day after I took my gf to work, we even kissed. I just was unsure, I had my gf working, paying for shhh and not complaining about it either, not even to her mother who she constantly talked too.

I've been to San Diego at least 2 other times for pussy, all hotties (in my book or anybody else's for that matter...) all at least 7's, one single mother that was an 8 and you know she was judging by the broken necks she generated in the Gas Lamp District, for those that know SD.

I had forgot my wallet that evening and after that night I never heard from her again... Mistakes a man will make.... I think there's a Slick Rick lyric in there...

C'mon TG I'm 39, I can be f'ing around anymore. As it is, I'm forced to spend who know's how much in the end to find somebody in there mid to late 20's that's willing to shack up with a young looking but still almost 40 year old man. By the time I find somebody, confirm she's the right one, all the nonsense and paperwork, I will be at least 40 if not 41 and if all goes smooth as glass, she might even pop out our first child by the time I'm 42, IF I'm lucky and TG wants me to burn up my valuable time, trolling BBW Single Sites, BBW Single's clubs and Craigslist which is full of Broken Ass Women "Ankles" just so I can fuck for free?

Man its not FREE! I put a monetary value on every min I waste doing something I don't want.

Hell of a suggestion dude.

Again thanks CM

[QUOTE=Dickhead]I found a picture of ThatGay's wife on Craig's list:[/QUOTE]

Here's another one.......

That was funny Capt.

Hey guys, I was only making a SUGGESTION for DJ.

My thinking was at night when he had SPARE time. Instead of beating his meat, watching TV, or whatever he does with his SPARE time. He could meet some let me say "less attractive" women who are a bit more gracious and less demanding than an 8, 9, or 10. Would B.

Isn't this a forum about helping one another. You guys act like I tried to flame on him or something.

Why is the only solution. P4P with a woman from another country.

I ask you why do so many wealthy American men who have traveled the world, can afford to marry women from any where, yet so many marry AW.

Its not just the rich, many of the military men, who have been stationed all around the world, been with women from all parts of the world, yet they still come back to America and marry an AW.

There must be something to be said for the AW, of course no one says 100% of the men will be happy with every AW, but thats not because she's American.

Mainly its because they weren't right for each other. She wasn't the right person for that guy, whether she had come from south america, asia, or EE. Those two people were right for each other. Period.

Being with someone "married" or not for a long time is a hard thing to do. People's ideas on things change as we grow, views and values change. So for two people to grow and keep these things in synch is a miracle in itself.

ThatGuy.

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Here's another one.......[/QUOTE]Hello Ajax,

I hear that again Ajax will not be champion.

Are they that bad ?

Cheers !

So I was talking with this friend of mine who lives up in SP. He told me he met a gal on (Craig's list?? Face Book?? some on-line bullshit) and she said in her ad she had been 75 lbs overweight and had lost 25. So he thought this was good evidence of her "commitment to change."

I said, "Suppose she loses the whole 75 lbs? What's that gonna look like? Pick a wrinkle, any wrinkle?"

He said I was "negative" and "cynical." I asked him if he fucked her yet and he said, "Oh no; she needs to lose at least another 25 lbs before that will happen." I said, "So in the meantime, you are taking her out and hanging out with her and spending your hard earned money on her and [b]if[/b] in several months she's lost 25 more lbs then you will fuck her? And if not????"

He said homina homina homina um er uh uh and I said, "I'm not offended that you called me negative and cynical so I hope you won't be offended when I call you desperate and pathetic."

[QUOTE=Dickhead]So I was talking with this friend of mine who lives up in SP. He told me he met a gal on (Craig's list?? Face Book?? some on-line bullshit) and she said in her ad she had been 75 lbs overweight and had lost 25. So he thought this was good evidence of her "commitment to change."

I said, "Suppose she loses the whole 75 lbs? What's that gonna look like? Pick a wrinkle, any wrinkle?"

He said I was "negative" and "cynical." I asked him if he fucked her yet and he said, "Oh no; she needs to lose at least another 25 lbs before that will happen." I said, "So in the meantime, you are taking her out and hanging out with her and spending your hard earned money on her and [b]if[/b] in several months she's lost 25 more lbs then you will fuck her? And if not????"

He said homina homina homina um er uh uh and I said, "I'm not offended that you called me negative and cynical so I hope you won't be offended when I call you desperate and pathetic."[/QUOTE]Like wise One of my best friends who went out to a jazz club. Met a fine. I mean fine ass blonde hair blue eye white girl with a booty no less. She has a kid so she can't afford to get out often, so instead of going out he goes to her place, she fixes knacks or dinner depending how late he goes, they watch DVD's and once the kid (5yrs old) is off to sleep, he bones her the rest of the night. He's taken her out to dinner, nothing fancy, $75 for the two

He calles it pathetic when ever I mention the P4P option. He figures he has taken her out maybe once a month and he goes thru about 2 times a week. We discuss this frequently even though I date AW, I still participate in the P4P game and he always berates the game. He doesn't have the taste for the variety of women like me, nor the desire to travel. Even when a group of us make a Tijuana run, he will go for the comrodery, but never partakes of the game. He calls it a waste of his hard earned dollar. He wouldn't pay for something he considers he can get for free.

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Here's another one.[/QUOTE]Hey stop talking sh$T about my wife. She working so that she can pay off my doctor's bill after giving me a massive head concussion after she accidentally slammed those titties into my head during a hot kinky session. If you guys use her, give her a big tip. I need to find a dentist to give me a new set of dentures. She also knocked cracked my dentures too.

BTW, please watch out for those swingin titties. Be careful.

SEAJ, if you are reading this, she also a "white" tiger.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]So I was talking with this friend of mine who lives up in SP. He told me he met a gal on (Craig's list?? Face Book?? some on-line bullshit) and she said in her ad she had been 75 lbs overweight and had lost 25. So he thought this was good evidence of her "commitment to change."

I said, "Suppose she loses the whole 75 lbs? What's that gonna look like? Pick a wrinkle, any wrinkle?"

He said I was "negative" and "cynical." I asked him if he fucked her yet and he said, "Oh no; she needs to lose at least another 25 lbs before that will happen." I said, "So in the meantime, you are taking her out and hanging out with her and spending your hard earned money on her and [b]if[/b] in several months she's lost 25 more lbs then you will fuck her? And if not????"

He said homina homina homina um er uh uh and I said, "I'm not offended that you called me negative and cynical so I hope you won't be offended when I call you desperate and pathetic."[/QUOTE]


Everyone's on the whole Facebook, Myspace, Craigslist social media thing. Too bad for guys it can be like hittin the lottery finding a decent female. Off the top of my head one guy I know just got scammed by a so-called Egyptian Hollywood type he met on Craigslist or Myspace, another didn't know where the girl was from he met off of Facebook - Ghana or Guyana, I said "did she ask you for money?" he said "yes" and I told him it was probably a Nigerian scammer in Ghana; the last guy met a girl who contacted him somehow and was lovey-dovey for 4 months on dates until he got an e-mail from some guy who got an e-mail from her asking for a threesome. Of course a single mother.

Was worried about the "up in SP" quote. For a minute thought it was Sao Paolo which would seem unbelievable as to a guy having problems meeting chicks there. ( SP = Sex Prison USA. )

He calles it pathetic when ever I mention the P4P option. He figures he has taken her out maybe once a month and he goes thru about 2 times a week. We discuss this frequently even though I date AW, I still participate in the P4P game and he always berates the game. He doesn't have the taste for the variety of women like me, nor the desire to travel. Even when a group of us make a Tijuana run, he will go for the comrodery, but never partakes of the game. He calls it a waste of his hard earned dollar. He wouldn't pay for something he considers he can get for free.
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I know guys with the same attitude. Usually they never been out of the country unless it was to Acapulco or the Carribean, or some BS boat cruise where they meet a chick from Boston and drove up to see her every other weekend. They just don't get the whole program of what it's about around the world. You have to really paint a picture of non-stop available sex with willing woman available which American men can't comprehend of such a thing existing and availing themselves. You have to really understand when you leave America it's a mans world out there.

When I tell them not to wear jewelry in some places, dress down and don't draw attention alot of guys have an attitude of " I'm not changing myself" just because... And my favorite-"I don't pay for no pussy."

Unless you are dating a highly successful cougar or a successful young woman who pays for all the dates, drives to your house always (Not the other way around) and gratifies herself and you sexually, and can be called upon to repeat previous statement on command you are going to pay for it one way or another. If we are talking about your time, taking risks, either fiscal, psychological, emotional, whatever, can afford to date at will, it all comes with a price tag attached unless she PAYS you for your time. You may have to dig through millions of tons of dirt to find that one perfect diamond. The same principle applies to AW in the dating game.

There are gems out there, but where are you going to find one? On the other hand, outside of Sex Prison, USA, the bounty is rich, plentiful, and available. There are no hidden agendas over the borders here if you have some brains. It is still a man's world over here, something our AW really hate. Plus the sex is just freaking outstanding, mostly 10 out of 10 in a scale of 1 through 10. Yes its paid for, but do I deserve anything less than that? I think not. The starfish experience in the AP is just not worth the time and it IS damn expensive. Just my opinion...

[QUOTE=Mike12]
When I tell them not to wear jewelry in some places, dress down and don't draw attention alot of guys have an attitude of " I'm not changing myself" just because... And my favorite-"I don't pay for no pussy."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]Unless you are dating a highly successful cougar or a successful young woman who pays for all the dates, drives to your house always (Not the other way around) and gratifies herself and you sexually, and can be called upon to repeat previous statement on command you are going to pay for it one way or another. If we are talking about your time, taking risks, either fiscal, psychological, emotional, whatever, can afford to date at will, it all comes with a price tag attached unless she PAYS you for your time. You may have to dig through millions of tons of dirt to find that one perfect diamond. The same principle applies to AW in the dating game.

There are gems out there, but where are you going to find one? On the other hand, outside of Sex Prison, USA, the bounty is rich, plentiful, and available. There are no hidden agendas over the borders here if you have some brains. It is still a man's world over here, something our AW really hate. Plus the sex is just freaking outstanding, mostly 10 out of 10 in a scale of 1 through 10. Yes its paid for, but do I deserve anything less than that? I think not. The starfish experience in the AP is just not worth the time and it IS damn expensive. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]This is about a ridiculous statement as I have ever read.

That same ole line about "You pay for it one way or another" is a mongers mantra and excuse for the P4P game. No regular relationships that work DO NOT equate to the same as P4P.

Not all Time is money. Do you do anything besides making money. When you go to have a drink or watch a game with the fellas. Are you paying to have friends! If you go to dinner at your mom's house. Is that costing you money. Is every thing you do in life about making money. Have you heard of free time to relax. Are you some Fat#kng minute by minute investor. Your time is that damn valuable, every minute of it. If life to you is only about making money. Then you're right keep f$#%kng paying for it cause you'd never be good in a relationship anyway.

Even if it is, then your ass is paying 100x the price for overseas pootane. Cause of the TIME and cost it takes to fly over there and back, the hotel and food expenses, the time you spend there when you aint with a babe, the time going to get the baB. And I know a BIG TIME guy like yourself, not only pays for the girl, but takes her out like she's some date, (cause she can swallow mine and everybody else's dick like a champ and has). If TIME is money then you are paying a hell of alot more for oversea's pussy.

Thatguy. telling it like it is.

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[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Why is the only solution. P4P with a woman from another country.[/QUOTE]Maybe it's because ISG is [I]all about[/I] the P4P scene outside the USA?

[quote]There must be something to be said for the AW, of course no one says 100% of the men will be happy with every AW, but thats not because she's American.

Mainly its because they weren't right for each other. She wasn't the right person for that guy, whether she had come from south america, asia, or EE. Those two people were right for each other. Period.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely right about "they weren't right for each other. " However, the current culture of the USA seems to take the position that "if there's a problem, it's all the man's fault. " It's a culture of blame and entitlement, and of portraying men as "the enemy. " I, for one, have gotten such a bellyful of that $#! + that I stopped even "looking for love" in the USA.

But when we go "offshore, " we find women who aren't busy "blaming the man" for all their troubles. We find a culture where the ladies are happy to be with us. And even if it's a P4P situation, we enjoy it oh so much!

Isn't ISG all about "where the chicas are, " about the countries and places we can go to "see the sweetness we've been trying for"?

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]That was funny Capt.

Hey guys, I was only making a SUGGESTION for DJ.

My thinking was at night when he had SPARE time. Instead of beating his meat, watching TV, or whatever he does with his SPARE time. He could meet some let me say "less attractive" women who are a bit more gracious and less demanding than an 8, 9, or 10. Would B.

Isn't this a forum about helping one another. You guys act like I tried to flame on him or something.

Why is the only solution. P4P with a woman from another country.

I ask you why do so many wealthy American men who have traveled the world, can afford to marry women from any where, yet so many marry AW.

Its not just the rich, many of the military men, who have been stationed all around the world, been with women from all parts of the world, yet they still come back to America and marry an AW.

There must be something to be said for the AW, of course no one says 100% of the men will be happy with every AW, but thats not because she's American.

Mainly its because they weren't right for each other. She wasn't the right person for that guy, whether she had come from south america, asia, or EE. Those two people were right for each other. Period.

Being with someone "married" or not for a long time is a hard thing to do. People's ideas on things change as we grow, views and values change. So for two people to grow and keep these things in synch is a miracle in itself.

ThatGuy.[/QUOTE]

I know I had your ignored for a reason, you make no sense.

I watch TV to stay informed, I get home about 10pm every day I work, I watch my recorded content, takes about 2:45 bypassing adverts. That makes it about Midnight. What in the hell am I suppose to do? I haven't had my car since April. I don't have it anymore, the reasons why do not needed to be covered here.

When I don't work, it takes an hour to get anywhere near some friends via the bus/subway. This is not New York or Chicago or Western Europe, this is Los Angeles. You need a car for any sort of social life! Unless you wanna date some bohemian barefoot type from Santa Monica/Venice and I DON'T...

I shouldn't have to keep explaining it, I barely come into contact with workable targets. I work late intentionally, I think most people are stupid, especially when it comes to the car they drive, its an appliance to most.

I've basically thrown away going out to clubs. I don't drink, I don't belong in bars.

That doesn't leave much and your helpful suggestion is to corner the market on fat chicks????

You act like I haven't tried that "Just fuck'em and don't worry about the rest" approach. Well sorry I worry about the rest. The example CM used has happen to me. Being with somebody you kinda don't wanna be with and meeting somebody you rather be with, your stuck. I'm not a evil, nasty mean person, I can't just roll over a girl's feelings.

I personally think that men that say they can do it, honestly can't do it when confronted with it. That would mean you're an natural asshole, you shouldn't have any problems dating, you wouldn't be a member of this site, because "You don't pay for sex". I honestly think most of us here have some sort of shortcoming, we're not alpha males.

I say the common shortcoming from the looks of it, we're too nice.

AW don't register "nice" until their stock/value has gone down considerably or they have added considerable baggage. Look at any BBW single's site as I was just for YOU TG and I saw a few common themes -

1) Never Been Married

This is because no matter how much YOU wanna say its acceptable in America, its NOT and Fat Women are shunned generally as low on the desire list. I live on the West Coast, its generally not acceptable. If your in the South or Midwest, I guess because of overall lack of competition for your dick, a girl that's a bit chubby might be acceptable instead of beating your meat.

2) Wanted: High Sex Drive

It goes without saying, if your not dating, your not FUCKING. Fat Women might find it harder to get laid than even a man does in some cases. Most men just don't like fat women, if they are out clubbing with their friends, they won't do it even if it means no pussy tonight, this week, this month or this year.

Only on the total DL (Down Low) would many even consider it. For most this is a sign of desperation, they rather watch porn...

On the surface, you may be correct that somebody chubby might be a high value target. They will usually fuck WAY before the 3rd date in a effort to try and hold on to you, I know from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. When we say Women use sex as a weapon, it goes both ways. They are ready, I'd say more ready than Single Mothers to get married, especially if they found a man that totally accepts their body image, that's like striking the lottery...

If that's all we wanted TG, then most of us would be married to fat chicks and not on this forum. I mean why not if she loves you deeply because she believes you love her more for her personality than her body, it seems like a perfect storm. You get all the sex you want, on command/demand (again from personal experience) and a woman that wouldn't even CONSIDER cheating on you. Don't you think this some of the reasoning behind why some men actually prefer fat chicks?

For men their extra weight is a form of long term security.

Your suggestion is assuming (mistake number 1) that I'm just stupid. If anything I lack motivation, not intelligence, if I do say so myself. When I say I don't wanna fuck any fat chicks means I have done it before and I consider it a waste of my time.

C'mon man, I actually find it shocking that a Single White BBW isn't considering a Black Man for a serious relationship. Its fairly rare but I got a newsflash for them, unless you consider ALL your options and not just White Men you'll find yourself lonely, childless, sexless and never married, unless -

a) Loose Weight

or

b) Be Open Minded

That old stereotype of Black Men liking bigger women empowers fat women to talk to me. I have NO PROBLEM getting laid by Fat Chicks, OKAY TG you got that?

IT IS NOT WHAT I WANT, I can do better, I have done better, I want to remain on that path of success and personal glory.

You're entitled to your own opinion of course, but spending $20-60 for a skinny big titted chica is much better option that pretending to court some fat chick.

Actually for those who are considering dating fat losers, I urge you to consider skinny losers instead. Anorexics eat little and so are cheap dates. Bulimics have largely overcome the gag reflex. The benefits are obvious, and there is less collateral damage to the furniture.

Really skinny gals are also able to actually reach their butt holes to wipe properly after using the toilet, as opposed to having a disgusting collection of dingleberries and angelberries.

Hope that helps! Have a great day!!! :<)

[QUOTE=Dickhead]Actually for those who are considering dating fat losers, I urge you to consider skinny losers instead. Anorexics eat little and so are cheap dates. Bulimics have largely overcome the gag reflex. The benefits are obvious, and there is less collateral damage to the furniture.

Really skinny gals are also able to actually reach their butt holes to wipe properly after using the toilet, as opposed to having a disgusting collection of dingleberries and angelberries.

Hope that helps! Have a great day!!! :<)[/QUOTE]I think that would be the simplest thing to do, since I believe hoe's on drugs are usually skinny.

When one friend got back from prizon( his ex mother-in law got him there for sexually harassing her which was of course bullshit)

He was horny as hell. So we picked up a girl, she was standing next to a pet store in a plaza. She was probably pretty years ago, but that day her face was disgusting, obviously because of drugs.

He did not give a shit and got F/S for $25

I think it is probably better than dating a whale, at least that druggie had skinny body by North American standards. She even had somewhat nice personality.

ThatLady:
I guess that you disagree with what I've said? Again, that is the reply I expect from a woman, an AW at that who thinks too much of herself to boot.
Thank you for your opinion, however, we must agree to disagree.

I hope the economy is not affecting your bottom line. Really. I hate people wasting my efforts by being so fake, underhanded and duplicitous as you, the good ol' AW's. Of course, the time spent with friends and family IS priceless. I haven't brought that up at any time so bringing it to this discussion is a sure-fire show of desperation and ignorance on your part. Again, we must agree to disagree, my lady.

The use of profanity shows how emotional you got by what was said. You must think so very highly of yourself that you must make your point by demonstrating your grasp of the language. I am really impressed by your use of profanity to make your point :rolleyes:. All I can say is that I'm having the time of my life as we speak. How are you doing? Are you happy? Really? I know I am, very much so, thank you very much. Don't worry about how I spend my money. Trust me, there is more where that came from. The women I deal with are not interested in ruining my life, so yes that is something you must find offensive? Not fun?

My guess is that, since I cannot be ruined by your feminist agenda, I must be insulted and belittled? Think I am falling for that BS, think again. This is the happiest guy on earth you are trying to hoodwinkle, my dear, so you can try your obnoxiousness on someone who is weak and dumb. I am neither. I travel, have lots of fun and have no ball and chain to deal with. Deal with that :D

Voyajer telling the truth!

Ok Gents,

It appears from the posters my opinion/advice is not appreciated in this forum. So unless I receive/see post stating that they would like to hear thatguy's opinion. I will not post another in this forum in 2010.

If You would like thatguy to continue to post you can let him know privately or publicly. We will see if anyone appreciates my opinion.

This is a great thread and there are many points that I have been shaking my head in agreement.

"I don't pay for no pussy."

Simply put, everybody pays for pussy in some way. Even if it is just the energy you put in.

I'm a guy who is in shape, and has an ok job and thanks to the grace of god I have been blessed with the ability to entertain, and that is usually how I have found my way to a womans heart and her pussy too. I have been with alot of AW but I believe I have been rejected by a ton more. Ones that really have no business in rejecting.

With a AW it comes down to this simple rule:

You have to be aggressive and you have to not give a fuck. You will not survive in the pussy world otherwise. Every time I meet a girl I think I could really be into, I often forget this and it definitely leaves them with the power. The hottest free bees I have ever gotten, were me just being an aggressive fuck and not giving a shit if I got turned down. We are also forced in the process not to give a shit about them. As much as they claim to hate this it is unfortunately the only way to win. Frankly that sucks as I am a really nice guy and would much prefer just to make her comfortable and laugh and let her come to me. Being nice, you will often be leaving pussy on the table.

I have noticed a huge difference with the non-pros between here and Europe too. I dated a girl from Holland a few years back, and she was amazing. She was all about meeting my needs and making me feel like I was the most important guy in the room. A friend is now dating a girl from France and it is the same way. His roomate is dating a girl who is in management in Target, and she is a fat drunk who won't fuck him unless he converts to christian fundementalism.

The #1 problem with the AW is her sense of entitlement. You work for her and she controls you and shits on you, or you psychologically destroy her and you then own her. But at the same time you can then expect the "allegations" at some point because that is what that kind of love does.

I recently have been flourishing with online short term romance. I wish I could put in the profile "enjoys sport fucking" and "traveling for mongering purposes", and even "Looking for a chick that will bring hookers home for me".

A good woman is hard to find!

Ok, so I dated this one girl, and I actually had it in my head that she might be a target of value and actually made the grand mistake of "putting the puss on the pedestal". Damm, I know better.

I should have known better after our first date when she told me that even though she makes great money, that a guy should always pay for her when courting her because she is "worth it". Normally I would tell a woman at that point to fuck off, but I was really playing her game instead of mine.

We talked for about a month and there was no pussy at all. Took her out to a comedy club and she had the wall up and I knew what was coming. After a $100 night she told me bullshit and I knew that we wouldn't see each other again. The normal me knows to be aggressive and get in their pants first and ask questions later. That $100 could have been used for a hot CL date or put towards a monger vacation.

Find a piece of pussy if you can and hold onto for dear life if you desire, but you would be better off taking the $50-100 or whatever someone spends on dates and bars every week and plan a vacation where you can be a man, and don't have to make excuses.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]Actually for those who are considering dating fat losers, I urge you to consider skinny losers instead. Anorexics eat little and so are cheap dates. Bulimics have largely overcome the gag reflex. The benefits are obvious, and there is less collateral damage to the furniture.

Really skinny gals are also able to actually reach their butt holes to wipe properly after using the toilet, as opposed to having a disgusting collection of dingleberries and angelberries.

Hope that helps! Have a great day!!! :<)[/QUOTE]
Another reason why guy's should not date fat women is that these women cheat because any offer of sex from a man is seen as a good opportunity. Talk shows are filled with these fat disgusting women who cheat on fit guys stupid enough to fuck them. They usually have a distorted view of reality and call themselves big and beautiful just because some guys have a fat fetish or think that whale pussy is better than no pussy. When a fat woman cheats on a guy that guy's ego will be totally destroyed. He will have to deal with the fact that one of the least desirable women in the country cheated on his ass. That's not exactly a confidence builder.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Another reason why guy's should not date fat women is that these women cheat because any offer of sex from a man is seen as a good opportunity. Talk shows are filled with these fat disgusting women who cheat on fit guys stupid enough to fuck them. They usually have a distorted view of reality and call themselves big and beautiful just because some guys have a fat fetish or think that whale pussy is better than no pussy. When a fat woman cheats on a guy that guy's ego will be totally destroyed. He will have to deal with the fact that one of the least desirable women in the country cheated on his ass. That's not exactly a confidence builder.[/QUOTE]Oh and getting no pussy is a confidence booster.

Please,. Its better to have had and lost, then to have never had at all.

Last remark from TG. Cya

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Another reason why guy's should not date fat women is that these women cheat because any offer of sex from a man is seen as a good opportunity. Talk shows are filled with these fat disgusting women who cheat on fit guys stupid enough to fuck them. They usually have a distorted view of reality and call themselves big and beautiful just because some guys have a fat fetish or think that whale pussy is better than no pussy. When a fat woman cheats on a guy that guy's ego will be totally destroyed. He will have to deal with the fact that one of the least desirable women in the country cheated on his ass. That's not exactly a confidence builder.[/QUOTE]


My last fatty was a regular in "jamaica". However she insisted she has never mongered in her life. One night I got grossed out while banging her and I pulled out. I just couldn't go on. The mattress had a big dent in it and the room was filled with fat pussy juice. It was absolute turmoil.

I was so disgusted at myself and for her! I've had pfp in low end chongos cleaner than her.

She obviously felt weird and left. A few months later she lost a few pounds (5-7) and came by to uummm "tease me" and to be honest it worked. I could have held my nostrils and blown another load but she turned me down! Nothing is lamer than dumping an XXL and NOT being able to get it back.

I will never do a "fury fuck" on a mess like that again. It was very embarassing to have to resort to that type of sex.


*Pity fucking in america is worse than no sex at all. I'm done with it.

Sometimes you have to pick up your draws and shuffle away.

There are degrees, you can find women that consider themselves "big" because they are tall, not so much "fat", but that is increasingly rare as the term BBW was hijacked by gigantic women with thighs bigger than your torso!

I have drawn a line in the sand, so to speak.

Just say NO to Fat Chicks, WORLDWIDE....

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Ok Gents,

It appears from the posters my opinion/advice is not appreciated in this forum. So unless I receive/see post stating that they would like to hear thatguy's opinion. I will not post another in this forum in 2010.

If You would like thatguy to continue to post you can let him know privately or publicly. We will see if anyone appreciates my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Can anyone believe the arrogance of 'ThatGuy'????!!!???!!!??? Did 'he' REALLY threaten to take 'his' bat and ball and go home if the rest of us don't suck up to 'him'????

That type of attitude is only publically displayed by AWs. I agree with Voyager that 'he' is really a SHE posing as a man.

TG, you know where the door is. You how to use it. Have a nice life!

TG, don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.

Thatgurl,

Don't worry there are plenty of feminist forums on the web where your PMS will be most welcomed. Thank you for leaving us be in 2010. :D

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]C'mon TG I'm 39, I can be f'ing around anymore. As it is, I'm forced to spend who know's how much in the end to find somebody in there mid to late 20's that's willing to shack up with a young looking but still almost 40 year old man. By the time I find somebody, confirm she's the right one, all the nonsense and paperwork, I will be at least 40 if not 41 and if all goes smooth as glass, she might even pop out our first child by the time I'm 42, IF I'm lucky and TG wants me to burn up my valuable time, trolling BBW Single Sites, BBW Single's clubs and Craigslist which is full of Broken Ass Women "Ankles" just so I can fuck for free?
[/QUOTE]Dude,

I dunno what the hell you are still doing in the USA. I'm in Central Asia now. Yesterday was drinking wine in a restaurant with two girls 24 and 20 year old I'm in my mid 30s.

There were also three other women(about 30y. O. All good looking) sitting at another table and were making jelous looks at us. The funny part was when the 20y. O. Got a little drunk and starting almost fighting with her girlfriend. Because of me.

It was just a regular restaurant, regular women. There were a lot of nice slow music, one could see all the women were horny as hell also wanted to dance with you.

I visited another city for a few days. In few days I got 3 marriage propositions with some really good looking and decent girls.

After reading all this AW crap, I could only think WTF.

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Dude,

I dunno what the hell you are still doing in the USA. I'm in Central Asia now. Yesterday was drinking wine in a restaurant with two girls 24 and 20 year old I'm in my mid 30s.

There were also three other women(about 30y. O. All good looking) sitting at another table and were making jelous looks at us. The funny part was when the 20y. O. Got a little drunk and starting almost fighting with her girlfriend. Because of me.

It was just a regular restaurant, regular women. There were a lot of nice slow music, one could see all the women were horny as hell also wanted to dance with you.

I visited another city for a few days. In few days I got 3 marriage propositions with some really good looking and decent girls.

After reading all this AW crap, I could only think WTF.[/QUOTE]

Because being outside the US cost money! lol

I have the plan, it will work. I just have ONE minor detail to correct (lack of an automobile) which I hope to correct as soon as next pay period (Jan 15th). From that point I'll be able to re-start my second job and double my meager earnings. But I have reduced my bills to FOUR (recently picked up a credit card) and soon I will reduce it to three (insurance, credit card, cell phone).

I should be able to save $1,000+ a month from I hope Feb through Dec 2010. When my co-worker returns to the Philippines to visit extended family, I will go with him and when I return, he might return to my current employer but I will not.

Between Feb and June, I will be going to school for some training on renewable energies.

By Nov of this year, I will have my European Mission planned and I hope to set foot on European soil by March/April 2011.

Schengen will be dealt with in some way I haven't quite figured out yet.

I am giving myself as much time as I need to complete this mission - (6 months +)

[QUOTE=George90]Can anyone believe the arrogance of 'ThatGuy'????!!!???!!!??? Did 'he' REALLY threaten to take 'his' bat and ball and go home if the rest of us don't suck up to 'him'????

That type of attitude is only publically displayed by AWs. I agree with Voyager that 'he' is really a SHE posing as a man.

TG, you know where the door is. You how to use it. Have a nice life![/QUOTE]
I don't know you guys, I think there's a good possibility that ThatGuy865 really is a man. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've met many AMs (American Men) like him, especially when I was in college. They all said pretty much the same things as TG, and held the same post-feminist views. Some of them even took the Women's Studies classes!

Think about this, how many AM friends do you have that you openly talk about your mongering with? For me it's almost zero (1), because they will be judgemental and say the same thing TG says, "only losers pay for pussy" "I'll never pay for sex!" etc.

Hell, AMs don't even make good friends, now that I think about it. They would stab their best buddy in the back for even a mediocre piece of pussy, and when they're in relationships with AWs, they never want to hang out with you. Of course once their girfriend/wife dumps them, then they have time for their friends.

Oh great, now I'm starting to sound like a woman!

I been around a while and I never had a male friend stab me in the back over pussy. But that might be because I grew to consider pussy to be fairly fungible. It also might be because I have "Don't Fuck With Me" pretty much tattooed on my forehead.

Hanging out with a lot of mongers for a few years, I found them even less likely to engage in such shenanigans because pussy became fungible to them too. One other monger and I fucked a couple of dozen of the same women and we agreed that if we ever did not want the other to fuck someone we would just say so. He said so a very few times but I never did.

At this point I could even have a "steady girlfriend" and I would not care if she fucked the entire Bolivian Navy. Jealousy = vulnerability and not giving a shit = true empowerment.

Jealousy is a very ugly emotion and is an antiquated concept dating back to when certainty of paternity was important for crap like inheritance of titles. Fuck all that shit. Meritocracy should predominate.

It's interesting when friends come to visit and I offer my women friends to them. They will say stuff like, "Hey, your friend is really cute" and I say, "Do you want to fuck her? Because that can be arranged." Lots of times they start out being really horrified by this and lots of times they end up fucking them within a very short period of time.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]I been around a while and I never had a male friend stab me in the back over pussy. But that might be because I grew to consider pussy to be fairly fungible. It also might be because I have "Don't Fuck With Me" pretty much tattooed on my forehead.

Hanging out with a lot of mongers for a few years, I found them even less likely to engage in such shenanigans because pussy became fungible to them too. One other monger and I fucked a couple of dozen of the same women and we agreed that if we ever did not want the other to fuck someone we would just say so. He said so a very few times but I never did.

At this point I could even have a "steady girlfriend" and I would not care if she fucked the entire Bolivian Navy. Jealousy = vulnerability and not giving a shit = true empowerment.

Jealousy is a very ugly emotion and is an antiquated concept dating back to when certainty of paternity was important for crap like inheritance of titles. Fuck all that shit. Meritocracy should predominate.

It's interesting when friends come to visit and I offer my women friends to them. They will say stuff like, "Hey, your friend is really cute" and I say, "Do you want to fuck her? Because that can be arranged." Lots of times they start out being really horrified by this and lots of times they end up fucking them within a very short period of time.[/QUOTE]
I can't say that I've been that lucky. I have been stabbed in the back by American guys over pussy. However, I learned to identify the type of guys who do this and avoid associating with them. As for pussy, I see it as community property. No one person can be guaranteed sole access to it though everyone wants to believe differently. Life becomes a lot simpler once you accept the fact that what you like others will like also.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]Hanging out with a lot of mongers for a few years, I found them even less likely to engage in such shenanigans because pussy became fungible to them too. At this point I could even have a "steady girlfriend" and I would not care if she fucked the entire Bolivian Navy.[/QUOTE] Okay, but what about a country that [I]has[/I] a blue-water navy?; the

[quote]Jealousy = vulnerability and not giving a shit = true empowerment.

Jealousy is a very ugly emotion and is an antiquated concept dating back to when certainty of paternity was important for crap like inheritance of titles.[/QUOTE] It appears to me that jealousy is borne out of a combination of desire and scarcity. If it's really difficult to get another girl, or if you've "got a lot invested in the relationship" (such as children!), you're going to want to hang on to her, right? I think that kind of jealousy is hard-wired into us; getting and holding on to the best possible mate, and raising a family with her, [I]is[/I] "survival of the fittest. " And for her to get the best possible mate and hang on to him "till death do us part, " is the same.

But we aren't "playing that game" when we go out a-mongering, so I can see no proper place for jealousy in "[I]our[/I] game. " (Heaven protect me against it!)

[quote=Chocha Monger]As for pussy, I see it as community property. No one person can be guaranteed sole access to it though everyone wants to believe differently. Life becomes a lot simpler once you accept the fact that what you like others will like also.[/QUOTE]I kind of agree, but I see pussy as HER property. She may rent it to me short-term, lease it to me longer-term, or trade with me for "other valuable consideration; " but if I only paid for a pop, once I've got my pop, she's off my clock and I've got no excuse to be jealous of her next customer. (Even if he's my drinkin' buddy; while he's with her, I can always go upstairs with her girlfriend, right?)

I'd probably feel different if we had contracted to "set up housekeeping" together; but that goes well outside the mongering game, doesn't it?

[QUOTE=Ezinho]I don't know you guys, I think there's a good possibility that ThatGuy865 really is a man. I don't know about the rest of you, but I've met many AMs (American Men) like him, especially when I was in college. They all said pretty much the same things as TG, and held the same post-feminist views. Some of them even took the Women's Studies classes![/QUOTE]
Maybe, but if that's the case, his nads have been snipped off, for sure.

It's normal to have your share of tiffs with your spouse, but if your relationship with your partner is marked by constant stress and strain, your risk of heart attack increases up to 34 percent, according to a 12-year study of more than 9,000 men and women published in the Archives of Internal Medicine. Researchers found that people who reported chronic conflict in their closest relationship (which, for the majority, was with their spouse) had the highest heart disease risk. The reason: All that anger and stress triggers a flood of hormones that cause the heart to beat faster and pump harder, leading to higher blood pressure and greater wear on cardiac blood vessels. What's more, an unhappy marriage may drive you to heart-harming behaviors such as eating poorly, drinking more or smoking, says Anastasia Georgiades, Ph.D., an assistant research professor in psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Duke University School of Medicine in Durham, N.C.

How do you reconcile this with the fact that married men live longer than single men?

[QUOTE=Dickhead]How do you reconcile this with the fact that married men live longer than single men?[/QUOTE]

That's what I was was going to say, it rubs against what Ez was saying...

I think the difference is somebody cares about your well-being in general, so they tend to look out for you when you might not think of yourself until its almost too late.

You also tend to ear better meals when your married, provided your wife can cook and we all know how RARE that is these days. The next Census data will be quite telling actually to see what direction this country is going.

Furthermore I am quite sure that married men smoke and drink less so what the fuck is this b!tch talking ab out?

"smoking rates were lowest among those who are married or partnered (12.5±1.2%) compared to those never married, divorced, widowed or
separated."

[url]http://www.state.nj.us/health/as/ctcp/documents/social_disparities_in_adult_cigarette_smoking.pdf[/url]

Could not quickly find similar data on drinking but since women nag so much it's pretty intuitively obvious. I drink more now than I did when I was married because there is no one to b!tch at me about it.

I think Chocha Monger has been too heavily influenced by Meat Loaf since neither ever bothers to check their facts.

Dear Dickhead:

After your editorial review and expression of deep reservations I edited the title to read, "Marriage will give you a heart attack!" I think this will address your concerns regarding journalistic accuracy. As always, thanks for keeping Meat Loaf and I in line with your editorial oversight. ;)

Sincerely,

Chocha Monger,

ISG Senior Member

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Because being outside the US cost money! LOL

I have the plan, it will work. I just have ONE minor detail to correct (lack of an automobile) which I hope to correct as soon as next pay period (Jan 15th). From that point I'll be able to re-start my second job and double my meager earnings. But I have reduced my bills to FOUR (recently picked up a credit card) and soon I will reduce it to three (insurance, credit card, cell phone).

I should be able to save $1, 000+ a month from I hope Feb through Dec 2010. When my co-worker returns to the Philippines to visit extended family, I will go with him and when I return, he might return to my current employer but I will not.

Between Feb and June, I will be going to school for some training on renewable energies.

By Nov of this year, I will have my European Mission planned and I hope to set foot on European soil by March/April 2011.

Schengen will be dealt with in some way I haven't quite figured out yet.

I am giving myself as much time as I need to complete this mission. (6 months +)[/QUOTE]Unless you get somehow a job there, I do not think that your saved money will last long in Europe(especially Schengen countries), which also can be more(50% or so) expensive than USA. Plus additional housing expenses.

To get better value for you money, I would go to South America or SE/central Asia.

This Kim Kardashian and her sisters are the epitome of trash. Kim made a name for herself making a porno video of her and some fella, and now she is a celebrity. I was in the States and saw a show about her family, her little sister got pregnant too. If Kim's personality is typical of American women, I guess Australian women suck but still not as bad as what you get in America. American women seem to actively seek to hit new levels of ice and ***** princess.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger] As for pussy, I see it as community property. No one person can be guaranteed sole access to it though everyone wants to believe differently. Life becomes a lot simpler once you accept the fact [/QUOTE]
So true!

So don't worry about "being the only one."

[QUOTE=Member #2041]Maybe, but if that's the case, his nads have been snipped off, for sure.[/QUOTE]
He certainly has a vagina whether he was born with one or had it surgically created.

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Unless you get somehow a job there, I do not think that your saved money will last long in Europe(especially Schengen countries), which also can be more(50% or so) expensive than USA. Plus additional housing expenses.

To get better value for you money, I would go to South America or SE/central Asia.[/QUOTE]

Yep, I agree, your savings won't last long in Europe. You'll be broke before you know it. I also agree with GF that you're probably better off going to S America or SE/Central Asia.

Except for DJ is not looking for Asians or Latinas. So it's a conundrum.

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Yep, I agree, your savings won't last long in Europe. You'll be broke before you know it. I also agree with GF that you're probably better off going to S America or SE/Central Asia.[/QUOTE]Small southern city Sevastopol. 400, 000 or so.

Nice 1 room euro flat. $250 a month.

Utilities. $22 a month.

Many girls can be had for $40 to $60.

Many are FREE, but it still will be $25 (drinks, food, taxi)

Food is cheap! 2. 2 pounds of 'taters' < $1. 00

Beer, 2 liters $1. 80

You can live here cheap, if you stay out of the center and don't go to fancy

Places to eat!

Plus a 50 yr old fat fuck can fuck 20 somethings. and some are even cute!

[QUOTE=Dickhead]How do you reconcile this with the fact that married men live longer than single men?[/QUOTE]Oh, that's an easy calculation! Men who are single are more likely to commit suicide. I was reading a really interesting book on suicide ("Night Falls Fast," by Kay Redfield Jamison), and I very clearly remember her citing the research that demonstrated that single young men under 30 are more likely to commit suicide. So, one (marriage) does not cause the other (longevity). When you go to countries that have fluoride in the water, they also have higher cancer rates. But that is because countries that have enough money to dump fluoride into the water are also a bit richer (on average) and so they will have higher longevity. Cancer is a disease of longevity (this is not a bio forum, so I hope that I can make that assertion and leave it at that), and so that's why you will find more of it in countries where people live longer. But in the case of looking for longevity, you'll find the more married men-- but they are not directly related. From other books that I have read, testosterone gets lowered in men that are married (because they can get more regular sex--I read this in either "The Third Chimpanzee" or some other pop bio. title), but it is much higher in people who don't get sex as often as they want/ need. And we all know that too much testosterone is a very good way to ensure violence. It's just that in the case of suicidal people, the violence is directed against self. Or possibly into doing something else that will get a person killed.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]As for pussy, I see it as community property.[/QUOTE]

Have you ever read our greatest member (That Asshole, aka Humble Turd) on that topic?

a lot of american women and their apologists claim that they are smarter than foreign women and this is one of the reasons why many men choose to seek women from abroad. however the whole dahn yoga controversy shows that these women are anything but smart. south korean business man, ilchi lee demonstrates how easy it is not only to get laid but also get money from american women. all that is required is to declare yourself a divinity and build a business model using principles from cults. soon the money and the pussy will come flowing in. lee earns a net $1 million from his us operations alone. american women were taking out loans and running up credit card debit to pay for their own brainwashing and to keep him living a lavish lifestyle.

ilchi lee should have read the american women thread on isg before fucking some of these women though. he might have saved himself some trouble. at the least he would have learned that when an american woman regrets a sexual encounter she decides that it must have been [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. in her mind if she feels remorse about having sex then she must not have given consent. frankly, i can think of a few women i wish i never had sex with and if i thought like an aw i’d be suing them right now for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]. after all, if i regret having sex with them i must not have truly consented therefore they raped me. how could be anything else? it’s so simple.

jade harrelson, a former dahn yoga employee, claims the leaders preyed upon her ignorance about money. she paid about $40,000 to the organization. jade goes further and alleges that ilchi lee gave her the fuck of her life. on camera she said that he took her clothes off and fucked her in various positions at his apartment in seoul, korea. she claims that she just allowed him to remove her clothing and move her body into whatever configuration that pleased him as he fucked the shit out of her. she never protested verbally or resisted physically. now she says that it was a sexual assault two years later because she allowed him to fuck her at the time because she believed that he was a divine being and it would have been wrong to refuse his needs. so it was [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]!

[quote=cnn] harrelson also said lee singled her out for special attention and eventually sexually assaulted her while she was living and working in seoul, south korea.
she said she trusted lee and saw him as a father figure, eventually following him to seoul -- where, she says, he assaulted her one night in 2007 at his apartment.
"in my mind, there was no possible way i could have physically or verbally resisted him," harrelson told cnn. "to say no to him was to say no to his soul. i became numb, and so what happened, happened not at my consent."
harrelson said she never filed a police report. the first time she publicly made the allegation was when she and other former employees filed suit in early 2009.[/quote]

Not a very flattering portrayal of AW's behavior. His granddaughter obnoxious attitude in the beginning and end, or American youth overall in this flick. If Clint Eastwood has to make a point of it in a plot line, then obviously it's something to think about.

I usually date ukrainian women but when I am back home in the USA, I meet women online.

I use a different approach than most but to make a long story short, I weed out the game players and losers fairly quickly and end up meeting women who basically understand if we meet (and this is after a lot of discussion about relationships) and hit it off, most likely we are going to end up having sex sooner than later.

The interesting yet common denominator when I meet these women and we subsequently end up having sex, AW seem to be the only women who are already preoccupied with "where the relationship is going". This seems to be the prevailing mind set these women have even before meeting.

Instead of just enjoying the evening together for what it was and looking forward to the next time you get together, AW seem to always want some reassurance or always seem to want to underline every moment with the understanding that there is more than "just sex".

For instance, I recently met a woman, spent hours at her place listening to her talk for nearly 4 hours, we end up getting close, one thing leads to another and she basically leads me into her bedroom and we have sex.

The next day, I receive a very sexually explicit email telling me how many times she has masturbated since I left and she is asking will I came over this coming Saturday. She proceeded to tell me several things she wants to do and wants me to do the next time we have sex.

Everything is fine at this point but I see references in her email to the effect that "there is more to life than sex". I forgot to mention, after sex, we watched a movie on DVD afterwards. In this email she sent, she alludes to perhaps I stayed and watched the movie out of kindness or being nice.

I'd say we spent 3 hours talking, 20-30 minutes of first time sex, 30 minutes preparing an after sex pizza, 20 minutes eating it, and about an hour and a half of watching a movie.

It also was a drive of about 40 minutes one way to her house.

I pointed out that although we spent more time listening me to her talk than we had spent having sex, that she never felt the need to tell me "there is more to live than just talking"

Although we spent more time preparing something to eat, she never pointed out "there is more to life than just preparing dinner".

Although we spent more time eating than screwing, she never felt the need to tell me that "there is more to life than just eating".

Although we spent more time watching a movie, she never felt the need to tell me 'there is more to life than watching just movies"

I also pointed out that it took be longer to drive to her house each way than we spent screwing, she never felt the need to say "there is more to life than driving".

But because we had 20-30 minutes of sex, which she appeared very eager to have and to continue to have. She felt the need to tell me "there is more to life than sex". And suggest that I stayed and watched the movie just to "be nice".

I have seen this in nearly every woman I have had sex with. And, without fail, they run me off and make things so unpleasant, I do not want to return again, even if it IS just to screw them.

AW seem so preoccupied, before there has been ANY chance for ANYTHING to develop, that there HAS to be some sort of understanding that "this is more than just sex".

The women I have relations with in other countries just seem to enjoy he evening for whatever it is, and look forward to seeing each other again. With all the heaviness of "where is this going" and "there is more to life than just sex". Sex you've only had ONCE together.

Just an interesting phenomenon I experience exclusively with AW.

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This quote, from a post on another of Jackson's boards, provokes a painful comparison between the USA and many of the lands where we hunt "the sweetness (we've) been crying for." It's a kind of "wealth," if you will, that underlies the behavior of the AW. Or so I fear:

[quote]There is a basic philosophical different between Gringos and Latinos in terms of age segregation (and not just in terms of sexual possibilities) One thing I admire about the Latin culture is people are not defined by age. For example, the elderly are not "warehoused" in old-age homes, they stay with thier families (along with youger adults who in the US would be off to pursue thier independence in thier segregated young community) This I feel is a "seed" for the "ewww, he could be my father" crap we experience in the States.[/quote]In other, grimmer words, we in the USA are wealthy enough to discard our parents; to "put away" members of our own family, when it's no longer convenient to have them around.

Think about it.

This one couldn't keep her mouth shut long enough to get the f**king she wanted:

Long story short. Girl I had a history online with contacts me. We talk. She's horny. Wants some good sex.

She decides to come to my house. She calls and she is close. I ask her where she is and what direction she is going (I bet you know where this is headed).

Based on what she tells me, I give her directions peppered with landmarks. Listening to her, I can see she is going the wrong way. I have her turn around and we proceed to do the same thing, but this time it is even more confusing.

I give her more landmarks, her replies indicate she is seeing nothing that sounds right. Turns out she was going north instead of south, which is the direction she first told me she was going.

It continues to get even more confusing and she gets irritated with me. I explain to her I cannot give her directions and landmarks if I do not know where she is and which direction she is going. And, especially if that information is incorrect, there is nothing I can do to help her.

I forgot to add that she has a GPS device which she left at home, saying "I didn't think it would be this hard" (I live on a state route. It involves getting off the interstate and making NO turns). So she leaves the device that she bought to help her get somewhere at home. While making a first time trip to my home, across the river in another state.

So she continues to get aggravated with me and I have remained calm, simply telling her I cannot help her if she does not know where she is.

So she finally figures out where she is and I give her directions and landmarks and everything is fine. Until.

She drives right past, disregarding everything I just told her: "ok, you are getting close. Slow down. There are these (landmarks) and you go down a slight hill and then up a slight hill".

I ask, "where are you? ". She had driven right by, apparently ignoring detailed directions including to slow down, there is a yard light in my yard. Etc etc.

So she has to turn around again. Finally gets close. Again. And I see her from my front door. I tell her. "slow down, get in the turn lane and go left. Left left left. Now".

She responds by going " nag nag nag nag. " and I tell her, should I have said nothing so you will drive right past. Again?

This is all on our cell phones. I am telling her "just be nice, ok? ". 'I am nice" she says.

She gets in the door and I am pleasant, trying to get past the complete insanity of the situation so we can still pull off the reason she came.

So what does she do? Can she keep he mouth shut long enough to get the sex she wants? Of course not.

She goes right into "I wasn't yelling at you". (I never said she was). And I said "look, if this does not stop, we are not going to have a nice time together".

What does she do? Keeps on trying to argue with me.

I told her to "stop, keep your coat on, turn around and leave. You can't be nice or shut your mouth long enough for this to happen".

And I shut the door as soon as she was gone. Hope it hit her in the ass on the way out.

[QUOTE=Westy]This quote, from a post on another of Jackson's boards, provokes a painful comparison between the USA and many of the lands where we hunt "the sweetness (we've) been crying for." It's a kind of "wealth," if you will, that underlies the behavior of the AW. Or so I fear:

"There is a basic philosophical different between Gringos and Latinos in terms of age segregation (and not just in terms of sexual possibilities) One thing I admire about the Latin culture is people are not defined by age. For example, the elderly are not "warehoused" in old-age homes, they stay with thier families (along with youger adults who in the US would be off to pursue thier independence in thier segregated young community) This I feel is a "seed" for the "ewww, he could be my father" crap we experience in the States."

In other, grimmer words, we in the USA are wealthy enough to discard our parents; to "put away" members of our own family, when it's no longer convenient to have them around.

Think about it.[/QUOTE]That's right, and it's not only in Latin culture. Very similar stuff can be found in other parts of the world. - People stay very close to their families or live with them.

Another part of the "problem" is in the language. When you talk to a person in English, there is only one form "you". Although it is plural, it basically means I don't give a shit who I am talking to. If it's 5 y.o. or 100 y.o. - no difference.

While in Spanish and other languages there are two forms. In Colombia it was interesting to hear from one girl who is younger than me - she always talks to me with "Usted"(formal) forms of words. As she was taught to talk in a formal way to any person who is older than her. Similarly I see the same formal(polite) way of talking in FSU, mostly in Central Asia - in countries with Muslim culture.

If somebody is older than you(they can be still young people), they automatically get respect from younger people. And the more older people, more respect they get. Even though a person is very poor or whatever younger people would talk to him with respect.

In USA nobody gives a shit. Anybody can curse and yell at anybody. Respect in USA usually depends on the amount of money and/or fame.

That could be another reason why you have here this rudeness/loudness in AW(actually including many foreign women in USA too) and why AM run away from them.

If you stare at an AW, you can easily hear "WTF are you looking at?" I don't think you can hear this from a woman in Latin or Muslim countries.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]Except for DJ is not looking for Asians or Latinas. So it's a conundrum.[/QUOTE]

Oh stop, I'm going down to SA soon enough. I also have plans to go to Philippines with a co-worker at the end of 2010. I would go to China as well, I got some great tips about HK from a former manger who is Chinese.

I'm selective, not THAT selective...

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Unless you get somehow a job there, I do not think that your saved money will last long in Europe(especially Schengen countries), which also can be more(50% or so) expensive than USA. Plus additional housing expenses.

To get better value for you money, I would go to South America or SE/central Asia.[/QUOTE]

Would be considerably less if I shacked up with somebody now wouldn't it? ;)

I just don't wanna work on any European contacts until I'm closer to going, it worked well last time (Thanks the Kiev forum for that suggestion).

Job? I haven't quite worked that out yet. They are started to use protectionism quite a bit, we'll see how that happens.

Hey I would go down to SA or SEA, but do those women want me? I don't know that yet. I'll be testing the waters in SA soon enough.

[QUOTE=Freebie Sevman]Small southern city Sevastopol. 400, 000 or so.

Nice 1 room euro flat. $250 a month.

Utilities. $22 a month.

Many girls can be had for $40 to $60.

Many are FREE, but it still will be $25 (drinks, food, taxi)

Food is cheap! 2. 2 pounds of 'taters' < $1. 00

Beer, 2 liters $1. 80

You can live here cheap, if you stay out of the center and don't go to fancy

Places to eat!

Plus a 50 yr old fat fuck can fuck 20 somethings. and some are even cute![/QUOTE]

I've seen your thread and pictures, be safe Hunter. Eastern Europe is dirt cheap if you stay out of the major cities. Thumbs Up!

[QUOTE=Robert1110]I usually date ukrainian women but when I am back home in the USA, I meet women online.

The interesting yet common denominator when I meet these women and we subsequently end up having sex, AW seem to be the only women who are already preoccupied with "where the relationship is going". This seems to be the prevailing mind set these women have even before meeting.

Instead of just enjoying the evening together for what it was and looking forward to the next time you get together, AW seem to always want some reassurance or always seem to want to underline every moment with the understanding that there is more than "just sex".[/QUOTE]
I agree. I was recently trying to chat up a couple of hot, but no longer in their prime, women at a resort in Jamaica. These women (no longer girls) work in the travel business, so travel a lot, always together. Both of them were very attractive and highly desirable - to a middle-aged guy like me.

It became clear that they hoped to meet guys on trips like this, but equally clear that they weren't just going to hop into bed with some random guy (like me), it had to have the potential to turn into a relationship.

This is fucked up for so many reasons...
First, if they want relationships, they had better fish in home waters. Hooking up with guy at a tourist resort is a recipe for 'hit and run'.
Second, they have now spent years going to exotic resorts and ending up without romance, or even sex (well, they probably gave in sometimes) and just disappointment.
Third, they need to invest sexual energy into developing a relationship. Make the sex good enough and the guy might fall in love. Asking him to fall in love before sex is long odds.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I agree. I was recently trying to chat up a couple of hot, but no longer in their prime, women at a resort in Jamaica. These women (no longer girls) work in the travel business, so travel a lot, always together. Both of them were very attractive and highly desirable. To a middle-aged guy like me.

It became clear that they hoped to meet guys on trips like this, but equally clear that they weren't just going to hop into bed with some random guy (like me), it had to have the potential to turn into a relationship.

This is fucked up for so many reasons.

First, if they want relationships, they had better fish in home waters. Hooking up with guy at a tourist resort is a recipe for 'hit and run'.

Second, they have now spent years going to exotic resorts and ending up without romance, or even sex (well, they probably gave in sometimes) and just disappointment.

Third, they need to invest sexual energy into developing a relationship. Make the sex good enough and the guy might fall in love. Asking him to fall in love before sex is long odds.[/QUOTE]my bet if some native guy (you know the kind. They prowl the resorts looking for (usually) american women).

Those same women you met, if they meet a guy that 1) no one back home will know 2) they know it will lead to nothing, will go ahead a f**k the guys brains out. And when they return home to the USA, they will pretend they have never had a one night stand or sex for the sake of having sex.

Or, these same woman will f**k the alpha/lover males knowing theyare not relationship material yet when they meet a beta/provider, they will not put out. Because, afterall, he wants a relationship.

I am in my 50's and come from a small town. There was this one very good looking girl that everyone knew. Always single, not any apparent boyfriend but she had a reputation of NEVER giving it up.

Well, I come to find out that when this girl would leave town, it was a completely different story.

I found this out in an interesting way. We were good friends. So I once invited her on a road trip out west to retrieve a motorcycle I had left in CA. I even used cars from something called "AA driveaway", a place where people who move but cannot take all their cars with them. This agency will find drivers like me who will pay for the gas for the use of the car to get it to where ever it is supposed to go. Anyway, I end up with a trans am or something like that.

So as soon as we get to our first destination, she is off with a guy and I do not see her for the 2 or 3 days, and not until we are scheduled to leave and go to our next destination. It was apparent she went home with this guy and f**ked his brains out for 2-3 days straight. Then we're off to our next destination and the same thing happens. This time I got invited to the party. Lots of guys and they were all over her. I would not doubt had I not been there, she'd have done them all.

Again, I leave and I do not see her for a few days (maybe she did do them all). And we retrieve my motorcycle, find another car for the drive back. And once back at home, she is ms. Little goodie two shoes who seems like a virgin.

I told this to my brother who was friends with one of this woman's girlfriends and once he heard my story, he told me his.

This same woman, while in high school or just out, would go to florida with her girlfriend. And once there, she would disappear for the entire 2 weeks, leaving her friend to fend for herself while she is out f**king someone, the entire vacation. Her friend was upset for being left alone for the entire vacation.

Just an interesting story about how some women act. Or I would say most. At home or among people they know, they act one way. Yet when on vacation or in an environment where they are anonymous and word will not get back home. Then watch what happens.

Here's some advice.....you're wasting your time trying to pick up an unattached woman with a girlfriend in tow. It's just NOT going to happen. Stick to the single ones with no friends around and you'll make out like a bandito.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I agree. I was recently trying to chat up a couple of hot, but no longer in their prime, women at a resort in Jamaica. These women (no longer girls) work in the travel business, so travel a lot, always together. Both of them were very attractive and highly desirable - to a middle-aged guy like me.

It became clear that they hoped to meet guys on trips like this, but equally clear that they weren't just going to hop into bed with some random guy (like me), it had to have the potential to turn into a relationship.

This is fucked up for so many reasons...
First, if they want relationships, they had better fish in home waters. Hooking up with guy at a tourist resort is a recipe for 'hit and run'.
Second, they have now spent years going to exotic resorts and ending up without romance, or even sex (well, they probably gave in sometimes) and just disappointment.
Third, they need to invest sexual energy into developing a relationship. Make the sex good enough and the guy might fall in love. Asking him to fall in love before sex is long odds.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Here's some advice. You're wasting your time trying to pick up an unattached woman with a girlfriend in tow. It's just NOT going to happen. Stick to the single ones with no friends around and you'll make out like a bandito.[/QUOTE]this is spot on. "girlfriends" never want one of their friends being any less miserable than they are so if a woman even started acting like she is interested in some guy, her "girlfriend(s)" will do their best to sabotage anything good happening.

The only other possibility is if you are able to separate her from her friends and have a place just outside the resort area. Her friends will not see her going to your place.

Most of the women I get along with do not really gave any girlfriends. They know how truly rotten and backstabbing most "girlfriends" can be and are.

Isn't it amazing how universally disliked AW are? They do not even truly like each other.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I agree. I was recently trying to chat up a couple of hot, but no longer in their prime, women at a resort in Jamaica. These women (no longer girls) work in the travel business, so travel a lot, always together. Both of them were very attractive and highly desirable - to a middle-aged guy like me.

It became clear that they hoped to meet guys on trips like this, but equally clear that they weren't just going to hop into bed with some random guy (like me), it had to have the potential to turn into a relationship.

This is fucked up for so many reasons...
First, if they want relationships, they had better fish in home waters. Hooking up with guy at a tourist resort is a recipe for 'hit and run'.
Second, they have now spent years going to exotic resorts and ending up without romance, or even sex (well, they probably gave in sometimes) and just disappointment.
Third, they need to invest sexual energy into developing a relationship. Make the sex good enough and the guy might fall in love. Asking him to fall in love before sex is long odds.[/QUOTE]
The problem with trying to pick up American women in Jamaica or other Caribbean islands is that those women who are there without husbands or boyfriends have something in mind other than American men. They can have all the American men they want back home. These unattached American women in Jamaica are looking for a young, lean, muscled Mandingo with an enormous dick and an exotic accent to fuck them relentlessly all night until they tap out like Ultimate Fighting Championship contestants. Unless you fit that description you’re wasting your time approaching those women. To them you represent the old familiar paradigm back home of limited sexual access in return for financial security and life long commitment. The young Jamaican men represent the forbidden raw sexual adventures that they cannot experience back home because of societal expectations. They spent large sums of money on plane tickets and hotel resorts to live out their fantasies about the big bamboo. The locals consider them milk bottles because of their yearning to be filled in a way never quite experienced at home. They are there for the Jamaican milkman.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]The problem with trying to pick up American women in Jamaica or other Caribbean islands is that those women who are there without husbands or boyfriends have something in mind other than American men. They can have all the American men they want back home. These unattached American women in Jamaica are looking for a young, lean, muscled Mandingo with an enormous dick and an exotic accent to fuck them relentlessly all night until they tap out like Ultimate Fighting Championship contestants. Unless you fit that description you’re wasting your time approaching those women. To them you represent the old familiar paradigm back home of limited sexual access in return for financial security and life long commitment. The young Jamaican men represent the forbidden raw sexual adventures that they cannot experience back home because of societal expectations. They spent large sums of money on plane tickets and hotel resorts to live out their fantasies about the big bamboo. The locals consider them milk bottles because of their yearning to be filled in a way never quite experienced at home. They are there for the Jamaican milkman.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree more. Western Women are not going to the Caribbean to see the culture. Anybody that tells you that shit is lying through their teeth. They are going to party and have a good time without the fear of backlash for their activities.

CM, absolutely true. I remember years ago in Turks & Caicos when we went scuba diving and asked the instructor about any possibilities, he told us the same thing, the local girls are (at least maybe then) pretty tough, and as for the vacationers, good luck. They were there to taste hot Caribbean cock and had no time or interest for any Canuck that they could always bang back home.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I couldn't agree more. Western Women are not going to the Caribbean to see the culture. Anybody that tells you that shit is lying through their teeth. They are going to party and have a good time without the fear of backlash for their activities.[/QUOTE]

American women tend to become wild when you get them outside their normal lives, though I think Europeans can also let go when on vacation. Ever see upstanding nice girls from the Midwest in Mexico for Spring Break? They turn into total wild sex machines, but when their vacation is over, it's back to classes or the library or hospital where they work.

[QUOTE=One Eyed Man]American women tend to become wild when you get them outside their normal lives, though I think Europeans can also let go when on vacation. Ever see upstanding nice girls from the Midwest in Mexico for Spring Break? They turn into total wild sex machines, but when their vacation is over, it's back to classes or the library or hospital where they work.[/QUOTE]

You mean on major college campuses? Save for he dudes that couldn't get laid in a *****house, college chicks especially freshmen tend to get in a cycle of parties, drinking and sex.

Nurses tend to keep strange hours because of their work schedule, I've met one or two at swingers parties.

But point taken...

[quote=westy]this quote, from a post on another of jackson's boards, provokes a painful comparison between the usa and many of the lands where we hunt "the sweetness (we've) been crying for." it's a kind of "wealth," if you will, that underlies the behavior of the aw. or so i fear:

in other, grimmer words, we in the usa are wealthy enough to discard our parents; to "put away" members of our own family, when it's no longer convenient to have them around.

think about it.[/quote]
westy:

the gross out factor that american chicks have when it comes to older men is part instinctive and part cultural. in the wild female animals will often shun older mates because they are more likely to be diseased and weak. this is particularly true in species where the male helps in the rearing of the young or maintains territory with resources needed for survival. in america children remain with their parents until at least 18 yrs of age and if they go to college they can leech off their parents’ resources well into their early twenties. so a male in his fifties is not exactly an appealing mate to a girl 18-24 yrs old. he can die or become infirm leaving her with the burden of raising his offspring on her own or while caring for him too.

american culture rejects anything old or used. youthfulness is worshipped and new models of everything are quickly bought up. cell phones are changed each year and cars are traded in for new models every 2 to 3 years. if you’re 5 yrs older than an american chick she will consider you old and out of touch with whatever current fads her peer group is preoccupied with at the moment. if you’re actually old enough to be her dad the thought of associating with you in under any unchaste circumstances will be revolving to her. i don’t think american women are grossed out by older family members but they are grossed out by anyone 7 yrs older than they are who wants to fuck them. of course, if you’re very rich and loose with your money it could help overcome the ewww pervert factor.

Today I got an email promoting a group for 30+ year old men("Pups") to date 50+year old women("Panthers") in NYC. How desperate some people must be getting in NYC in order to do that.

I'm not an expert in English, but isn't it some kinda offensive or just fucked up for a 30+ year old man to be called a "PUP"?

In any case I'm sticking to 18-28 year old women,

Also find this shit funny:

Meetup.com/Panthers-and-Pups

Meetup topics

Singles, Singles 30's-50's, Socializing with other Singles over 50., Wingman, Single Men Over 35, Younger Men Dating Older Women, Single Moms, Single Parents, Newly Single Women 40+

Welcome to an unique concept of sophisticated women in their 50's that prefer exciting young men in their 30's.

Ladies to join this group, you will have to successful, accomplished, independent and attractive.

Gentleman, to join this group you will have to be well groomed, well dressed and well spoken.

If you meet the criteria and are looking for companionship or romantic interludes, then this group is for you.

[QUOTE=Dickhead]I been around a while and I never had a male friend stab me in the back over pussy. But that might be because I grew to consider pussy to be fairly fungible. It also might be because I have "Don't Fuck With Me" pretty much tattooed on my forehead.

Hanging out with a lot of mongers for a few years, I found them even less likely to engage in such shenanigans because pussy became fungible to them too. One other monger and I fucked a couple of dozen of the same women and we agreed that if we ever did not want the other to fuck someone we would just say so. He said so a very few times but I never did.

At this point I could even have a "steady girlfriend" and I would not care if she fucked the entire Bolivian Navy. Jealousy = vulnerability and not giving a shit = true empowerment.

Jealousy is a very ugly emotion and is an antiquated concept dating back to when certainty of paternity was important for crap like inheritance of titles. Fuck all that shit. Meritocracy should predominate.

It's interesting when friends come to visit and I offer my women friends to them. They will say stuff like, "Hey, your friend is really cute" and I say, "Do you want to fuck her? Because that can be arranged." Lots of times they start out being really horrified by this and lots of times they end up fucking them within a very short period of time.[/QUOTE]
There are basically two classes of mongers. The first class consists of mongers who can get pussy via convention relationship and avenues but for some reason chooses to monger out of convenience or desire for variety. The second monger consists of mongers who cannot get pussy via conventional means due to a number of reasons. Some reasons may be difficulty interacting with others, ugliness, age, obesity, financial failure, low social status, perversion, poor person hygiene, abusiveness, habitual drunkenness, and being lame in general. These are the kinds of guys that show girls their photos on ISG and tell them who gave out their contact information. They’re pathetic creatures who really, really want women to love them. That these women are prostitutes being paid to do a job doesn’t matter to them. Even the illusion of female affection is good enough for them. They will even stab the person who helped them get the pussy in the back and think nothing of it. Think about some of the unsavory creatures you see prowling the crack infested streets looking to score some pussy off a crack head, or some of the guys that make the sex offender’s registry for more than just soliciting. A lot of long time board members tell horror stories about having met mongers from the second category.

CM, I don't believe that mongers can so easily be divided into two distinct groups. It's more of a continuum, with a fair amount of commonality among all mongers. Another way to interpret "desire for variety" would be to call it "sex addiction", very much in the class of behaviors with drunks and other addicts. In my view the only difference among mongers is those with or without personality disorders, as in anti-social or narcissistic personality disorder. An example of that would be posting an action photo with the caption "Here I'm fucking her hard in the ass. Look at her pained expression. Funny, huh?"

I find it humorous "conventional wisdom" dictates that guys monger because they can't get it or that it's too much of a hassle any other way. In the US it is a pain either way, while in many parts of the world it's relatively easy to get it in any manner. It's no coincidence that in many of the so-called mongering paradises - Asia, Eastern Europe, Latin America - I've gotten plenty of high quality pussy for free from high class professional women including a recent (previously) virgin from South America, with none of the complicated BS I get from AW.

[QUOTE=Zingadoon]Nothing here to disagree with. Only thing that I'll never understand is why some guys ride a plane halfway around the world only to choose to pay a fat, old or ugly thing to have sex with them? It's like it is a sub-conscious urge to select something that is similar to what they'd be getting at home. Everyone has no doubt at one time or another seen this phenomena. To me, this proves the point that experience with AW has you conditioned to accept something sub-standard. And that's sad. Shouldn't be that way.[/QUOTE]
American men don’t discard years of socialization and beliefs just because they visit or become residents of other countries. They keep behaving in much the same way they did at home. In fact, they are more likely to change their new environment than the other way around. Take a look at some areas abroad that have a large American expat population and large numbers of American tourists. San Jose, Costa Rica, for example, was once a monger’s paradise with cheap sex and friendly girls. As the expat community grew and tourists over ran the place there were more and more guys letting their wallets do the talking as is the custom in America. It wasn’t long before the prices and the attitudes of the girls became similar to what is found in the US. All the familiar fast food restaurants that Americans crave while abroad sprang up and began to change the girls’ figures to the more ample porcine form common to females in the States. The American love for big tits also meant more of the girls started getting silicone enhanced chests. Many guys even pay for these “bolt on” abominations. Most of the guys showing up were beta males who didn’t get much, if any, pussy at home. The girls quickly learned that they would cave in to their demands and jacked the prices up. The large population of beta males who were easy prey meant more of the girls who showed up in the bars were cold and efficient sharks.

So in a sense the guys are subconsciously creating the same situations that they left behind at home. In fact, they never really left it behind because they carry it around inside of them. When you see a guy paying for a root with a hooker who is blind, crippled or crazy it’s because he has done so his entire life. The fact that he got on a plane is not going to change his behavior. Just look at the number of guys who catch Pretty Woman Syndrome and marry hookers or put them on generous monthly Western Union stipends.

There is only one kind of man who pays for sex- men who like sex. The mongers of the world are just a reflection of the general male population between the ages of puberty and senility. Some are nice, relatively decent guys. Some are sociopaths. Some may normally have trouble getting laid or may be going through a dry spell. Some may get laid all the time for "free" but go to the prostitutes anyway. Some are poor. Some are multi-billionaires. Some are (otherwise) law-abiding. Some are career criminals. Some are young. Some are old.

Basically any man who likes to have sex with other people can be a monger.

[QUOTE=Zingadoon]

Nothing here to disagree with. Only thing that I'll never understand is why some guys ride a plane halfway around the world only to choose to pay a fat, old or ugly thing to have sex with them? It's like it is a sub-conscious urge to select something that is similar to what they'd be getting at home. Everyone has no doubt at one time or another seen this phenomena. To me, this proves the point that experience with AW has you conditioned to accept something sub-standard. And that's sad. Shouldn't be that way.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Chocha Monger]San Jose, Costa Rica, for example, was once a monger's paradise with cheap sex and friendly girls. As the expat community grew and tourists over ran the place there were more and more guys letting their wallets do the talking as is the custom in America. It wasn't long before the prices and the attitudes of the girls became similar to what is found in the US.

So in a sense the guys are subconsciously creating the same situations that they left behind at home. In fact, they never really left it behind because they carry it around inside of them. When you see a guy paying for a root with a hooker who is blind, crippled or crazy it's because he has done so his entire life. The fact that he got on a plane is not going to change his behavior. Just look at the number of guys who catch Pretty Woman Syndrome and marry hookers or put them on generous monthly Western Union stipends.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's extremely sad. I have also noticed in Brazil and Colombia some gringos hanging out with some substandard women. I was kinda stunned to see a gringo sitting with a fat ugly Brazilean girl in a Copacabana restaurant. Why travel half the world for that? Also around the now shutdown disco Help, whiile there are were many stunning girls, there were also a bunch of nasty skunks, meaning that some people would take them as well. I guess they would be cheaper.

The problem is that it gives girls bad message. Now they know that even ugly girls can get attention and money from gringos. So there is not much incentive to take care about themselves. Simply what is happening a lot in the USA.

Some guys love ugly girls. They may be surrounded by hundreds of beautiful girls but they will always zero in on the girl that looks like she was beaten with an ugly stick and then mauled by a snow leopard. The concept of a guy actually preferring ugly girls over girls with the face of a beauty queen and the curves of an hour glass seems counterintuitive but let us examine that a little closer.

If a guy is in great shape, handsome and loves getting attention what better way to attract stares than being seen publicly in romantic situations with the ugliest girl he can find? The pretty girls are definitely going to stare at this apparent mismatch. And they are certainly going to wonder what she has that they do not. They will think that the guy is really in love and might want that kind of blind love for themselves. After all, women know that beauty and youth are as fleeting as cherry blossoms. Ironically, the key to being desired by many beautiful women might be to simply love the fattest most hideous woman you can find.

Many older guys want the illusion of being loved by a younger woman. For them it is all about the girlfriend experience. In a paid sex situation a beautiful woman is less likely to waste her time providing fantasies when she can make tricks come as fast as possible then move on to the next paying customer. An ugly girl will not have this kind of volume so selling the fantasy of a younger girlfriend for a bigger pay off in the form of gifts and tips is a better strategy. You will hear many tricks say that if a girl is a 9 in looks on a scale from 1 to 10 her attitude when it comes to servicing them will be anything but a girlfriend experience. So if you want to feel loved it best to pick out the chick that looks like Quasimodo’s sister from the line up and take a pass on Esmeralda.

Ugly girls aim to please. They try harder to make you happy and best of all they do not have an ego. American guys learn from an early age that if they want to score they are better off taking Miss Butter Face to the dance because they will be lucky to even get a peck on the cheek at the end of the night from Miss Hot Thing. Miss Butter Face will sometimes have a smoking body open to exploration and penetration. A practical guy would much rather enjoy some satisfying doggy style sex in the back seat of a Chevy with Miss Face instead of going back home alone to a frantic solitary masturbation session before the scent of Miss Thing’s perfume fades away.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]... In a paid sex situation a beautiful woman is less likely to waste her time providing fantasies when she can make tricks come as fast as possible then move on to the next paying customer. An ugly girl will not have this kind of volume so selling the fantasy of a younger girlfriend for a bigger pay off in the form of gifts and tips is a better strategy. You will hear many tricks say that if a girl is a 9 in looks on a scale from 1 to 10 her attitude when it comes to servicing them will be anything but a girlfriend experience. So if you want to feel loved it best to pick out the chick that looks like Quasimodo’s sister from the line up and take a pass on Esmeralda.

Ugly girls aim to please. They try harder to make you happy and best of all they do not have an ego....[/QUOTE]CM,

From my experience it is not the case. I cannot see direct dependency of the quality of service on the girls' ugliness. I got some of the worst service from ugly USA and Canada hookers. And the best service from very beautiful(8-9-10 looks) Brazilian, Czech, Slovak, Russian, and Colombian girls. It more depends on the particular girl, her mood, personality, culture, environment, your personal connection with her and money. Of course some beauties are not good, but I would still risk and go for a beauty hoping she is good than doing an ugly one only to regret about it later anyway.

A cute sounding chicana I regularly deal with over the phone has invited me to have lunch with her next time I'm in San Diego.

She has a voice from the heavens. Unfortunately, to me that often is a fishing lure to get an ugly one. Potentially fat.

Been trying to search images of her on-line, but no luck. I'd probably rather keep her as a working colleague than worry that she'll hate me for life if I stick her and leave.

The days of innocently exploring trim seems to have dwindled. It's always lease to buy for them.

HAHAHAH dickhead you said basically EXACTLY what I just said in the Morality thread...

I think the main reason Americans wind up with the low hanging fruit abroad is that their perception simply lacks. My standards in the year and a half I have been here in Colombia have gone WAY up from where they were previously. I had a hard time even finding a girl in NY that I wanted to look twice at the last time I was up a few weeks ago. I've gone very much native in that regard now.
I'm also a lot pickier about my own self. I never would have dreamed to have been in such good shape again, but I want to be even better, because here the bar is just higher, for men AND for women. I can get laid here, but if I really want that smoking hot girl that looked like she just stepped out of a magazine, I need to step up!

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]CM,

From my experience it is not the case. I cannot see direct dependency of the quality of service on the girls' ugliness. I got some of the worst service from ugly USA and Canada hookers. And the best service from very beautiful(8-9-10 looks) Brazilian, Czech, Slovak, Russian, and Colombian girls. It more depends on the particular girl, her mood, personality, culture, environment, your personal connection with her and money. Of course some beauties are not good, but I would still risk and go for a beauty hoping she is good than doing an ugly one only to regret about it later anyway.[/QUOTE]

I think CM is correct with respect to AW or foreign women living in the U.S.

I passed this on for your education. So some could learn about gradification to stick with AW, not relocation they have class and sophistication will please you all night til ejaculation.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/ap_on_bi_ge/us_marriage_economics[/url]

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,394561,00.html[/url]

[url]http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200407/secrets-married-men[/url]

just a paragraph from the last link:

"In general, extramarital sex is not as good as marital sex. On average, married couples have more sex than any other group. The bottom line is affairs can be prevented. It's all in the choices you make."

Sorry I had to add this one last post ... Mr Thatguy

Big boobs make men stupid. Recent research proves That Asshole was right when he said talking to and spending time with women can make men stupid.

[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6132718/Men-lose-their-minds-speaking-to-pretty-women.html[/url]

Chocha Monger's posts are superb which is why he's a ISG Legend!

It seems like our favorite American woman supporter is back after throwing a hissy fit and declaring that he/she had made his/her last post. What was the purpose of this reappearance? Surprise, surprise! It was to tell us that American women are not that bad. In fact, they are the best women for us. Apparently, American men don’t have the good sense to judge for themselves so we need him/her to tell us just what is best for us in true American woman fashion. This personality tells us to stay home, grin and bear it while he/she goes off to Angeles City, Philippines to have gratuitous sex with cheap prostitutes. Still we are to take as gospel his/her statement that extramarital sex is not as good as marital sex. “Do as I say, not as I do!” typical American woman talking.

Apparently, those tight little Asian pussies must be quite satisfying for extramarital sex because I doubt Dr Phyllis would pay the airfare and suffer the long flight there to engage in it if they were not. What happened to all the wonderful American women here at home? Then in a stroke of slyness only an American woman can manage, Dr Phyllis posted an excerpt from an article but doesn’t tell the whole story. Here is what you didn’t see.

“Marriage also lowers men's health risk, while divorce raises the risk of death by 200 percent for men.”

Well, thank you very much. I’m sure guys are just dying to get married because they may or may not get more frequent sex. Of course, let’s forget that there is a very good chance that they’ll get divorced and raise their risk of death by 200 percent. So at best they take a gamble on getting a little more sex of dubious quality with a 50 percent chance of increasing their odds of dying by 200 percent. It seems to me that smart guys would just pass on this deal altogether.

I must have missed the thread where guys are raving about how better the marital sex gets as the ravages of time and childbirth take their toll on their wives’ bodies. After all, nothing makes one’s dick hard as a well birthed pussy, sagging mammaries, stretch marks and cellulite.

how wrong you are... not all women age well but many do hence the milf phenomenon and the cougar phenomenon.
i would take a hot milf with big jugs over a skinny 18-yo any day of the week.
sure i would take an 18-yo with big jugs over a milf with small jugs, because even if she doesn't know what she's doing i do.
of course extramarital sex is much better.
even if the instance of extramarital sex in question is not as good as the marital sex, it is MORe sex and more sex is always better.
but you can't get extramarital sex without being married or without fucking a married woman.
so marriage is the key element of extramarital sex and without being married or fucking a married woman you will never enjoy extramarital sex.
take some time to analyze the logic in these statements before making your non sequitur.
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]It seems like our favorite American woman supporter is back after throwing a hissy fit and declaring that he/she had made his/her last post. What was the purpose of this reappearance? Surprise, surprise! It was to tell us that American women are not that bad. In fact, they are the best women for us. Apparently, American men don’t have the good sense to judge for themselves so we need him/her to tell us just what is best for us in true American woman fashion. This personality tells us to stay home, grin and bear it while he/she goes off to Angeles City, Philippines to have gratuitous sex with cheap prostitutes. Still we are to take as gospel his/her statement that extramarital sex is not as good as marital sex. “Do as I say, not as I do!” typical American woman talking.

Apparently, those tight little Asian pussies must be quite satisfying for extramarital sex because I doubt Dr Phyllis would pay the airfare and suffer the long flight there to engage in it if they were not. What happened to all the wonderful American women here at home? Then in a stroke of slyness only an American woman can manage, Dr Phyllis posted an excerpt from an article but doesn’t tell the whole story. Here is what you didn’t see.

“Marriage also lowers men's health risk, while divorce raises the risk of death by 200 percent for men.”

Well, thank you very much. I’m sure guys are just dying to get married because they may or may not get more frequent sex. Of course, let’s forget that there is a very good chance that they’ll get divorced and raise their risk of death by 200 percent. So at best they take a gamble on getting a little more sex of dubious quality with a 50 percent chance of increasing their odds of dying by 200 percent. It seems to me that smart guys would just pass on this deal altogether.

I must have missed the thread where guys are raving about how better the marital sex gets as the ravages of time and childbirth take their toll on their wives’ bodies. After all, nothing makes one’s dick hard as a well birthed pussy, sagging mammaries, stretch marks and cellulite.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Then in a stroke of slyness only an American woman can manage, Dr Phyllis posted an excerpt from an article but doesn’t tell the whole story. Here is what you didn’t see.

“Marriage also lowers men's health risk, while divorce raises the risk of death by 200 percent for men.”[/QUOTE]Well, don't forget that studies show that marriage appeared to reduce a man’s risk of developing health problems by more than 10 percent. Only 10%! If the divorce rate is 50%, it seems like marriage raises men's risk of death by 95%.

let me put it in a simple way. If an investment broker tells you that you have 50% chance to get 10% more money back while 50% chance to lost not only your initial investment but same amount $ more from your savings/401k or whatever accounts you have, will you kick him out? However, when facing the similiar statistics with marriage in mind and pu**y in sight, a lot of guys say "yes, I do." Maybe men are stupid.

btw, the divorce rate is much higher than 50%.

50% percent of first marriages, 67% of second and 74% of third marriages end in divorce, according to Jennifer Baker of the Forest Institute of Professional Psychology in Springfield, Missouri.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]It seems like our favorite American woman supporter is back after throwing a hissy fit and declaring that he/she had made his/her last post. What was the purpose of this reappearance? Surprise, surprise! It was to tell us that American women are not that bad. In fact, they are the best women for us. This personality tells us to stay home, grin and bear it while he/she goes off to Angeles City, Philippines to have gratuitous sex with cheap prostitutes. Still we are to take as gospel his/her statement that extramarital sex is not as good as marital sex. “Do as I say, not as I do!” typical American woman talking.

Apparently, those tight little Asian pussies must be quite satisfying for extramarital sex because I doubt Dr Phyllis would pay the airfare and suffer the long flight there to engage in it if they were not. What happened to all the wonderful American women here at home? .[/QUOTE]Cm,

Let me clarify one thing. I have NEVER stated one time that it isn't fun to monger overseas. Yes I participate, but the MAJOR difference is I also APPRECIATE AW. I still date/pursue/fuck AW. They are my bread and butter. Just one might love strawberry ice cream. Just because they eat vanilla or choclate sometimes doesn't mean they stopped loving strawberry.

I relate to AW better, culturally. No explanation is needed with coloquialisms. I don't have to breakdown every expression. I know communication is probably not important to some on this forum. Its strictly about bustin a nut and moving on. But I also like to enjoy a womans company, which includes communicating.

Oh, oh! I think I fucked up and died because the last time I checked this site was called International Sex Guide, not American Bride. It must be a conspiracy. Some guys on ISG must be divorce attorneys. They try so hard to convince me that American women are the best for me. Get married, have kids, get divorced then live a life full of remorse. Get dragged through divorce court, the judge fucks you over and you get your salad tossed. Pay alimony and child support if not in this economy there is always the penitentiary. You cower at the sound of approaching feet because Big Bob is there to kick in your teeth, and serve up steaming cock meat. You’re suicidal after the treat and your own kids call you deadbeat. No thanks man! Keep promoting American women all that you can, but they will never be part of my plan.

fuck marrage. i agree i have traveled extensively and my world is big. AW are generally not good enough for me. leave AW for the boring stiffs that don't travel, and think they don't pay for it. never been married never will. fuck that guy!!!! CM is way right and this IS ISG, no?

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Oh, oh! I think I fucked up and died because the last time I checked this site was called International Sex Guide, not American Bride. It must be a conspiracy. Some guys on ISG must be divorce attorneys. They try so hard to convince me that American women are the best for me. Get married, have kids, get divorced then live a life full of remorse. Get dragged through divorce court, the judge fucks you over and you get your salad tossed. Pay alimony and child support if not in this economy there is always the penitentiary. You cower at the sound of approaching feet because Big Bob is there to kick in your teeth, and serve up steaming cock meat. You’re suicidal after the treat and your own kids call you deadbeat. No thanks man! Keep promoting American women all that you can, but they will never be part of my plan.[/QUOTE]

I spent my twenties and my thirties dreaming that there might be a woman who would "be my other half, " who would cleave unto me and make my life whole and complete and happy. I spent my thirties and forties learning why this would be impossible in the USA. Now, at 55, all I can see here is "Get a wife, give up on having a life. "

My conviction is that no AM less than 10 years older and 50 pounds heavier than me would think I was worth even the time of day. OTOH, there have been enough girls in Southern Cone who acted as if I could be a worthy catch.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]I passed this on for your education. So some could learn about gradification to stick with AW, not relocation they have class and sophistication will please you all night til ejaculation.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100119/ap_on_bi_ge/us_marriage_economics[/url]

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,394561,00.html[/url]

[url]http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200407/secrets-married-men[/url]

just a paragraph from the last link:

"In general, extramarital sex is not as good as marital sex. On average, married couples have more sex than any other group. The bottom line is affairs can be prevented. It's all in the choices you make."

Sorry I had to add this one last post ... Mr Thatguy[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oh Ya Papi]fuck marrage. I agree I have traveled extensively and my world is big. AW are generally not good enough for me. Leave AW for the boring stiffs that don't travel, and think they don't pay for it. Never been married never will. Fuck that guy! CM is way right and this IS ISG, no?[/QUOTE]I believe this is the OPINION Thread about AMERICAN Women. It doesn't BASHING American Women. But Opinions on AW. You got yours. Others have there's. What is good for you, doesn't make it good for others.

I completely disagree with your statement. Why would anyone talk highly of a group of women that do mostly harm to us men? AW spend hours upon hours talking nonsense about how men mistreat them, ignore them, take them for granted, and so on. Guess what? There are always two sides to any story: Hers and HIS. You have a lot of women advocates out there with a one sided approach to all relationship problems, just watch daytime TV and take your pick. Is there anyone speaking out or defending the men? Of course not!!!
So please, this is one of the few places on this planet where we can speak relatively freely about how we feel about the imbalance in all relationships. This is one of the few places where men can express their opinions without being suffocated by the pro-AW world. So if a guy has to BASH a few women to get his point accross, please, let them be. We have no other choice. Again, welcome back to the forum.
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]I believe this is the OPINION Thread about AMERICAN Women. It doesn't BASHING American Women. But Opinions on AW. You got yours. Others have there's. What is good for you, doesn't make it good for others.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]I completely disagree with your statement. Why would anyone talk highly of a group of women that do mostly harm to us men? AW spend hours upon hours talking nonsense about how men mistreat them, ignore them, take them for granted, and so on. Guess what? There are always two sides to any story: Hers and HIS. You have a lot of women advocates out there with a one sided approach to all relationship problems, just watch daytime TV and take your pick. Is there anyone speaking out or defending the men? Of course not!

So please, this is one of the few places on this planet where we can speak relatively freely about how we feel about the imbalance in all relationships. This is one of the few places where men can express their opinions without being suffocated by the pro-AW world. So if a guy has to BASH a few women to get his point accross, please, let them B. We have no other choice. Again, welcome back to the forum.[/QUOTE]Voyajer1,

Now that was the first rational statement I have read about this forum and I must agree, you are right. I don't want you guys to think that I'm an advocate for Marriage or even an AW advocate. I monger myself as Chocha as so eloquently stated previously. I've been to some of the best locales, Rio, PI, Thailand, CR, Colombia, HK, Tijuana, Europe, and several times each. Maybe I was too strong of an advocate for the AW.

Its only that I do still date and chase AW and still have and had many enjoyable relationships. So when I read this thread and NO one mentioned ANY of the positives of AW, and this is an opinion thread. I wanted to share a another point of view and let guys know they could have positive experiences like myself. But, As you say, There are plenty of avenues for a guy to hear the virtues of AW and If you guys want a sanctuary where you can vent. So be it and I will respect that.

Thatguy. "mongering to the day I die".

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]
So please, this is one of the few places on this planet where we can speak relatively freely about how we feel about the imbalance in all relationships. This is one of the few places where men can express their opinions without being suffocated by the pro-AW world. So if a guy has to BASH a few women to get his point accross, please, let them be. We have no other choice. Again, welcome back to the forum.[/QUOTE]

Jackson has created one of the few places, worldwide, where males can host their own "rooster session" just as AW do on numerous television programs, magazines, websites, radio media, etcetera.

The difference is, when the AW or another "b*tch made male" learns of your ISG affiliation you will be labeled as a "woman hater" or some other male person possessing the desire to exploit females and shun your male responsibilities.

It takes courage and a real sense of self to post on ISG. Do you lurkers agree?

[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]Jackson has created one of the few places, worldwide, where males can host their own "rooster session" just as AW do on numerous television programs, magazines, websites, radio media, etcetera.

The difference is, when the AW or another "b*tch made male" learns of your ISG affiliation you will be labeled as a "woman hater" or some other male person possessing the desire to exploit females and shun your male responsibilities.

It takes courage and a real sense of self to post on ISG. Do you lurkers agree?[/QUOTE]Only losers post here - those who pay for sex. The real men never pay for sex, they get it for free all the time:)

BTW, do you know what some people in other countries think about AW?

From a recent post on a Russian forum, translated from Russian: "Yesterday I saw a beauty(in Russia), but did not talk to her. But if I was in USA it would be much easier to get a girl. In USA girls are much more into sex. If she likes you then you have sex right away, no formalities."

I wonder where they get these ideas, maybe Hollywood?

ThatGuy865 here's an AW you might want to seek out and marry. Spurned mistress put's up billboard notices of affair in NY, Atlanta and San Francisco.

[QUOTE]SAN FRANCISCO - A co-president of software maker Oracle acknowledges he had an affair with a woman he was shown snuggling with on billboards in New York, Atlanta and San Francisco.

Charles Phillips released a statement Thursday about his relationship with YaVaughnie Wilkins after blogs went abuzz over the mysterious billboards.

The statement says he had an "8½ year serious relationship" with Wilkins but it has ended, and his divorce proceedings began in 2008

[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35014860/?gt1=43001#35009157[/url] [/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]
Its only that I do still date and chase AW and still have and had many enjoyable relationships. So when I read this thread and NO one mentioned ANY of the positives of AW, and this is an opinion thread. I wanted to share a another point of view and let guys know they could have positive experiences like myself. But, As you say, There are plenty of avenues for a guy to hear the virtues of AW and If you guys want a sanctuary where you can vent. So be it and I will respect that.

Thatguy. "mongering to the day I die".[/QUOTE]

Levi Johnston became the latest casualty of American pussy when he miscalculated the last pump and dumped his cum in Bristol Palin’s guts instead of pulling out on schedule. Now, Levi is being sued for $1,750 per month in child support before he is even old enough to legally enjoy an alcoholic beverage. The amount being demanded is not peanuts by any means. Americans making minimum wage only earn about $15,080 annually before taxes. Bristol is seeking $21,000 annually in child support. As a high school dropout Levi will have a hard time coming up the amount demanded. One errant cum shot will cost him 18 to 21 years of heartache for a child he has difficulty seeing and some pussy he no longer has access to. He can now add debt prison along with high school dropout on his list of handicaps as he tries to scratch out a meager living over the next two decades.

The trouser snake and the American panty beaver often share a mutual attraction initially but after an undetermined period of time they will resort to fighting. Often times the trouser snake suffers the worse end of the encounter given the fact that the legal environment favors the beaver and gives it a greater advantage. Owners of trouser snakes should keep them well away from American panty beavers to avoid potential stress, conflict and financial liability.

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]Only losers post here - those who pay for sex. The real men never pay for sex, they get it for free all the time:)

BTW, do you know what some people in other countries think about AW?

From a recent post on a Russian forum, translated from Russian: "Yesterday I saw a beauty(in Russia), but did not talk to her. But if I was in USA it would be much easier to get a girl. In USA girls are much more into sex. If she likes you then you have sex right away, no formalities."

I wonder where they get these ideas, maybe Hollywood?[/QUOTE]Goga,

The reality of it is. If you are a foreigner in any country you will get laid. Thats just the way it is, women love a foreign accent, also a foreigner is automatically going to be different, culturally, and at first those things seem cute and funny to a woman. So foreigners who come to the USA have the same experience AM have going abroad. Each thinks they have found the land of milk and honey.

It's completely insane $1,750 monthly child support for an infant. She shouldn't get more than three hundred and still have change for unexpected expenses. She's living at home with her now wealthy author Mom, right?

Judges whom approve these filings should be removed from the bench imho. They are responsible for fleecing of American men approving exuberant child support amounts totally out of reality.

Have you heard about the woman in FL. whom tried to kill her husband of 6 months on three occasions? She unknowingly hired an undercover LEO to do the crime. She was charged with attempted murder. Her husband filed for divorce plus requested her name removed from their condo deed. A couple of days ago, the judge said no. There are more details to this story I am not telling but these are the basic facts. Again a judge whom is not responding to the reality of the situation.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Levi Johnston became the latest casualty of American pussy when he miscalculated the last pump and dumped his cum in Bristol Palin’s guts instead of pulling out on schedule. Now, Levi is being sued for $1,750 per month in child support before he is even old enough to legally enjoy an alcoholic beverage. The amount being demanded is not peanuts by any means. Americans making minimum wage only earn about $15,080 annually before taxes. Bristol is seeking $21,000 annually in child support. As a high school dropout Levi will have a hard time coming up the amount demanded. One errant cum shot will cost him 18 to 21 years of heartache for a child he has difficulty seeing and some pussy he no longer has access to. He can now add debt prison along with high school dropout on his list of handicaps as he tries to scratch out a meager living over the next two decades.

The trouser snake and the American panty beaver often share a mutual attraction initially but after an undetermined period of time they will resort to fighting. Often times the trouser snake suffers the worse end of the encounter given the fact that the legal environment favors the beaver and gives it a greater advantage. Owners of trouser snakes should keep them well away from American panty beavers to avoid potential stress, conflict and financial liability.[/QUOTE]
Levi is doing the correct thing and getting sleazy. He's posing nude; writing "tell all" books; working the talk show circuit; etcetera.

He should follow the lead of that other "loser", K-Fed. They truly are not losers like you and I for they will reap the child support stream from custody at some point during the 18-sentence.

Oops, my fault. Posing nude is a negative character trait and grounds for the father not to gain custody. In contrast, posing nude as the mother, with default custody, is not enough of a character flaw to grant the father custody.

To win in the USA as a male in male-female relations requires the male not to "give a f*ck." Get as many girls pregnant as you can 'cause the expense / liability truly doesn't increase much after the first child. 17% of gross income for the first child; 3 - 5% for the second child; 2 - 3% for each additional. No more than 50% of gross can be garnished.

Apologies to you, Meat Loaf, but I just can't get that sleazy.

I acknowledge that you have far more experience than I have in The Great Game. But I'm not ready to dismiss my responsibility to any child I might father, because my father dismissed his responsibility to me. My mother raised me without the benefit of child-support, and I vowed at a reasonably early age that I would not treat any child of MY loins that way.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Levi Johnston became the latest casualty of American pussy when he miscalculated the last pump and dumped his cum in Bristol Palin’s guts instead of pulling out on schedule. Now, Levi is being sued for $1,750 per month in child support before he is even old enough to legally enjoy an alcoholic beverage. The amount being demanded is not peanuts by any means. Americans making minimum wage only earn about $15,080 annually before taxes. Bristol is seeking $21,000 annually in child support. As a high school dropout Levi will have a hard time coming up the amount demanded. One errant cum shot will cost him 18 to 21 years of heartache for a child he has difficulty seeing and some pussy he no longer has access to. He can now add debt prison along with high school dropout on his list of handicaps as he tries to scratch out a meager living over the next two decades.

The trouser snake and the American panty beaver often share a mutual attraction initially but after an undetermined period of time they will resort to fighting. Often times the trouser snake suffers the worse end of the encounter given the fact that the legal environment favors the beaver and gives it a greater advantage. Owners of trouser snakes should keep them well away from American panty beavers to avoid potential stress, conflict and financial liability.[/QUOTE]

Obviously the judge has some information which we don't know about....Johnston submitted a financial statement and the judge made his ruling on that....still...it's excessive. He can always get it reduced based on his income.....
He, you or I, have no business fucking any gal....risking getting her pregnant...he brought it upon himself....play safe is the way to do it! But then again, he is inmature.

[QUOTE=Ben2]Obviously the judge has some information which we don't know about....Johnston submitted a financial statement and the judge made his ruling on that....still...it's excessive. He can always get it reduced based on his income.....
He, you or I, have no business fucking any gal....risking getting her pregnant...he brought it upon himself....play safe is the way to do it! But then again, he is inmature.[/QUOTE]

"Playing safe" refers to condom usage. "Playing safe" refers to having your nutts clipped as to prevent semen or little fishies swimming upstream. "Playing safe" refers to masturbation.

These are all fine and dandy reasons or risk management tools.

When the "playing safe" risk management scenario fails and one assumes the risk or offspring, the game begins.

Legally speaking, the game does not begin until the child is born. Legally speaking, the male has 0% voice in the pregnancy of the female. Nonetheless, the child support court; attorney general; or other "competent" jurisdiction will place the maternity expenses of the mother upon the father.

The above paragraph details how you will pull caballo hook or crook, male USA-citizen.

With child support and custody being a moot issue during pregnancy, it is the treatment / justice / abuse of legislation that needs to be addressed, not "playing safe" or risk management.

Equitable rights in parenting is what must be addressed, not "playing safe." Again, they place the onus or lack of female responsibility upon the male by demonizing him for not "playing safe." At what situation or point is the female punished for her lack of "playing safe"? Never. And better yet, it become the role of society (ie. goverment) to care for this creature for it is a future caballo and source for military conflict to earn money for the government coffers.

I agree that one should institute risk management procedures or what is commonly referred to as personal responsibility as to prevent the risk of caballo for 18 - 25 years. That withstanding, the legislation and judicial administration of the child support; child custody is the true and real concern.

Not until USA-citizen males arise from their fear and eagerness to pull caballlo will they be capable of properly managing the risk of "playing safe" and "not playing safe."

Since you will get played in court anyway, why even bother to "play safe." Does the female have any risk in "not playing safe'? The offspring is not a risk, but a gift or biological right of the female. Only for the male does the lack of playing safe carry penalties encompassing debt, incarceration, revocation of rights, and other legislated crimes.

Go Caballo Go.

[QUOTE=Meat Loaf] At what situation or point is the female punished for her lack of "playing safe"? Never. <snip> Does the female have any risk in "not playing safe'? The offspring is not a risk, but a gift or biological right of the female. Only for the male does the lack of playing safe carry penalties encompassing debt, incarceration, revocation of rights, and other legislated crimes.[/QUOTE]
Ok, now that's just crazy talk. Women aren't punished for not playing it safe? Ummm, let's just take a moment to read through some of the recent comments about single mums, shall we?

"...sloppy holes, saggy tits, stretch marks, baggage. Who wants to date a single mum and be a ready-made daddy? I'm not willing to pay someone else's kid through college! She can't take me back to her house for sex, because her kids are at home. She's already trapped some other poor sucker with a kid - you could be next!" And the list goes on....

Sure, complain all you like about unfairness in the courts (I happen to agree with you on that, in many cases) but don't try and tell me that single mothers don't suffer. And to suggest that men are the poor innocent party in pregnancy is utterly ridiculous. EVERYONE, male and female, knows that pregnancy is always a possibility when you engage in unprotected sex. If it happens, it is BOTH PARTIES' responsibility. You guys may get lumped with child support payments, but women get saddled with 18+ years of no dating, no social life, no career, etc, while also contributing the majority of their own income to the upkeep of their children. Or, like me, they watch their ex-husband walk away and start a whole new life, with a new job and a new wife, while I'm living on the bones of my arse, desperately trying to feed my kids and not end up on the streets. How do you think I ended up working as a wh*re?

Pregnancy is a consequence of unprotected sex. Period. If you really don't want kids ...fix yourselves up, use condoms, or have a wank. If you have unprotected sex and end up with an unwanted baby, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Sorry, but that's just how I see it. Flame away.

Even though you make a great point, and yes, I have to agree that once a child is born all bets are off. However, remember, the father has no rights as to whether or not the pregnancy should be terminated. My personal opinion? He should. Yes, it is the woman's body, but once the seed is planted, intentionally or not, he has no voice. That is not right. So a bad decision can lead to a lifetime of suffering on both parties.

On the other hand, we have the "Palimony" issue that seems to be the rage in women's circles. No children are involved in the process, yet, good old AW's still want to get paid for a relationship that went sour. That's BS. The couple in many instances does not need to be married, living together, engaged, etc. The AW must get paid just because she no longer receives the affection of the man, got used to a new and improved lifestyle, needs a better place to live, and so on. The catch: Yes, the support was implied by the two parties. Yeah, right! The excuses the jurisprudence system continue implementing to assault the males in Sex Prison continue to mount with no one saying enough is enough, and this is destroying the fabric of the american household and the legitimate institution of marriage.

Oh, yes, I got sued for that BS and escaped by paying in bulk (It was a good deal compared to what it would have cost). These are the times we are living in where we, the American Male, have become irrelevant and a pocketbook in the eyes of the US courts.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Ok, now that's just crazy talk. Women aren't punished for not playing it safe? Ummm, let's just take a moment to read through some of the recent comments about single mums, shall we?

"...sloppy holes, saggy tits, stretch marks, baggage. Who wants to date a single mum and be a ready-made daddy? I'm not willing to pay someone else's kid through college! She can't take me back to her house for sex, because her kids are at home. She's already trapped some other poor sucker with a kid - you could be next!" And the list goes on....

Sure, complain all you like about unfairness in the courts (I happen to agree with you on that, in many cases) but don't try and tell me that single mothers don't suffer. And to suggest that men are the poor innocent party in pregnancy is utterly ridiculous. EVERYONE, male and female, knows that pregnancy is always a possibility when you engage in unprotected sex. If it happens, it is BOTH PARTIES' responsibility. You guys may get lumped with child support payments, but women get saddled with 18+ years of no dating, no social life, no career, etc, while also contributing the majority of their own income to the upkeep of their children. Or, like me, they watch their ex-husband walk away and start a whole new life, with a new job and a new wife, while I'm living on the bones of my arse, desperately trying to feed my kids and not end up on the streets. How do you think I ended up working as a wh*re?

Pregnancy is a consequence of unprotected sex. Period. If you really don't want kids ...fix yourselves up, use condoms, or have a wank. If you have unprotected sex and end up with an unwanted baby, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Sorry, but that's just how I see it. Flame away.[/QUOTE]

Never been married or fathered children, but been close. Thanks, liberal abortion laws!

But to say that single mothers don't have social lives or have to sacrifice their careers is a bit ludicrous. In the workplace, from what I've seen, mothers are given all sorts of flexibility to attend to their kids' needs -- even when they're in higher-paying, supervisory positions. I'm amazed at how much leeway they get and how much they admittedly abuse it.

And I've met plenty of single mommas at bars getting loaded. In fact, the single mothers I've dated have often tried to delegate their child rearing duties to me -- such as taking kids to a doctor's appointment, etc.

My parents were divorced for many years, but I was raised by my father (largely running wild). When my brother and I were considering moving in with my mother, her main concern was calculating all the revenue she'd get for us.

I have no children of my own, but you'd have to be blind not to see the bias toward mothers.

Voyajer1,

I sympathise with the termination issue, I really do. I can't imagine how powerless and frustrated the man must feel. Unfortunately, there's only one baby and two people with a right to decide what to do about it. If the parties can't agree, [b]someone[/b] has to be the decider and as the baby is inside the woman's belly... Well, there's no winners in that situation. Definitely better to avoid it happening in the first place.

And this alimony/palimony rubbish? Un-fkn-believable! It's not a concept I'm overly familiar with and it's certainly not something I'd support. I believe that men should provide for the children they helped to create. I do NOT believe they should have to look after their childless ex-girlfriends! What's wrong with the poor girls? Might break a nail if they do a day's work? Sheesh.

Palimony is the new (Relatively speaking) phenomenon. My case occurred while divorcing my good ol' AW. I hope she choked on the dow I gave her. The problem now is that in a relationship, the male and female do not even have to cohabitate. Period. This is the new and improve realm that I am certain many here have discussed previously. It was here that I became aware of the new changes in the law, see for yourselves: [url]http://overlawyered.com/2008/06/new-jersey-high-court-palimony-without-cohabitation-ok/[/url]
This ruling has created such a barrier between the educated men and women (The uninformed, of course believes that the state of relationships are the same. It could be a costly mistake). The ruling, thought given in New Jersey, is one of those "Landmark" cases that now can be applied universally throughout the land until sanity prevails. It hasn't so far. That is why I will NEVER date an AW. You never know what you are going to get and it involves a tremendous amount of risk from the male. Even if you don't have much to loose, they can garnish your future earnings to satisfy said ruling. Fair? Just? Never.
[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Voyajer1,

I sympathise with the termination issue, I really do. I can't imagine how powerless and frustrated the man must feel. Unfortunately, there's only one baby and two people with a right to decide what to do about it. If the parties can't agree, [b]someone[/b] has to be the decider and as the baby is inside the woman's belly... Well, there's no winners in that situation. Definitely better to avoid it happening in the first place.

And this alimony/palimony rubbish? Un-fkn-believable! It's not a concept I'm overly familiar with and it's certainly not something I'd support. I believe that men should provide for the children they helped to create. I do NOT believe they should have to look after their childless ex-girlfriends! What's wrong with the poor girls? Might break a nail if they do a day's work? Sheesh.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Levi is doing the correct thing and getting sleazy. He's posing nude; writing "tell all" books; working the talk show circuit; etcetera.

He should follow the lead of that other "loser", K-Fed. They truly are not losers like you and I for they will reap the child support stream from custody at some point during the 18-sentence.

Oops, my fault. Posing nude is a negative character trait and grounds for the father not to gain custody. In contrast, posing nude as the mother, with default custody, is not enough of a character flaw to grant the father custody.

To win in the USA as a male in male-female relations requires the male not to "give a f*ck." Get as many girls pregnant as you can 'cause the expense / liability truly doesn't increase much after the first child. 17% of gross income for the first child; 3 - 5% for the second child; 2 - 3% for each additional. No more than 50% of gross can be garnished.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of men posing nude, how about newly Senator elect Scott Brown of Mass. posing for a magazine when he was a young model.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]Palimony is the new (Relatively speaking) phenomenon. My case occurred while divorcing my good ol' AW. I hope she choked on the dow I gave her. The problem now is that in a relationship, the male and female do not even have to cohabitate. Period. This is the new and improve realm that I am certain many here have discussed previously. It was here that I became aware of the new changes in the law, see for yourselves: [url]http://overlawyered.com/2008/06/new-jersey-high-court-palimony-without-cohabitation-ok/[/url]

This ruling has created such a barrier between the educated men and women (The uninformed, of course believes that the state of relationships are the same. It could be a costly mistake). The ruling, thought given in New Jersey, is one of those "Landmark" cases that now can be applied universally throughout the land until sanity prevails. It hasn't so far. That is why I will NEVER date an AW. You never know what you are going to get and it involves a tremendous amount of risk from the male. Even if you don't have much to loose, they can garnish your future earnings to satisfy said ruling. Fair? Just? Never.[/QUOTE]This ruling is only valid for NEWJERSEY. Each state has their own divorce and Marriage laws. Thats why some states can legalize Gay marriage and other don't.

When Palimony began in or around 1976, it started as a "landmark" case in "California Only". Prior to that, there were many other cases preceding the "need" to re-interpret the law beginning all the way back in the 1930's. The effect was that Palimony evolved from prior law, with emphasis that its roots began in California. Fast forward to today. Is there any state today WITHOUT some sort of Palimony laws?
You have to understand the mechanism to establish and a change law has been around since the inception of the Sex Prison. This insidious and incendiary case, though right now binding so far only in New Jersey will soon be the Law of the land. It IS a "landmark" case; lawmakers, and the justice system love this drivel. It means billions of dollars in lawsuits and lawyer fees. A bonanza! Again, it IS based on prior law, otherwise it would have never taken place. Once it hits the Supreme Court, with a 5 to 4 liberal justice majority, how do you think they are going to rule? Anyone willing to take a wager? It will be the law of the land soon, trust me. Common sense has long left the Sex Prison and if something drastic does not derail this train, I can guarantee it will be the law of the land as soon as it hits Washington DC.
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]This ruling is only valid for NEWJERSEY. Each state has their own divorce and Marriage laws. Thats why some states can legalize Gay marriage and other don't.[/QUOTE]

Rubber Nursey:

You’re absolutely right. It’s best to avoid creating the problem in the first place. That means getting fixed, using a condom or having a good wank. Fucking bareback, shooting cream pies in a woman’s twinkie then fleeing the country to escape the financial and legal consequences is stupid. Eventually, the fugitive’s passport will expire and the embassy will not renew it until he pays the child support assessed against him. He will end up as an illegal immigrant in some part of the world’s anus. The momentary sensation of shooting semen out one’s dick is hardly worth a lifetime of living in shit.

A much more satisfying experience would be to go to the bank, withdraw several thousands of dollars of crisp $20 notes. Go home and make it rain currency all over the bed. Then strip butt ass naked, roll around in the money and have a good wank. It’s better than sex with a woman and it doesn’t cost a dime or have any unwanted consequences.

Smiply sign-away your "rights" as a father and that's it.

No cost!

[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]If it happens, it is BOTH PARTIES' responsibility. You guys may get lumped with child support payments, but women get saddled with 18+ years of no dating, no social life, no career, etc, while also contributing the majority of their own income to the upkeep of their children. [/QUOTE]

Custody goes default to the female and therefore she should assume all of the risks and "punishments" thereof.

If instead, the court action was custody first, then child support would be different, but since the father has 0% voice and the mother is awarded the child by default she should assume the burden.

Do not make it appear as if the father had any voice in the entire matter. For the father to have a voice is for the father to be assessed and then bring legal action.

All of your nonsense about 18+, no social life, etcetera is empathy/

[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]

And this alimony/palimony rubbish? Un-fkn-believable! It's not a concept I'm overly familiar with and it's certainly not something I'd support. I believe that men should provide for the children they helped to create. I do NOT believe they should have to look after their childless ex-girlfriends! What's wrong with the poor girls? Might break a nail if they do a day's work? Sheesh.[/QUOTE]

Alimony is support payments after a marriage contract entered into a divorce contract.

Alimony and palimony have 0 % to do with child custody; child support.

Divorce is a voluntary contract entered into by both parties.

Child custody and child support is a 1-way ticket on the caballo plan.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]When Palimony began in or around 1976, it started as a "landmark" case in "California Only". Prior to that, there were many other cases preceding the "need" to re-interpret the law beginning all the way back in the 1930's. The effect was that Palimony evolved from prior law, with emphasis that its roots began in California. Fast forward to today. Is there any state today WITHOUT some sort of Palimony laws?
You have to understand the mechanism to establish and a change law has been around since the inception of the Sex Prison. This insidious and incendiary case, though right now binding so far only in New Jersey will soon be the Law of the land. It IS a "landmark" case; lawmakers, and the justice system love this drivel. It means billions of dollars in lawsuits and lawyer fees. A bonanza! Again, it IS based on prior law, otherwise it would have never taken place. Once it hits the Supreme Court, with a 5 to 4 liberal justice majority, how do you think they are going to rule? Anyone willing to take a wager? It will be the law of the land soon, trust me. Common sense has long left the Sex Prison and if something drastic does not derail this train, I can guarantee it will be the law of the land as soon as it hits Washington DC.[/QUOTE]

Before you enter into palimony concerns, the government will assign you common-law marriage.

In some states, Texas, common law takes effect after 6-months.

In the Carolinas, common law marriage takes effect after 30-days of co-habitation.

Understand, the USA does everything they can in their power to ensure that you remain on USA soil and are a "indebted" servitude / employee / labourer.

The USA loves and needs a guaranteed labour force and placing the USA-citizen, male, in mandated servitude is how it is done.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1] Once it hits the Supreme Court, with a 5 to 4 liberal justice majority, how do you think they are going to rule? Anyone willing to take a wager? It will be the law of the land soon, trust me. Common sense has long left the Sex Prison and if something drastic does not derail this train, I can guarantee it will be the law of the land as soon as it hits Washington DC.[/QUOTE]First off you are wrong again. The majority of the Court is Conservative. Bush assured that with the nomination of Scalia, you have (Scalia, thomas, Roberts, alito and kennedy) all are young (by supreme court judge standards)

And all are ultra conservative. As a matter of fact this court is considered one of the most conservative group since the 1950's.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]A much more satisfying experience would be to go to the bank, withdraw several thousands of dollars of crisp $20 notes. Go home and make it rain currency all over the bed. Then strip butt ass naked, roll around in the money and have a good wank.[/QUOTE]
LOL! After some bad experiences with 'starfish', my mate used to say something similar about paid sex. "You might as well just park in a brothel carpark, have a wank in the car, then throw your wallet out the window as you drive away". :)

[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]The USA loves and needs a guaranteed labour force and placing the USA-citizen, male, in mandated servitude is how it is done.[/QUOTE]Please thats one of the funniest statements made on this board.

Alimony is only awarded in less than 15% of divorces, Palimony less than 5% ... So the majority of Divorces end with no payments to the Wife.

Termination of parental rights does [B]not[/B] end the obligation to pay child support unless the child is adopted.

[url]http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-176372919.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Termination of parental rights does [B]not[/B] end the obligation to pay child support unless the child is adopted.

[url]http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-176372919.html[/url][/QUOTE]

That's true. The female must also accept the termination papers.

I knew one guy in the ARMY that would impregnate hoes, and then sign away his parental rights. And the girls liked a guy like that to boot. I find it funny and enjoyable how one "Jungle Fever" hoe got played like that and hopefully is having a hard time surviving in life and rearing the children. Why? She got what she deserved by f*cking a guy of such caliber, "Jungle Fever."

We've established that women are prostitutes!

We've established that governments primary desire is to (1) maintain / guarantee a labour force for the present and future as well as a (2) taxation base, and (3) military force. This is the motive of governments: Governments do not exist for you reach your full-potential or to be "all that you can be." Governments exist for their citizenry to be exploited at the benefit of the government.

Who is / are the government? The government is made of (1) asset rich and wealthy individuals, foundations, corporations, and other financial powers; (2) elected politicians who maintain office; (3) appointed persons who perform governmental duties; and (4) line employees for the execution of legislation to keep the lemmings in line.

Women are prostitutes! Whether it's a simple cash-in-hand transaction; courtship; marriage contract; procreation; or divorce settlement, women are receiving financial compensation for romantic associations with males.

Governments are the pimp! The government pimps / panders the female citizenry by legislating the terms of compensation available to females from males. (1) It is illegal to prostitute for cash, but gifts are acceptable. (2) It's "romantic" to court and for the male to pay for the dating expense. (3) The marriage contract is written with male - female equality, but the judiciary interprets the contract with 100% gender bias. Mission accomplished via the bench for the male citizen to degress financially and therefore keep him on the treadmill. (4) Procreation is written with male - female equality, almost, excluding the default custody of offspring. Again, the judiciary interprets the law with 100% gender bias as to keep the male citizen on the treadmill for 18 - 25 years at 17%. In fact, the laws written concerning procreation are in themselves gender biased by the simply fact of (a) no male voice during pregnancy, yet the financial expense: In law this is called "non consideration." (b) Default custody to the mother upon the child being born. In child custody the assessment is "best fit" to rear the child. Therefore, custody should be decided on day 1 of the child's life. Instead, the male must petition the court to be recognized as the child's father. The assessment of child support is void of parental / father's rights. Anyone can be assessed child support obligations. (5) Divorce settlement instills that the male will degress financially as well as become a transient or displaced tenant.

And the list continues as to the measures governments employ in the offerings of their female citizenry upon their male citizenry.

Governments receive tax compensation / commissions at all male - female encounters, just as pimps do. They receive this compensation via taxation and court fees.

Female citizens receive compensation via the cash-in-hand, gifts, and acquisition of assets upon divorce, child support, etcetera.

Male citizens receive "temporary" access to females in a romantic setting.

Understand, the government pimps their female citizens at the demise of their male citizens. And it's legislated with lack-of-payment introducing incarceration penalties.

Why do governments pimp? Governments pimp their female citizenry because governments need (1) a labour pool, (2) taxation base, and (3) bodies for military service. Governments plan and project their futures 1 - 3 generations into the future and therefore need to guarantee that the current generation will produce and hopefully create a second generation of caballos.

** Your fathers never took the time to tell you how to win with women. And such, you became a victim to women just as your father was. Misery loves company. Had your father knew how not to pull caballo or get exploited by women and their government, he would have taught you how to play the game. But he is just another caballo too and doesn't know any better. Hence, he created three (3) generations of caballos (ie. your father; you; and your son). Hopefully, you'll teach your sons how not to pull caballo as describe in Meat Loaf posts. Meat Loaf in Nicaragua. **

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Levi Johnston became the latest casualty of American pussy when he miscalculated the last pump and dumped his cum in Bristol Palin’s guts instead of pulling out on schedule. Now, Levi is being sued for $1,750 per month in child support before he is even old enough to legally enjoy an alcoholic beverage. The amount being demanded is not peanuts by any means. Americans making minimum wage only earn about $15,080 annually before taxes. Bristol is seeking $21,000 annually in child support. As a high school dropout Levi will have a hard time coming up the amount demanded. One errant cum shot will cost him 18 to 21 years of heartache for a child he has difficulty seeing and some pussy he no longer has access to. He can now add debt prison along with high school dropout on his list of handicaps as he tries to scratch out a meager living over the next two decades.

The trouser snake and the American panty beaver often share a mutual attraction initially but after an undetermined period of time they will resort to fighting. Often times the trouser snake suffers the worse end of the encounter given the fact that the legal environment favors the beaver and gives it a greater advantage. Owners of trouser snakes should keep them well away from American panty beavers to avoid potential stress, conflict and financial liability.[/QUOTE]

You know I saw that in the news and thought of ISG...

I wasn't sure what to think actually. On one hand he's responsible, but not mentally ready to handle fatherhood (obviously) and now political positioning will make extremely hard for him to see his child (maybe he's not interested?)

But yeah a high school drop-out might as well get as much from his 15 min as possible. I would take an offer to write a ghost written book and donate the proceeds to your child as a one time payment instead of being on the hook, maybe $500,000.

If the publisher is keen on the book especially if it comes out say during Palin's run in 2012 (if she even makes it that far), he could get most of that in advance.

Anyway, he's a bumbling idiot and this very normal situation in Teenage America has gotten totally out of hand. But I'm less worried about Levi and more worried about the next fool that ends up with Bristol, now with child, here public notoriety, looks and possible financial position might entice some poor sap into taking a flier on her.

I just have this funny feeling ThatGuy865 is just itching to nail this American chick.

When you have American men falling all over themselves to date, marry, women who look like this, then you know, we have a serious problem in America. I wish to apologize in advance for destroying anyone's Breakfast, Lunch or Dinner.

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]When you have American men falling all over themselves to date, marry, women who look like this, then you know, we have a serious problem in America. I wish to apologize in advance for destroying anyone's breakfast, Lunch or Dinner.[/QUOTE]

I hear you "Capt. Ajax," but how did you acquire her pictures "au natural?

Makes one wonder if you have "buyer's remorse" or a hangover.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]You know I saw that in the news and thought of ISG...

I wasn't sure what to think actually. On one hand he's responsible, but not mentally ready to handle fatherhood (obviously) and now political positioning will make extremely hard for him to see his child (maybe he's not interested?)

But yeah a high school drop-out might as well get as much from his 15 min as possible. I would take an offer to write a ghost written book and donate the proceeds to your child as a one time payment instead of being on the hook, maybe $500,000.

If the publisher is keen on the book especially if it comes out say during Palin's run in 2012 (if she even makes it that far), he could get most of that in advance.

Anyway, he's a bumbling idiot and this very normal situation in Teenage America has gotten totally out of hand. But I'm less worried about Levi and more worried about the next fool that ends up with Bristol, now with child, here public notoriety, looks and possible financial position might entice some poor sap into taking a flier on her.[/QUOTE]
American single mothers find it relatively easy to find someone to date and marry them. Many guys don’t realize just how raw the deal is on the surface. They assume that the other guy will pick up the bill for his kid. However, the mother may very well be less diligent about collecting from the father for all expenses once another sucker steps into the picture, especially if that individual is more financially stable. Then there are behavioral issues with the child. Step-daddy is likely to hear, “You can’t tell me what to do. You’re not my father” often. Then there are expenses beyond 18 yrs like college and having to take an adult child who has fallen on hard times back into the home.

Romantic liaisons are not usually a great deal over the long term for guys in America. Consider the position of the guy making the coffee every morning for his live in scientist girlfriend. [url]http://lifestyle.msn.com/relationships/articleglamourmatch.aspx?cp-documentid=23187787&GT1=32023[/url] The guy from out of town who ran his pork sword through her and maintained a short term long distance relationship with her was the winner. It is never wise to invest too much in relationships with women. Once you cohabit or spend several nights together each week the thrill is gone and she’ll be looking for the next horn dog to mount her and give her the excitement she craves. Guys who wake up every morning to make her coffee are only valued after she has little to no value on the market. Jenny only remained with Forest Gump after she caught AIDS from her habit of running around fucking other guys.

[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]I hear you "Capt. Ajax," but how did you acquire her pictures "au natural?

Makes one wonder if you have "buyer's remorse" or a hangover.[/QUOTE]

Brother, if my dick were to lead me down the path of screwing a woman that looked like her. I would immediately take a machete to my dick.

Cpt Ajax, EGADS!! talking about two tons of fun, sheez.

A comment on what you said about single moms being able to date, CM. I don't think it is as easy for them as it used to be, certainly all the single guys I know stay as far away from them as possible. Partly due to the hassle of the kid, the exes, etc., but I think more to do with court rulings that saddle the guy with support payments for the kid after just a few months of the two shacking up. Single moms have told me they feel toxic because of this, and I tell 'em straight up, you'll never get any guy that does decently well, as long as he even semi has his wits about him.

I suppose they can do the I-net dating thing, but the guys are equally terrified there,

[QUOTE=Furysys]Cpt Ajax, EGADS!! talking about two tons of fun, sheez.

A comment on what you said about single moms being able to date, CM. I don't think it is as easy for them as it used to be, certainly all the single guys I know stay as far away from them as possible. Partly due to the hassle of the kid, the exes, etc., but I think more to do with court rulings that saddle the guy with support payments for the kid after just a few months of the two shacking up. Single moms have told me they feel toxic because of this, and I tell 'em straight up, you'll never get any guy that does decently well, as long as he even semi has his wits about him.

I suppose they can do the I-net dating thing, but the guys are equally terrified there,[/QUOTE]
Women never have a hard time finding at least one guy to f*ck them!

They may try to scare you with, "I got 2 kids" statement but that would assume that I were to aide her in the financial expense.

Females do not have a hard time. And with 50% of first-time marriages ending in divorce within 7 years, everyone is single. And then you have the bastard children of those who were never married. The p*ssy pool with 0% kids is not that large.

At least in Latin America, the kids of the mother do try to befriend the Gringo 'cause even they know a caballo when they see one.

Lastly, I always find it funny how when I drop some "real sh*t" like the prior post how many run away from having to think or admit to its value. The statement about fathers leading their sons to slaughter is what I refer.

Women teach their daughters how to find and hustle a caballo. Fathers tell their sons, "it's cheaper to keep her" or "good luck." The blind leading the blind.

I never dated single moms in the USA, but only date single moms in Latin America. I've degressed. I would date single USA moms, but as Chocha Monger said, "I would not invest too much into any relationship."

What is it with American men? I was scheduled to see a lady this weekend and she told me she had JUST increased her rates. WTF.....Apparently a few American guys had informed her that her rates were too low. Geeez I've seen this happen too many times. Just pick a country where American men monger and you can be sure they will totally FUCK up the market. I will say this, GRINGOS, deserve the treatment meshed out by their American women.

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]What is it with American men? I was scheduled to see a lady this weekend and she told me she had JUST increased her rates. Some American guy told her that her rates were too low. Geeez I've seen this happen too many times. Anywhere American mongers, they totally FUCK up the market. I will say this, GRINGOS, you all deserve the way you're treated by your American women.[/QUOTE]I have also noticed in the past few years that some "markets" have been becoming worse.. Such as Colombia(Medellin), Curacao(Campo Allegre), Prague etc. Many women have become spoiled, do not want to do extras, etc.

Some gringos do some strangest things such as traveling half the globe to pay money for ugly/fat girls.

Also paying a SW money for "DATY"!! If you tell that to somebody else in another country they would never believe that. At least they would assume that the girl is paying you.

But there are still remote places left, although there are also becoming worse. In one place in Central Asia, I had a GF for a few days. One day she asked me for $30 for a tatoo, I told her that I do not like tatoos, so she's not getting any money, not because I'm that greedy. She got kinda upset and told me that we probably should not "date". Which was totally fine with me. I was done with her anyways.

The next news I hear about her, in a few months she found a gringo BF who got crazy about her(BTW she's just average), bought her an apartment, at that time they were kinda cheap, about 10-20K USD.

So the "market" lost another talent. The girl realized that her pussy is actually worth at least $20 grand if dating a gringo, not $30 as she underestimated herself when I was with her.

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[QUOTE=Meat Loaf] "I would not invest too much into any relationship."[/QUOTE]


So simple yet so deep. One needs to keep reminding themselves that most relationships or friendships for that matter are based on "what can you do for me". It is a harsh reality in life but once you accept it you will learn to control your blindness and things will be clearer.

Nutin for nutin..learn it live it love it.

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]What is it with American men? I was scheduled to see a lady this weekend and she told me she had JUST increased her rates. Some American guy told her that her rates were too low. Geeez I've seen this happen too many times. Anywhere American mongers, they totally FUCK up the market. I will say this, GRINGOS, you all deserve the way you're treated by your American women.[/QUOTE]Sadly your right. A lot of American guys have the white knight syndrome, and do things like this a lot. I was lucky enough to have some experienced mongers with me on my first mongering trip and they made sure I was not overpaying and causing inflation.

Maybe you should tell your lady that American men are much richer than other Western men and that they can afford to pay more. I'll just tell them I am Canadian, eh.

Again, sorry

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]DJ,

...No one says you have to show her off in public, and you'd be surprised how good the sex can B..[/QUOTE]These are what are know as 'mope-head' women.

A lot of fun to ride, but you don't want your friends to catch you riding one!

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]I have also noticed in the past few years that some "markets" have been becoming worse.. Such as Colombia(Medellin), Curacao(Campo Allegre), Prague etc. Many women have become spoiled, do not want to do extras, etc.

Some gringos do some strangest things such as traveling half the globe to pay money for ugly/fat girls.

Also paying a SW money for "DATY"!! If you tell that to somebody else in another country they would never believe that. At least they would assume that the girl is paying you.

But there are still remote places left, although there are also becoming worse. In one place in Central Asia, I had a GF for a few days. One day she asked me for $30 for a tatoo, I told her that I do not like tatoos, so she's not getting any money, not because I'm that greedy. She got kinda upset and told me that we probably should not "date". Which was totally fine with me. I was done with her anyways.

The next news I hear about her, in a few months she found a gringo BF who got crazy about her(BTW she's just average), bought her an apartment, at that time they were kinda cheap, about 10-20K USD.

So the "market" lost another talent. The girl realized that her pussy is actually worth at least $20 grand if dating a gringo, not $30 as she underestimated herself when I was with her.

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What you have described is a consequence of our odd American mating system. The man approaches the woman and starts spending as much as he can in the hope that she will grant him access to her vagina so he can continue spending even more to maintain that access. In most cases the man makes his approach as a supplicant from an inferior position. The woman is considered to be more valuable than anything he has to offer, so he competes with other suitors by expending large amounts of his resources. If he is seeing a prostitute and wishes to have her to himself he will pay her more than what he believes other tricks are paying in an attempt to price them out of her pussy.

The average American also thinks that pussy is so valuable that a price cannot be put on it. So you will find outrageous behavior like guys paying to lick a woman’s pussy. They like bowing down to the pussy, licking and worshipping it like some kind of deity that demands their reverence. In some other cultures such behavior is outrageous. In Jamaica such men would be reviled and quickly become social pariahs. It is this cult of pussy worship that makes American guys pay $20,000 for what other men are only willing to pay $30. Once American sex tourists overrun a mongering sweet spot the prices skyrocket. We have seen this pattern repeated over and over again. Too bad a lot of guys don’t realize that they’re only recreating the same conditions they fled from in the first place. You know that the game has been fucked up when your local girls start telling you about one of their girlfriends who got a house and car bought and paid for by some tender under the zipper American man. Then they start expecting you to do the same.

The morons go where the rates are talked about loudly in many forums; however, imbeciles go to the fun spots and claim “I have no time, it’s my money” as an excuse. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, I will not tell anyone of some of the bargain providers and places I’ve been to. People like that tend to screw up the spending curve and wonder why people get on their case.

Just look at the rates of providers here in the Sex Prison. The going rates for decent service are right around $500 per hour in most major cities. Why so high? We have too many “Captain Save A Ho” types living in the country. We move out of the country to find better rates. The same dingbats follow us out there repeating the same budget busting moves, after all, it’s “Their” money. Personally morons like that need to have their man cards revoked :D
[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]What is it with American men? I was scheduled to see a lady this weekend and she told me she had JUST increased her rates. WTF.....Apparently a few American guys had informed her that her rates were too low. Geeez I've seen this happen too many times. Just pick a country where American men monger and you can be sure they will totally FUCK up the market. I will say this, GRINGOS, deserve the treatment meshed out by their American women.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]The morons go where the rates are talked about loudly in many forums; however, imbeciles go to the fun spots and claim “I have no time, it’s my money” as an excuse. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, I will not tell anyone of some of the bargain providers and places I’ve been to. People like that tend to screw up the spending curve and wonder why people get on their case.

Just look at the rates of providers here in the Sex Prison. The going rates for decent service are right around $500 per hour in most major cities. Why so high? We have too many “Captain Save A Ho” types living in the country. We move out of the country to find better rates. The same dingbats follow us out there repeating the same budget busting moves, after all, it’s “Their” money. Personally morons like that need to have their man cards revoked :D[/QUOTE]
There is a social phenomenon called, "make it rain" where within strip clubs, johns / tricks / customers throw single dollar bills in stacks of ten or twenty onto the stage for the girls dancing.

Foolish!

This same ideology of showing how much money they are willing to give away for p*ssy access / viewing is what / how they travel and live worldwide.

Look at me. Look how much money I am willing to give away just so that you notice me. It's USA mentality of showing others how much you spend in hopes that they will be your friend.

I stopped giving hoes anything beyond a strong nutt.

To really succeed as a monger, one must live in the country / city that they monger and weed out the hoes that are looking for the USA refugee plan.

i have a story about the 3 different women and their attempts to find my home..using GPS...i live right off an interstate on a state highway..santa claus always found my house but these women can't but that another post

i recently was in contact with a woman via SMS and she says "when and where"

i reply with a location and ask "what time can you be there?"

reply: "i need to change my clothes"

me:"when can you be there"

reply: "give me 30 minutes to change my clothes"

me: "when can you be there?"

reply: "almost home now"

me: "maybe one day you will answer the question. none of this tells me when"

then i get a phone call from her and she asks if i am being a smartass

i will meet her and grudgef**k her..and they wonder why we cannot stand them

i swear, if they did not have pussies, we'd be shooting them for sport

......and your point is??? Are you American??

[QUOTE=Robert1110]i have a story about the 3 different women and their attempts to find my home..using GPS...i live right off an interstate on a state highway..santa claus always found my house but these women can't but that another post

i recently was in contact with a woman via SMS and she says "when and where"

i reply with a location and ask "what time can you be there?"

reply: "i need to change my clothes"

me:"when can you be there"

reply: "give me 30 minutes to change my clothes"

me: "when can you be there?"

reply: "almost home now"

me: "maybe one day you will answer the question. none of this tells me when"

then i get a phone call from her and she asks if i am being a smartass

i will meet her and grudgef**k her..and they wonder why we cannot stand them

i swear, if they did not have pussies, we'd be shooting them for sport[/QUOTE]

yes. i am an american man who usually dates ukrainian women but that's hard to do right now seeing i am in the USA for a hopefully short time.

and yes, since this is the AW thread, it is about an american woman.

sorry for any confusion

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]What you have described is a consequence of our odd American mating system. The man approaches the woman and starts spending as much as he can in the hope that she will grant him access to her vagina so he can continue spending even more to maintain that access. In most cases the man makes his approach as a supplicant from an inferior position. The woman is considered to be more valuable than anything he has to offer, so he competes with other suitors by expending large amounts of his resources. If he is seeing a prostitute and wishes to have her to himself he will pay her more than what he believes other tricks are paying in an attempt to price them out of her pussy.

The average American also thinks that pussy is so valuable that a price cannot be put on it. So you will find outrageous behavior like guys paying to lick a woman’s pussy. They like bowing down to the pussy, licking and worshipping it like some kind of deity that demands their reverence. In some other cultures such behavior is outrageous. In Jamaica such men would be reviled and quickly become social pariahs. It is this cult of pussy worship that makes American guys pay $20,000 for what other men are only willing to pay $30. Once American sex tourists overrun a mongering sweet spot the prices skyrocket. We have seen this pattern repeated over and over again. Too bad a lot of guys don’t realize that they’re only recreating the same conditions they fled from in the first place. You know that the game has been fucked up when your local girls start telling you about one of their girlfriends who got a house and car bought and paid for by some tender under the zipper American man. Then they start expecting you to do the same.[/QUOTE]


it is not just the american men...it is also some of the RICH men from england or other western european countries.

i know a guy who lived in ukraine for years.. he was very well acquainted with a very good looking semi-pro (who recently married a guy who is clueless about her past and she got around in a big way).

he used to tell me about the guys that she was hooking up with, i was astounded at the money these guys needlessly threw at her..2, 3, 5, sometimes 10 times what she was asking.

they were rich and they liked her so they just threw cash and presents at her. they are COMPLETE MORONS for the very fact that they are ruining it for the rest of us.

they do this for the reasons quoted above..it is embarrassing to me as a man to see other men do what they do to get the pussy they could not otherwise get.

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Brother, if my dick were to lead me down the path of screwing a woman that looked like her. I would immediately take a machete to my dick.[/QUOTE]


ROTFLMAO! me TOO!

on another note, i sometimes say to a close friend, if i was born an AW, i would hope and pray for reincarnation because i would kill myself and keep killing myself until i came back as a MAN.

[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]We've established that women are prostitutes!

We've established that governments primary desire is to (1) maintain / guarantee a labour force for the present and future as well as a (2) taxation base, and (3) military force. This is the motive of governments: Governments do not exist for you reach your full-potential or to be "all that you can be." Governments exist for their citizenry to be exploited at the benefit of the government.

Who is / are the government? The government is made of (1) asset rich and wealthy individuals, foundations, corporations, and other financial powers; (2) elected politicians who maintain office; (3) appointed persons who perform governmental duties; and (4) line employees for the execution of legislation to keep the lemmings in line.

Women are prostitutes! Whether it's a simple cash-in-hand transaction; courtship; marriage contract; procreation; or divorce settlement, women are receiving financial compensation for romantic associations with males.

Governments are the pimp! The government pimps / panders the female citizenry by legislating the terms of compensation available to females from males. (1) It is illegal to prostitute for cash, but gifts are acceptable. (2) It's "romantic" to court and for the male to pay for the dating expense. (3) The marriage contract is written with male - female equality, but the judiciary interprets the contract with 100% gender bias. Mission accomplished via the bench for the male citizen to degress financially and therefore keep him on the treadmill. (4) Procreation is written with male - female equality, almost, excluding the default custody of offspring. Again, the judiciary interprets the law with 100% gender bias as to keep the male citizen on the treadmill for 18 - 25 years at 17%. In fact, the laws written concerning procreation are in themselves gender biased by the simply fact of (a) no male voice during pregnancy, yet the financial expense: In law this is called "non consideration." (b) Default custody to the mother upon the child being born. In child custody the assessment is "best fit" to rear the child. Therefore, custody should be decided on day 1 of the child's life. Instead, the male must petition the court to be recognized as the child's father. The assessment of child support is void of parental / father's rights. Anyone can be assessed child support obligations. (5) Divorce settlement instills that the male will degress financially as well as become a transient or displaced tenant.

And the list continues as to the measures governments employ in the offerings of their female citizenry upon their male citizenry.

Governments receive tax compensation / commissions at all male - female encounters, just as pimps do. They receive this compensation via taxation and court fees.

Female citizens receive compensation via the cash-in-hand, gifts, and acquisition of assets upon divorce, child support, etcetera.

Male citizens receive "temporary" access to females in a romantic setting.

Understand, the government pimps their female citizens at the demise of their male citizens. And it's legislated with lack-of-payment introducing incarceration penalties.

Why do governments pimp? Governments pimp their female citizenry because governments need (1) a labour pool, (2) taxation base, and (3) bodies for military service. Governments plan and project their futures 1 - 3 generations into the future and therefore need to guarantee that the current generation will produce and hopefully create a second generation of caballos.

** Your fathers never took the time to tell you how to win with women. And such, you became a victim to women just as your father was. Misery loves company. Had your father knew how not to pull caballo or get exploited by women and their government, he would have taught you how to play the game. But he is just another caballo too and doesn't know any better. Hence, he created three (3) generations of caballos (ie. your father; you; and your son). Hopefully, you'll teach your sons how not to pull caballo as describe in Meat Loaf posts. Meat Loaf in Nicaragua. **[/QUOTE]

absolutely brilliant!

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Please thats one of the funniest statements made on this board.

Alimony is only awarded in less than 15% of divorces, Palimony less than 5% ... So the majority of Divorces end with no payments to the Wife.[/QUOTE]


this may be true but child support is an entirely different matter

[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]There is a social phenomenon called, "make it rain" where within strip clubs, johns / tricks / customers throw single dollar bills in stacks of ten or twenty onto the stage for the girls dancing.

Foolish!

This same ideology of showing how much money they are willing to give away for p*ssy access / viewing is what / how they travel and live worldwide.

Look at me. Look how much money I am willing to give away just so that you notice me. It's USA mentality of showing others how much you spend in hopes that they will be your friend.

I stopped giving hoes anything beyond a strong nutt.

To really succeed as a monger, one must live in the country / city that they monger and weed out the hoes that are looking for the USA refugee plan.[/QUOTE]Only an idiot would do this in any place in the world! I could not agree with you more. It is the main reason why women believe there is a sucker born everyday. Truth be told, they are right. I must say I also believe the NY governor who hired $5,000.00 call girls a pop was just as big an idiot.

RonnyRon

[QUOTE=RonnyRon]Only and idiot would do this in any place in the world! I could not agree with you more. It is the main reason why women believe there is a sucker born everyday. Truth be told, they are right. I must say I also believe the NY governor who hired $5,000.00 call girls a pop was just as big an idiot.

RonnyRon[/QUOTE]Its no more pathetic than what anyone pays. The avg monger travels the world and pays more than the local. Whether its $20 or $60. You are paying more than a local. So therefore to the local you are the same kind of "Asshole". That the rich are to you. If they earn a 500K a year. $500 or even the occasional $1000. Doesn't seem like a lot. Just as $40 to you in whatever country you monger doesn't seem like a lot. Well to a local. It sure does. Money makes the world go round. Ya dig?

[QUOTE=Robert1110]this may be true but child support is an entirely different matter[/QUOTE]Yes it is. And every man should pay child support when the are the father of the kids. Period. Thats the least they can do

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Please thats one of the funniest statements made on this board.

Alimony is only awarded in less than 15% of divorces, Palimony less than 5% ... So the majority of Divorces end with no payments to the Wife.[/QUOTE]ThatGuy,

Could you provide the source for the numbers? Just curious.

I checked some alimony laws, looks scary.

One interesting article:
[url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703399204574505700448957522.html[/url]

Americans gave $9.4 billion to former spouses in 2007, up from $5.6 billion a decade earlier, according to the Internal Revenue Service. Men accounted for 97% of alimony-payers last year, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, although the share of women supporting ex-husbands is on the rise.

.............
The article also describes a really messed up case when an alimony was awarded 25 years after the divorce
............

Paul and Theresa Taylor were married for 17 years. He was an engineer for Boston's public-works department, while she worked in accounting at a publishing company. They had three children, a weekend cottage on the bay and a house in the suburbs, on a leafy street called Cranberry Lane. In 1982, when they got divorced, the split was amicable. She got the family home; he got the second home. Both agreed "to waive any right to past, present or future alimony."

But recently, more than two decades after the divorce, Ms. Taylor, 64, told a Massachusetts judge she had no job, retirement savings or health insurance. Earlier this year, the judge ordered Mr. Taylor, now 68 and remarried, to pay $400 per week to support his ex-wife.

"This is insane," Mr. Taylor says, adding that the payments cut his after-tax pension by more than one-third. "Someone can just come back 25 years later and say, 'My life went down the toilet, and you're doing good—so now I want some of your money'?".

I recently received the following email:

If you have a wonderful husband , fiancé or BOYFRIEND,that works hard to provide for you and would do anything just for you, then repost this as your status to give the honest well behaved men out there the recognition that they deserve............because great men are few and far between, and I have one!


I had to reply, what exactly is a well behaved man? Sounds like a pet to me, but again I guess I am rotten to the core. LOL.

RonnyRon

Isn't this what we are all searching for? We can get some satisfaction here in Sex Prison if we learn to tell the right lies (I.E. Yeah, you are the one and only, I can see a future together; much less during a drunken escapade). When I travel overseas, I enjoy the VALUE my pocketbook provides me in getting my groove on. Threesomes, no problem. Foursomes, no big deal. Even 5 or 6 on 1 escapades are in the book. The deal is that any of what I just described is not going to exceed $250. That's VALUE. I never mention them here for fear some dingbat will, as you mentioned, "Make it rain", pay X10 what I or any sane monger did because "It's their money". Sure it is :rolleyes:

But I like having my cake and eating it too, so I will have to be selfish. Many venues have been ruined by these folk. The madness has to stop someday. Since they (You know who you are) don't listen to anyone, maybe they can go out there like guppies and get eaten by the sharks. Hopefully they won't come back to the fun spots after noticing the smirk and non-responsiveness and disrespect of the providers. Again, they are too stupid to follow the guidelines

[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]

I stopped giving hoes anything beyond a strong nutt.

To really succeed as a monger, one must live in the country / city that they monger and weed out the hoes that are looking for the USA refugee plan.[/QUOTE]

the “big spender” is fast disappearing. unemployment, shrinking paychecks, and a depressed stock market will continue for a long time. easy credit is now a thing of the past. before, any idiot could go out and apply for a credit card, and then use it get cash advances to throw money around in the strip clubs and purchase airfare to mongering destinations. right now, most americans are too scared to even take their measly two weeks vacation because they might return only to find out that they have been downsized. even the ones who think they’re “solid” in their employment find the increased cost of air travel to be too rich for their budgets. corporate junkets have dwindled, and expense accounts are closely scrutinized. the façade of “having money” came crashing down for a lot people. guys who used scrape together money all year for a few nights of “living big” in a third world fleshpot can no longer afford that luxury. the weakened dollar has also dampened their desire throw around money that they need to stave off the repo guy and the eviction notice from their landlord. the addition of new passport regulations also means that guys must go through the trouble of filling out forms, taking photographs and paying fees before they obtain the required travel documents to visit neighboring countries. all of these things have cut back on the number of impulsive spenders hitting mongering locations abroad. the travel numbers clearly show this.

some guys are even saying that fat white girls aren’t so bad after all. this is one of the first signs that many are rationalizing their having to stay home and accept their fate. there will still be some who will go into debt or blow the kid’s college fund to impress hookers, but not as many as before. the demographics of the mongering crowd are changing. the u.s. divorce rate fell 4% in 2009 after rising by 7% in 2007. one of the reasons for this is that there is simply less incentive for women to divorce. the house used to be the biggest prize taken by divorced women. however, the housing market changed that. with many couples underwater in their mortgages whoever gets the house will be stuck with debt instead of equity. the result is that a lot of american wives are deciding to spread their legs, grin and bear it at least until the market recovers. some women will opt to leave the house to the husband and hit him with hefty alimony and child support instead. he will probably end up in foreclosure followed by bankruptcy. that means another divorced man without the means to monger. in the past many guys got divorced, struggled financially for a few years immediately after, then made a recovery and took up the hobby instead of remarrying. now, under current conditions a divorce can be catastrophic, knocking men out of the game financially for several years if not permanently.

traditional pensions have all but vanished. the recession did a number on 401ks. many now have to work until they die on sex prison death row. others will retire but will rub pennies in their “golden” years. expect to see fewer pensioners out mongering. expats on a pension will have to tighten their mongering belts. the heyday of the “slum dog millionaires” may be over for good.

some mongers work abroad in low level employment for subsistence income just to chase pussy. those without substantial assets at home may want to reassess this decision. enjoying third world pussy on the cheap is nice during one’s youth but at what price? will it mean returning home during one’s later years to work as a door greeter part time and dining on generic cat food purchased with clipped coupons? the worldwide recession temporarily eased the rise of oil prices. this will not last indefinitely. oil prices will rise again and in conjunction with shifting weather patterns will drive up food prices significantly in the third world. this can result in shortages and civil unrest. foreigners giving the impression of wealth could well become targets. their local security guards are likely to join the mob or flee rather than confront gangs of armed looters on the rampage when they storm residences to drag out and beat occupants. prostitutes, maids, cooks and hangers on will provide intelligence to the marauders as to the contents of the domiciles targeted.

living in a third world residence means always being one natural disaster away from hopping into the casket. non-existent or unenforced building codes mean you may wake up buried under the collapsed walls of your mansion in the event of an earthquake, hurricane or tsunami. rising fuel prices will drive up the cost of building materials and builders will be tempted to cut corners even more, further exacerbating the problem. that grand mansion that costs a fraction of what it would in the states could well become your final resting place.

sadly none of this supposed opulence is required. in the developing world throwing around money and living big is just a waste of time. it’s blowing hot air and spinning wheels. the truth is that once you learn your way around it’s not hard to find women who will have sex with you for a bottle of pantene ® or a bag of uncle ben’s ®. it’s so easy a caveman can do it.

Yes the big spender is less frequent than two years ago. I remember about 4 years ago in the HDR in CR a guy near me tipped the bartender $10 and I looked at him. And he replied "he wanted her to impress her". Of course she took the money and never gave him any attention at all. He was probably the type to pay $200 when he should have paid $50.

Me, while on tour I'm in the game, treat them well, with respect for a service performed. And that's it.

Back home in prude states of america I still find decent older single women. But I'll never settle for a fattie. Pickings are slim for a slim AW. But I can wait.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]

Some mongers work abroad in low level employment for subsistence income just to chase pussy. Those without substantial assets at home may want to reassess this decision. Enjoying Third World pussy on the cheap is nice during one’s youth but at what price? Will it mean returning home during one’s later years to work as a door greeter part time and dining on generic cat food purchased with clipped coupons? it.[/QUOTE]
Well, the way the economy is going in the U.S., people will be lucky to even get door greeter jobs.

Not to get into an economics discussion, but for us younger guys, maybe 35 and under, I really don't think there is any reason for us to stay in the U.S. The entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare will be severely depleted by the time we reach retirement age. Taxes are too high, the cost of living, food, medical care, are just way too expensive. Too many rules and regulations. And the pussy quality in America, for the most part, is terrible.

You may be right about the problems associated with living in the third world. The older I get and the more I think about it, it's not all it's cracked up to be, living in the third world with a first world bank account. However, there are many places here in Asia, for example, that have a high standard of living, with good jobs, AND good pussy prospects. Ever been to Singapore? Fantastic place, clean, good economy, jobs (if you have skills/education) and the pussy is excellent. Hong Kong is good too. Low taxes; the freest economy in the world, I think it was voted. Even where I live now in South Korea, the economy here is doing very well; a lot of good job opportunites for the savvy. The pussy scene here isn't the best but it's still light years above the States!

We really need an ex-pats thread here on the ISG to discuss things like this.

Gentlemen, run away from the U.S. Run fast, run hard, run like Mexican tap water through a first time gringo tourist, the key work here is RUN!

[QUOTE=Ezinho]Well, the way the economy is going in the U.S., people will be lucky to even get door greeter jobs.

Not to get into an economics discussion, but for us younger guys, maybe 35 and under, I really don't think there is any reason for us to stay in the U.S. The entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare will be severely depleted by the time we reach retirement age. Taxes are too high, the cost of living, food, medical care, are just way too expensive. Too many rules and regulations. And the pussy quality in America, for the most part, is terrible.

You may be right about the problems associated with living in the third world. The older I get and the more I think about it, it's not all it's cracked up to be, living in the third world with a first world bank account. However, there are many places here in Asia, for example, that have a high standard of living, with good jobs, AND good pussy prospects. Ever been to Singapore? Fantastic place, clean, good economy, jobs (if you have skills/education) and the pussy is excellent. Hong Kong is good too. Low taxes; the freest economy in the world, I think it was voted. Even where I live now in South Korea, the economy here is doing very well; a lot of good job opportunites for the savvy. The pussy scene here isn't the best but it's still light years above the States!

We really need an ex-pats thread here on the ISG to discuss things like this.

Gentlemen, run away from the U.S. Run fast, run hard, run like Mexican tap water through a first time gringo tourist, the key work here is RUN![/QUOTE]

Here Here!

We need an EXPAT thread for sure, because most Expat Forums want nothing to do with chasing tail, which this site is mostly about.

There are many members here that spend more than 50% of there time in excellent mongering locations and have given most of the insight needed to stay over 90 days in most places. What's not known are the tricks to stay in country or what options you have to move across boarders to skirt the Schengen requirements (usually found on Lost Planet) and what are your employment options (teaching English?) if you can't afford to live a beggar's "Jet Set" lifestyle I call it.

If the willfully ignorant want to remain in-country then why let them stop you?

I know my best options are OUTSIDE this country, more women, better women overall.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]
Sadly none of this supposed opulence is required. In the developing world throwing around money and living big is just a waste of time. It’s blowing hot air and spinning wheels. The truth is that once you learn your way around it’s not hard to find women who will have sex with you for a bottle of Pantene ® or a bag of Uncle Ben’s ®. It’s so easy a caveman can do it.[/QUOTE]

ROFL -

I agree with 3rd Worlds, given what happen in Haiti should be a reminder that while the US needs serious infrastructure work, its less likely to come down on your head.

The Northridge Earthquake was much closer to the 7.0 number in Haiti than the 5.7 its claimed to be. I know it was higher but to qualify for FEMA funds we had to fudge the numbers a bit, my step father worked for the City of Los Angeles at the time, also Cal-Tech knows it was higher but didn't say much.

In any event some things came down but most of it didn't and that's key out of 1.3 million in the San Fernando Valley only 57 died.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]
Living in a Third World residence means always being one natural disaster away from hopping into the casket. Non-existent or unenforced building codes mean you may wake up buried under the collapsed walls of your mansion in the event of an earthquake, hurricane or tsunami. Rising fuel prices will drive up the cost of building materials and builders will be tempted to cut corners even more, further exacerbating the problem. That grand mansion that costs a fraction of what it would in the States could well become your final resting place.[/QUOTE]

C'mon CM and others, don't paint all 3rd world countries as being identical!

There are many countries like Haiti or Sudan that are closer to FOURTH world than third world. There are also many several countries like Brazil or China that are really SECOND world now and no longer third world. And the major cities in those countries, like Soa Paulo, Shanghai, or Mumbai (India), are effectively FIRST world cities with more amenities and better infrastructure than many cities in the US. The US being a FIRST world country didn't help New Orleans one little bit! 5 years later large parts of that city are still unrepaired and are essentially returning to nature.

Much of the 3rd world does have serious problems but at the same time large parts of it have gotten their act together. Those places are viable for happy expat living.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]ROFL -

I agree with 3rd Worlds, given what happen in Haiti should be a reminder that while the US needs serious infrastructure work, its less likely to come down on your head.

The Northridge Earthquake was much closer to the 7.0 number in Haiti than the 5.7 its claimed to be. I know it was higher but to qualify for FEMA funds we had to fudge the numbers a bit, my step father worked for the City of Los Angeles at the time, also Cal-Tech knows it was higher but didn't say much.

In any event some things came down but most of it didn't and that's key out of 1.3 million in the San Fernando Valley only 57 died.[/QUOTE]

The Northridge Quake was 6.7 on the Richter, not 5.7, but in fact, it had a ground acceleration metric of 1 g that was typical of a 7.5 quake but the duration was more typical of 6.0 quake.

[QUOTE=George90] There are also many several countries like Brazil or China that are really SECOND world now and no longer third world. And the major cities in those countries, like Soa Paulo, Shanghai, or Mumbai (India), are effectively FIRST world cities with more amenities and better infrastructure than many cities in the US. Those places are viable for happy expat living.[/QUOTE]Also those places are not cheap to live in either. Rent in those cities you mentioned, in a place where most westerners would want to live are not cheap and run pretty close if not the same in major USA cities.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]ROFL -

I agree with 3rd Worlds, given what happen in Haiti should be a reminder that while the US needs serious infrastructure work, its less likely to come down on your head.

The Northridge Earthquake was much closer to the 7.0 number in Haiti than the 5.7 its claimed to be. I know it was higher but to qualify for FEMA funds we had to fudge the numbers a bit, my step father worked for the City of Los Angeles at the time, also Cal-Tech knows it was higher but didn't say much.

In any event some things came down but most of it didn't and that's key out of 1.3 million in the San Fernando Valley only 57 died.[/QUOTE]

Not to scare anyone...but you may wanna get out of US now as the Illuminati has planned the BIG ONE anytime soon.

Haiti earthquake was the symbolism, just like fall of Tiger woods, just before the year of the Tiger from Chinese zodiac.

It could be nuclear, earthquake or financial collapse from Feb 1 to Feb 14, 2010..very important dates for the Illuminati to carry out their nasty plans.

[url]http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/49-december-19-55-days-before-2010-olympics-health-care-reform-bill-passes-merging-merying-marrying-the-health-care-reform-bill-climate-change-conference-frustrates-50-days-before-olympics/[/url]

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Not to scare anyone...but you may wanna get out of US now as the Illuminati has planned the BIG ONE anytime soon.

Haiti earthquake was the symbolism, just like fall of Tiger woods, just before the year of the Tiger from Chinese zodiac.

It could be nuclear, earthquake or financial collapse from Feb 1 to Feb 14, 2010..very important dates for the Illuminati to carry out their nasty plans.

[url]http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/49-december-19-55-days-before-2010-olympics-health-care-reform-bill-passes-merging-merying-marrying-the-health-care-reform-bill-climate-change-conference-frustrates-50-days-before-olympics/[/url][/QUOTE]Some one call the guys in the white coats.

One must have escaped!

To clarify that.. I live here in Bogota.... I miss NOTHING in infrastructure from the US.... I have only cold water here, but I could get hot water on demand if I wanted it... cheaply. Newer buildings are built like shit here, but that goes for just about everywhere... and they ARE for the most part earthquake complaint in a way almost nothing is in the US. Not that I really think thinking about such things is anything more than a waste of time, but for the record...

I make about 2/3 of what I made in NY, and my expenses WITH health insurance, maid service and sending my laundry out are about 1/6 of what they were in the US having to do all my own cleaning and laundry and with NO insurance. That's a pretty big difference in quality of life.

Not to mention I have a whole new standard for what a good looking woman is, and an even greater one for level of conversation, intelligence, etc.

The US is FINISHED!

[QUOTE=Ezinho]Well, the way the economy is going in the U.S., people will be lucky to even get door greeter jobs.

Not to get into an economics discussion, but for us younger guys, maybe 35 and under, I really don't think there is any reason for us to stay in the U.S. The entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare will be severely depleted by the time we reach retirement age. Taxes are too high, the cost of living, food, medical care, are just way too expensive. Too many rules and regulations. And the pussy quality in America, for the most part, is terrible.

You may be right about the problems associated with living in the third world. The older I get and the more I think about it, it's not all it's cracked up to be, living in the third world with a first world bank account. However, there are many places here in Asia, for example, that have a high standard of living, with good jobs, AND good pussy prospects. Ever been to Singapore? Fantastic place, clean, good economy, jobs (if you have skills/education) and the pussy is excellent. Hong Kong is good too. Low taxes; the freest economy in the world, I think it was voted. Even where I live now in South Korea, the economy here is doing very well; a lot of good job opportunites for the savvy. The pussy scene here isn't the best but it's still light years above the States!

We really need an ex-pats thread here on the ISG to discuss things like this.

Gentlemen, run away from the U.S. Run fast, run hard, run like Mexican tap water through a first time gringo tourist, the key work here is RUN![/QUOTE]
It’s true that there wouldn’t be much to look forward to from social security in the future for young guys. The tax situation is not the best either if you’re a single high earner. However, while some guys are finding good jobs in places with decent standards of living, others are becoming bamboo hut dwellers or living in sweltering apartments subsisting on little more than rice with the occasional chicken gizzard. It was this kind of austere self imposed living conditions that I referred to.

There is nothing wrong with leaving the U.S. if you can improve your standard of living by doing so. What I find questionable is sacrificing present and future earnings for the sake of pussy while jeopardizing one’s health and safety in the process. I have, and I’m sure some of you have, met older American guys down on skid row abroad roaming the streets in fits of raving madness. All I’m saying is guys should have a better plan for expatriation than teaching English or becoming a musician.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]...What I find questionable is sacrificing present and future earnings for the sake of pussy while jeopardizing one’s health and safety in the process. I have, and I’m sure some of you have, met older American guys down on skid row abroad roaming the streets in fits of raving madness. All I’m saying is guys should have a better plan for expatriation than teaching English or becoming a musician.[/QUOTE]

Your reasoning is good, except for one missing part of the picture - for most of us teaching in Thailand, the alternative back in the US is not a better standard of living, but some job on the order of working in a convenience store. I make around $1,200/month in Thailand, and this is probably roughly what I could make in the US as well.

Guys that are will to pay 20% for 18 - 25 years for a piece of a*s today is pathetic.

Some guys leave the USA to chase a*s and place themselves in peril.

Waiting for the retirement pension to explore the world, or better yet, one country is not a successful life. You better justify it by saying, "I was there for my kids."

The USA has 320 million suckers: It's only natural that a few thousand will sneak out of the USA and bring their ignorance and caballo mentality to a foreign locale. This is why if you live in a place, you can win 'cause they will learn that you aren't the caballo.

320 million suckers: How many of those "poo-butts" go to monger meccas? And how many of them strictly chase prostitutes? How many of these "Old Gringos" can communicate with the populace? How many of these fools can get a date or court a non-prostitute?

Answer: They aren't any competition and if they want to act foolish, 'oh well. While he sends Western Union and gets himself in further USA legislative actions, I'll still be f*cking her. And so will everyone else. And while I'm f*cking her I laugh at the sucker; she laughs too; and I bust a raw dogg nutt in her cheeks, vagina, and rectum.

[quote=opebo]your reasoning is good, except for one missing part of the picture - for most of us teaching in thailand, the alternative back in the us is not a better standard of living, but some job on the order of working in a convenience store. i make around $1,200/month in thailand, and this is probably roughly what i could make in the us as well.[/quote]
this is correct. and there is more:

1. you could work really hard in the us and repeat the party line (about this or that) and still find yourself downsized. going through my various degrees (2 in chemistry), i have found that if you can find a bench job, then the market price is about $15 per hour ($30,000 per annum) with benefits of which you must bear the greater part of the cost. after about 5 years of experience, then the price goes up to about $20 per hour ($40,000 per annum). it's an ok salary (but likely not enough to land a hot asian girl. and even if you did land her, it is likely that that bell would stop ringing after about one year of sex with the same person) .

2. if you work teaching english (i have done that) or teaching science (i do that now) or playing music (i have done that before and will get back to it as soon as i can feel my way around this city), at least there is a demand for your services. i remember once passing through a university lobby in the united states. there was a quartet (keyboard, drums, guitar and bass guitar) and they were playing jazz standards. (they are not easy to play and require a lot of practice to get up to playable speed.) they each got $20!!! and this is after buying their own equipment and lugging it along with them. on the other hand, i played christmas (piano) at a hotel and got 1,300rmb for less than an hour worth of work. i saw a white girl here (she had the iq of a random boot full of ukrainian goat [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]) who made a living as a singer. i met another hispanic chick (she was very attractive) who couldn't find work in the states-- even with her sexy looks. but she could find it here in china-- even if it was only at a small bar. non ideal jobs are probably better than none at all.

3. how many people in the us did all that saving/ sacrificing and how much income was foregone to pay for a house-- the value of which promptly turned into garbage as soon as the real estate (emperor has no clothes) crisis hit? i have an aunt that paid $400,000 for a house that she almost couldn't give away. people in my hometown built houses up off the ground-- and then got sat out of them when the crisis hit. after "quantitative easing," a lot of those people are going to find out that people who took another route actually came out a lot better off. (i don't need to remind you that you could buy a $50,000 car and have it paid off in 5-6 years but a $50,000 house would take something like 10 years.)

4. the point of having income is for access to pussy. don't you remember aristotle onassis saying "if there were no women, you could have all the money in the world and it would have no meaning"? and the women in the united states are not, by and large, much to write home about. if you have an average income (and access to fat, ugly women) in the states vs. an above average income (when you calculate it in the local currency) and accommodation included and access to the best looking supply of women on the planet (like in china/ japan/ thailand), i am not sure who is coming out way ahead. but when you consider how much more generally expensive pussy is in the united states, it kind of makes you think.

if you are heavily into the pay for play scene, you still win! you get to fuck women that you would never be able to get at home (1) of higher quality than you might be able to get dating in the local market in whatever asian country you are in (2) maximum vaginal multiplicity/ variety (3) and access to this vagina on the terms that you want it (=with a minimum of conversation) (4) and they get up and leave when you are finished with them (5). i think sinatra said that you don't pay a hooker to stay. you pay her to leave.

so, i guess in a nutshell, that it is not a good idea to think of people as less intelligent if they make their calculation about what is valuable/ feasible/ useful/ sensible based on a different data set. and as this crisis has shown us, many years of hard work can go up in smoke *just* that quickly.

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Not to scare anyone...but you may wanna get out of US now as the Illuminati has planned the BIG ONE anytime soon.

Haiti earthquake was the symbolism, just like fall of Tiger woods, just before the year of the Tiger from Chinese zodiac.

It could be nuclear, earthquake or financial collapse from Feb 1 to Feb 14, 2010..very important dates for the Illuminati to carry out their nasty plans.

[url]http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/49-december-19-55-days-before-2010-olympics-health-care-reform-bill-passes-merging-merying-marrying-the-health-care-reform-bill-climate-change-conference-frustrates-50-days-before-olympics/[/url][/QUOTE]

I really believe the next big one will be the complete collapse of the World's Financial system. We ain't seen anything yet. The collapse of 2008 was just the primer, the fuse has been lit, the Banking elites have made out like bandits, main street will be left to deal with the mess.

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]I really believe the next big one will be the complete collapse of the World's Financial system. We ain't seen anything yet. The collapse of 2008 was just the primer, the fuse has been lit, the Banking elites have made out like bandits, main street will be left to deal with the mess.[/QUOTE]Please, no conspiracy theorists! Would it surprise you to know that there have been many financial collapses before? The world bounced back from the Great Depression. And it bounced back from the 80s. And it bounced back again from the Asian Crisis of 1997? And I found out that it has been going on for even longer than that. Some people wrote a book about 800 years of financial crises. (When I get through this latest shipment of books, I will buy that one and have it imported.) What is your evidence to say that this time is fundamentally different from every other time? And how is it defined?

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Please, no conspiracy theorists! Would it surprise you to know that there have been many financial collapses before? The world bounced back from the Great Depression. And it bounced back from the 80s. And it bounced back again from the Asian Crisis of 1997? And I found out that it has been going on for even longer than that. Some people wrote a book about 800 years of financial crises. (When I get through this latest shipment of books, I will buy that one and have it imported.) What is your evidence to say that this time is fundamentally different from every other time? And how is it defined?[/QUOTE]

The ease and issuance of too much debt caused some banks to suffer. Banks have various budgets for various loans: They don't invest their entire portfolio upon your "word" or credit report.

US $1 circulates the economy / banking system 9 times.

The foolish behaivor, evidence by USA government spending at present, of indebtedness is how the system ceased. The banks simply stopped wanting to take the risk. It's only been less than 18-months of tighter loan requirements.

Banks are not in business to loan you money for your consumer lifestyle and dreams. They are in business to loan money and make a profit from the interest.

It's not their problem that you, debtors, don't have responsible financial management practices.

I'm glad it ceased and I'll be happier when foreclosures and bankruptcies increase. Teach you debtors a lesson.

This notion that everyone should have a house is foolish USA indebtedness. 70% mortgage holders, not home owners.

Markets go up and down. Money is made on both sides. A collapse is good if you're short or purchase discounted assets.

USA has 0% financial / economic education, evidenced by their consumer economy of 60% GDP. Their voice / opinion is moot due to their ignorance. Prime example is buying a car, depreciating asset, every 5-years. US $30,000 car will cost US $45,000 in 5-years and be worth US $15,000. Real smart.

Creditors have the rights, not the debtor. After the first three creditors get paid in a "BK", all of the money is gone and everyone else is empty handed including the employees (ie. #7 in line) and the tax man.

All because the USA ceased does not mean the market ceased elsewhere!

Lastly, other loans are available for "credit worthy" customers, but the USA debtor is not credit worthy. All the USA debtor has is a "guaranteed" labour market and legislation that forces them to stay on the treadmill to satisfy the debt payment.

Loans are available, but not on your signature: We want tangible collateral. And the rates have increased. You're paying up to 18% for credit cards, but don't want to pay 10% - 14% for a business loan? They don't want to pay 2% for a factored invoice.

18-months is nothing anyway. Markets trend for decades. And this notion that a recession is bad is also some nonsense.

[QUOTE=Member #2041]The Northridge Quake was 6.7 on the Richter, not 5.7, but in fact, it had a ground acceleration metric of 1 g that was typical of a 7.5 quake but the duration was more typical of 6.0 quake.[/QUOTE]

After 10 or more years some facts become fuzzy thanks for the corrections.

It shook like a MOFO, I was screaming like a ***** but, as my boy always will point out, when the ground stops moving are the women going to go out and shut off the power and the gas to prevent things from going kaboom?

That's the first thing me and Pops did...

In other AW related news, I found this on Black Men Vent -

[url]http://www.newsweek.com/id/232112[/url]

[quote]The Case Against Settling


Remember that scene in When Harry Met Sally when Harry refuses to believe that a man called Sheldon could be a great lover? "A Sheldon can do your taxes," he says. "If you need a root canal, he's your man. But between the sheets is not Sheldon's strong suit." Sally didn't care—but Lori Gottlieb did. In her new book, Marry Him: The Case for Settling for Mr. Good Enough, she says she hesitated before dating someone because he had the name of a "nerdy sidekick." She also balked at the fact that he had been upset by his divorce a year earlier, he loved sports, and he was born in the Bronx, a place she "associated with beer-can-smashing guys with thick accents." Her type, she said, was "sophisticated intellectuals."

Sounds awful, right? As she weighed up her matchmaker's assurances that this man was not "belching" or "rough talking" and had been Ivy League-educated, "Sheldon" started dating another woman. This incident caused Gottlieb to rethink her standards—and go on to mount a case that the reason many women are unable to find love is that they are superficial and hypercritical, as she was. Gottlieb, a 42-year-old single mother, caused quite a stir when she wrote a piece for The Atlantic in 2008 telling women to settle for men with shortcomings like bad breath—and not hold out for a big, heart-clenching love. If they did not, she argued, they would find themselves alone and without someone to help with the hard slog of bringing up kids. Marriage, she wrote, was not a "passionfest," but a "boring, nonprofit business." Just makes a girl want to crack open the champagne, doesn't it? In her book, Gottlieb posits herself as the latest example of that now-clichéd cautionary tale, Women Who Dare to Dream of Love, Don't Find It, and End Up Tragically Alone. The prevalence of these kinds of stories does not diminish the struggle and heartbreak behind them. Gottlieb's sadness is another lament for the unlucky in a generation who delayed marriage longer than any other, risking their fertility, and found themselves fighting for a family in ways our mothers would not have dreamed of. Half a dozen of my friends are having children on their own: buying sperm, signing up for IVF, freezing eggs.

But it's a leap of illogic to suggest that the answer is for women to settle for humdrum marriages with men you tolerate so you can have a father for your children. How insulting for men: imagine going to a boyfriend's house and seeing Marry Her: The Case for Settling for Ms. Good Enough on his shelves. And whom does Gottlieb blame? Guess. "I know this is an unpopular thing to say," she writes, "but feminism has completely f--ked up my love life." Um, I know why it's unpopular: because it's completely unfair. Feminism is a centuries-old social movement, not a self-help book—we can't blame it for bad decisions we make about men. The problem, as Gottlieb sees it, is that women were told they could have it all, which meant not compromising in any aspect of life, including dating (which is odd because people who can't compromise aren't feminists, they are just generally unpleasant people). Then women got so fussy that they "empowered themselves out of a mate."

This twisted thinking makes my head hurt. First, the only evidence offered to prove that women expect too much is anecdotal. Are some women too picky? Sure. People are shallow, unkind, and judgmental. But I don't know any women who have checklists. If they do, I imagine it's something most grow out of. If you will only date someone who looks like Brad Pitt, "earns a gazillion dollars, and makes your knees go weak every time you're together," as Gottlieb writes, then you're probably either 20 or stupid. Most of us just want to love and be loved. The data show that when it comes to money and education, women are in fact lowering their standards. A Pew study released Jan. 19 found that in 1970, 4 percent of wives earned more than their husbands. In 2007, 22 percent did. The percentage of women who had more education than their husbands rose from 20 to 28.

Second, no movement could possibly tame the great wild lions of love, lust, and luck. Feminists fought for respect and equality: they never promised a perfect world, where nonbelching princes would gallop up at exactly the right time and impregnate us. They told us to be wary of fairy tales, and not to spend our lives waiting for them to come true. It doesn't mean you have to "settle," or give up on love. Some things are still worth dreaming about.

Julia Baird[/quote]

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"I had a female neighbor who was with the neanderthal with the greek god looks, when she had trouble in her life, I helped her in a number of ways that her boyfriend would not. I didnt see her as a potential mate, her life was waay too out of whack, if anything, I had pity for her situation. After they split up, one weekend when she drank too much, she told me that she had feelings for me. I tried to be pleasant but firm, but told her outright that we were not a romantic match. She found a near exact replica of the last boyfriend,along with a replicated list of problems, and would regularly lament that "If only he acted like you" and it occurred to me that she was really saying, "If only You looked like him." If looks are all you're after, that's all You're going to get. So every time she would complain about her man, I would chime in "Yeah, but he looks good, right?" She never caught my hint. She lost her house and I've lost contact with her, and I keep thinking she's probably got the best looking guy in the trailer park. (Not intended to offend anyone living in a trailer park, I've lived in one myself in the past, but I hope You get my point.)"

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Please, no conspiracy theorists! Would it surprise you to know that there have been many financial collapses before? The world bounced back from the Great Depression. And it bounced back from the 80s. And it bounced back again from the Asian Crisis of 1997? And I found out that it has been going on for even longer than that. Some people wrote a book about 800 years of financial crises. (When I get through this latest shipment of books, I will buy that one and have it imported.) What is your evidence to say that this time is fundamentally different from every other time? And how is it defined?[/QUOTE]

These three charts show just how truly screwed up we are as a nation. There are rumors that the U.S Govt has plans to raid our 401k retirement plans, since the Chinese, Japanese and other foreigners have stopped buying our debt. Foreigners have finally figured out our debt is worthless and will never be paid back.

If you notice the Debt to GDP chart shows a smaller peak on the left which was the Debt mountain built during the Great Depression and took a decade to work itself through. Now look at the Debt mountain on the right which is our debt problem right at this very moment. How long do you think it's going to take to work itself out?

The amateur porn video of John Edwards fucking his pregnant mistress, Rielle Hunter, is expected to out sell Avatar when it finally hits the market. Interestingly, Andrew Young's wife and Elizabeth Edwards both went along with covering up the love child during Edwards' presidential campaign in the hopes of benefiting if he won. It shows that while AW huff and puff about the sanctity of marriage in the end money and power trumps all.

Edwards is well on his way of becoming the John Holmes of the political sex scandal industry and he seems to be adjusting to his new found fame quite well.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Edwards is well on his way of becoming the John Holmes of the political sex scandal industry and he seems to be adjusting to his new found fame quite well.[/QUOTE]Hey. It depends on what your definition of is is.

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]These three charts show just how truly screwed up we are as a nation. There are rumors that the U.S Govt has plans to raid our 401k retirement plans, since the Chinese, Japanese and other foreigners have stopped buying our debt. Foreigners have finally figured out our debt is worthless and will never be paid back.

If you notice the Debt to GDP chart shows a smaller peak on the left which was the Debt mountain built during the Great Depression and took a decade to work itself through. Now look at the Debt mountain on the right which is our debt problem right at this very moment. How long do you think it's going to take to work itself out?[/QUOTE]I agree. Let's simplify all this even more. Our national debt should hit about $13 trillion in the hole after this year's projected $1. 6 trillion deficit. Compare that with say China which has TRILLIONS in RESERVE. Why should they continue to buy our treasuries which currently yield anywhere from. 05 to 2% percent depending on maturity and their AAA ratings start to become questionable. Why not start buying some quality US companies and some fairly priced US prime real estate with all this trillions in reserve? That's where it's slowly headed: Equity losses for the US and even more of a debtor future.

[QUOTE=Born Loser 5]Not to scare anyone...but you may wanna get out of US now as the Illuminati has planned the BIG ONE anytime soon.

Haiti earthquake was the symbolism, just like fall of Tiger woods, just before the year of the Tiger from Chinese zodiac.

It could be nuclear, earthquake or financial collapse from Feb 1 to Feb 14, 2010..very important dates for the Illuminati to carry out their nasty plans.

[url]http://illuminatimatrix.wordpress.com/49-december-19-55-days-before-2010-olympics-health-care-reform-bill-passes-merging-merying-marrying-the-health-care-reform-bill-climate-change-conference-frustrates-50-days-before-olympics/[/url][/QUOTE]

Anything about Tila Tequila in there?

[QUOTE=Calculator]I agree. Let's simplify all this even more. Our national debt should hit about $13 trillion in the hole after this year's projected $1. 6 trillion deficit. Compare that with say China which has TRILLIONS in RESERVE. Why should they continue to buy our treasuries which currently yield anywhere from. 05 to 2% percent depending on maturity and their AAA ratings start to become questionable. Why not start buying some quality US companies and some fairly priced US prime real estate with all this trillions in reserve? That's where it's slowly headed: Equity losses for the US and even more of a debtor future.[/QUOTE]

It's rather funny how the USA thinks they're doing something. For a country that is only 230 years old, roughly speaking, China is thousands of years old. China has watched countries start and finish. They watched the USA for a few centuries and decided to play the USA game for a while. The USA can't beat China in anything: War, finance, population control, etcetera.

Since the USA is a 100% consumer, not saver they will forever be on the treadmill. As long as they can purchase consumer items to "fool" their neighbors and others overseas, the USA will be happy. In return, the creditor will be China or someone of similar status.

[QUOTE=Mike12]Anything about Tila Tequila in there?[/QUOTE]

:)...She could be another mind control CIA slaves...who knows...Aren't there enough kids in US to be adopted?

The thing with American women (and AmericanIZED women), maybe world-wide I dunno, is that the more you give (money, time) the more they want. Sure, some of them give back (and can be good lovers, cooks, housekeepers) but it seems to me they are always COMPETING instead of cooperating. And they are never satisfied. And when they get in their 40s and 50s - forget it. They all become menopausal psychotics to some degree.

E.g.1, My buddy three houses down from me has been married for 20+ years. Helluva nice guy: electrician, good looking, tall, nice home, plays guitar for fun, putting two kids through college (one at Stanford) so he has his act together, right? His wife now keeps track of the time he plays guitar instead of doing bullshit with her and for her. I mean she actually tallies the hours. Can you believe this shit? I don't know why he puts up with it.

E.g.,2, my next buddy married a nice Filipina, put her through nursing school in California where she now makes >100K. He recently retired after working hard his whole life. He has to beg her for money now because she sends a third to her moocher relatives in the PI and spends another third on bullshit she sees on TV; and she has a gambling debt of 50K. Not a real good retirement plan if you ask me.

E.g., 3 my next buddy married a cute little busty Russian girl who produced three kids (she's 30 something, he fifty something). She is a homemaker (no paid job) and he is in finance; and did pretty good until last coupla years. He bought her a brand new mercedes benz for her birthday (imagine someone giving you a car like that). Her response: "why didn't you buy the bigger model"? I swear, that's what she said. Can you believe this shit?

It is for these reasons that I am leaving America, American women and Americanized women: these broads have forgotten their role: to be a helpmate to their man (not a burden). I'm certain you have your own true horror stories.

As I have stated many times in different ISG forums, I'm going to retire in or near Dumaguete, PI (near Cebu) in 10 years or less (I'm 54). Hell, the USA is going downhill anyway. Our bipartisan politics and big business rote greed have irretrievably fucked it all up. I am a business professor and I know what I am talking about.

In Dumaguete, my goal is to find a 20-something Pinay to put through nursing school and bolt on some DDs. Maybe marry her so we can buy property and build a self-designed house. She can work if she wants but her main job is to take care of me. Not that I need any nursing -- just good sex :). We may visit America but she will never live here to avoid the inevitable tainting exemplified above.

If any of you mongers want to settle down when you are ready join me in Dumaguete, hit me up. There are quite a few Americans and Europeans living there and we will have a good 'ol time unencumbered by the tragedy that typifies American women.

'Til then, happy horndogging!

D Cups:

You hit it right on the head with your 3 examples of your buddies. How sad for them. I have been thinking about marrying a foreign woman the last couple of years now (I'm 47). However, since becoming a member of this site, I have learned that it's the americanization/westernization that does it and not whether she is necessarily born here or in another country.

As cynical as I've become of American women, I'm also slowly becoming cynical of those who establish roots here from other countries and get ingrained into our crazy " feminist " culture. I've seen beautiful Polish girls and Chinese girls who, in a few short years here, have changed dramatically and are also becoming too demanding to us here.

The living abroad idea is slowly starting to make more sense for myself as well. I was startled by how jealous a couple of my married buddies were when I got back from the DR last fall. I will do a little research on your PI location also.

some sexy-voiced mexicana related to my work has been suggesting we spend time together. she's in another city, so i requested she e-mail a photo, and sure enough, she's a big girl. they put extra work into the voice.

and i'm thinking of the last big girl i was with, a gringa. and though i straight up told that broad i wasn't looking for a relationship, she's totally hating me now that i agreed to forego sex if i didn't want to commit.

the reality is what peers have explained to me all along. there's no fury worse than a woman scorned.

but at the same time, after a certain age, unless they're loaded, which is an alibi, any sexual encounter hinges on being a lease-to-buy situation. if they take the dick, you must commit. or they just hate you. which ain't so bad.

my brother noticed in college how girls would even look at his shoes to judge his income. though we do well now, we both still dress like bums.

and yet i'm feeling this increased pressure to put on airs to snag superficial women.

Wow, you are planning your retirement. Too bad it's 10-years away before you'll start getting that Filipina p*ssy.

[QUOTE=Calculator]D Cups:

You hit it right on the head with your 3 examples of your buddies. How sad for them. I have been thinking about marrying a foreign woman the last couple of years now (I'm 47). However, since becoming a member of this site, I have learned that it's the americanization/westernization that does it and not whether she is necessarily born here or in another country.

As cynical as I've become of American women, I'm also slowly becoming cynical of those who establish roots here from other countries and get ingrained into our crazy " feminist " culture. I've seen beautiful Polish girls and Chinese girls who, in a few short years here, have changed dramatically and are also becoming too demanding to us here.

The living abroad idea is slowly starting to make more sense for myself as well. I was startled by how jealous a couple of my married buddies were when I got back from the DR last fall. I will do a little research on your PI location also.[/QUOTE]

It's obvious that anybody who wants to immigrate or visit the USA, wants to become an American in all of its forms.

In contrast, I immigrated to Latin America from the USA, age 25, and have not attempted to become "Nicaraguan-ized."

I do not date any girl that wants to go to the USA. Besides, I won't be a USA citizen for much longer, thank God.

[quote=vaquero]some sexy-voiced mexicana related to my work has been suggesting we spend time together. she's in another city, so i requested she e-mail a photo, and sure enough, she's a big girl. they put extra work into the voice.

and i'm thinking of the last big girl i was with, a gringa. and though i straight up told that broad i wasn't looking for a relationship, she's totally hating me now that i agreed to forego sex if i didn't want to commit.

the reality is what peers have explained to me all along. there's no fury worse than a woman scorned.

but at the same time, after a certain age, unless they're loaded, which is an alibi, any sexual encounter hinges on being a lease-to-buy situation. if they take the dick, you must commit. or they just hate you. which ain't so bad.

my brother noticed in college how girls would even look at his shoes to judge his income. though we do well now, we both still dress like bums.

and yet i'm feeling this increased pressure to put on airs to snag superficial women.[/quote]

show the hoes flash; get them hooked; f*ck them hoes; and give them us $0. don't spend too much on the date, if you even bother taking her on a date. i'm honest and tell them straight-up that they better pay.

they reply, "i can do bad all by myself." my answer, "then go ahead. goodbye."

females cannot take / accept it when you refuse the p*ssy. i love turning down the p*ssy.

to win as a male, you must be 100% hardcore and the person you truly don't want to be. unfortunately, survival requires the male behave that way. if not, he'll be a caballo waiting for his 60s to start f*cking females again. he's scared to commit adultery until that time.

So, I've gotten more vicious with my "pimp hand" when it comes to these hoes.

Topic of Conversation: Children.

Girls will ask if I have any children and I tell them yes, although I do not. I then immediately tell that the mother gets US $0 in "child support." This is said as to thwart their idea that they can play me for 20-years with offspring. They then ask why the mother gets US $0 in financial assistance to rear the offspring. I reply that I need my cash for their p*ssy access and whatever loser the mother finds can pay her for p*ssy access, just as I am doing with the hoe-of-the-day. I then tell them that children are the problem of the mother.

What's funny is that all of these girls have children and are struggling, if not prostituting, for SURVIVAL and financial subsistence of the offspring.

I then tell them that my job as a male is to f*ck b*tches and get them pregnant. And when they do get pregnant, it will be cool, but don't expect anything other than US $0. In fact, I might not give a f*ck.

Do you know what happens next?

We have sex raw dogg and while we're f*cking I'm telling them that I'm going to get them pregnant with a huge load. I then bust a nutt in their gutts and tell them you contact me in 9-months when the baby is born. I hold their legs high in the air so that the sperm can travel to their ovaries.

Females Don't Give a F*ck.

Although I try to make the most unattractive proprosition that guarantees their demise, they don't care. They simply want to f*ck and maybe get pregnant so they can have a new toy to display.

And they want males to take responsibility for the female's actions / motives.

If I were them, I would run far away from me when I use this "sales pitch" 'cause it's gauranteed failure for them.

It's not the fault of the American woman, it's the fault of the American man. We are responsible for the condition of the American women: lazy, selfish, dependent, materialistic, and self-entitled, with no sense of duty or honor.

It's not just that American men have slowly given away their legal advantages, American men have put "pussy on a pedestal."

So what does that really mean, "pussy on a pedestal"? It means that American men value women more than themselves. Ain't that some crazy shit? What's even worse is that American men have been exporting these crazy ideas through travel and media to continents where men know how to control their women. You think anyone in Asia, Africa, or South America believes that a woman has more "value" than a man? Fuck NO!!! But in the USA, you see examples of American man's low self-image everyday. From Tiger Woods to John Edwards to Bill Clinton. Rich, famous, powerful men of value losing millions or losing power to women of so infinitesimal value.

Just because you can take the American man out of the states (Brazil, Thailand, Colombia), doesn't mean that the states (this wrong-headed mentality) isn't still in him. Until American men can truly view women as their inferiors and pussy as just another commodity to be bought and sold, nothing is going to change in this country. Don't "be" Tiger Woods, be... "Chris Brown."

Raise your sons "right" and don't fear the use of the "pimp hand."

-Helpmann :cool:

[QUOTE=Helpmann]Just because you can take the American man out of the states (Brazil, Thailand, Colombia), doesn't mean that the states (this wrong-headed mentality) isn't still in him. Until American men can truly view women as their inferiors and pussy as just another commodity to be bought and sold, nothing is going to change in this country. Don't "be" Tiger Woods, B. "Chris Brown. "

Raise your sons "right" and don't fear the use of the "pimp hand. "

-Helpmann[/QUOTE]While I generally agree with you and I wake up every morning, thankful that I never married and don't have any kids I will disagree about going "Chris Brown" on a woman. Hitting a woman is not acceptable as far as I am concerned and it can also lead to a lot of legal trouble as well. You can still have a strong pimp hand without resorting to violence.

[QUOTE=Calculator]D Cups:

You hit it right on the head with your 3 examples of your buddies. How sad for them. I have been thinking about marrying a foreign woman the last couple of years now (I'm 47). However, since becoming a member of this site, I have learned that it's the americanization/westernization that does it and not whether she is necessarily born here or in another country.

As cynical as I've become of American women, I'm also slowly becoming cynical of those who establish roots here from other countries and get ingrained into our crazy " feminist " culture. I've seen beautiful Polish girls and Chinese girls who, in a few short years here, have changed dramatically and are also becoming too demanding to us here.

The living abroad idea is slowly starting to make more sense for myself as well. I was startled by how jealous a couple of my married buddies were when I got back from the DR last fall. I will do a little research on your PI location also.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, Calculator. All --every one of-- my married buddies wish they weren't. It's just a matter of time for the newlyweds, too.

Yes, check out Dumaguete and the rest of Negro Island. Let's start a colony of Filipinomericans there! I particularly want to invite amateur musicians who like to rock and roll to 70s music. I'm planning on building a small ampitheatre and studio where we can jam to our heart's content. What a great way to spend the golden years! Rockin and rollin with some sweet young pussy! Dumaguete is not for *****mongers and I hope never becomes that way but there is plenty of pussy in nearby Cebu.

As for Meatloaf, I nailed 20 Filipinas in 26 days last year so I think I know how good their pussies are! Why do you think I am moving there? :)
I lived at Clark in the 80s, too. Former executive officer of Clark AB.

I travel annually on business to Vietnam and visit at least one other country while I'm there. This year it is BKK and HCMC (and Vung Tau). Next year it will be HCMC, Penom Penh, Cebu and Dumaguete. I love my job!

[QUOTE=Helpmann]It's not the fault of the American woman, it's the fault of the American man. We are responsible for the condition of the American women: lazy, selfish, dependent, materialistic, and self-entitled, with no sense of duty or honor.

It's not just that American men have slowly given away their legal advantages, American men have put "pussy on a pedestal."

So what does that really mean, "pussy on a pedestal"? It means that American men value women more than themselves. Ain't that some crazy shit? What's even worse is that American men have been exporting these crazy ideas through travel and media to continents where men know how to control their women. You think anyone in Asia, Africa, or South America believes that a woman has more "value" than a man? Fuck NO!!! But in the USA, you see examples of American man's low self-image everyday. From Tiger Woods to John Edwards to Bill Clinton. Rich, famous, powerful men of value losing millions or losing power to women of so infinitesimal value.

Just because you can take the American man out of the states (Brazil, Thailand, Colombia), doesn't mean that the states (this wrong-headed mentality) isn't still in him. Until American men can truly view women as their inferiors and pussy as just another commodity to be bought and sold, nothing is going to change in this country. Don't "be" Tiger Woods, be... "Chris Brown."

Raise your sons "right" and don't fear the use of the "pimp hand."

-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]At the core of each of us is our own personal value sytem. I'm not saying we should de-value women but maybe Helpmann is right. Women HAVE de-valued men and we need to reclaim our masculinity in another part of the world where men are still men.

I work with a lot of women and have to outwardly demonstrate respect for their professional contributions and families but I could never, ever let them know how I really feel about their big fat asses and sad and sorry ambitions. Now I just smile and envision living in Dumaguete with a young busty honey in a few short years :).

Though I agree that the USA is in bad shape, I think you have it backwards. The financial overleveraged itself with shoddy loans and the government bailed it out. Banks aren't loaning now because it is unprofitable to do so (there being no opportunities to make a buck).

I would also caution about economic activity "elsewhere". The fact is that the USA is still the consumer engine in the world. For all China's DFI industry, their domestic market is a joke (probably smaller then Taiwan). The world is filled with overcapacity and a shrinking pool of consumers. If the USA goes, so do you.

[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]The ease and issuance of too much debt caused some banks to suffer. Banks have various budgets for various loans: They don't invest their entire portfolio upon your "word" or credit report.

US $1 circulates the economy / banking system 9 times.

The foolish behaivor, evidence by USA government spending at present, of indebtedness is how the system ceased. The banks simply stopped wanting to take the risk. It's only been less than 18-months of tighter loan requirements.

Banks are not in business to loan you money for your consumer lifestyle and dreams. They are in business to loan money and make a profit from the interest.

It's not their problem that you, debtors, don't have responsible financial management practices.

I'm glad it ceased and I'll be happier when foreclosures and bankruptcies increase. Teach you debtors a lesson.

This notion that everyone should have a house is foolish USA indebtedness. 70% mortgage holders, not home owners.

Markets go up and down. Money is made on both sides. A collapse is good if you're short or purchase discounted assets.

USA has 0% financial / economic education, evidenced by their consumer economy of 60% GDP. Their voice / opinion is moot due to their ignorance. Prime example is buying a car, depreciating asset, every 5-years. US $30, 000 car will cost US $45, 000 in 5-years and be worth US $15, 000. Real smart.

Creditors have the rights, not the debtor. After the first three creditors get paid in a "BK", all of the money is gone and everyone else is empty handed including the employees (ie. #7 in line) and the tax man.

All because the USA ceased does not mean the market ceased elsewhere!

Lastly, other loans are available for "credit worthy" customers, but the USA debtor is not credit worthy. All the USA debtor has is a "guaranteed" labour market and legislation that forces them to stay on the treadmill to satisfy the debt payment.

Loans are available, but not on your signature: We want tangible collateral. And the rates have increased. You're paying up to 18% for credit cards, but don't want to pay 10%. 14% for a business loan? They don't want to pay 2% for a factored invoice.

18-months is nothing anyway. Markets trend for decades. And this notion that a recession is bad is also some nonsense.[/QUOTE]

Helpmann:

Being Chris Brown is not going to help anyone. Beating women and biting their ears and fingers like a rabid pit bull is not going to solve anything. It might get you some interesting nights in the local penitentiary at no extra charge though. Chris Brown was hardly in control of the situation. He wasn’t in control of himself. He lost his reputation and a lot of money because he acted inappropriately on volatile emotions based on his relationship with a woman. Rihanna was a victim of his violent actions but so was he. He felt powerless, emasculated and threatened by a woman and he attacked like a cornered animal. When a man with so many other choices puts himself in that situation it is a tragedy, not something to be emulated. Chris Brown is an example of what American men should not be. He could have walked away from Rihanna peacefully and had a much more attractive woman the next day. Instead he allowed himself to be played.

What American men should be teaching their sons is how to put away their wallets and allow women to pick up their fair share on dates. Teaching that the man always pays on dates sends the message that the woman’s time and company is more valuable than his and must be purchased. The fantasy of unconditional romantic love also has to go away. Boys must be made to understand that relationships are formed on mutual benefits. When these benefits go away one or both parties may choose to end the relationship and move on. These occasions should be seen as opportunities to do new things and meet new people, not times to go into mourning and listen to heartbreak songs. They should also be taught the truth about marriage as it is today, not the romantic folklore that they get fed by mommy. A good way to teach this is to let your son’s sister go into his room and take half of his shit. Allow her choose whatever she likes to be included in that half. Then make him pay half his allowance to her for a period of time. This will give him a real understanding of marriage and divorce.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Helpmann:

Being Chris Brown is not going to help anyone. Beating women and biting their ears and fingers like a rabid pit bull is not going to solve anything...[/QUOTE]NO! Tiger Woods is an example of what men should NOT be. Chris Brown was a pimp, plain and simple. Bobby Brown was a pimp. Ike Turner was a pimp. Their sexy rich biatches brought the money back to daddy. If every man in America was an Ike Turner, there would be no need for 3rd World mongering. Unfortunately, most American men are cowards.

American men won't use their "pimp hand." Instead, most American men either let their women walk over them or they travel to Africa, Asia, or South America (AAS), where the local men know how to keep their biatches in line. Once in AAS, American men exploit the cultural norms that have placed men above women for centuries. American men never have to lift their "pimp hand", because the local men have done it for them.

-Helpmann :cool:

[QUOTE=Helpmann]It's not the fault of the American woman, it's the fault of the American man. We are responsible for the condition of the American women: lazy, selfish, dependent, materialistic, and self-entitled, with no sense of duty or honor.

It's not just that American men have slowly given away their legal advantages, American men have put "pussy on a pedestal."

So what does that really mean, "pussy on a pedestal"? It means that American men value women more than themselves. Ain't that some crazy shit? What's even worse is that American men have been exporting these crazy ideas through travel and media to continents where men know how to control their women. You think anyone in Asia, Africa, or South America believes that a woman has more "value" than a man? Fuck NO!!! But in the USA, you see examples of American man's low self-image everyday. From Tiger Woods to John Edwards to Bill Clinton. Rich, famous, powerful men of value losing millions or losing power to women of so infinitesimal value.

Just because you can take the American man out of the states (Brazil, Thailand, Colombia), doesn't mean that the states (this wrong-headed mentality) isn't still in him. Until American men can truly view women as their inferiors and pussy as just another commodity to be bought and sold, nothing is going to change in this country. Don't "be" Tiger Woods, be... "Chris Brown."

Raise your sons "right" and don't fear the use of the "pimp hand."

-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]

Your mostly correct, it is a self created issue.

I find more issues when you [i]look inside the numbers[/i].

D describes a Philippine Women who got a ticket out of object poverty (I would say this is correct because as others have correctly stated on here, foreigners are generally rejected by middle/upper class Flips), was provided with an education and now works 50-60 hours a week in the US health care system.

Several things, if she has 50K in gambling debt, is she paying for it, or is he paying for it? I think that's key. You may think her family are a bunch of moochers but many jobs in PI are not well paying why not spend them money, even if its lift her family out of poverty. How many AW go off to college, get a well paying job and send money back home??????? - NONE!

RW I believe have been unfairly blamed for being Gold Diggers, especially those that speak English close to fluently, at least that's the perception.

I think its not quite the case, men ultimately make the decision to marry X woman, its never up to the woman really. What usually happens when women ask men to marry them? Its usually when the man has gone X amount of time without coming close to that question. Many men aren't upfront with their desires. If you have no intention of getting married, you shouldn't never leave any opening.

If I came home with a C Class Benz and she complained, its going back!

These guys picked the wrong women clearly.

This is where we really need to focus on:

The problem isn't marriage itself its WHO you marry

The problem isn't dating/courting women, its WHO you choose to date

So while I love to highlight the zaniness of typical AW/WW behavior, it is not lost on me when people like to use certain examples to backup their claim they want to blame our culture for indoctrinating foreign women with AW ideology, when I say its failure to pick up those clues that lead these men down the road of failure, in other words women that agree with AW ideology.

I know more foreign women that think AW are nuts and wouldn't mimic their behavior. This is hearsay of course, proof is in action.

I think the first problem is the tendency of males to believe they are playing Capt Save A Hoe especially to non-US citizens. You aren't saving these women, you are extending them an opportunity, treat it as such.

Don't you think these women KNOW how the game is played, even in other countries? Unless you are the first Western man in her village/town/city to take her away and marry her, which is HIGHLY unlikely.

Women talk, when they spend hours and hours on the phone back to their home country what the hell do you think they are talking about, especially if they are speaking their native language? They are expressly talking about how life is here in America and if anybody else is interested in such, you need to do a,b and c. Remember especially with Eastern European women; American women especially married one spend too much time dressed down, hair up in rollers and wearing sweat pants everywhere. They believe AM are desperate for good looking, skinny, cultured, attractive Woman.

They would be correct, but not only good women hear these stories, but bad women hear them. Wouldn't you think this gives the Bad Women shunned by local men for her behavior incentive to maybe try a bumbling, easily lead, desperate American male?

Some men are easy targets, aren't we fond of saying around here, there's a sucker born every minute? That sucker doesn't have to be you, let it happen to the next guy.

This has very little to do with lucky.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]

What American men should be teaching their sons is how to put away their wallets and allow women to pick up their fair share on dates. Teaching that the man always pays on dates sends the message that the woman’s time and company is more valuable than his and must be purchased. The fantasy of unconditional romantic love also has to go away. Boys must be made to understand that relationships are formed on mutual benefits. When these benefits go away one or both parties may choose to end the relationship and move on. These occasions should be seen as opportunities to do new things and meet new people, not times to go into mourning and listen to heartbreak songs. They should also be taught the truth about marriage as it is today, not the romantic folklore that they get fed by mommy. A good way to teach this is to let your son’s sister go into his room and take half of his shit. Allow her choose whatever she likes to be included in that half. Then make him pay half his allowance to her for a period of time. This will give him a real understanding of marriage and divorce.[/QUOTE]

Chocha Monger,

You're correct! Father's should teach their sons the truth and the techniques to win.

Instead, the mom rears the son with the female exploitationist mentality, while the father leaves and has little contact with the son. He never learns how not to pull caballo until after he's pulling caballo. And then he doesn't learn.

Fathers don't do their jobs as fathers. It's every male for himself regardless of genetics.

[QUOTE=Helpmann]NO! Tiger Woods is an example of what men should NOT be. Chris Brown was a pimp, plain and simple. Bobby Brown was a pimp. Ike Turner was a pimp. Their sexy rich biatches brought the money back to daddy. If every man in America was an Ike Turner, there would be no need for 3rd World mongering. Unfortunately, most American men are cowards.

American men won't use their "pimp hand." Instead, most American men either let their women walk over them or they travel to Africa, Asia, or South America (AAS), where the local men know how to keep their biatches in line. Once in AAS, American men exploit the cultural norms that have placed men above women for centuries. American men never have to lift their "pimp hand", because the local men have done it for them.

-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]
Pimping is a noncontact sport. Those guys are what real pimps call Magilla Gorillas and Godzillas. They might have hoes bringing them money but they’re simps. They’re gorillas who dress, walk and talk like pimps but they lack the finesse to control their hoes without resorting to violence. A good pimp gets hoes to give him their money willingly without using force. Gorillas and Godzillas beat their hoes to near death and eventually find themselves under pimp arrest. ;)

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Your mostly correct, it is a self created issue.

I find more issues when you [i]look inside the numbers[/i]...[/QUOTE]Aww dawg, be careful. That attitude is only going to lead to disappointment. Yes, you can't turn a ho into a housewife, but believe me, they all change. Yes, the hoes will be done with you in less than three years, but even the good ones will start to turn bad after 10 years if you can't keep the biatch in line. Unfortunately, the use of the "pimp hand" is hard to get away with in the United States.

Men in Africa, Asia, and South America (AAS) have a lot more leeway when it comes to keeping biatches in line. In Iran husbands can launch a charge of adultery against their wife (with no evidence) and have them stoned! In India, thousands of wives die each year due to "dowry deaths" resulting in only a handful of convictions! Don't tell me that ain't some serious "pimp hand."

Shit, 95% of Chinese children up for adoption are females!!! Women on these continents know that they're 2nd class citizens and the local men are keeping them in-line. Nevertheless, once these ladies set foot in the USA, the game changes

What can I say? Don't hate the player, hate the game. If you want an obedient loving wife, don't play that game in the United States.

-Helpmann :cool:

nice, well put!!!! man!!!
i travel 4 months a year! semi residence does get you respect abroad. i can''t even find a aw lately, i have had many many many aw g friends and hook ups but i am almost 40 and spoiled of the fruits in other countries

. i dress well classy artist, and guess what ?

there are few chicks worthy of me , i am too good for them esp. to play the game to get em.

i will fuck my left hand for life before a fat aw headache *****. marrage= game over.

don't get me wrong i respect women , hell i love them buy there are standards.

all my american women g friends must pass the 3 questions, and they do. here they are:

1 : roles!!!!! men and women have roles, lets define them, thats why there are so many divorces. i am the man don't speak up over me in public i make the decisions , of course with compromise, but allow me to be a man!!! masciline, dominate. with respect of course, what these aw women want is pussy men that crubble when they ***** and they are trapped, what women want a pussy ass wuss man, or a alpha man!!! we agree that i respoect her but allow me to express my natural masculinaty!!!word!, and i love and respect your femininety,

in latin america this is understood, the man is ythe man, the woman expresses her femininty, but the woman , wife hasx say and runs the house, okay ciool cuz she, like my tica mom, cooks cleans does laundry every day, raises the kids, ther ,man works pays there is an agreement that facilitates love , really,.

anyways my g friends aw agree to this.

2: drugs are okay as long as u have respect and are not a fool or addict rarely ocasional. no cristal of course.,

3; no bitching, you ***** i leave!

good luck fellow mongers







[quote=vaquero]some sexy-voiced mexicana related to my work has been suggesting we spend time together. she's in another city, so i requested she e-mail a photo, and sure enough, she's a big girl. they put extra work into the voice.

and i'm thinking of the last big girl i was with, a gringa. and though i straight up told that broad i wasn't looking for a relationship, she's totally hating me now that i agreed to forego sex if i didn't want to commit.

the reality is what peers have explained to me all along. there's no fury worse than a woman scorned.

but at the same time, after a certain age, unless they're loaded, which is an alibi, any sexual encounter hinges on being a lease-to-buy situation. if they take the dick, you must commit. or they just hate you. which ain't so bad.

my brother noticed in college how girls would even look at his shoes to judge his income. though we do well now, we both still dress like bums.

and yet i'm feeling this increased pressure to put on airs to snag superficial women.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Helpmann]NO! Tiger Woods is an example of what men should NOT B. Chris Brown was a pimp, plain and simple. Bobby Brown was a pimp. Ike Turner was a pimp. Their sexy rich biatches brought the money back to daddy. If every man in America was an Ike Turner, there would be no need for 3rd World mongering. Unfortunately, most American men are cowards.

American men won't use their "pimp hand. " Instead, most American men either let their women walk over them or they travel to Africa, Asia, or South America (AAS), where the local men know how to keep their biatches in line. Once in AAS, American men exploit the cultural norms that have placed men above women for centuries. American men never have to lift their "pimp hand", because the local men have done it for them.

-Helpmann: cool:[/QUOTE]The problem with your assertion is Ike turner did it when a man could get away with hitting a women and the law did nothing. Chris brown paid a heavy price for that incident and he was very lucky Riahnna refuse to cooperate with the police, and he still had to do community service and pay a fine. Jim brown was thrown in jail for 90 days. Now what do you think they would do to a non celebrate. So go ahead and swing that "pimp hand" but you better make sure you are ready to spend some time in jail for it because if LE gets involved. You might find yourself washing some guys underwear to keep him from keepin his "pimp hand strong". Player

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Pimping is a noncontact sport. Those guys are what real pimps call Magilla Gorillas and Godzillas. They might have hoes bringing them money but they’re simps. They’re gorillas who dress, walk and talk like pimps but they lack the finesse to control their hoes without resorting to violence. A good pimp gets hoes to give him their money willingly without using force. Gorillas and Godzillas beat their hoes to near death and eventually find themselves under pimp arrest. ;)[/QUOTE]

A good pimp has his women / females going to Corporate America every morning and bringing home their checks. Better yet, they direct deposited into his account or their joint account.

A good pimp gets women / females to give the pimp money with a few basics. (1) He's giving her guidance and will / is showing her how to achieve in her profession / Corporate America. (2) They are a team, and not a couple, with a common goal for the future. (3) They are partners / teammates. (4) He never used too much violence 'cause if she doesn't want his professional guidance for success in Corporate America, then she can leave. All of the other women he knows want his guidance and therefore he's in demand and everyone knows it. (5) This is how you P.I.M.P.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]The problem with your assertion is Ike turner did it when a man could get away with hitting a women and the law did nothing. Chris brown paid a heavy price for that incident and he was very lucky Riahnna refuse to cooperate with the police, and he still had to do community service and pay a fine. Jim brown was thrown in jail for 90 days. Now what do you think they would do to a non celebrate. So go ahead and swing that "pimp hand" but you better make sure you are ready to spend some time in jail for it because if LE gets involved. You might find yourself washing some guys underwear to keep him from keepin his "pimp hand strong". Player[/QUOTE]

Pimp hand does not refer to violence, but refers to control. Mental control, emotional control, financial control, reproductive control.

Pimp hand is / are the rules and regulations that you force all females to accept if they are to associate with you.

I play male-female relations like this. If you like it, let's play; if you don't like it, go away. That's Pimp Hand.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]The problem with your assertion is Ike turner did it when a man could get away with hitting a women and the law did nothing. Chris brown paid a heavy price for that incident and he was very lucky Riahnna refuse to cooperate with the police, and he still had to do community service and pay a fine. Jim brown was thrown in jail for 90 days. Now what do you think they would do to a non celebrate. So go ahead and swing that "pimp hand" but you better make sure you are ready to spend some time in jail for it because if LE gets involved. You might find yourself washing some guys underwear to keep him from keepin his "pimp hand strong". Player[/QUOTE]During a marriage, there is bound to be some kind of altercation. In the event of the wife calling the police (legitimately or not) is there any way to mitigate the anti-male bias in the U.S., eg they always make the man go to a hotel regardless of evidence (this also is looked upon by the court as "abandoning the home)? For instance, is there a way to get a lawyer on hand to come down? I don't think lawyers are on call like doctors. Is there any way to get some legal protection at the house before the cops get there? I hear that cops are less fascist if a lawyer is present?

I have extensive experience with Japanese women, both in and outside of Japan. This group of women has many subsets (though this is counter intuitive when one takes into account the mono-lithic cultural norms). There are traditional women that haven't changed in decades. These women don't speak much English and are hard to find for foreigners. They are also a little stunted.

There are educated, traditional women. These are the best. They have a good job and drive and follow the responsibilities Japanese society is still very successful in holding women to. Then there are the women that reject Japanese society and don't fit in. These are the women who have traveled the most and speak English, hence the main cohort Western men meet. These women are bad news and will take full advantage of the USA system.

This is why I have to respectfully disagree. Any human being is going to take advantage of what they can, as life for working folk is hard. You see this in Japan with expats-they live a fast-paced, sexual lifestyle. Often times they don't appreciate it and instead become jaded and give the evil eye to other foreigners.

Saying that, I do agree with you in that some people are just more prone to bad behavior. Right now, I'm in contact with a 30s Japanese woman who is divorcing her American husband, while blue balling another American guy to get free rent. Any of these points would be extremely inappropriate in Japan, and not just from parents, but coworkers and maybe friends. They would either shun her or put pressure on her to reform. I've seen this from working in a Japanese high school.

On the other hand, I've dated Japanese women of the same demographic in the USA that are kind and giving, like back in Japan, even if I can identify personality traits that make them outliers. I've noticed older women are less likely to change. So yes, one's individuality does influence the degree that a foreign women will assimilate, but our environment also influences us. Most American guys have no idea of foreign culture and are not in the position to remotely discern the quality of a foreign woman; I sure couldn't when I first went to Japan. Even after explaining the norms Japanese women have to my rust belt brother, he still doesn't believe me. It's beyond the imagination of the average USA male.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Your mostly correct, it is a self created issue.

I find more issues when you [I]look inside the numbers[/I].

The describes a Philippine Women who got a ticket out of object poverty (I would say this is correct because as others have correctly stated on here, foreigners are generally rejected by middle/upper class Flips), was provided with an education and now works 50-60 hours a week in the US health care system.

Several things, if she has 50K in gambling debt, is she paying for it, or is he paying for it? I think that's key. You may think her family are a bunch of moochers but many jobs in PI are not well paying why not spend them money, even if its lift her family out of poverty. How many AW go off to college, get a well paying job and send money back home?. NONE!

RW I believe have been unfairly blamed for being Gold Diggers, especially those that speak English close to fluently, at least that's the perception.

I think its not quite the case, men ultimately make the decision to marry X woman, its never up to the woman really. What usually happens when women ask men to marry them? Its usually when the man has gone X amount of time without coming close to that question. Many men aren't upfront with their desires. If you have no intention of getting married, you shouldn't never leave any opening.

If I came home with a see Class Benz and she complained, its going back!

These guys picked the wrong women clearly.

This is where we really need to focus on:

The problem isn't marriage itself its WHO you marry

The problem isn't dating/courting women, its WHO you choose to date

So while I love to highlight the zaniness of typical AW/WW behavior, it is not lost on me when people like to use certain examples to backup their claim they want to blame our culture for indoctrinating foreign women with AW ideology, when I say its failure to pick up those clues that lead these men down the road of failure, in other words women that agree with AW ideology.

I know more foreign women that think AW are nuts and wouldn't mimic their behavior. This is hearsay of course, proof is in action.

I think the first problem is the tendency of males to believe they are playing Capt Save A Hoe especially to non-US citizens. You aren't saving these women, you are extending them an opportunity, treat it as such.

Don't you think these women KNOW how the game is played, even in other countries? Unless you are the first Western man in her village/town/city to take her away and marry her, which is HIGHLY unlikely.

Women talk, when they spend hours and hours on the phone back to their home country what the hell do you think they are talking about, especially if they are speaking their native language? They are expressly talking about how life is here in America and if anybody else is interested in such, you need to do a, be and c. Remember especially with Eastern European women; American women especially married one spend too much time dressed down, hair up in rollers and wearing sweat pants everywhere. They believe AM are desperate for good looking, skinny, cultured, attractive Woman.

They would be correct, but not only good women hear these stories, but bad women hear them. Wouldn't you think this gives the Bad Women shunned by local men for her behavior incentive to maybe try a bumbling, easily lead, desperate American male?

Some men are easy targets, aren't we fond of saying around here, there's a sucker born every minute? That sucker doesn't have to be you, let it happen to the next guy.

This has very little to do with lucky.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Helpmann]Aww dawg, be careful. That attitude is only going to lead to disappointment. Yes, you can't turn a ho into a housewife, but believe me, they all change. Yes, the hoes will be done with you in less than three years, but even the good ones will start to turn bad after 10 years if you can't keep the biatch in line. Unfortunately, the use of the "pimp hand" is hard to get away with in the United States.

Men in Africa, Asia, and South America (AAS) have a lot more leeway when it comes to keeping biatches in line. In Iran husbands can launch a charge of adultery against their wife (with no evidence) and have them stoned! In India, thousands of wives die each year due to "dowry deaths" resulting in only a handful of convictions! Don't tell me that ain't some serious "pimp hand."

Shit, 95% of Chinese children up for adoption are females!!! Women on these continents know that they're 2nd class citizens and the local men are keeping them in-line. Nevertheless, once these ladies set foot in the USA, the game changes

What can I say? Don't hate the player, hate the game. If you want an obedient loving wife, don't play that game in the United States.

-Helpmann :cool:[/QUOTE]

That's the key -

Keeping your woman in-line and being with a woman that's willing too be kept in line is ideal.

Impossible? Unlikely? - Maybe

I refuse to believe that only Asian Women and Latinas are only cut out for these type of relationships because the Caucasian and African-American women have been so tainted by Western Culture and Modern Feminism.

As I have been maintaining the whole time, some women reject this completely, after all its not because 50% of marriages fail and the other 50% is going to fail within the next 10-20 years, that is highly unlikely.

I'm just saying by increasing the size of my potential pool of women, my chances of making an error decrease. Especially if I don't allow sex to muck up the works, which often causes errors in judgement.

The negative stereotype is that women from struggling countries (countries with tiny middle classes) are more prone to be Gold Diggers. I think some men want to believe that all women are bad unless proven otherwise and that's a safe position to take especially if you have no intention of getting married and having children.

But I think you have to understand that Western Media is more prone to report negative outcomes than positive ones. Positive outcomes tend to be treated as special or out of the ordinary.

Its hard to do any kind of study on the subject of Western Men marrying Foreign Women because the Federal Government keeps limited information and nobody has invested a large amount of money to court couples for their opinion.

I agree that women around the world are largely the same, they have the same desires as most women have when it comes to relationships. The subtle differences is where they are from if your using the United States/Canada/UK as reference point, since we share a common culture.

Taking them away from where the balance of power is shifted from men to the center of the debate does not guarantee they'll align themselves with "Ankles" and build up the same sense of entitlement.

This is no different than buying a product in the marketplace.

Some people intentionally get a six pack from the top of the stack or behind other stacks or even from the backroom. Others don't care and take whatever is in front of them, who's more intelligent here?

I'm going back to the Midwest to visit an ailing aunt next weekend. Meanwhile, some nearby nearly married Vietnamese broad I banged last summer is telling me to spend the first night with her. And her friend.

Her friend is a married broad, too, but also has a husband who doesn't get into sex.

The woman I already screwed tells me that to get into her friend's pants, I should pitch up the drink tab and dress like I have money. She's already told this broad I have money; I mean, I do OK, but I'm not rich by any means.

She just wants to see me screw her friend.

"You need to enjoy life. Try new hamburger."

To me, using the appearance of wealth to snag pussy isn't much different than the Showcase Showdown feature of "The Price is Right."

"And all this could be yours, if you let me tap that pussy!"

[QUOTE=Vaquero]I'm going back to the Midwest to visit an ailing aunt next weekend. Meanwhile, some nearby nearly married Vietnamese broad I banged last summer is telling me to spend the first night with her. And her friend.

Her friend is a married broad, too, but also has a husband who doesn't get into sex.

The woman I already screwed tells me that to get into her friend's pants, I should pitch up the drink tab and dress like I have money. She's already told this broad I have money; I mean, I do OK, but I'm not rich by any means.

She just wants to see me screw her friend.

"You need to enjoy life. Try new hamburger."

To me, using the appearance of wealth to snag pussy isn't much different than the Showcase Showdown feature of "The Price is Right."

"And all this could be yours, if you let me tap that pussy!"[/QUOTE]
I too like it when a female-friend gives you her friend to f*ck, and you f*ck both of them side-by-side.

If you pay the lawyer enough he will be on call.
Just have an agreement that if you wake him up you're going to pay him $185 or what ever his hourly rate is for each hour or fraction of that he is helping you.
Prepay for one such call a month, whether you use it or not.
He should be happy to do it. If not, there is probably some junior partner at the firm who will do it.
I guess you could call the cops before your wife does, have them come out to remove HER.
Then it is just going to be he said she said.
I think cops are more first come first serve than always chosing the woman's side.

[QUOTE=Barronz8006]During a marriage, there is bound to be some kind of altercation. In the event of the wife calling the police (legitimately or not) is there any way to mitigate the anti-male bias in the U.S., eg they always make the man go to a hotel regardless of evidence (this also is looked upon by the court as "abandoning the home)? For instance, is there a way to get a lawyer on hand to come down? I don't think lawyers are on call like doctors. Is there any way to get some legal protection at the house before the cops get there? I hear that cops are less fascist if a lawyer is present?[/QUOTE]

I don't know if it is that easy. For instance, most cops say they have to take someone away in these situations, and its usually the man, even if the guy calls. I've also heard from cops, that often its whoever is easier to get out of the house, eg who's near the door. Ergo, never meet the cops at the door. Have the wife open it, or invite the guy in.

If the man owns the house (in his name) does this supercede the common law aspect of co-ownership when it comes to cops asking one to leave?

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]If you pay the lawyer enough he will be on call.

Just have an agreement that if you wake him up you're going to pay him $185 or what ever his hourly rate is for each hour or fraction of that he is helping you.
Prepay for one such call a month, whether you use it or not.

He should be happy to do it. If not, there is probably some junior partner at the firm who will do it.

I guess you could call the cops before your wife does, have them come out to remove HER.

Then it is just going to be he said she said.

I think cops are more first come first serve than always chosing the woman's side.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Barronz8006]I don't know if it is that easy. For instance, most cops say they have to take someone away in these situations, and its usually the man, even if the guy calls. I've also heard from cops, that often its whoever is easier to get out of the house, eg who's near the door. Ergo, never meet the cops at the door. Have the wife open it, or invite the guy in.

If the man owns the house (in his name) does this supercede the common law aspect of co-ownership when it comes to cops asking one to leave?[/QUOTE]

Generally LE are going to make the man leave the home, at least in the USA, it has become SOP amongst many police forces around the country. Especially if children are in the home. There would have to be extenuating circumstances such as the woman is drunk or she is the violent on and again children are in the home.

Regarding having the house in your name only, e. G. You bought the home before marriage, here is a piece of information some might find interesting. In the event of a divorce if the wife can prove that the husband used any of her funds to pay the mortgage then she could be entitled to part of the equity of the home. For example, the mortgage was paid from a joint bank account. An appraiser friend told me the following story. A guy had bought a house about 6 months previous to marriage. Once married, he paid the mortgage with the joint bank account, though the money in there was mostly earned by him, I believe the wife worked part time. The couple ended up divorcing after one year and the divorce court ruled that she was entitled to nearly half the equity on the house as the guy had only been in it 6 months before the marriage. The guy either had to pay her half the appraised equity of the home or sell the house and split the proceeds. This was when the market was booming in AZ and the guy didn't have the cash and had to sell the home. Now, this could work in favor of the man as well, but be careful out there. This happened in Arizona, so laws could be different state to state but it is food for thought.

[QUOTE=Barronz8006]During a marriage, there is bound to be some kind of altercation. In the event of the wife calling the police (legitimately or not) is there any way to mitigate the anti-male bias in the USA, eg they always make the man go to a hotel regardless of evidence (this also is looked upon by the court as "abandoning the home)? For instance, is there a way to get a lawyer on hand to come down? I don't think lawyers are on call like doctors. Is there any way to get some legal protection at the house before the cops get there? I hear that cops are less fascist if a lawyer is present?[/QUOTE]There is no easy answer to this, because if you have an altercation which means someone has struck the other. In some states the one who can prove they were struck will stay and the other is taken to JAIL to spend the night. No lawyer can prevent this. It is the law, mandatory.

I. E. Your wife slaps you and tries to slap you again, and you catch her by the arm to prevent her from slapping you again. If the cops come and you have no bruises to show because she was not strong enough to draw blood. But because you have a strong grip and left marks where you grabbed her to prevent her from slapping you. You will go to jail. Period. Wrong as it may be, she will have proof of your assault, but you don't have any proof of hers.

So be very careful even if you call the police and she can prove you violated her. The police will take you and not her to jail.

[QUOTE=Barronz8006]

If the man owns the house (in his name) does this supercede the common law aspect of co-ownership when it comes to cops asking one to leave?[/QUOTE]

The police are not there to act as lawyer. The police are there to arrest for court fees.

If the female has 0% mail, she is a visitor.

If the female has limited clothing, and is not on the lease or has any bill in her name, or does not have any mail with that address on it, she is a visitor.

If the female has any documentation with her name and that address on it, she lives there and you, the male, will get gender-biased out of the home.

Best solution: Keep your human existence / adult personal respsonsibility (ie. housing, employment, food, clothing) personal and not a community activity. If you take care of yourself (ie. food, clothing, shelter, employment, transportation), you will never be in the position of displaced housing.

[QUOTE=Barronz8006]I don't know if it is that easy. For instance, most cops say they have to take someone away in these situations, and its usually the man, even if the guy calls. I've also heard from cops, that often its whoever is easier to get out of the house, eg who's near the door. Ergo, never meet the cops at the door. Have the wife open it, or invite the guy in.

If the man owns the house (in his name) does this supercede the common law aspect of co-ownership when it comes to cops asking one to leave?[/QUOTE]
Barronz:

If the police are called to the house they will take into consideration the person who made the call and any evidence of domestic violence found at the scene. If no evidence of violence is found they will not make an arrest however they will warn the person being complained against that remaining in the house leave the possibility of further allegations being made against them. In other words if the police get called back to the residence that same day or night someone is going to have to leave or go to jail. When it comes to determining who is telling the truth or not the police would rather let a magistrate figure that out instead of leaving the two parties in the house and then later having to deal with an assault or murder. Even if you call a lawyer I doubt you will be able to evict the domestic partner on the spot unless you bear some evidence of injury and there is damaged property in the house. If the person is making the accusation against you they can claim you hit them or threatened their life the minute after the police left the scene. So sharing a residence after any dispute is unwise. The person who must leave has little to do with ownership. The first person to file and obtain a protective order will be the one to remain in the residence. This is why you should never ask for a divorce or get into verbal disputes with a spouse when you have decided the relationship is unsalvageable. Simply have your lawyer file the paperwork and have your spouse served while they are away from the residence. If they are required to leave the residence have your lawyer or the police present when they arrive to remove their belongings. If you are leaving, then be gone before they return with everything that belongs to you.

Anyway, it is best to not find one’s self in such a situation in the first place. That means avoiding marriage and cohabitation. With donor eggs and surrogate mothers fatherhood is now possible without a woman attached in the bargain.

Whatever you do, don't let them know where you live. Period. They want to hang out and have a good time, take them out. There is no telling who or what type of person you are going out with nowadays.
Since the system dictates in nearly 100% of the cases that the male will be at fault, even if the beautch is lying through her teeth, my rule is simple: If you want to play, let's play outside. There is just way too much to lose. If you value your possesions and your lifestyle, why take that chance? In my opinion, it is just not worth the risk. Family and relatives are always welcomed in my home. Girfriends, hell no. If she doesn't like it, I just get another one :D
[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Barronz:

Anyway, it is best to not find one’s self in such a situation in the first place. That means avoiding marriage and cohabitation. With donor eggs and surrogate mothers fatherhood is now possible without a woman attached in the bargain.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]

Anyway, it is best to not find one’s self in such a situation in the first place. That means avoiding marriage and cohabitation. With donor eggs and surrogate mothers fatherhood is now possible without a woman attached in the bargain.[/QUOTE]
Despite his obvious mental issues, Michael Jackson, had the right idea. Pay a b*tch to produce his offspring and he will be 100% custodial parent. He can never be subjugated to the roles of "fatherhood" from afar or playing "weekend daddy." He's in control. The b*tch is irrelevant.

For any male that truly values his input, un-interfered, into the development of his offspring / jizz, then they / we should consider surrogate mothers.

If not, you will be the only person with all of the risk and 0% voice. Everyone else has a voice in the child's rearing (ie. mother, judge, mother's family, Attorney General, Welfare Services, daycare center, educational system, etcetera.) For the father to have a voice, he must hire an attorney and take the default custodial parent, mother, to court for custody. Otherwise, the father has 0% voice and 100% liability with limited access to the offspring.

Good Insight Chocha Monger.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]Whatever you do, don't let them know where you live. Period. They want to hang out and have a good time, take them out. There is no telling who or what type of person you are going out with nowadays.
Since the system dictates in nearly 100% of the cases that the male will be at fault, even if the beautch is lying through her teeth, my rule is simple: If you want to play, let's play outside. There is just way too much to lose. If you value your possesions and your lifestyle, why take that chance? In my opinion, it is just not worth the risk. Family and relatives are always welcomed in my home. Girfriends, hell no. If she doesn't like it, I just get another one :D[/QUOTE]
Hire a security guard. They can only enter the premises with permission as given by the security guard.

I aint gonna' spend a lot of money wining-and-dining that b*tch. She better cook in the kitchen and serve me. Then spread those legs and catch a nutt.

It's true that USA-females have guys running scared. They got guys doing the cooking and cleaning 'cause they're scared of her police phone call.

[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]Hire a security guard. They can only enter the premises with permission as given by the security guard.

I aint gonna' spend a lot of money wining-and-dining that b*tch. She better cook in the kitchen and serve me. Then spread those legs and catch a nutt.

It's true that USA-females have guys running scared. They got guys doing the cooking and cleaning 'cause they're scared of her police phone call.[/QUOTE]

I can't believe some of the rhetoric coming from manginas, I was listening to Micheal Pollen talk about the American Food System which I generally agree with. However he said something that made my jaw drop. He mentioned how he popular on the college speaking tour supporting his books.

He said -

"Cooking is one way to get more involved in what your eating and that one of the main drivers of the Feminist movement in the late 60's/70's was the fact most women loathed being the only one cooking." It was fine until he said " most Modern Women won't tolerate being the only one cooking in the household" - WTF?

Now he's married, clearly for awhile. I'm sure he doesn't remember what it like in the late 20th/21st Century when its perfectly NORMAL for most AW not only not wanting to cook, but even if they could they wouldn't!

The shorter list would be what DO AW do for their man/husband, the list has gotten mighty short over the years.

I agree with some of what's being presented in the thread lately but I still come back to the point that many of you like looking at all the negatives almost forgetting that not every woman is corrupted by Western Culture.

You just have to be more careful with your selection. Some men should be banned from picking the women they pick just like some women should be banned. Some people meet the clinical definition of insanity, since they keep picking the same type of people expecting a different outcome.

The trick is to avoid these Gold-Diggin Ankles, not complain about their existence. Just like you would automatically write off those that avoid emotional contact, this is basically no different, if they ask how much money you make, run for the hills....

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I can't believe some of the rhetoric coming from manginas, I was listening to Micheal Pollen talk about the American Food System which I generally agree with. However he said something that made my jaw drop. He mentioned how he popular on the college speaking tour supporting his books.

He said -

"Cooking is one way to get more involved in what your eating and that one of the main drivers of the Feminist movement in the late 60's/70's was the fact most women loathed being the only one cooking." It was fine until he said " most Modern Women won't tolerate being the only one cooking in the household" - WTF?

Now he's married, clearly for awhile. I'm sure he doesn't remember what it like in the late 20th/21st Century when its perfectly NORMAL for most AW not only not wanting to cook, but even if they could they wouldn't!

The shorter list would be what DO AW do for their man/husband, the list has gotten mighty short over the years.

I agree with some of what's being presented in the thread lately but I still come back to the point that many of you like looking at all the negatives almost forgetting that not every woman is corrupted by Western Culture.

You just have to be more careful with your selection. Some men should be banned from picking the women they pick just like some women should be banned. Some people meet the clinical definition of insanity, since they keep picking the same type of people expecting a different outcome.

The trick is to avoid these Gold-Diggin Ankles, not complain about their existence. Just like you would automatically write off those that avoid emotional contact, this is basically no different, if they ask how much money you make, run for the hills....[/QUOTE]
While all women may not be corrupted by Western culture, the number of them who are corrupted is significant enough to warrant extreme caution. All men walking the streets at midnight with guns are not out to rob or kill you but are you willing to still around long enough find out their true intentions given an option? In fact, the individual negative qualities of a woman are not so important. A woman can be a greedy lying gold digger but without the support of the legal system which allows her to strip her husband of his possessions and relationship with his children those personality traits are little more than a minor nuisance. Ignoring the legal system that enables women to use marriage as a license to steal is like leaving the doors and windows to your house open and trying to prevent theft by choosing your neighbors more carefully.

Hiring managers at corporations will tell you that people lie and put on the best appearance when they are trying to get in the door. Some of them interview well and pass all the background checks. However, they may show their true colors during the probationary period when you can get rid of them easily. Others are good enough to keep their bad habits in check until their probationary period is over. Women are the same way when they go hunting for a husband. If they get past a man’s screening mechanisms they are not so easily gotten rid of after marriage and children. How far are you willing to go to find out about a potential wife? Are you going to trust her and take her word that she is somehow different from other women? Many of the women who criticize other women for ruining their husbands in divorce court turn around and do the same thing when the opportunity arises. Will you get a credit report on her, a thorough background check including interviews of past partners and medical history? This should be the minimum required of anyone you’re going to be giving access to your privacy, finances and the raising of your children.

Business and emotions are not a good mix. Marriage is a business contract often entered into based on emotions. Therefore it is not surprising that most marriages turn out to be terrible decisions made by men who do quite well in other matters of life.

A security guard is kind of extreme; however, given the circumstances with these skanks it is an excellent alternative.
I don't or wouldn't wine and dine any AW unless sex is GUARANTEED on the agenda. As I am an older type fellow, my time is too valuable; so I don't waste it in frivolous pursuits. It annoys me to no end if there is nothing for me on the table, I’d rather stay home and read a book or something. So I sort through the BS with the 2 questions I asks all the time:
1. Are we splitting the bill?
2. Are we screwing tonight?
Yes, it is a recipe for lots of turn downs, but, it saves me a lot of time and aggravation from disappointment, uncertainty, and I know what I’m getting. Plain and simple, I want some! If things work out, find the nearest hotel, after the deed is done and satisfied, only then I’ll spring for room service. Yes, it is expensive, but much cheaper in the long run if you know what I mean :D

[QUOTE=Meat Loaf]Hire a security guard. They can only enter the premises with permission as given by the security guard.

I aint gonna' spend a lot of money wining-and-dining that b*tch. She better cook in the kitchen and serve me. Then spread those legs and catch a nutt.

It's true that USA-females have guys running scared. They got guys doing the cooking and cleaning 'cause they're scared of her police phone call.[/QUOTE]

Folks, we can ***** all day about the attitudes of AW, it won't change a damn thing, not until we change the mindset/attitudes of approx 70-80% of the American male population.

Here are some quotes from a typical AM who feels that showering obscene amounts of money on an AW is the best way to win her heart....complete BS IMHO. It's American attitudes like this that have fucked up mongering destinations all around the globe.

[QUOTE=American Male]Agreed. There are people on here like that too. I paid $250 at the Aromatherapy place last week (which reminds me I still have to write a report), and really don't give a fuck what somebody on here thinks I should be doing in the way of keeping prices down. And I plan on spending $250+ again this weekend. Even economically speaking, there isn't a compelling case being made here for price control. Take Nite, for example. I think he racks up some of the most worthless, shitiest AMP experiences of anyone here; and I'm glad he reports them to us...But while he's not spending $300 at one establishment, he certainly is spreading $300 around in a pretty short period of time without any pleasurable benefit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=American Male]I know a good indy girl that charges $500 an hour. She's been one of my fav UTRs but she's about to go public. Slender Asian-ish chick, BBBJ+Swallow, Enthuastic, seems to really enjoy it. Don't know if you're strictly looking for agencies or not.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=American Male]The more you pay, the less likely you are to experience any of the above. I like the cheap bytches too, don't get me wrong. Because it's nice to go out there and experience to more sordid side of what we do. But my $2600 date at the W hotel with my favorite girl always reminds me of how nice it is to have some luxury pussy. Check that - a luxury EXPERIENCE.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]"Cooking is one way to get more involved in what your eating and that one of the main drivers of the Feminist movement in the late 60's/70's was the fact most women loathed being the only one cooking." It was fine until he said " most Modern Women won't tolerate being the only one cooking in the household" - WTF?

Now he's married, clearly for awhile. I'm sure he doesn't remember what it like in the late 20th/21st Century when its perfectly NORMAL for most AW not only not wanting to cook, but even if they could they wouldn't![/QUOTE]
As I've said loads of times on this thread, I LOVE being a housewife for my man. *IF* he is the sole breadwinner and he's financially supporting me, I see it as MY JOB to care for him and keep his home, in return.

HOWEVER...that all changes [b]if I'm working fulltime as well[/b]. If I'm working the same hours as my husband and bringing in the same amount of household income (or, God forbid, MORE), why should I be doing more work around the house than he is? While I firmly believe that financially-dependent women should pull their weight around the house, I also firmly believe that if the financial responsibilities are equally distributed, the domestic chores should also be shared equally. Surely that's only fair?

[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]If I'm working the same hours as my husband and bringing in the same amount of household income (or, God forbid, MORE), why should I be doing more work around the house than he is? While I firmly believe that financially-dependent women should pull their weight around the house, I also firmly believe that if the financial responsibilities are equally distributed, the domestic chores should also be shared equally. Surely that's only fair?[/QUOTE]I, for one, can't refute your logic. But in my neighborhood, the outcome of this logic leaves me at a decided disadvantage in the "game between the sexes".

I'm a "typical bachelor, " which means I'm lazy about cooking and I don't keep house worth a damn. My income, though comfortable for my tastes and expectations, is about half the household average for the locality where I live (Montgomery County, Maryland; a suburb of Washington, DC). I'm in my fifties, bald on top, and though I'm not "paunchy" I'm certainly not "studly" either. And I'm a "typical man" who wants someone younger and attractive to snuggle up with me.

The local women who meet my criteria take one look at me and say "I can do WAY better than this old slug! " They don't even hang around to find out if I have any redeeming features. And, since I've lived my whole life in the Washington, DC area, I don't expect anything else from American women.

So I'm preparing to move out of the USA, to someplace where I'll be able to trade my modest (and paid-off) townhouse for a beachfront condo beside the marina where I'll keep my yacht. The local ladies in THAT area might see more "value" in me than the women of Washington do now, eh?

Interesting RN, are you married or single right now?

[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]As I've said loads of times on this thread, I LOVE being a housewife for my man. *IF* he is the sole breadwinner and he's financially supporting me, I see it as MY JOB to care for him and keep his home, in return.

HOWEVER...that all changes [b]if I'm working fulltime as well[/b]. If I'm working the same hours as my husband and bringing in the same amount of household income (or, God forbid, MORE), why should I be doing more work around the house than he is? While I firmly believe that financially-dependent women should pull their weight around the house, I also firmly believe that if the financial responsibilities are equally distributed, the domestic chores should also be shared equally. Surely that's only fair?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]As I've said loads of times on this thread, I LOVE being a housewife for my man. *IF* he is the sole breadwinner and he's financially supporting me, I see it as MY JOB to care for him and keep his home, in return.

HOWEVER...that all changes [b]if I'm working fulltime as well[/b]. If I'm working the same hours as my husband and bringing in the same amount of household income (or, God forbid, MORE), why should I be doing more work around the house than he is? While I firmly believe that financially-dependent women should pull their weight around the house, I also firmly believe that if the financial responsibilities are equally distributed, the domestic chores should also be shared equally. Surely that's only fair?[/QUOTE]

Well as they like to say with football players or baseball players, your a sort of "Throw Back" RN, you play your role in the traditional sense. Your first priority is your husband (not that you would consider yourself secondary). When you have children, they share the same place on the priority scale.

If your working, that's an additional demand. Your working for the common good of the household, which you run like a business (hence the business contract that CM refers too) which means you delegate responsibilities to other members of your household.

Of course this is how its suppose to work, but from what I have seen...

That's not quite the case and as I said the era of women being "complete" are gone. They are quickly scooped up by smart men or they have other problems that either you'll have to accept or help them overcome.

As CM said some personality traits are minor annoyances when dating but get magnified during a marriage and explode during the divorce proceedings.

I don't know if background checks are necessary for any women other than AW actually.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Well as they like to say with football players or baseball players, your a sort of "Throw Back" RN, you play your role in the traditional sense. Your first priority is your husband (not that you would consider yourself secondary). When you have children, they share the same place on the priority scale.

If your working, that's an additional demand. Your working for the common good of the household, which you run like a business (hence the business contract that CM refers too) which means you delegate responsibilities to other members of your household.

Of course this is how its suppose to work, but from what I have seen.

That's not quite the case and as I said the era of women being "complete" are gone. They are quickly scooped up by smart men or they have other problems that either you'll have to accept or help them overcome.

As CM said some personality traits are minor annoyances when dating but get magnified during a marriage and explode during the divorce proceedings.

I don't know if background checks are necessary for any women other than AW actually.[/QUOTE]This is just nonsense. RN's views are just about the views of most women. In todays times most relationships both are working to make ends meet. So there should be some expectation that both would pitch in at home also. Most guys who cry on this site want a relationship that is strictly "MY Way". And if I leave. I want everything. Well you missed the caveman era. So guys you are shit out of luck. Oh and for your editfication. The only reason divorce is so high in the USA is its one of the easiest countries to obtain a divorce. A lot of countries have mandatory counseling and long wait periods. If not for that the other countries would be just as high as in the USA Foreign women are no better and no different than AW. Its only your perception because when you go to a poor country. You attract more like a known millionare would in the USA Ask Donald trump if woman treat him bad or Hugh Heffner. Well thats what you are in a foreign country. A walkin wallet. So hell yeah. They are going to treat you good. If might stroke your ego. But they are just feeding off you. Like a maggot.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]This is just nonsense. RN's views are just about the views of most women. In todays times most relationships both are working to make ends meet. So there should be some expectation that both would pitch in at home also. Most guys who cry on this site want a relationship that is strictly "MY Way". And if I leave. I want everything. Well you missed the caveman era. So guys you are shit out of luck. Oh and for your editfication. The only reason divorce is so high in the USA is its one of the easiest countries to obtain a divorce. A lot of countries have mandatory counseling and long wait periods. If not for that the other countries would be just as high as in the USA Foreign women are no better and no different than AW. Its only your perception because when you go to a poor country. You attract more like a known millionare would in the USA Ask Donald trump if woman treat him bad or Hugh Heffner. Well thats what you are in a foreign country. A walkin wallet. So hell yeah. They are going to treat you good. If might stroke your ego. But they are just feeding off you. Like a maggot.[/QUOTE]

Its not nonsense and who's talking about poor countries?

How come AW always assume we're talking about poor countries? Not saying your a woman, but maybe a mangina? You're always defending AW problematic requirements.

I expect 50/50 relationship and I'm thoroughly modern but not in touch with my feminine side or metrosexual!

I run shit, its got nothing to do with rules, but a foundation is laid and I'm crystal clear with my desires, women know where I stand and they can either deal with it or leave, most of them STAY ;)

AW in a ideological sense are almost no better than Neo-Cons. If they don't get their way they spread propaganda in the media and try to destroy opponents.

I don't think anybody here is demanding a return to Geico's Caveman days, they just want a reliable relationship where the woman isn't going to try to fuck him over, use his children as pawn in a game of LIFE (Parker Bros.) or use sex as a tool to get some material items or favors.

Some Western Women complain their no good men left, when they overlook men they deem worthless because they aren't pretty, aren't rich or special, there just "guys".

When women are writing books telling American Women to stop paying attention to the things that don't matter, you know there's a problem. For Black Women 42% under 40 have never been married, the way the media portrays it, you would almost believe its Black Men fault. Blaming education, incarceration or bi/gay tendencies as the reasons why.

How about a majority of them have bad attitudes!

I would say that is the same problem with both Latinas (32%) and White Women (23%), their attitudes SUCK...

We also shouldn't have to repeat ourselves; cultural dynamics do change a woman's behavior even if their desires remain universal across the board, which I do agree with.

I think the maggot felt insulted when it was compared to a woman. After all maggots only eat dead flesh and leave healthy tissue alone. Maggot therapy is used in medicine to save lives. So if a maggot feeds off a guy he will actually be in better shape after the experience. The same can’t be said after a woman feeds on a man.

Both Donald Trump and Hugh Hefner had divorces and parasitic ex-wives. According to Bitten & Bound, “Last month Playboy founder Hugh Hefner openly told the media that his “wife” Kimberley Conrad had filed a 5 million lawsuit against him for breach of their pre-nup, which Hef claimed was totally bogus. Now he says she cheated.”

If Trump and Hefner were not treated “bad” by women I’d hate to see what is considered to be bad. Talking about crying and wanting everything, American women are usually the ones wanting the house, car, dogs, children, savings, alimony and child support. I don’t see men on this site crying about not getting enough alimony and child support. Yet, there are numerous sites on the internet where women hold vaginal dialogues venting about not getting “everything” they felt they were entitled to.

Now the real reason why divorce is so high in America is because it’s the easiest way for women to make money. The fact that more than 70 percent of all divorces in the US are initiated by women is proof of this. Women push, beg, and bully for marriage and “commitment” but they’re the first ones out the door when things don’t go their way. They also want to punish the man when they leave by taking everything.

Marriage is actually the caveman concept. Most guys on this site are not looking for marriage because they have figured out that it has nothing to offer them. They are on here to find out how to fuck women cheaply [B]without[/B] a contract. What I find amusing though are guys who defend American women and marriage but are self professed sex tourists and members of a site that promotes behavior incompatible with the marital concepts of “forsaking all others” and “sexual faithfulness.”

[url]http://www.edmecka.com/blogs/dont-marry-essay---why-marriage-has-become-a-raw-deal-for-men.html[/url]

But they are just feeding off you. Like a maggot.[/QUOTE]

What do I care if they feed off my $20 ? I can give half to them (get my dick wet) then eat dinner with the rest.

I don't see that as being used...only "useful". In that sense women can mooch off me all they want.

You can't do that in america because the price tag is too high. It is a good opportunity to feel what it would be like if I had money here in the US. What did I learn ? If I had more money and was willing to blow it I *might be able to get a piece of "something" here. However I won't because I don't have the money. You go where YOU and YOUR MONEY are appreciated.

The issue arises once you get affordable pussy. You will never go back to paying a premium for it. Is this what is upsetting to you ? ...no more $100 dates no more buying aimless amount of drinks..no more getting depressed over her mood swings thinking it's your fault......none of it. You just dig into your pocket whip out a $20 and all is good. The only thing left is a clear mind and your ability to look for someone with a good personality and a good heart....Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Folks, we can ***** all day about the attitudes of AW, it won't change a damn thing, not until we change the mindset/attitudes of approx 70-80% of the American male population.

...It's American attitudes like this that have fucked up mongering destinations all around the globe.[/QUOTE]You're preaching to the choir. American Men have fucked up San Jose, Sosua, Rio, and will probably fuck-up Bangkok if the biatch slappin' Japanese men leave.

-Helpmann :)

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]I think the maggot felt insulted when it was compared to a woman. After all maggots only eat dead flesh and leave healthy tissue alone. Maggot therapy is used in medicine to save lives. So if a maggot feeds off a guy he will actually be in better shape after the experience. The same can't be said after a woman feeds on a man.

Both Donald Trump and Hugh Hefner had divorces and parasitic ex-wives. According to Bitten & Bound, "Last month Playboy founder Hugh Hefner openly told the media that his "wife" Kimberley Conrad had filed a 5 million lawsuit against him for breach of their pre-nup, which Hef claimed was totally bogus. Now he says she cheated. "

If Trump and Hefner were not treated "bad" by women I'd hate to see what is considered to be bad. Talking about crying and wanting everything, American women are usually the ones wanting the house, car, dogs, children, savings, alimony and child support. I don't see men on this site crying about not getting enough alimony and child support. Yet, there are numerous sites on the internet where women hold vaginal dialogues venting about not getting "everything" they felt they were entitled to.

Now the real reason why divorce is so high in America is because it's the easiest way for women to make money. The fact that more than 70 percent of all divorces in the US are initiated by women is proof of this. Women push, beg, and bully for marriage and "commitment" but they're the first ones out the door when things don't go their way. They also want to punish the man when they leave by taking everything.

Marriage is actually the caveman concept. Most guys on this site are not looking for marriage because they have figured out that it has nothing to offer them. They are on here to find out how to fuck women cheaply [b]without[/b] a contract. What I find amusing though are guys who defend American women and marriage but are self professed sex tourists and members of a site that promotes behavior incompatible with the marital concepts of "forsaking all others" and "sexual faithfulness. "

[url]http://www.Edmecka.com/blogs/don't-marry-essay-why-marriage-has-become-a-raw-deal-for-men.html[/url][/QUOTE]Damn CM you need to run for president!

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Interesting RN, are you married or single right now?[/QUOTE]
Right now, I'm in a long-term relationship...but we don't live together (both of us have been burned in the past!) I used to be married, many moons ago.

Why is it guys that even in the most primitive of societies. Deep in the amazon. In tribes which have only been discoverd. Even in those tribes where they haven't been influence my TV, media or the likes. They still have monogamous societal tendencies. Some have formal rituals, some not. But one thing they all have is where the man takes a woman and she is not shared with any others. They are mates. It mongering was truely the way man was suppose to B. Why are there so many men, even those who divorce. Go back to monogamous relationships. Domald trump has. No matter how much money his wife took from him. Look at most famous millionare men. Who can have flocks of women. Constantly. Most get married.

Men who think of mongering as a way of life probably make up less than 2 or 3 % of men. Sure guys monger. But how many think that is the way they want to spend their entire life. A small percentage of those who even monger. Most do it for a period of time. Find a good woman. Then get out of the game. Its just natural. Thats all I'm saying.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865] Look at most famous millionare men. Who can have flocks of women. Constantly. Most get married.[/QUOTE]

most men, rich or otherwise are total fools when it comes to this

name ONE advantage marriage gives a man

If one considers for example the IQ quotient of people, the higher the intelligence score, the LOWER the percentile or individuals who are that smart. Through this forum, we figured out and decoded the system. It is NOT favorable to men. Period. If everyone was as enlightened as the few of US who get it, that AW’s are a complete waste of time, then we would be subjected to the same ridiculously, one sided blueprint of one sided decisions by the Sex Prison system of jurisprudence when it comes to settling even the most amicable of disputes between the sexes.
I can tell you from experience, that even if a person did not engage in dirt (The male), and the female did, the male is still likely to be sodomized by this so called system of justice of ours. It is a life lesson many of us have survived and have re-awaken to find the pure joy of being in a system where men make the rules: Anywhere else but in Sex Prison and most developed nations.
I am gleeful when listening to AW’s labeling me and the few of us who get it with many unflattering compliments because I would not give them the time of day. I don’t care about their opinions in that matter. Really. Can you win an argument with an inanimate object? No. But I tell you what: When I travel, I know what I’m going to get from every female I meet and having relations away from the walls of Sex Prison overseas. Do you know what she is getting from me: My time, very little cash if any and a bunch of nuts. If I was to act similarly here, I would have support her for the rest of her life, give up assets, pay off HER debt, pay, pay, pay, and after paying for a lot, pay for much more. From a value standpoint, which is actually more beneficial for the AM?
I too was a damned fool once. I bought into the system, got married, and yes got beaotchslapped for my efforts by the system. But I learned from the error and I will never, ever, do that again. Promise :D

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Why is it guys that even in the most primitive of societies. Deep in the amazon. In tribes which have only been discoverd. Even in those tribes where they haven't been influence my TV, media or the likes. They still have monogamous societal tendencies. Some have formal rituals, some not. But one thing they all have is where the man takes a woman and she is not shared with any others. They are mates. It mongering was truely the way man was suppose to B. Why are there so many men, even those who divorce. Go back to monogamous relationships. Domald trump has. No matter how much money his wife took from him. Look at most famous millionare men. Who can have flocks of women. Constantly. Most get married.

Men who think of mongering as a way of life probably make up less than 2 or 3 % of men. Sure guys monger. But how many think that is the way they want to spend their entire life. A small percentage of those who even monger. Most do it for a period of time. Find a good woman. Then get out of the game. Its just natural. Thats all I'm saying.[/QUOTE]

That's all your saying but you're WRONG.....

Most primitive tribes are NOT monogamous... they are anything but....

Only with the dominance of that dangerous bullshit we call christianity did people start thinking in those terms... and hey, did you ever read about the Dark Ages? Thinks went BACKWARDS for like 1200 years because of that mode of thinking....

Fact is, people pair off and stay together for cultural and social reasons, NOT innate ones... change the culture, the behavior will revert back to its NATURAL state.... men and women looking for as much VARIETY as possible....

98% of human sperm is designed not to impregnate a female but to destroy other sperm... I think that says it all...

[QUOTE=Robert1110]most men, rich or otherwise are total fools when it comes to (marriage).

name ONE advantage marriage gives a man[/QUOTE]The kids are more likely to reach adulthood and have kids of their own if the father sticks around and provides for the kids while they're growing up. This difference is more marked at a hunter-gatherer level of society, which is how [I]Homo sapiens[/I] has spent the overwhelming majority of its time on Earth; but this advantage continues into the agricultural level, and even into the industrial and technological level of society.

A child of our species takes 12-15 years to reach sexual maturity. During that time the child needs a lot of nurturing, [I]and good food, [/I] to grow up healthy and strong. The father who sticks around and provides for his offspring is more likely to have his DNA stay and spread in the gene-pool, right? At the same time, his chances are diluted if his mate "plays around. " So faithful pair-bonding, I. E. Marriage, is important to the survival of the man's genotype. Add in the modern, agricultural and post-agricultural concepts of "property" and "inheritance, " and it becomes even more significant to have a strong pair-bond and sexual exclusivity.

And, given the importance of having a "good provider" to raise healthy children, the woman in these pre-industrial societies would have a significant stake in making sure the father supports her and their children. Anything she can do to keep the father interested in sticking around is a worthwhile investment in [I]her[/I] genetic future, too! So, in that model, the woman who "keeps her man happy" can hang on to a "good provider" to her immediate and future benefit.

From this, I believe we can impute the value of "love & marriage" to the continued survival of "our individual, genetic heritage. " Add the modern concepts of "property" "wealth" and "inheritance" [I]plus[/I] the dictates of religion, and we REALLY raise the stakes at the marriage table! Thus you get "The Donald" cleaving unto a trophy wife, or a succession of trophy wives; or, in a far-different culture, the Sultan and his harem.

Today's American culture has raised the bar so much on "successful providing" that the male has to work almost impossibly hard to "make it".

[QUOTE=Robert1110]

>>Originally Posted by ThatGuy865
>>Look at most famous millionare men. Who can have flocks of women. >>Constantly. Most get married.

most men, rich or otherwise are total fools when it comes to this

name ONE advantage marriage gives a man[/QUOTE]Yeap. One friend in eastern europe who is a millionarie, his ex wife was pretty ugly, also cheated, they got divorced after she got pregnant from another guy. She still kept a fancy apartment and a car.

Another american guy, who's also pretty rich, got married with a quite buttugly eastern european girl. He even used to travel to some "mongering" destinations for some other reason, without any clue about available girls. He did not even expect that there are other women exist or whatever.

[QUOTE=Robert1110]most men, rich or otherwise are total fools when it comes to this

name ONE advantage marriage gives a man[/QUOTE]In USA and its laws very likely it might give much trouble. But in the place where I might marry, traditionally your wife is supposed to support you in everything(and you her too of course), she can be very beautiful, family oriented, cooks well, always there for you. Also she always knows there are many other women who would be happy to be in her place, so she won't do much stupid things. I would guess that USA(and similar countires) is kinda opposite.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]That's all your saying but you're WRONG.....

Most primitive tribes are NOT monogamous... they are anything but....

Only with the dominance of that dangerous bullshit we call christianity did people start thinking in those terms... and hey, did you ever read about the Dark Ages? Thinks went BACKWARDS for like 1200 years because of that mode of thinking....

Fact is, people pair off and stay together for cultural and social reasons, NOT innate ones... change the culture, the behavior will revert back to its NATURAL state.... men and women looking for as much VARIETY as possible....

98% of human sperm is designed not to impregnate a female but to destroy other sperm... I think that says it all...[/QUOTE]From where do you get this information? What have you read (if anything at all) that demonstrates it at length? Are you saying that some sperm cells are "natural killer cells"? And the other 2% are for impregnation?

[QUOTE=Helpmann]You're preaching to the choir. American Men have fucked up San Jose, Sosua, Rio, and will probably fuck-up Bangkok if the biatch slappin' Japanese men leave.

-Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]Helpmann,

I'm not quite sure what you're implying about Japanese men but it comes across that you feel they are keeping the prices down with their "biatch slappin'". Far from it, these guys have fucked up soi 33, Thermae and the Rainbows in NEP. They are nasty little gropers and the only reason the girls tolerate it is that they can charge high prices with these guys. I will admit that some American guys are overpaying and it needs to stop, but it is not always about "I have the money", many times they are naive and overwhelmed due to lack of pussy. If they understood the deal and the prices from the outset, I think you would find that they would not overpay. So instead of bitching and moaning lets give out what we are paying for st and lt to give some guys perspective. Yes, we Americans might need some guidance at the outset, but once we are set on the right track then we can bargain with the best of them. I tend to look at the whole thing as buying a used car, or at least renting a car.

the ideal is you have one woman (yours only) and a few others on the side. so the one has your kids who inherit your junk when you pass on.
then you just sow your wild oats with the rest, if the oatlings make it great, if not, well, you have your one woman.
this rather successful guy, just by putting half his energy into the real family insures those kids carry on.
the other half he throws around as best he can.
the woman may not be happy she's only getting half, but she knows wny other successful guy would be the same, knows in the end getting half from this guy is still a good deal, and looks the other way.
a woman really doesn't benefit as much from sowing her oats. she just plows everything into the kids with the one man.
she MIGHT sow her oats if she thinks (1) the guy she has won't notice/care because he's a loser or (2) the guy she has just isn't capable of doing the job himself.
now there are some guys who have trouble supporting just one woman.
that guy focuses everything on the one.
she knows she isn't that hot either. so she focuses on him as well. this couple together can somehow manage. so they don't want to rock the boat.
marriage keeps all these women happy, since it guarantees their kids come out better than if they were by themselves.
then there are the women who become the fields for the wild oats. we all know and love them. that field is open to whoever wants to plow it.
what about the men who can't get a woman? sometimes they stray into the wild oat field that got left open for a few days. most of the time they are under a bridge.
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Why is it guys that even in the most primitive of societies. Deep in the amazon. In tribes which have only been discoverd. Even in those tribes where they haven't been influence my TV, media or the likes. They still have monogamous societal tendencies. Some have formal rituals, some not. But one thing they all have is where the man takes a woman and she is not shared with any others. They are mates. It mongering was truely the way man was suppose to B. Why are there so many men, even those who divorce. Go back to monogamous relationships. Domald trump has. No matter how much money his wife took from him. Look at most famous millionare men. Who can have flocks of women. Constantly. Most get married.

Men who think of mongering as a way of life probably make up less than 2 or 3 % of men. Sure guys monger. But how many think that is the way they want to spend their entire life. A small percentage of those who even monger. Most do it for a period of time. Find a good woman. Then get out of the game. Its just natural. Thats all I'm saying.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]That's all your saying but you're WRONG.....

Most primitive tribes are NOT monogamous... they are anything but....

Only with the dominance of that dangerous bullshit we call christianity did people start thinking in those terms... and hey, did you ever read about the Dark Ages? Thinks went BACKWARDS for like 1200 years because of that mode of thinking....

Fact is, people pair off and stay together for cultural and social reasons, NOT innate ones... change the culture, the behavior will revert back to its NATURAL state.... men and women looking for as much VARIETY as possible....

98% of human sperm is designed not to impregnate a female but to destroy other sperm... I think that says it all...[/QUOTE]You have got to be kidding. Most tribes. Read about any amazon triB. And they still ahve them where their is, and has not been any christian influence. They may be poygamous. But still that only means the man may have 2 maybe 3 wives. But he isn't sharing them with anyone. Also he is providing for them. And is committed to them. Jealousy is a innate condition in 99% of humans. The is no society known to man who society had total open non committal sex partners. Where anyone could fuck anyone and they was no commitment on anyones part.

And as far as your sperm theory. Thats just out right wrong. Your problem is probably lack of comprehension. What you are talking about is we produce a lot of sperm some of which about 1/3 are called "killer" sperm. Which yes kills sperm but not your own sperm.

If 2 men both have sex with a woman and both cum inside her. One guy's "killer" sperm would try to attack the OTHER guys sperm, to give the other sperm on his team a better chance at impregnanting the worman. They don't kill their own "brothers" or teammates. They are the team "hit squad" sort of speak. I just happen to have a doctor in the famiiy.

There's a really fascinating 3-part doco series called [i]"Dr Tatiana's Sex Advice to All Creation"[/i]. According to the website it hasn't been approved for screening in the USA, but it's been shown in Australia, UK, France, etc and it's definitely worth a look if you can get your hands on it.

The second episode talks about female promiscuity and the commonly-held belief that women are inherently compelled to seek out a 'good provider'. According to this doco, that's only HALF true. Using examples from the animal kingdom, it shows that females are looking for two very separate things when it comes to having children...a safe and secure home [b]and[/b] 'superior' male genes.

In practice, this means the female seeks out a stable and supportive provider to build her nest/home with - preferably one that isn't overly fit or attractive, so no other females will steal him away and threaten her family's security. She then goes out and screws as many young, fit, healthy, attractive men as she can, forcing their sperm to compete*, with only the strongest sperm (presumably from the healthiest male) resulting in pregnancy. Dr Tatiana's research finds that in many species, females are actually MORE promiscuous than males are.

Both sexes have an inherent urge to ensure survival of the species, but they do it in different ways. Women can only have one baby every year or so, so they're more likely to have frequent sex with one particularly desirable male, to increase the potential of 'superior' offspring (affairs). Men can father many babies simultaneously, so they're more likely to be indiscriminate in their choice of partners and just 'spread it around' to increase the overall number of offspring (variety). The doco suggests that this male tendency towards indiscriminate sex leads to various forms of [b]prostitution[/b] in the animal kingdom, with females taking advantage of the males' need for variety and using it to set herself up for her eventual role as mother and home-maker (extra food for physical health, 'currency' in the form of nest-building materials, etc).

Obviously this is just one theory from one doco, and there are many competing theories out there, but this one made a lot of sense to me when I watched it. I'd be interested to hear what you guys think?

* This idea of sperm competing might support Bango's comment about some sperm being designed solely to kill other sperm?

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]In USA and its laws very likely it might give much trouble. But in the place where I might marry, traditionally your wife is supposed to support you in everything(and you her too of course), she can be very beautiful, family oriented, cooks well, always there for you. Also she always knows there are many other women who would be happy to be in her place, so she won't do much stupid things. I would guess that USA(and similar countires) is kinda opposite.[/QUOTE]What or where is this place?

It just sounds right compared to our AW culture.

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]the ideal is you have one woman (yours only) and a few others on the side. so the one has your kids who inherit your junk when you pass on.[/QUOTE]
This is the (developed by Christianity) idea of male 'ownership' of women and children, as a way of ensuring that your wife only bears *your* children. In this day and age, where women have access to birth control and can pick and choose when they get pregnant, it is completely irrelevant.

Extra-marital sexual activity is no longer directly related to childbearing. As far as I'm concerned, if my partner believes he has the 'right' to screw around for fun or variety, then so do I. End of story.

[QUOTE=Westy]The kids are more likely to reach adulthood and have kids of their own if the father sticks around and provides for the kids while they're growing up. This difference is more marked at a hunter-gatherer level of society, which is how [I]Homo sapiens[/I] has spent the overwhelming majority of its time on Earth; but this advantage continues into the agricultural level, and even into the industrial and technological level of society.

A child of our species takes 12-15 years to reach sexual maturity. During that time the child needs a lot of nurturing, [I]and good food, [/I] to grow up healthy and strong. The father who sticks around and provides for his offspring is more likely to have his DNA stay and spread in the gene-pool, right? At the same time, his chances are diluted if his mate "plays around. " So faithful pair-bonding, I. E. Marriage, is important to the survival of the man's genotype. Add in the modern, agricultural and post-agricultural concepts of "property" and "inheritance, " and it becomes even more significant to have a strong pair-bond and sexual exclusivity.

And, given the importance of having a "good provider" to raise healthy children, the woman in these pre-industrial societies would have a significant stake in making sure the father supports her and their children. Anything she can do to keep the father interested in sticking around is a worthwhile investment in [I]her[/I] genetic future, too! So, in that model, the woman who "keeps her man happy" can hang on to a "good provider" to her immediate and future benefit.

From this, I believe we can impute the value of "love & marriage" to the continued survival of "our individual, genetic heritage. " Add the modern concepts of "property" "wealth" and "inheritance" [I]plus[/I] the dictates of religion, and we REALLY raise the stakes at the marriage table! Thus you get "The Donald" cleaving unto a trophy wife, or a succession of trophy wives; or, in a far-different culture, the Sultan and his harem.

Today's American culture has raised the bar so much on "successful providing" that the male has to work almost impossibly hard to "make it".[/QUOTE]


LOL who let this clown in here? LOL nice stuff but it has nothing to do with marriage in the sense in which we are talking

to "man" in general, this BS may apply, i am asking, name ONE benefit, legal or otherwise for a man, (other than to ensure LOL his genotype) to marry a AW beotch?

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]In USA and its laws very likely it might give much trouble. But in the place where I might marry, traditionally your wife is supposed to support you in everything(and you her too of course), she can be very beautiful, family oriented, cooks well, always there for you. Also she always knows there are many other women who would be happy to be in her place, so she won't do much stupid things. I would guess that USA(and similar countires) is kinda opposite.[/QUOTE]Dude,

Where are you from? I looked at your public profile but that doesn't say.

I need to visit at the very least. I need to see this for myself.

All you folks questioning the post below about killer sperm, you all need to read "sperm wars" by Robin Baker.

Talk about opening your eyes to the true nature of women!

It is not flattering of women at all and it is science.

Did you know, conservatively, 1 out of every 10 children are not the biological son / daughter of the man who believes he is the biological father?

Men may lie about being at the bar with their buddies, but that is nothing compared to the life long lie of letting some poor schmuck that is your husband live a life raising a child (or children) that he believes are his biological children but are not.

There are a lot of women doing this and they have since the dawn of humans

Did you know, if, say you have a live in girlfriend or wife and you have sex every day. And say for instance, you load her up with 100 million sperm. And she leaves for an overnight trip.

And say you have no reason to think she would ever sleep with another man. And she comes home and even if you masturbated to take care of the day she was gone. And you have sex with her upon return, you will shoot 200 million sperm. Most of it "sperm killer" sperm. Your subconscious mind knws better. It knows these kind of woman are ruthless liars.

There is all kinds of stuff. Like how a woman's ovulation favors the sperm of her lover (alpha male) over the sperm of her provider (beta). Her pussy husband could be tagging it every nite (not likely) and she has sex with her lover once that month and guess who's sperm her egg is going to let in? Yep, you guessed it. The lovers (it's complicated but enzymes have something to do with it)

Since reading that book and understanding the true nature of women, I have and always will strive to remain the alpha male I am than ever be a pussy beta male raising some other (alpha dude) mans kids.

[QUOTE=Crazy Jim Wood]the ideal is you have one woman (yours only) and a few others on the side. So the one has your kids who inherit your junk when you pass on.

Then you just sow your wild oats with the rest, if the oatlings make it great, if not, well, you have your one woman.

This rather successful guy, just by putting half his energy into the real family insures those kids carry on.

The other half he throws around as best he can.

The woman may not be happy she's only getting half, but she knows wny other successful guy would be the same, knows in the end getting half from this guy is still a good deal, and looks the other way.

A woman really doesn't benefit as much from sowing her oats. She just plows everything into the kids with the one man.

She MIGHT sow her oats if she thinks (1) the guy she has won't notice/care because he's a loser or (2) the guy she has just isn't capable of doing the job himself.

Now there are some guys who have trouble supporting just one woman.

That guy focuses everything on the one.

She knows she isn't that hot either. So she focuses on him as well. This couple together can somehow manage. So they don't want to rock the boat.

Marriage keeps all these women happy, since it guarantees their kids come out better than if they were by themselves.

Then there are the women who become the fields for the wild oats. We all know and love them. That field is open to whoever wants to plow it.

What about the men who can't get a woman? Sometimes they stray into the wild oat field that got left open for a few days. Most of the time they are under a bridge.[/QUOTE]This is spot on.

[quote=thatguy865]you have got to be kidding. most tribes. read about any amazon trib. and they still ahve them where their is, and has not been any christian influence. they may be poygamous. but still that only means the man may have 2 maybe 3 wives. but he isn't sharing them with anyone. also he is providing for them. and is committed to them. jealousy is a innate condition in 99% of humans. the is no society known to man who society had total open non committal sex partners. where anyone could fuck anyone and they was no commitment on anyones part.

and as far as your sperm theory. thats just out right wrong. your problem is probably lack of comprehension. what you are talking about is we produce a lot of sperm some of which about 1/3 are called "killer" sperm. which yes kills sperm but not your own sperm.

if 2 men both have sex with a woman and both cum inside her. one guy's "killer" sperm would try to attack the other guys sperm, to give the other sperm on his team a better chance at impregnanting the worman. they don't kill their own "brothers" or teammates. they are the team "hit squad" sort of speak. i just happen to have a doctor in the famiiy.[/quote]lets see your sources pal: "jealousy is a innate condition in 99% of humans. " totally made up, your opinion. cite your source! i must be one of the 1% who could care less who any of the women i f**k sleep with and that includes my eastern european wife who is half my age. she knows i am an atomic dog and loves me for it. she knows i am not going to stop with other women until i die or cannot perform. and i do not have a double standard

yes, the killer sperm does not attack your own sperm. it actually "tests" other sperm on the race to the egg. not only killer sperm but there is also "blocker sperm". read "sperm wars" by robin baker.

that guy, sometimes i think you are a woman posing as a man but i let that go and now think you just make up things like the 99% bs. if you want to run with the big dogs, you better do your research

you show me a peer reviewed source where 99% of human are jealous and i'll eat my words and apologize but i do not have to do any research to know that is total bs.

[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]There's a really fascinating 3-part doco series called [I]"Dr Tatiana's Sex Advice to All Creation"[/I]. According to the website it hasn't been approved for screening in the USA, but it's been shown in Australia, UK, France, etc and it's definitely worth a look if you can get your hands on it.

The second episode talks about female promiscuity and the commonly-held belief that women are inherently compelled to seek out a 'good provider'. According to this doco, that's only HALF true. Using examples from the animal kingdom, it shows that females are looking for two very separate things when it comes to having children. A safe and secure home [b]and[/b] 'superior' male genes.

In practice, this means the female seeks out a stable and supportive provider to build her nest/home with. Preferably one that isn't overly fit or attractive, so no other females will steal him away and threaten her family's security. She then goes out and screws as many young, fit, healthy, attractive men as she can, forcing their sperm to compete*, with only the strongest sperm (presumably from the healthiest male) resulting in pregnancy. Dr Tatiana's research finds that in many species, females are actually MORE promiscuous than males are.

Both sexes have an inherent urge to ensure survival of the species, but they do it in different ways. Women can only have one baby every year or so, so they're more likely to have frequent sex with one particularly desirable male, to increase the potential of 'superior' offspring (affairs). Men can father many babies simultaneously, so they're more likely to be indiscriminate in their choice of partners and just 'spread it around' to increase the overall number of offspring (variety). The doco suggests that this male tendency towards indiscriminate sex leads to various forms of [b]prostitution[/b] in the animal kingdom, with females taking advantage of the males' need for variety and using it to set herself up for her eventual role as mother and home-maker (extra food for physical health, 'currency' in the form of nest-building materials, etc).

Obviously this is just one theory from one doco, and there are many competing theories out there, but this one made a lot of sense to me when I watched it. I'd be interested to hear what you guys think?

* This idea of sperm competing might support Bango's comment about some sperm being designed solely to kill other sperm?[/QUOTE]It's not theory, it's fact.

This is what the book "Sperm Wars" addresses and more

Very good post,

Thank you

[QUOTE=Robert1110]LOL who let this clown in here? LOL nice stuff but it has nothing to do with marriage in the sense in which we are talking

to "man" in general, this BS may apply, i am asking, name ONE benefit, legal or otherwise for a man, (other than to ensure LOL his genotype) to marry a AW beotch?[/QUOTE]Robert,

I'm SO glad you picked up on the praying-mantis suit, the greasepaint smile, the rainbow wig and the big red rubber nose.

My slapstick point is that there's a plausible biological reason why humans will pair-bond; for the sake of the kids. As "the naked ape" has evolved, we've added all kinds of emotional, religous, and legal baggage to the pair-bond. Now, the "AW beotch" has turned it into a Royal Scam.

And yet, there are couples in the USA who describe themselves as "happily married. " There are more who admit "marriage is work, but I find it fulfilling. " You may regard this as more slapstick from Westy The Clown, if you like.

Personally, I have seen some "happy" marriages in the USA, and I have seen some that made me wince and think "How can you stand it? " I'm sure you've seen both extremes, too. I am pessimist enough to believe that I'd wind up hitched up to a beotch-cart and pulling caballo the rest of my life, so I'm not even looking for "love American style". I find it satisfying enough to say, in the morning, "I love you too, babe. Here's cab-fare to get you home. "

To quote Porky Pig, "Th-th-th-th-th-that's all, folks! "

[quote=robert1110]it's not theory, it's fact

this is what the book "sperm wars" addresses and more

very good post, thank you[/quote]one by one:

1. there are lots of books that come out every year about this or that, and just because someone puts it out does not make it indisputable fact. how many books have been published about homeopathic or chiropractic medicine? and both of them are bullshit. but there are many more books written about them than there are "sperm competition." or about intelligence as a structure vs. multiple intellegences vs. intelligence studied w/out structure (the bell curve).

2. the word "theory" (=the most misused word in the english language) means something that is meant to explain something that actually exists or predict something that should exist (and this is only if the theory is right). when you say "it is a fact and not theory" you are mixing apples and oranges. if the idea of "sperm competition" explains some particular thing, then sperm competition is the theory that explains that phenomenon, and the question is not whether that phenomenon exists but whether sperm competition is a suitable/ sufficient explanation. so, i am not sure what "sperm competition" is purporting to explain.

to go a bit further: evolution is not something that we doubt. but there are questions as to whether evolution is explained by [b]natural selection[/b] or [b]sexual selection[/b]. and then there are further questions still as to whether evolution happened gradually or by "punctuated equilibrium." they are two separate theories that are meant to explain the same process in each case. so, it is generally meaningless to say that one is "just theory" and the other is "fact." they are both theories to explain one single thing. and even within one animal, there are competing theories to explain even smaller things (such as concealed ovulation in humans-- some use the "many fathers" theory and others use the "stay at home father" theory).

3. [url]http://sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/286/5448/2265b[/url]

here is a peer-reviewed article that speaks against sperm competition.

4. i have never heard of thunder mouth press before today, and don't read an endorsement from a single biologist of note on the back of the book. (richard dawkins. jared diamond. s j gould-- who was alive when this idea came out and would have had at least something to say.)

5. another article, still that lays waste to sperm competition. [url]http://www.seductionlabs.org/2007/05/24/sperm-competition-and-the-kamikaze-sperm-hypothesis/[/url]

[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]This is the (developed by Christianity) idea of male 'ownership' of women and children, as a way of ensuring that your wife only bears *your* children. In this day and age, where women have access to birth control and can pick and choose when they get pregnant, it is completely irrelevant.

Extra-marital sexual activity is no longer directly related to childbearing. As far as I'm concerned, if my partner believes he has the 'right' to screw around for fun or variety, then so do I. End of story.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but the idea of fidelity long antedates Christianity. Jews are really worried about fidelity, and they have been around long before the church. Chinese people have been around as long as Jews (who started out as a tribe and then became strict monotheists), and they are just as worried about paternity/ marital fidelity.

A good place to read about this is during Imperial China. This story forms the basis for lots of Chinese dramas: There is an emperor somewhere who has some number of concubines. There are eunuchs who keep track of the women's menstrual periods and and the only ones allowed to be around these concubines because they are the only ones who could not impregnate these women. The eunuch does some dirty trick to get the person that he wants put into some post. (The first emperor, Qin Shi Huang's son killed himself as a result of a letter that was forged by, I believe, Zhao Gao so that he could have his adopted son appointed emperor. Many centuries later, when Ci Xi was maneuvering to get herself appointed Empress Dowager, her eunuch was the one who helped her hatch the plot.) The idea of "eunuchs" also shows up in a lot of things that I have read about the Middle East.

You can do some looking into a Jared Diamond book "The Third Chimpanzee" and he details the sexual behavior of the Great Apes. Some of them are monogamous (gibbons, I believe), others very promiscuous (bonobo chimps) and others still live in harems, protected by the strongest male possible (silverback gorillas). It was also interesting to note this book's documenting that if a gorilla came across any female with a baby that was not his, he would kill the child. If she didn't have a child, he would leave her alone.

[quote=robert1110]lets see your sources pal: "jealousy is a innate condition in 99% of humans. " totally made up, your opinion. cite your source! i must be one of the 1% who could care less who any of the women i f**k sleep with and that includes my eastern european wife who is half my age. she knows i am an atomic dog and loves me for it. she knows i am not going to stop with other women until i die or cannot perform. and i do not have a double standard

yes, the killer sperm does not attack your own sperm. it actually "tests" other sperm on the race to the egg. not only killer sperm but there is also "blocker sperm". read "sperm wars" by robin baker

that guy, sometimes i think you are a woman posing as a man but i let that go and now think you just make up things like the 99% bs. if you want to run with the big dogs, you better do your research

you show me a peer reviewed source where 99% of human are jealous and i'll eat my words and apologize but i do not have to do any research to know that is total bs[/quote]where your argument goes wrong is. jealousy occurs for those things which a person values. so you don't value your wife's fidelity. that doesn't mean you don't get jealous ever. a person can be jealous of anothers job. position in life. you are narrow minded so you only think of it when it pertains to a woman. but all normal people have jealousy as a trait. emotion within them.

you see it in babies all the time. even before they can speak. give one baby something. and not the sibling. and the one without starts to cry. why. jealousy.

but here are sources all of these say everyone has jealousy as a natural emotion.

[url]http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2699/is_0001/ai_2699000186/[/url]

[url]http://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith_60/78_dating_advice.html[/url]

[url]http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1877309/dating_relationships_is_jealousy_normal.html[/url]

let me know when you are finished eating.

"Sperm Wars" is EXACTLY the book I'm referring too... it's cold hard science... it's behavior that can be repeatedly observed 100% of them time under a microscope... there's no room to ***** and whine here.. it's mother nature... right up in our faces.... no "opinions" involved here... just FACT...

Thatguy you are also wrong as HELL about amazon tribes.. for one thing they are all very different from one another, and there are MANY MANY of them that DO make it culture or even a legal OBLIGATION to share wives... not to mention the Inuit, the Spartans, the native Tahitians and the Arawaks all of whom I mentioned earlier... PLENTY of advanced and not advanced civilizations have had these practices engrained in our culture... here in Colombia there are lots of indigenous cultures practicing their own traditions legally protected by the constitution.... and many of them share women among men as well...

N.B. among primates it is the same thing... but the ones willing to share their women are the ones NOT in danger of extinction... I believe the situation for the human race is the same... we keep on with this monogamy bullshit WE ARE FINISHED... and the bonobos or the dolphins will take over by default as the dominant species on Earth....

Even the ancient Hebrews were only PARTIALLY monogamous... the only ones required to be 100% monogamous were the priests and scribes, and that was in the sense that they had to take virgins for wives (they could still have several), things were more lax among the general population. At different times, prostitution was tolerated, at others it was forbidden. In ancient China prostitution was ALWAYS legal and in fact many times ENCOURAGED by local authorities to keep the local population content.

Just as a note... if you get a copy of "Sperm Wars" either get a 1st edition (very hard to find in the US) or get a 2nd edition but IGNORE the last chapter... the author was FORCED by the publishers to put that last chapter in to appease the prudish ignorant retarded American readership... it's the only chapter with no REAL science in it...

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Sorry, but the idea of fidelity long antedates Christianity...etc.[/QUOTE]
Oops...one typo and I've practically changed the whole meaning of my post! In response to Crazy Jim's claim that his 'ideal' was to have one faithful wife, etc, my post should have read that his was a Christian IDEAL (not 'idea'). In hindsight, saying it was a view 'developed' by Christianity was also wrong. I should have said 'promoted'.

What I was getting at is that 'Western' cultures (and our laws) are heavily influenced by Christian beliefs. One of them is the idea of marriage as a 'property transfer' of the woman, from father to husband, and the emphasis on FEMALE fidelity to ensure the continuation of male bloodlines. I agree that this is not a uniquely Christian idea and that it has happened for centuries in other cultures - my post was, although unintentionally, very Anglo-centric. Thank you for pulling me up on that. :)

As for jealousy, I don't know how innate it is, it's pretty hard to say how Paleolithic people reacted in those situations, or if they reacted with any sort of uniformity at all.....

I do know in my own personal life I have successfully eliminated any last trace of jealousy. I don't feel it at all. I only feel lack of something I want, which is very different in character. I've been this way for several years, and I consider it a great accomplishment. I don't think jealousy serves us at all.

Am stuck in NY for awhile so I decided to check out a well know online classified add site to find some action. Am off to a bad start. Look at these gems posted by some typical AWs.

[quote]Are you feeling the Valentine's blues? Are you willing to pay $500 for some (platonic) female accompaniment this evening?

I am a 23 year old college graduate. I am a very attractive and highly educated young lady: a great conversationalist, with varied interests.

I am a petite blond, with blue eyes. Under 35 please. [/quote]and

[quote]Hi, Beautiful girl here, smart, caucasian, slender, very feminine and fun loving. I am looking for cool gentelman, generous and respectful, who would take me shopping today. Do you like beautiful women in beautiful lingerie? High heels shoes? If you take me shopping- I would like to model them for you back at my place. No sex. But, I would be happy to give you a nice massage and have a good time with you.

If my idea appeals to you, please send me an email and your photo and let's have a nice Valentine's Day."[/quote]Are these skanks actually going to get some responders? Probably...so fking sad.

[quote=thatguy865][url]http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2699/is_0001/ai_2699000186/[/url]

[url]http://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith_60/78_dating_advice.html[/url]

[url]http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1877309/dating_relationships_is_jealousy_normal.html[/url]

let me know when you are finished eating.[/quote]you actually think these are peer reviewed and they insist everyone is "jealous".

lol

you have zero cred with me.

i must be a sociopath. i have no jealousy about anything.

i know i am precisely where i am at as a result of my own actions or inactions. i am not jealous of anyone or any thing.

[QUOTE=Westy]Robert,

I'm SO glad you picked up on the praying-mantis suit, the greasepaint smile, the rainbow wig and the big red rubber nose.

My slapstick point is that there's a plausible biological reason why humans will pair-bond; for the sake of the kids. As "the naked ape" has evolved, we've added all kinds of emotional, religous, and legal baggage to the pair-bond. Now, the "AW beotch" has turned it into a Royal Scam.

And yet, there are couples in the USA who describe themselves as "happily married. " There are more who admit "marriage is work, but I find it fulfilling. " You may regard this as more slapstick from Westy The Clown, if you like.

Personally, I have seen some "happy" marriages in the USA, and I have seen some that made me wince and think "How can you stand it? " I'm sure you've seen both extremes, too. I am pessimist enough to believe that I'd wind up hitched up to a beotch-cart and pulling caballo the rest of my life, so I'm not even looking for "love American style". I find it satisfying enough to say, in the morning, "I love you too, baB. Here's cab-fare to get you home. "

To quote Porky Pig, "Th-th-th-th-th-that's all, folks! "[/QUOTE]Westy,

I understand and agree with much of what you are saying here (in your previous post, the one I originally responded to), but "pairing" and "marriage" are not the same thing.

You can accomplish all of what you describe to ensure your genetic survival w/o marriage. The legal contract of marriage contributes nothing to this survival. In fact, this contract is dissolved more often than it is fulfilled.

My question remains, what benefit does the legal contract of marriage afford the man under the laws of any state within the USA?

[QUOTE=Robert1110]westy, i understand and agree with much of what you are saying here (in your previous post , the one i originally responded to), but "pairing" and "marriage" are not the same thing..

you can accomplish all of what you describe to ensure your genetic survival w/o marriage...the legal contract of marriage contributes nothing to this survival. in fact, this contract is dissolved more often than it is fulfilled.

my question remains, what benefit does the legal contract of marriage afford the man under the laws of any state within the USA?[/QUOTE]Ahhhh, the [i]legal[/i] benefit of marriage, to the man, under the laws of the states of the USA. All too good of a question.

As far as I know, the answer is the cube root of butt-f**k zero.

[quote=robert1110]you actually think these are peer reviewed and they insist everyone is "jealous"

lol

you have zero cred with me ....

i must be a sociopath..i have no jealousy about anything

i know i am precisely where i am at as a result of my own actions or inactions..i am not jealous of anyone or any thing.[/quote]no matter what i would have shown you. you would have given the same answer.

as tje artoc; e states

"let me start out by saying if anyone ever says to you they have never even had a twinge of jealousy, they're either lying, naive, or a sociopath. i believe even sociopaths who although can't exhibit much warmth or emotion, can even feel jealous"

and if you're not jealous. great send that easter european wife of yours over so i can tickle her tonsils with my dick. since you don't mind. and i'll show her what kind of woman i am.

tg

If you are in NY you should take a weekend trip to Montreal, about a four to five hour drive and world of difference from America. I thought Australia was bad until I saw America. Australia at least has large numbers of good Asian providers that provide good service for cheap, its the white women in Australia that are horrible, they will give you a penile examination before you giving you any sexual services.

[QUOTE=Australiasucks]If you are in NY you should take a weekend trip to Montreal, about a four to five hour drive and world of difference from America. Its the white women in Australia that are horrible, they will give you a penile examination before you giving you any sexual services.[/QUOTE]

So, getting a penile look over is a bad thing?? I agree with you on Montreal, prettiest women in N.America.

A chick did the "look over" to me in Victoria Canada. It was all I could do to not burst out laughing. What did the untrained eye of this dull-witted high school graduate expect to find anyway? There are countless diseases and disorders that would be impossible for her to spot!

And I agree, the best looking women by far in N. America are in Montreal. No coincidence that, they being non-Anglo.

[quote=thatguy865]no matter what i would have shown you. you would have given the same answer.[/quote]i can see you are one of these guys that try and rewrite the argument when you have no facts.

do you know what a "peer-reviewed" article or paper is? do you think an artical pulled off the internet in say, a men's magazine is "peer reviewed"?

you gave us your opinion that 100% of people are "jealous" and i asked you to back up your absurd statement.

and you cannot. so you tell me no matter what you "show" me, i will give the "same answer".

ahem. i'll say it again. show me a peer-reviwed (that pretty much means scientific study) and i will eat my words.

until then, you are busy eating yours, ok?

my wife has good taste and likes intelligent men, you would not make the grade.

[QUOTE=Westy]Ahhhh, the [i]legal[/i] benefit of marriage, to the man, under the laws of the states of the USA. All too good of a question.

As far as I know, the answer is the cube root of butt-f**k zero.[/QUOTE]We are in complete agreement.

I should have asked a better question.

I USED to be jealous, but I learned how to conquer it. Same with fear. Negative emotions have NO PLACE... NONE!

You can have any girl I sleep with ..... IF she's willing... some of them are putas... you just have to pay the going rate and be clean and halfway respectful... if you can manage that, be my guest. I'm not anybody's owner!!!


[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]No matter what I would have shown you. You would have given the same answer.

As tje artoc; e states

"Let me start out by saying if anyone ever says to you they have never even had a twinge of jealousy, they're either lying, naive, or a sociopath. I believe even sociopaths who although can't exhibit much warmth or emotion, can even feel jealous"

And if you're not jealous. Great send that easter European wife of yours over so I can tickle her tonsils with my dick. Since you don't mind. And I'll show her what kind of woman I am.

TG[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I USED to be jealous, but I learned how to conquer it. Same with fear. Negative emotions have NO PLACE. NONE!

You can have any girl I sleep with. IF she's willing. Some of them are putas. You just have to pay the going rate and be clean and halfway respectful. If you can manage that, be my guest. I'm not anybody's owner![/QUOTE]So you are the one bad ass who could be water boarded and because you have no "fear" you wouldn't give up any secrets. Yeah right. And just because you don't care about anyone fuckin a hoe you fuckd. Doesn't mean you don't get jealous. It just means like most guys who fuck hoes. You don't put any value on those relationship. duh.

[quote=thatguy865]so you are the one bad ass who could be water boarded and because you have no "fear" you wouldn't give up any secrets. yeah right. and just because you don't care about anyone fuckin a hoe you fuckd. doesn't mean you don't get jealous. it just means like most guys who fuck hoes. you don't put any value on those relationship. duh.[/quote]you really don't get it do you? i "value" some of the relationships i have with some women, including my wife. you keep twisting your argument, which is 100% of humans are "jealous".

you do not even recognize the absurdity of your claim and you are the one who will "give the same answer" regardless of the facts.

you have yet to provide anything remotely backing your preposterous claim, because you already know you will be unable to do so.

so you have no other course than to admit you do not know what you are talking about (which i am fairly sure you will not do) or, you will now say, since because some real men, such as bango cheito and millions of other real men who do not feel the emotion of jealousy (a byproduct of insecurity or a realization of one's inferiority), we somehow do not "value" our relationships, or our women are "ho's".

you're making about as much sense as sarah palin and, like her, make preposterous claims devoid of evidence.

one peer reviewed scientific study that says 100% of humans are jealous is all i'm asking.

surely, if it were a fact instead of nothing more than your opinion, you should be able to come up with such an article in seconds using google.

instead, we will read yet another convoluted attempt to twist your opinion into some sort of fact, regardless of how unsubstantiated.

[QUOTE=Yogin]A chick did the "look over" to me in Victoria Canada. It was all I could do to not burst out laughing. What did the untrained eye of this dull-witted high school graduate expect to find anyway? There are countless diseases and disorders that would be impossible for her to spot!

And I agree, the best looking women by far in N. America are in Montreal. No coincidence that, they being non-Anglo.[/QUOTE]

I chatted up a very nice looking Mexican girl (US Born), she recently returned from vacationing down in some town/city near Guadalajara.

I dunno maybe I fucked up though because she didn't mind talking to me one bit once she found out I was beyond what most people talk about. She's currently a student but not going to school. She was looking for a job so I gave her a couple of numbers to managers I know (one I work with) I didn't want to seem to forward by offering my number to her and expecting her to call it.

I was just kinda surprised she wasn't defensive like most AW are. We'll see what happens. Imagine that a nice looking (European decent for sure no dark features at all) Latina that isn't so high on herself that she's a biotch.

I suppose this is one of those "Perfect Grain of Sand" - "Needle In The Haystack" moments, we'll see how it goes.

I had to fight for my life against 3 armed muggers over a year ago, got stabbed 5 times, no fear.

You are assuming wayyyy too much brother man. One of the hoes in question was my WIFE with whom I bought property!!! And I LIKED it when she fucked other guys, especially if we got it on video. Any more stupid assumptions???

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]So you are the one bad ass who could be water boarded and because you have no "fear" you wouldn't give up any secrets. Yeah right. And just because you don't care about anyone fuckin a hoe you fuckd. Doesn't mean you don't get jealous. It just means like most guys who fuck hoes. You don't put any value on those relationship. duh.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I had to fight for my life against 3 armed muggers over a year ago, got stabbed 5 times, no fear.

You are assuming wayyyy too much brother man. One of the hoes in question was my WIFE with whom I bought property! And I LIKED it when she fucked other guys, especially if we got it on video. Any more stupid assumptions?[/QUOTE]Well sounds like to me. You married a slutty hoe. So I guess you aren't jealous. I know if I married the neighborhood pass around hoe. I guess I wouldn't be jealous either. And defending her against 3 muggers and getting stabbed 5 times. Doesn't mean you have no fear. To me just means you "got fucked up by 3 muggers" for being in the wrong place with your slutty wife, who you were forced to defend.

Maybe that guy needs to experience more of life to have an understanding of emotions.

I think we can agree that "fear" is even more innate in humans than something much lesser such as "jealousy" which has nothing to do with survival instincts.

And even fear can be overcome. I will give you a personal example.

I have over 3000 skydives, some 3-4 days (60-70hrs) in freefall.

On my first static line jump, I was so scared (fear), that if the woman before me did not go, I would have rode down with her in the airplane. But, dang it, she went so I had no real choice unless I wanted to look like a real pussy.

Some 1000 jumps later, I could jump from any plane with my eyes closed. I am sure if there was something monitoring my heart rate and other vital signs, there would not be any indication or any difference during the ride to altitude all the way to exiting the plane, freefall, deploying my parachute and landing.

Absolutely no fear at all.

Amazing what the brain can do.

[QUOTE=Robert1110]maybe thatguy needs to experience more of life to have an understanding of emotions.

i think we can agree that "fear" is even more innate in humans than something much lesser such as "jealousy" which has nothing to do with survival instincts.

and even fear can be overcome. i will give you a personal example.

i have over 3000 skydives, some 3-4 days (60-70hrs) in freefall.

on my first static line jump, i was so scared (fear), that if the woman before me did not go, i would have rode down with her in the airplane. but, dang it, she went so i had no real choice unless i wanted to look like a real pussy.

some 1000 jumps later, i could jump from any plane with my eyes closed. i am sure if there was something monitoring my heart rate and other vital signs, there would not be any indication or any difference during the ride to altitude all the way to exiting the plane, freefall, deploying my parachute and landing.

absolutely no fear at all.

amazing what the brain can do.[/QUOTE]

I agree the only fear that would come into place is if the chute did not deploy like it should.

It happen to fellow Club DJ Rob Harris as he was doing a shoot for a Mountain Dew ad and his chute failed.

If that name rings a bell, he won the first ESPN X Games Sky Surfing Competition, you can find videos on You Tube.

Indeed its amazing what you can overcome...

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I agree the only fear that would come into place is if the chute did not deploy like it should.

It happen to fellow Club DJ Rob Harris as he was doing a shoot for a Mountain Dew ad and his chute failed.

If that name rings a bell, he won the first ESPN X Games Sky Surfing Competition, you can find videos on You Tube.

Indeed its amazing what you can overcome...[/QUOTE]


yes, i met rob in eloy AZ shortly before the MD commercial...great guy, and proof it (death) happens to the best.

he was a pure NATURAL on a board.

we had a safety meeting together, having met him through another friend who was a world champion at the time, kirk v

the way i heard it, he had trouble with the concealed rig. it was not good weather but the pressure to jump because of the production crew led to bad decisions.

More evidence of biatch slappin' Asian men...

[i]Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia (CNN) -- For the first time, Malaysian authorities have caned three Muslim women under Islamic law for acts of adultery, the Malaysian national news agency Bernama said...

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/17/malaysia.adultery.caning/index.html?hpt=T2[/url][/i]

-Helpmann :)


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[QUOTE=Robert1110]maybe thatguy needs to experience more of life to have an understanding of emotions.

i think we can agree that "fear" is even more innate in humans than something much lesser such as "jealousy" which has nothing to do with survival instincts.

and even fear can be overcome. i will give you a personal example.

i have over 3000 skydives, some 3-4 days (60-70hrs) in freefall.

on my first static line jump, i was so scared (fear), that if the woman before me did not go, i would have rode down with her in the airplane. but, dang it, she went so i had no real choice unless i wanted to look like a real pussy.

some 1000 jumps later, i could jump from any plane with my eyes closed. i am sure if there was something monitoring my heart rate and other vital signs, there would not be any indication or any difference during the ride to altitude all the way to exiting the plane, freefall, deploying my parachute and landing.

absolutely no fear at all.

amazing what the brain can do.[/QUOTE]No you only mastered fearing of that one thing. You did not master FEAR of all things to say you have NO FEAR of anything at ALL. Anyone can master the fear they have of one thing or another.

When I first learned to ride a bicycle as a kid I had fear of falling. Like most kids. But after you learn how to balance. Before you know it. You're riding with no hands. That doesn't mean you've mastered FEAR.

Shit if that was the case eveyone masters FEAR. Because everyone has overcome the fear of something. Sleeping alone. Sleeping in the Dark. Shit I can name a dozen things that every ordinary people have fear of and overcome.

Your analogy just doesn't hold water. But good try. And I reckon. I've probably experienced as much in life as most if not more than most.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]I agree the only fear that would come into place is if the chute did not deploy like it should.

It happen to fellow Club DJ Rob Harris as he was doing a shoot for a Mountain Dew ad and his chute failed.

If that name rings a bell, he won the first ESPN X Games Sky Surfing Competition, you can find videos on You Tube.

Indeed its amazing what you can overcome...[/QUOTE]Well if you conquered fear. Even when the chute didn't open. You should do your best swan dive impression. Because you'd have no fear of dying. That is. If you really mastered FEAR. But we all know thats a bunch of BS. Everyone has fear in them. They have just avoided fearful situations to know.

Keep pissing in the wind and showing your own ignorance, brother.

She was actually quite innocent when I met her. I opened her mind, and a few other parts of her :) To tell the truth, she did the same with me. Together we killed jealousy in each other. Despite the fact that we had problems and are no longer together, I will forever be grateful to her for that.

My wife wasn't with me when I got attacked, she was out hoeing somewhere else. And I fought the three of those little punks to a tie. I only mention it because it was for me what the skydiving was to Mr. Robert. My fear died forever in that street fight. I will never experience fear again.

Any more asinine totally off-base assumptions about my personal life?


[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Well sounds like to me. You married a slutty hoe. So I guess you aren't jealous. I know if I married the neighborhood pass around hoe. I guess I wouldn't be jealous either. And defending her against 3 muggers and getting stabbed 5 times. Doesn't mean you have no fear. To me just means you "got fucked up by 3 muggers" for being in the wrong place with your slutty wife, who you were forced to defend.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]No you only mastered fearing of that one thing. You did not master FEAR of all things to say you have NO FEAR of anything at ALL. Anyone can master the fear they have of one thing or another.

When I first learned to ride a bicycle as a kid I had fear of falling. Like most kids. But after you learn how to balance. Before you know it. You're riding with no hands. That doesn't mean you've mastered FEAR.

Shit if that was the case eveyone masters FEAR. Because everyone has overcome the fear of something. Sleeping alone. Sleeping in the Dark. Shit I can name a dozen things that every ordinary people have fear of and overcome.

Your analogy just doesn't hold water. But good try. And I reckon. I've probably experienced as much in life as most if not more than most.[/QUOTE]That guy, you are not worth the hassle. You are so out of it. Make your own claims and say they are mine?

Did I say I "mastered fear" anywhere?

You are a complete idiot and I'm not giving you the time of day anymore

Post away. Make up your own claims, make up the claims of others.

Nothing you have said to date backs up your absurd claims about jealousy

If you are married, I feel sorry for your wife. You're such a pussy, you are jealous of her, probably a control freak and if anyone else is banging her, such as myself or Bango Cheito or any real man for that matter, guess who's kid she will have?

Not yours.

Guys guys. Let’s chill with the personal attacks. Attack the post not the poster. I know it gets a little tense on this board and I have done and said some things I shouldn’t have said in the past. You may have a guy harassing you or you may have a guy who just doesn’t agree with you all the time and it gets under your skin but there is no reason to throw the insults especially when none of us know each other personally.

The moderator usually shows up a little too late when things have got out of hand already and instead of holding everyone responsible he holds one guy responsible…. going with the tide of the board on who is causing the trouble when board members due to their own prejudice may have reasons for being against the poster in question.

You guys simply don’t agree with That Guy and he doesn’t agree with you guys it is as simple as that.

I'd like in that case for us to steer clear of the ASSUMPTIONS.. I hate it when people ASSUME shit about me, they are usually completely wrong, as in this case. If in doubt, ASK!

For the record, I have ZERO fear. I don't fear dying, I don't fear any amount of pain. NOTHING. ZERO. I also have ZERO jealousy. The more I like a girl the MORE I want to share her, not the less! For that matter the MORE sexual partners she's had the MORE I want her. That's called being in tune with nature as opposed to society's bullshit. I don't buy the bullshit anymore.

Ever heard the phrase:

"Arguing online is like participating in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you are still a retard."

Just for those that take this way too personal.

Warbucks,

I'm with you. People often DO disagree, but we can do so without being disagreeable; we can oppose a viewpoint without attacking the person occupying that viewpoint. Sometimes I have to take a deep breath and tell myself "He doesn't know me, all he knows is how HE feels."

Bango, I congratulate you for pushing fear and jealousy out of your inner make-up. I haven't quite done this for myself, but that's me. I would like to believe I've set aside jealousy, but it's a long time since I've had a relationship so deep and committed as to awaken the kind of "possessiveness" that would express itself as jealousy; so I don't know.

Anyways, aren't we here to "flame" the AW "beotches" rather than each other?

[quote=warbucks]guys guys. let’s chill with the personal attacks. attack the post not the poster. i know it gets a little tense on this board and i have done and said some things i shouldn’t have said in the past. you may have a guy harassing you or you may have a guy who just doesn’t agree with you all the time and it gets under your skin but there is no reason to throw the insults especially when none of us know each other personally.

the moderator usually shows up a little too late when things have got out of hand already and instead of holding everyone responsible he holds one guy responsible…. going with the tide of the board on who is causing the trouble when board members due to their own prejudice may have reasons for being against the poster in question.

you guys simply don’t agree with that guy and he doesn’t agree with you guys it is as simple as that.[/quote]you're right warbucks. my apologies to the pinhead. j/k

here is what is going on. thatguy makes a preposterous claim that "100% of humans are jealous"

i ask him to back it up, he cannot.

bango and i give him examples of how people can control, overcome or are simply devoid of some of the most common emotions.

fear, (and i think i can back this up) is much more of an innately human emotion than jealousy as fear has a lot to do with fight or flight and therefore survival.

my example of overcoming a specific type of fear (and i am still afraid of heights, as illogical as that may seem being a very experienced skydiver but that's another story). was an attempt to illustrate how humans (my being one). can overcome emotions more powerful than jealousy.

that's all

we're still waiting to see the peer reviewed article backing up thatguys claim, and, as i predicted, he has not done so and he has made silly posts twisting both what bango and i are telling him about our personal experiences with certain emotions. that is easier than coming up with evidence of his preposterous claim; "100% of humans are jealous"

we're still waiting.

refute or back it up

[QUOTE=Robert1110]yes, i met rob in eloy AZ shortly before the MD commercial...great guy, and proof it (death) happens to the best.

he was a pure NATURAL on a board.

we had a safety meeting together, having met him through another friend who was a world champion at the time, kirk v

the way i heard it, he had trouble with the concealed rig. it was not good weather but the pressure to jump because of the production crew led to bad decisions.[/QUOTE]I miss Rob more for his DJ chops one of the best club mixers in LA. There's one You Tube video where he gets out of bed and puts a record on one of his Techniques 1200's and that becomes the soundtrack for the video.

I think some of the deaths around the sports brought it to an end.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8fwskhvzau[/url]

i think this video is by joe jennings.

i met joe at a weathered out state record attempt in maryland, i think.

met rob at a halloween boogie at eloy. we partied with a few arizona airspeed teammates.

all good people

[QUOTE=Robert1110]DUDE, where are you from? i looked at your public profile but that doesn't say chit.

i need to visit at the very least..i need to see this for myself[/QUOTE]I am talking about Central Asia. When I tell people over there about your guys stories about AW they never believe.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I'd like in that case for us to steer clear of the ASSUMPTIONS. I hate it when people ASSUME shit about me, they are usually completely wrong, as in this case. If in doubt, ASK!

For the record, I have ZERO fear. I don't fear dying, I don't fear any amount of pain. NOTHING. ZERO. I also have ZERO jealousy. The more I like a girl the MORE I want to share her, not the less! For that matter the MORE sexual partners she's had the MORE I want her. That's called being in tune with nature as opposed to society's bullshit. I don't buy the bullshit anymore.[/QUOTE]like I said you should join the CIA cause they would know you would never tell any secrets. You'd be the only guy in the world. Wome couldn't break you. No jealousy and torture wouldn't work on you cause you have no fear. Damn, I guess we lucky you aint a taliaban. You'd be the most dangerous man in the world. I surprised they haven't recruited you to at least show them how to overcome all these basic instincts that 99% of humans display.

I stand corrected, fellas because we now know the 1 person in the world who has no fear and no jealousy. Bango Cheito. What other natural emotions have you taught yourself to rid of. Maybe tireness. Stress. Nervousness. Exciitment.

I'm hardly the only one. People who have mastered fear and jealousy are pretty rare but we are getting more and more numerous all the time.

Anybody who has mastered pranayama is immune to torture because they are capable of committing suicide by stopping their own hearts, under any circumstances.... that's a completely different discipline though...

It's a big world out there and you're seeing a tiny sliver of it BRO....

This is my whole point, people who think like I do do so because they have EVOLVED into it. People who think like you do do so because they are stuck at a lower level. Monogamy and jealousy and all the things that go with it are a lower level of existence.

Pretty ironic that you come on here and spout your worthless sarcasm over things that are so far over your head you're not even aware of them.

Back to topic, American, Australian, and British women are absolute horrors. Some Western European women are marginally better, more relaxed about sex. I would say Eastern Europe, Latin America, and Asia seem to have considerably better women, but I bet as those regions modernize they will become "American". The major underlying reason Western women behave the way they do is that they do not need a man for financial support, the system in the West largely is against men and rewards women for misconduct. People like Kim Kardashian and trash like her are seen as role models for females, its no wonder it is bad to be a man in these countries.

Colombia is in NO danger of having the same thing happen. People here take great pride in their personal appearence, are aware of what's going on around the globe, adress each other with respect, they just have a completely different mindset. Plus people here are evolving quickly.

If you come here looking for the typical housewife you are in the WRONG fucking place my friend. If you come here looking for the best sex ever, you are in the right place, but better get your ducks in a row. People here are picky, you might not make the cut :P

Frankly if you're looking for the "typical housewife" you are in the wrong UNIVERSE these days :P The world is changing for the better... those kind of relationships are TOXIC and unnatural and not good for the species ;P

[QUOTE=Australiasucks]Back to topic, American, Australian, and British women are absolute horrors. Some Western European women are marginally better, more relaxed about sex. I would say Eastern Europe, Latin America, and Asia seem to have considerably better women, but I bet as those regions modernize they will become "American". The major underlying reason Western women behave the way they do is that they do not need a man for financial support, the system in the West largely is against men and rewards women for misconduct. People like Kim Kardashian and trash like her are seen as role models for females, its no wonder it is bad to be a man in these countries.[/QUOTE]I live in America. Feel blessed. Wouldn't want to have been born or live anywhere else. Have had great women, great times and continue to have both. Do I monger. Yes. Thats for a change of pace and variety. Even the man who is accustom to Steak and champagne. Likes a hot dog and beer sometimes.

How many times does a hot dog bite you in the ass? That's what happens when dating good old AW's if you don't have your guard up at all times. Yes, from time to time one must taste the local cuisine. There is nothing wrong with that concept. Name the type of AW's and I've had a taste of most flavors. The problem is all the complications and the games these AW's have been trained to play to trap a man.

When not in good old Sex Prison, one can indulge and not worry about the consequences of philandering at will. Heck, look at what happened to a world famous golfer just recently. Having to go apologize for screwing skeezers would be the last thing he had to do if he knew where to go have a good time. Heck, if I were him I would have told everyone to mind their own business. Period. All these skanks keep throwing their drawers at him and he can't indulge? Please.

Around the world, except for certain First World countries, men of power and wealth are EXPECTED to slap as many ho's asses with their privates as they can get. They are admired for that, revered. Here in the Sex prison, it is a "Shameful, immoral, disgraceful and ground for scorn”. Look at what happened to all those politicians. No one talks about the women who KNEW the man was married, yet kept right on giving these men the temptation to stray from their marriages. As I always say, it takes two to Tango, the 50 or so women in these scandals all knew what they were doing. I can’t believe no one trashes them for having sex knowingly with married men.

Anyway, damn if you do and damn if you don’t play. The consequences in Sex Prison are the main motivators in avoiding these AW’s skanks as much as possible. Never say never, but I don’t go out seeking their awful disposition.
[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]I live in America. Feel blessed. Wouldn't want to have been born or live anywhere else. Have had great women, great times and continue to have both. Do I monger. Yes. Thats for a change of pace and variety. Even the man who is accustom to Steak and champagne. Likes a hot dog and beer sometimes.[/QUOTE]

The great irony is, Colombia DOES want to "be like the US" but they have an image of the US as what it's not.... they think of it as this great progressive open minded country breaking down social and cultural barriers, bringing various groups together, and collectively throwing off the shackles of religious and cultural oppression for all. This is the IDEAL they are pursuing, but many of them are absolutely clueless as to how far the US is from this. This may have been more true DECADES ago.

But the fact is that Americans (and Canadians as well) are the most PRUDISH people on the face of the Earth, and the quickest to judge others, as Voyager points out, one only has to open any major newspaper to verify this. I'm a very open minded person and here in Bogota I have a MUCH easier time meeting people who think (and ACT) like me.

Now if you excuse me I'm going to go call my prepago friend because we have to to promo shots today for a major porn producer. :)

[QUOTE=Voyajer1]
When not in good old Sex Prison, one can indulge and not worry about the consequences of philandering at will. Heck, look at what happened to a world famous golfer just recently. Having to go apologize for screwing skeezers would be the last thing he had to do if he knew where to go have a good time. Heck, if I were him I would have told everyone to mind their own business. Period. All these skanks keep throwing their drawers at him and he can't indulge? Please.

... Look at what happened to all those politicians. No one talks about the women who KNEW the man was married, yet kept right on giving these men the temptation to stray from their marriages. As I always say, it takes two to Tango, the 50 or so women in these scandals all knew what they were doing. I can’t believe no one trashes them for having sex knowingly with married men. [/QUOTE]
I agree with much you say, but it is too much to blame or suggest the women are at fault for playing with a married man. It is the married person's problem to deal with the morality of their situation. If it doesn't bother the married half, then I don't see why the unmarried party should worry (or carry any responsibility). Tiger is a grown man, he can make his own decision about whether to philander or not.

Speaking as a married man it bugs the hell out of me when a prospective short-term fling demurs because she does not want to take "another woman's man" on principle. She will have NSA sex with a single or divorced guy, but not a married man. Some kind of code of the sisterhood. I can understand if they have a long-term relationship in mind, but for a quickie or brief affair - why is that her concern? I'm the one who has to live with it.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]...The world is changing for the better... [/QUOTE]

I profoundly disagree, BC. The world is getting worse, and fast.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I agree with much you say, but it is too much to blame or suggest the women are at fault for playing with a married man. It is the married person's problem to deal with the morality of their situation. If it doesn't bother the married half, then I don't see why the unmarried party should worry (or carry any responsibility). Tiger is a grown man, he can make his own decision about whether to philander or not.

Speaking as a married man it bugs the hell out of me when a prospective short-term fling demurs because she does not want to take "another woman's man" on principle. She will have NSA sex with a single or divorced guy, but not a married man. Some kind of code of the sisterhood. I can understand if they have a long-term relationship in mind, but for a quickie or brief affair - why is that her concern? I'm the one who has to live with it.[/QUOTE]

This may be a bit outrageous, but to some degree this all started with the popularization of easily available birth control. In many ways, it was the enabling technology that gave women some degree of choice which was embraced widely throughout the Western World and certainly in the countries that we are talking about. Since that day, I think that to some degree women have been struggling with that choice ever since.

Think back to the 50's and early 60's. Women did not really have a choice. They got married and had kids (not necessarily in that order) and for the next 18 - 25 years, that was it. Having affairs was commonplace and even joked about even in the most polite circles. While certainly not condoned, women did not really have a choice. Cries of infidelity fell largely on deaf ears and were rarely effective grounds for divorce (blackmail) the way it is now. Why? Well, they didn't have much of a choice. If your husband screwed around but was a good provider and didn't beat you, women were encouraged to suck it up and get past it. I am in my early 50's and have several recently retired (and some not so recently) colleagues who reflect on the past who some degree of fondness comparing notes about extra marital trysts and the fact that while they were not happy about it, their wives knew it was going on and tolerated it. They laugh at us and what we have to deal with today.

Let's face it. The world, or more to the point OUR WORLD has changed with respect to what behavior women will or will not tolerate from their husbands. I believe that the shift in attitude and confidence stems from the ability of women to provide for themselves. Once they broke the bonds of dependence from a man to support them, a new boldness quickly gathered steam and evolved into what we have today.

So, what does this have to do with morality? Not a damned thing. Women have not changed their minds about how they feel about cheating husbands; the only thing that has changed is what they are prepared to do about it and the degree to which we caved in and been bullied into capitulating to their demands. Personally, I think what is at the heart of what we are dealing with today is not the fact that women have economic freedom, but the fact that they are CONFLICTED about what to do with that freedom. On the one hand, they have the freedom to support themselves and (to some degree) earn a man's money for them and their children. But on the other hand, she struggles with the maternal instinct to be a "stay at home Mom" and provide the story book perfect lifestyle for her and her family. The new goal for countless women today is to HAVE IT ALL. They want to have a college education so that they can claim intellectual equality but in decreasing numbers they do not want to stay in the work force if they can get away with it. This scenario is not possible unless they are able to convince their man that their particular vision of reality is one worth achieving and perpetuating.

Once we accepted that vision as being "normal" we lost the fight and became willing participants in what we have today. If we could have kept women pregnant and at home, we would not be in the situation we are in today.
For better or worse.
Call me a caveman, but it's the truth.

Only SOME parts of it...

Marriage and monogamy are NOT good for the human race... men OR women... the sooner we get away from that shit the better...

Birth control is the BEST thing that could happen to us.... we do NOT need more kids we can't raise properly...

[QUOTE=Opebo]I profoundly disagree, BC. The world is getting worse, and fast.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Only SOME parts of it...

Marriage and monogamy are NOT good for the human race... men OR women... the sooner we get away from that shit the better...

Birth control is the BEST thing that could happen to us.... we do NOT need more kids we can't raise properly...[/QUOTE]I do not see any problems with Marriage in places with strong traditions of family values. Whats wrong with having a loving reliable wife, who is taking care of you, cooking, the house, children, etc?

At the same time if you can afford it you can have other women on the side. It can even be culturally acceptable in case you are a good provider for your family.

For example in muslim cultures you can officially(or nonofficially where it is illegal) have several wives as long as you support all of them

So the idea is that if you're a good provider you can have as many women as you can afford while also being married to a single decent woman.

People in those places do not just get married because the other person is "funny", or good looking. They also check on family background, ability of the male to earn money, ability of the woman to be good wife, etc.

The big "marriage" problem exist in western feminized societies where the gender roles are messed up, the laws are ridiculous. So here marriage does not make much sense, mostly troubles. It is really fucked up, if you find out that you're married to an ugly nasty biyotch, but you cannot even cheat on her, since she can easily mess you up financially and morally if she wants to.

And you cannot easily divorse her without wasting years and paying lots of money to lawyers and her.

In other places where you can divorse without much trouble and easily find another woman, marriage is not such a big deal for men.

Well said, GF.

Look at this drivel written by a feminized AM. [url]http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-reasons-to-get-married.html[/url]
Top Ten Reasons For Men to Marry. Bunch of anecdotal wishful thinking.

[QUOTE=Yogin]Well said, GF.

Look at this drivel written by a feminized AM. [url]http://www.askmen.com/top_10/dating/top-10-reasons-to-get-married.html[/url]
Top Ten Reasons For Men to Marry. Bunch of anecdotal wishful thinking.[/QUOTE]
I disagree.
Most of the reasons here are pretty solid.

10. Married makes you live longer.
- well documented fact. Assuming you WANT to live longer!
(old joke - it only seems longer, for married men)

9. Marriage increases your earning power.
- I don't buy this exactly as stated. I don't know that it increases your personal earning power, but a marriage as an economic unit is likely to increase your overall wealth (adjusted for children and divorce). However, some expenses, like housing, are likely to be much higher, because single people have much more modest requirements/expectations.

8. Marriage gives you a platform to continue your bloodline.
- my quibble here is with its placement. This should be #1 or #2. Marriage is by far the best model for raising a family, although obviously this is also possible in common-law relationships, divorce and single situations. But looking at all the work and challenges in raising kids, a stable marriage is by far the best model.

7. Marriage prevents you from dying alone.
- works for guys at least. A factor if considering a late-life split up. Obviously many more women end up dying alone because they outlive us.

6. Marriage makes you more attractive.
- their arguement here is that many women find married men attractive. I think what they mean is that many women like the stability and commitment implied by a married man. But this isn't going to help you make out with them - you are already taken! And being a cheater negates any of the aforementioned attractive qualities. Best option - divorced with kids, where the divorce was not your fault. Better still - be a widower (a la Tom Hanks in "Sleepless in Seattle")!

5. Marriage brings financial benefits.
- was true, not so much now that many benefits are equally available to common-law couples, depending on your jurisdiction.

4. Marriage means more sex.
- yes, true for most. Even in the low points of my marriage I was getting more sex than most guys here, who are getting laid mostly when they travel. And now I get it 2 or 3 times a week, 52 weeks a year. A lot less than I want, but a lot more than most single mongers.

3. Marriage means better sex.
- I don't know about this one. I understand their argument about knowing each other's hot spots, but there is also a huge chance of getting into a rut and not trying new things, or even things you used to do when you were younger or newly married. Plus of coures you are not fucking nubile young beauties, but some woman who is almost as old and flawed as you are!

2. Married people are happier.
- probably. There are lots of upsides, but some downers - especially loss of freedom.

1. Marriage makes you a better man.
- this one is pretty dubious and certainly is not the #1 benefit. Their agrument is that your little helpmeet in life will push you to do better and be better. Maybe. But just as likely you are going to have to play it safe in other areas of life (business, sports, recreation, artistic expression) where a single person can please themselves. And of course there are many men who get bored or oppressed by their marriage and fall into a rut.


Overall, the best combination is marriage for the bread and butter issues (including regular sex) and mongering for adventure, excitement and experimental sex!!

All I can say is that the happiest guys I know (including myself), have never been married, or had kids. Most of the guys who have been married, are no longer married, having been cleaned out by ex-wife, ex-kids, ex-pets, and continue to make payments long after they have ever seen any of them.

I have been trying to get a few of my married buddies to watch some of the winter olympics, and it pretty much comes down to them begging their wives/gfs to allow them the precious time to join me and the single guys in the bar. Who needs that bs? Sure, marriage works, as long as you are willing to be hen-pecked, hog-tied, and effectively declare yourself a permanent ABM for the rest of your life

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]10. Married makes you live longer.[/quote][b]I want to see some statistics on the longevity of formerly married men (divorced or widowed).[/b]

[quote]9. Marriage increases your earning power.[/quote][b]And divorce halves it![/b]

[quote]8. Marriage gives you a platform to continue your bloodline.[/quote][b]You don't have to marry to have kids. Hell, men can be dead and still have kids. I feel sorry for my male married friends who have the "luck to be blessed" with 3+ daughters and NO sons (LOL). You're better off adopting sons.[/b]

[quote]7. Marriage prevents you from dying alone.[/quote][b]Bullshit! You have your bastard/adopted kids and your 20 year-old Brazilian girlfriend.[/b]

[quote]6. Marriage makes you more attractive.[/quote][b]Give me a break!! Women love saps and suckers.[/b]

[quote]5. Marriage brings financial benefits.[/quote][b]Financial benefits to the 20% of men that marry-up. Of course this is before the biatch quits her job and divorces your horny ass.[/b]

[quote]4. Marriage means more sex.[/quote][b]I'm not fucking any 60+ year-old woman, even if she is my wife!!!! It's the quality and not the quantity. Nevertheless, my 70+ year-old pensioner friend splits his year between the DR and Southeast Asia and has been able to partake in both quality and quantity of the 20-year-old girls at $25 a pop.[/b]

[quote]3. Marriage means better sex.[/quote][b]Says who??[/b]

[quote]2. Married people are happier.[/quote][b]Because they don't know any better. Ignorance is bliss.[/b]

[quote]1. Marriage makes you a better man.[/quote][b]Who gives a shit!!![/b]

-Helpmann :)

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10. Married makes you live longer.

[QUOTE=Helpmann][b]I want to see some statistics on the longevity of formerly married men (divorced or widowed).[/b][/QUOTE]
The claim being made is that MARRIED men live longer.
Divorce tends to lead to deteriorating health in men,
however, this appears to be correctable if they remarry.

According to the RAND Centre for the Study of Aging:
[url]www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB5018/index1.html[/url]

[b]Effects of Marital Status on Health[/b]

"Analysis of whether marriage directly affects health produces mixed results. Comparisons of currently married and never-married men show that while the former are generally healthier, this difference cannot be attributed simply to the protective effects of marriage. The self-reported health status of men shows that, by itself, becoming married for the first time does not lead to any noticeable benefits. Comparisons of older married and divorced men, however, show that the relative health levels of the latter drop significantly as they age. By the time divorced men reach age 50, they can expect their health to deteriorate much faster than the health of those who are married. For this group of older divorced men, remarriage offers a direct health benefit, bringing their health up to the level of men who have remained married.

"The health benefits obtained by men who stay married or remarry stem from a variety of related factors, including care in times of illness, improved nutrition, and a home atmosphere that reduces stress and stress-related illnesses, encourages healthy behaviors, and discourages unhealthy ones such as smoking and excessive drinking. Influences of this type tend to enhance a man's immediate health status and may often improve his chances for a longer life. "

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6. Marriage makes you more attractive.

[b]Give me a break!! Women love saps and suckers.[/b]

So you are agreeing with the statement?

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4. Marriage means more sex.

[b]I'm not fucking any 60+ year-old woman, even if she is my wife!!!! It's the quality and not the quantity.[/b]

Again, the claim is about the quantity - "MORE SEX" is a quantative comparison. Your point is different.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Quote:
10. Married makes you live longer.

The claim being made is that MARRIED men live longer.
Divorce tends to lead to deteriorating health in men,
however, this appears to be correctable if they remarry...[/QUOTE]The best of luck to you and your wife. Nevertheless, I hope that you live in a "biatch slapping" country, have a pre-nup, and have sons.

BTW, sometimes you have to read between the lines.

ROTFLMAO,
Helpmann :)

Marriage is not always bad, terrible, horrible and I still say men are just as much at fault as women are. What I mean is most of these clues about a woman's intentions and personality are always on display, weather you choose to see them or not is the key.

This constant argument over paying for sex(p4p) up front or as part of a payment plan(marriage) is ridiculous. If you marry the right woman, sex is never an issue as GT says, it still 2-3 times a week if not slightly more. I have always maintained that if you plan correctly you can avoid many of the typical problems that crop up in a marriage.

I say eliminate the top things that causes marriages to fail and you shouldn't have any problems.

I didn't have any problems with Nicole (my last ex) I could have married her, I didn't find her sexy enough, I forced her to loose weight. I just wondered if I could find somebody (better looking, thin, sexy) that I could plug into the process with little to no modifications and run with it.

Some incorrect judgments here and there and I remain single, somewhat by choice other by circumstance.

In this market I am punished for not doing what appears to be "the right thing". That would be achieving [i]success[/i] that right now is being ripped to apart by this economic downturn. How come the demand from 18-35 is that your a professional career man but for women 35-50 is just have a job and be able to pay your half?

Is that because women see the writing on the wall at 35?

Now to add special sauce to it -

Okay let's say I accept I have to take on:

Women over 30 (respecting the 2-10 year max age difference, I'm 39 currently)

Here's my problem with that:

A majority of those women have at least 1 child from a previous relationship. Experience tells me this is a route I am least comfortable with and I have tried in vain to accept that role only to be rejected by the best looking women (that I attract) and accepted by mediocre women. If I wanted mediocre I would have married Nicole!

Given that most women in Western Culture will not accept more than 2-5 age difference even fewer accept 5-10 years difference.

My choices then become HARD, FEW and EXPENSIVE.

But I basically have NO choice but to look overseas, to spend money but how do I get the best value for my money?

I spent $5,000 two summers ago running around Europe. I had a great time, I could have had a better time if I had more information, had listen to the more of the great advice from this forum. As I stands, the money is gone, yet I spend more nights alone that I would like and only have sex if I pay for it.

Numb nuts like TG would suggest I go find a couple of fat broads to bang and to otherwise when dealt lemons make lemonade.

If I wasn't an enlighten soul, I couldn't argue but I believe that I am and GDI I want to marry a fairly attractive woman, have couple of great kids and move on to the next set of goals, issues, problems in my life. This is something that has dogged me for years. I believe you only compromise on the tiny details and not the bigger issues. This has prevented me from pursuing fat women, women with children (though I fall into that trap every so often) and hopelessly ugly women. I am trying of find the middle ground but my age is really become a factor.

So the choices are -

I say Eastern Europe as many of you may not know there is a problem with skin tone not only in America, but South America as well and its not talked about too often here, but its there. I don't believe I have access to the best looking Colombian/Brazilian women and it goes down hill from there honestly quickly.

While there is Xenophobia in Eastern Europe, its not based on 200 years of society shifting behavior and legacies like it is for The United States.

It has more Nationalist bent to it.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]So the choices are -

I say Eastern Europe as many of you may not know there is a problem with skin tone not only in America, but South America as well and its not talked about too often here, but its there. I don't believe I have access to the best looking Colombian/Brazilian women and it goes down hill from there honestly quickly.

While there is Xenophobia in Eastern Europe, its not based on 200 years of society shifting behavior and legacies like it is for The United States.

It has more Nationalist bent to it.[/QUOTE]DJ,

I guess the choices are not bad. But when are you gonna do that? I've been looking at this discussion for a few years, it seems like you are still there. when are you planning to go back to Europe? BTW, it is not as it used to be 10 years ago. I now go much farther - Central Asia. Europe is kinda fucked up compared to what it used to be, in my opinion.

"I'm not fucking any 60+ year-old woman, even if she is my wife! "

Helpman, that is just too funny. Best line I've read in a long time.

I'm still laughing!

Thanks

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]

Women over 30 (respecting the 2-10 year max age difference, I'm 39 currently)

I am trying of find the middle ground but my age is really become a factor. [/QUOTE]Dude, I wish I was 39!

I like you because anyone who was a friend of rob's just HAS to be a (at the very least) a good guy.

I am 53. And my beautiful Ukrainian wife is 26. (here in the midwest I am accustomed to guys in almost any setting looking at her and just asking "are you a model? ").

I cannot go into too much personal detail here but let me just say this. I am trying to set myself up so I can live in ukraine full time. As long as I provide for my wife and am a good husband in the sense of taking care of all the things a husband should take care of, I can basically see whoever I want. And do whoever I want. And none of the women will be over 30 or so. Most are in their early and mid 20's.

Looks are subjective and relative but I stay in shape and am not overweight. If you have a personality and half of a brain. If you can handle women and are confident, this is what women in these other countries are looking for.

I will live like this until the day I die or can no longer function.

If something changes and she tries to forbid my doing basically whatever I want, I'll divorce her if necessary but we will remain friends and most likely business partners. She accepts the way I am.

I do not have a double standard so I do not expect her fidelity to me. She may or may not be interested in anyone else as long as I'm taking care of her. If another woman is taking me away from her in that department I do not blame her if she develops something more than a friendship with one of her countless wannabes.

I think this is something along the lines that BC referred to earlier. Evolving through self actualization, not living a lie. Awareness of others, other cultures and the world in general. I want to visit Columbia and maybe a few other SA countries and reading BC's post remind me to do so after I get situated in Ukraine. I have been to Mexico, Peru and Trinidad but for other reasons.

A week after I graduated from HS, I was on a jet to Holland and spent the summer in Europe. That opened my small midwestern mind onto the rest of the world. One huge problem for most Americans is that most have never left the USA, some have never left the state they live in.

This is one reason these cries of "socialism" and all that other complete BS is so prevalent in our F'ed up political situation. They do not even know what socialism is. All it has to be is "european" so it is automatically "bad" or certainly not as good or "great" as it is in the USA.

How can the average American know? They haven't stepped foot out of the USA so they have no understanding whatsoever of other people, other cultures, other countries, other vastly different religions. Other ways of getting things done. When I travel through germany or holland and see how near perfect so many things are, I am thinking, why can't we do this in america?

Most Americans think we are the center of the universe and the world revolves around us. We think we have better everything and we do not.

Lot at our health care mess. Laughing stock of the rest of the industrialized nations and we think we have the "best". Because we (most of us) do not know any better! Nor cared to look.

America is uniquely F'ed up. But at the same time I agree with TG (believe it or not). I am glad I was born here in the USA, I am glad to be an american and I would not have it any other way. And one reason why is I can easily go to just about any other country in the world and live. LOL

Back to my point. DJ: go to the country of your choice, or check out several. Go the eastern europe if you prefer the women there. Or go to Asia or South America. Stay long enough to see and live like they do and not be the ugly american tourist. Learn the language unless it is near impossible. If I was 39? LOL. Wow. I wish! But I am living like I am 39 and will continue to live like I am 39. You just have to leave the sex prison to do it.

Look at typical american marriages. Rampant infidelity. People living a facade of a life to the point they are believing their own lies and actually believe they are the people they are.pretending-to B. Going to church so everyone things they are living a moral life. Completely forgetting the night before when they were F'ing someone they "shouldn't" have been F'ing. I have a divorced male friend who claims an 8 to 1 ratio of married to single women he is having regularly occurring affairs with. Their husbands have no clue.

Is that any kind of a life to live?

That's part of the problem... human beings just aren't MEANT to bond together for life. We aren't designed that way... it's blatantly obvious but it's like the Emperor's new clothes.....

The problem with having your stereotypical woman who cooks cleans and cares for the kids is that THAT WOMAN DOESNT EXIST IN REAL LIFE! What happens in actual real life situations is one or all of the following: extreme crazy jealousy, scheming and plotting behind the husband's back... having affairs, neurotic or histrionic behavior. No human being wants to be a slave and will just passively let it happen to them!!! That includes especially the female half of the species.

Besides which any man with half a brain gets bored of the same woman after a while. It could take two weeks or it could take several years, but it's not IF it will happen, it's WHEN... Women have the same thing happen to them, the only difference is they always look for some external justification to rationalize their desire for variety when it's really all about BIOLOGY!

I don't know what the best way to raise kids is... but I do NOT think the "traditional" family is necessarily the best option.... it seems to me to be just as lousy as any other platform.... in my observation the "traditional" family is just as TOXIC an environment for children as any other...

Hi guys, interesting points on this thread. Something I've always wondered, which maybe someone from another country could help me with, is there a huge movement and market for "pick up artists" or whateverthehell things in other countries?

Like in america there are just all sorts of books, tv shows, etc, I'm not sure if I'm supposed to post links but stuff like this...
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Game-Penetrating-Secret-Society-Artists/dp/0060554738/ref=sr_1_5/179-4548034-9654124?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267323312&sr=8-5[/url]

I've been to maybe 20 countries, but never for longer than 2 months... can someone tell if their home country has this same thing? Is it the whole world or uniquely American?

Thanks a lot in advance, I really appreciate it.

I find the American female accent to be extremely annoying, they butcher the English language even worse than Aussie women and Aussie women are trash. Kim Kardashian is an American female to the highest degree, even though she has an Arabic Middle Eastern appearance since her father was Armenian she is a typical greedy ***** type American female, her sisters are equally bad. Her father must be a sad soul wherever he is since he died. I thought Paris Hilton was bad but Kardashian is even worse a shameless *****, partying on her father's grave.

4. Marriage means more sex.
- yes, true for most. Even in the low points of my marriage I was getting more sex than most guys here, who are getting laid mostly when they travel. And now I get it 2 or 3 times a week, 52 weeks a year. A lot less than I want, but a lot more than most single mongers.

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Not sure about this. If prostitution is an option in your country then the financial freedom from being single should enable you to get laid 2 or 3 times a week and some very exciting vacations! More importanly, with a VARIETY OF GOOD LOOKING YOUNG WOMEN.

No expensive wedding, no expensive divorces, no expensive shopping habbits for the wife and need to provide for the stay home full time mom frees up plenty of cash.

If you are lucky enough to have a nice wife who wants sex 2 or 3 times a week well that can be good. But after the marriage has gone 10 plus years and she no doubt has stacked on some weight well are you really going to feel like banging the same woman 2 or 3 times a week?

Not arguing for or against marriage in this post just saying that the single monger over the long haul will enjoy a far better sex life IMHO. Have plenty of married friends who get little to no action, with their wives adding so much weight they are probably happy with this situation.

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I agree with much you say, but it is too much to blame or suggest the women are at fault for playing with a married man. It is the married person's problem to deal with the morality of their situation. If it doesn't bother the married half, then I don't see why the unmarried party should worry (or carry any responsibility). Tiger is a grown man, he can make his own decision about whether to philander or not.
[/QUOTE]
Not to beat a dead horse (topic), but I saw this joke in my inbox and was reminded about this thread. Thought you guys might get a chuckle out of it.

>WHAT TIGER SHOULD HAVE SAID IN THE PRESS CONFERENCE
> To my wife, I'm sorry. I fucked up but I'm not changing so you'll
> either need to put up with this shit or I'll stroke you the check I
> agreed to in the pre-nup....sorry.
>
> To my fans, get over it. Where I stick my dick is none of your
> business. If you care....sorry. I don't need any of you in order to
> make 10 times in one year what you'll make in a career. I promise
> to continue to hit 4 irons from 210 yards to within 10' of the hole
> and drop puts that you couldn't read in a million years. If that's
> not good enough for you, go watch tennis.
>
> To the media. You cocksuckers are the only ones more two-faced than
> I am. Kissing my ass for all those years and then ripping me every
> chance you've had since Thanksgiving. Fuck all ya'll. I'm glad I
> don't have to take the time to sit and answer the same bullshit
> questions over and over again.
>
> To the other golfers. Kiss my cablanasian ass! You motherfuckers
> come out ripping me when I've put more fucking money in your
> pockets than you could count. You think anyone's been paying to see
> Jesper-fucking-Parnavik? Give me a fucking break. I'm almost
> tempted to give up golf just to punish you guys but I think it's
> going to be more fun to practice for the next few weeks and get
> back to making you all my bitches.
>
> That's all I got today folks.....see ya atAugusta!....Oh and
> Bambi, if you're listening I'll meet you at the Ritz in 45 minutes.

tiger is still getting pussy, and he only apologized to be nice to his mother who was seated in the front row during his speech. i think this case shows how completely fucked up and hypocritcal america is towards sex, the sad thing is that my country keeps absorbing bad american trends, and prudiness has increased in australia substantially.

[QUOTE=Ozzie Trader]

[Quote=GT]4. Marriage means more sex.
- yes, true for most. Even in the low points of my marriage I was getting more sex than most guys here, who are getting laid mostly when they travel. And now I get it 2 or 3 times a week, 52 weeks a year. A lot less than I want, but a lot more than most single mongers.
[/QUOTE]
Not sure about this. If prostitution is an option in your country then the financial freedom from being single should enable you to get laid 2 or 3 times a week and some very exciting vacations! More importanly, with a VARIETY OF GOOD LOOKING YOUNG WOMEN.

No expensive wedding, no expensive divorces, no expensive shopping habbits for the wife and need to provide for the stay home full time mom frees up plenty of cash.

If you are lucky enough to have a nice wife who wants sex 2 or 3 times a week well that can be good. But after the marriage has gone 10 plus years and she no doubt has stacked on some weight well are you really going to feel like banging the same woman 2 or 3 times a week?

Not arguing for or against marriage in this post just saying that the single monger over the long haul will enjoy a far better sex life IMHO. Have plenty of married friends who get little to no action, with their wives adding so much weight they are probably happy with this situation.[/QUOTE]
Well, if they are not getting any action, they certainly need another solution.
They should start by becoming mongers, which opens your eyes to a world of possibilities,
and makes you realize that you are still a valuable commodity in lots of mating markets.

It changed my outlook and thus my bargaining ability and tactics.
Kicking my wife out of bed one night for being "too tired" too often turned the tide and made her realize that she was replacable if she failed to perform.

But to get to your other point - buying sex a la carte versus buying the cow, sure that is a valid option.
Personally I have never had great success with Canadian/American P4P but maybe if I did it more I would find some gems.
Mostly it is a lot of money for poor performance and prospect of serious hassles - especially in the US.

Another option, which I have dabbled in but not really embraced, is domestic sponsorship. That is to say making a regular arrangement with a non-pro for support in exchange for regular sex. It is surprisingly easy to find a college girl or low-paid worker who is willing to experiment with P4P. Easier still if you can dress it up as something else, like providing her apartment, or sponsoring an overseas student to come to your local U, or nice trips to sunny climes. Unfortunately you can no longer do this by offerng employment because the girl could turn on you at any time and charge you with sexual harrassment.

If I was suddenly single again I would get a house with self-contained apartment and make it available to a financially-challenged young lovely in exchange for frequent visiting rights. The girls would move on after college, or when they found a regular BF and you just restock with fresh flesh. Based on the tentative forays I have made in this field, I think this is quite feasible. Has anyone actually had an on-going sponsorship like this (at home)?

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]Well, if they are not getting any action, they certainly need another solution.

They should start by becoming mongers, which opens your eyes to a world of possibilities, and makes you realize that you are still a valuable commodity in lots of mating markets.

It changed my outlook and thus my bargaining ability and tactics.

Kicking my wife out of bed one night for being "too tired" too often turned the tide and made her realize that she was replacable if she failed to perform.

But to get to your other point. Buying sex a la carte versus buying the cow, sure that is a valid option. Personally I have never had great success with Canadian / American P4P but maybe if I did it more I would find some gems. Mostly it is a lot of money for poor performance and prospect of serious hassles. Especially in the US.

Another option, which I have dabbled in but not really embraced, is domestic sponsorship. That is to say making a regular arrangement with a non-pro for support in exchange for regular sex. It is surprisingly easy to find a college girl or low-paid worker who is willing to experiment with P4P. Easier still if you can dress it up as something else, like providing her apartment, or sponsoring an overseas student to come to your local U, or nice trips to sunny climes. Unfortunately you can no longer do this by offerng employment because the girl could turn on you at any time and charge you with sexual harrassment.

If I was suddenly single again I would get a house with self-contained apartment and make it available to a financially-challenged young lovely in exchange for frequent visiting rights. The girls would move on after college, or when they found a regular BF and you just restock with fresh flesh. Based on the tentative forays I have made in this field, I think this is quite feasible. Has anyone actually had an on-going sponsorship like this (at home)?[/QUOTE]I have done it, it worked out o. K. But I prefer mongering in South America and the DR to having a young american girl at my becking call, they are just too immature for their age compared to latin american women. If being a sugardaddy is your thing check out seekingarrangement.com

[quote=australiasucks]tiger is still getting pussy, and he only apologized to be nice to his mother who was seated in the front row during his speech. i think this case shows how completely fucked up and hypocritcal america is towards sex, the sad thing is that my country keeps absorbing bad american trends, and prudiness has increased in australia substantially.[/quote]
aussie - well, i find it difficult to argue with you on that one mate. amongst other things we do seem to have mastered the art of exporting our bullshit uptight prudish values toward sex to the rest of the world. and for that you have my sincerest apologies. it saddens me to know that australia is embracing our hypocritical values. that's one thing you guys do not need.

i am reading a great book at the moment about the early portuguese explorers in brazil and what they found when they arrived. the local natives ran around naked and free in a veritable paradise and along with pillaging their resources (as if that were not bad enough) they imposed the catholic sense of european morality on the natives and fucked their mind up with so much bullshit. seems like america is trying to do the very same thing today.

[quote=jake993]aussie - well, i find it difficult to argue with you on that one mate. amongst other things we do seem to have mastered the art of exporting our bullshit uptight prudish values toward sex to the rest of the world. and for that you have my sincerest apologies. it saddens me to know that australia is embracing our hypocritical values. that's one thing you guys do not need.

i am reading a great book at the moment about the early portuguese explorers in brazil and what they found when they arrived. the local natives ran around naked and free in a veritable paradise and along with pillaging their resources (as if that were not bad enough) they imposed the catholic sense of european morality on the natives and fucked their mind up with so much bullshit. seems like america is trying to do the very same thing today.[/quote]

he was only apologizing because he does not want to lose his sponsorship $$$$, he was in danger of losing that, he lost some, but trying to restore his clean image so the sponsorship money will come back. i was watching the speech on the news, and a group of women outside had placards saying "tiger i want to be your mistress". i knew from the moment he became a star that he was getting pussy, any man in his position would do the same. a friend of mine once thought tiger was a homosexual, that is obviously not the case.

his wife did some pornographic work in sweden, well it would qualify as pornography in the us, she was completely nude and her squatting with her vagina in full view.

most english speaking countries have a stick up their ass when it comes to sexuality. in australia, if i bring a camcorder or any recording device to a beach, if a woman even accuses me of recording her, i will be arrested. look at canada, the french province of quebec is home to a very sensual city called montreal but the anglo provinces are very prudish. the uk is very buttoned down compared to continental europe.

Gentleman: While being a Sugar Daddy does sound like a good idea in theory, in today's litigious world I wouldn't do it. Say after supporting her (i.e. apartment/groceries/use of a car) for two years, she finds a boyfriend and cuts off the sex with you, and you shut off the gravy train. I'd fear a palimony lawsuit. Her American friends/boyfriend would be only too happy to school her and find a lawyer who specializes in such cases.

As for P4P in the US, I gave up on that years ago. Between the overpriced poor quality service and fear of the social/career/legal consequences, it's just not worth it. I only monger in foreign countries, or just find freebies abroad. Easy with no drama, complications, or hidden costs.

Re Tiger: I heard a commentator on the radio (a guy, no surprise) say that he owes an apology to the "women whom he took advantage of". WTF? They're victims? These calculating gold-diggers and attention w***** who knew full well he is married with kids?! Attitudes towards and about AM are a bizarre mixture of old-fashioned chivalry (which I rather like actually) and men-hating/blaming dykeopathic feminism.

[QUOTE=Australiasucks] Look at Canada, the French province of Quebec is home to a very sensual city called Montreal but the Anglo provinces are very prudish. The UK is very buttoned down compared to continental Europe.[/QUOTE] Tell me about it. I grew up in Vancouver and thought it was normal to have a stick up yer ass until I started dating a girl from Montreal. Did I EVER have my eyes opened. Then moved to Rio de Janeiro in the early 90's and realized that even the Quebecois girls were prudes compared to the Brasileiras. It's all relative man.

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]DJ,

I guess the choices are not bad. But when are you gonna do that? I've been looking at this discussion for a few years, it seems like you are still there. when are you planning to go back to Europe? BTW, it is not as it used to be 10 years ago. I now go much farther - Central Asia. Europe is kinda fucked up compared to what it used to be, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Spring 2011.

Europe is not a utopia for sure, got its own set of issues and persistent ethnic problems (see Serbia). Its still in better economic shape than the mighty US of A save for Spain, Greece and Portugal that might drag down the EU but I doubt it.

The point is that Western European still treat me best when compared directly to American Women. Eastern Europe affords an increase in age difference where my cut off moves down from 29 to about 24 and yes 5 years makes a difference. Most Slavic women in their mid 20's are unmarried and childless, all positives.

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Spring 2011.

Europe is not a utopia for sure, got its own set of issues and persistent ethnic problems (see Serbia). Its still in better economic shape than the mighty US of A save for Spain, Greece and Portugal that might drag down the EU but I doubt it.

The point is that Western European still treat me best when compared directly to American Women. Eastern Europe affords an increase in age difference where my cut off moves down from 29 to about 24 and yes 5 years makes a difference. Most Slavic women in their mid 20's are unmarried and childless, all positives.[/QUOTE]

American women are easily the most fucked up women on Earth, Austalians, British, and Canadian Anglos come close. I think the only saving grace for Australia is the large Asian influx and a good number of European migrants. Europe might not be what it was many years ago but its still better than the English speaking world.

The US economy is totally fucked right now and compared to past economic slowdowns, other developed nations are suffering less. Australia's official unemployment is 5 percent not the near 10 percent America is suffering, and also when you lose a job in Australia the public welfare people give you money for a much longer period of time than in the US where you need to pick up a paper cup and start begging. The more developed EU countries have good social welfare systems so that unemployed will survive, because of the financial crisis in the US, crime has risen sharply. I am sure there are plenty of honest Americans who just want to make a living and survive but they are suffering for the crimes committed by their elites.

I do not think all American women are bad its mostly the more affluent ones that are evil. I went to the US last year and visibly pregnant girl was begging for change, I was in complete shock to see this in what is supposed to be the world's most affluent country.

[QUOTE=Australiasucks]American women are easily the most fucked up women on Earth, Austalians, British, and Canadian Anglos come close. I think the only saving grace for Australia is the large Asian influx and a good number of European migrants. Europe might not be what it was many years ago but its still better than the English speaking world.

The US economy is totally fucked right now and compared to past economic slowdowns, other developed nations are suffering less. Australia's official unemployment is 5 percent not the near 10 percent America is suffering, and also when you lose a job in Australia the public welfare people give you money for a much longer period of time than in the US where you need to pick up a paper cup and start begging. The more developed EU countries have good social welfare systems so that unemployed will survive, because of the financial crisis in the US, crime has risen sharply. I am sure there are plenty of honest Americans who just want to make a living and survive but they are suffering for the crimes committed by their elites.

I do not think all American women are bad its mostly the more affluent ones that are evil. I went to the US last year and visibly pregnant girl was begging for change, I was in complete shock to see this in what is supposed to be the world's most affluent country.[/QUOTE]The USA is a JOKE. It is a failing experiment. The elites are destroying us from within.

And, yes, american women of all classes are the WORST the industrialized nations have to offer.

[QUOTE=Australiasucks]American women are easily the most fucked up women on Earth, Austalians, British, and Canadian Anglos come close. I think the only saving grace for Australia is the large Asian influx and a good number of European migrants. Europe might not be what it was many years ago but its still better than the English speaking world.

The US economy is totally fucked right now and compared to past economic slowdowns, other developed nations are suffering less. Australia's official unemployment is 5 percent not the near 10 percent America is suffering, and also when you lose a job in Australia the public welfare people give you money for a much longer period of time than in the US where you need to pick up a paper cup and start begging. The more developed EU countries have good social welfare systems so that unemployed will survive, because of the financial crisis in the US, crime has risen sharply. I am sure there are plenty of honest Americans who just want to make a living and survive but they are suffering for the crimes committed by their elites.

I do not think all American women are bad its mostly the more affluent ones that are evil. I went to the US last year and visibly pregnant girl was begging for change, I was in complete shock to see this in what is supposed to be the world's most affluent country.[/QUOTE]

Oh don't get me started this is not the Politics forum...

Social Welfare is only a hot button with the affluent and their guard dogs the Conservative minded workers who don't know any better and could easily find themselves out of a job and on public assistance.

Nobody ever tells these morons that the national savings rate is near ZERO for the last decade or so.

Enough about that though...

I just basically resent the fact that most Western Women only want to date men that can either afford them to drop career goals or allow them not to work at all and stay home. With so many women that loathe cooking and taking care of their man, why stiff through the bs to get to somebody that might do what traditionally a wife has done in Western Culture.

The only thing that has changed is that work hours have become flexible so demands and responsibilities can be shared by both. So I believe the way to secure a relationship is shared responsibility. But it has to start with a person WILLING to buy into that roll of shared responsibility hook-line and sinker.

With divorce rates over 50% and seemingly a population of Single Mothers and Divorcee' that have learned the wrong lessons from these previously shaming tactics/lifestyle decisions figured its JUST FINE AND DANDY to be in these situations and that YOU the men of the United States must adjust to this new reality.

WTF?

We have started down a path that is all too interesting in America. Because of the Riech Wing's insistence on a permanent servitude of Brown immigrants we have ushered in through this the savior of this country at the expense of (more than likely a good thing long term) of the dominance of the Caucasian population (in numbers). By 2040 it is expected that Latinos will out number Caucasians in America (currently 56% of the population is Caucasian). Unlike most of Europe that suffering with low birth rates because they started this trend of waiting later and later in life to get married and have children, so many are deciding by age 40 its too late to have a family if they haven't found a partner.

Well I haven't given up hope, but time is running out and its time to step it up another notch. I'm a nice guy I shouldn't be punished for deciding to be filthy rich was not for me. I don't play the lottery, I don't go to Las Vegas to gamble, sure I would like to make more money but not at the expense of my free time, nor do I like the feeling of running in place (stagnant wages).

It would be much cheaper initially bed some Single Mother someplace, talk softly into her ears, tell her all kinds of stuff and increase my responsibility two fold overnight. I'm not comfortable with that, again we come back to Shared Responsibility theme I'm on. Most Single Mothers are struggling (which is funny going back to your Social Welfare point) in other countries do a much better job with extended PAID maternity leave and better sex education, you have fewer Single Mothers overall, but at least they aren't some struggling mess like women here in America and the advocates for "Cowboy Capitalism" only care about the fetus...

Trust me if I can keep this adventure under $5,000 I'll be grinning from ear to ear.

I opened this forum expecting to read something different than what was there. talking about how they have a hard time because of the economy and single mothers with there children being draged around.
Lets talk about how they look. Here in the U.S. where I live sweat pants are latest style. Of course something written on their ass like juicy or tasty just adds to the intrigue. There ass is usually wider that 2 axe handles. A muffin top is a must if you observe from behind. If you are fortunite enough to look them in the face you see a stomach that is sticking out farther than their tits. Their hair looks like the rats just left or at the best it is wet and yet uncombed. No make up or lipstick as you should love them for who they are. They are in their fuck me shoes which are really dark grey tennis shoes that look like they should be washed soon. Maybe they are afraid because they might fall apart if they do wash them. I shouldn't say all the makeup is missing . Sometimes they glob a red spot on their cheeks to add color to the saltine cracker appearance. Over weight is assumed
Men are visual creatures and of course this really get the juices flowing. I realize this might be a local thing but it seems to me in my travels that is fairly common. Maybe the southern states are better as I left there years ago. But I doubt it.
So my opinion of american woman is leave them alone. I won't talk about attitude becuse that is a different subject. Just leave it that visually they look like s***.

Mackin, there still are some attractive women in North America, but they are few and far between. And they know it, and they are very much on the defensive about it.

I'm thinking of my last trip to Brazil, a couple of years ago (dammit!) I spent a couple of weeks with my niece and her family near Curitiba, and despite that putting me in the "no-mongering zone," I enjoyed the view of so many fine-looking meninas throughout the city. Those of you who have been there know how a brasileira walks "like a samba."

Then I flew home, and arrived in Miami at 5 AM. After clearing Customs, I headed up to the concourse, got something closer to "a real breakfast," and settled in to wait for my connection. And watched the AWs walk by - striding as though they relished the feeling of the ground quaking beneath their feet. Even the attractive ones could have been carrying signs: "Look at me wrong and I'll *****-slap you while I'm yelling for a cop!"

Here's your 'equality,' female persons, and a rubber banana you can use to keep yourself satisfied. I would much rather look for love in a land where the women [i]are[/i] women and [i]enjoy[/i] it that way.

that's exactly what i feel and think upon arriving home from east asia, south america, eastern europe, etc. average girls in these countries would be considered total knockouts in the us, yet for the most part they are without the toxic attitudes so suffocatingly prevalent in aw. that was an all-too-accurate scene you describe: taking pride in making the earth shake, or if on the rare occasion they are half-way attractive they are ready to cry [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]/sexual harassment/some-other-bogus-"sex-crime" in response to the faintest smile or innocuous greeting.

[QUOTE=Westy]Mackin, there still are some attractive women in North America, but they are few and far between. And they know it, and they are very much on the defensive about it.

I'm thinking of my last trip to Brazil, a couple of years ago (dammit!) I spent a couple of weeks with my niece and her family near Curitiba, and despite that putting me in the "no-mongering zone," I enjoyed the view of so many fine-looking meninas throughout the city. Those of you who have been there know how a brasileira walks "like a samba."

Then I flew home, and arrived in Miami at 5 AM. After clearing Customs, I headed up to the concourse, got something closer to "a real breakfast," and settled in to wait for my connection. And watched the AWs walk by - striding as though they relished the feeling of the ground quaking beneath their feet. Even the attractive ones could have been carrying signs: "Look at me wrong and I'll *****-slap you while I'm yelling for a cop!"

Here's your 'equality,' female persons, and a rubber banana you can use to keep yourself satisfied. I would much rather look for love in a land where the women [i]are[/i] women and [i]enjoy[/i] it that way.[/QUOTE]


I was walking down the street the other day in Manhattan and had the luxury of a Fran Drescher voice type woman yell "pervert" right in my direction. Everybody looked, after all this is NYC mid-afternoon. An English looking young guy stops and seemed not at all flustered and yells back "don't flatter yourself" at which she said "You turned your Head." Now this woman was at a news stand, had a hat on, frumpy outfit, and appeared totally sexless.

I'm still wondering what it was about, probably a big bunch of nothing with the campaign here against street harassers towards woman. Every guy now has a bullseye on his back. I know another dude that got accused of being a street harasser after a woman from his morning job walked through his second jobs building, he then acknowledged her where she then snarled something about him harassing her.

[QUOTE=Westy]Then I flew home, and arrived in Miami at 5 AM. After clearing Customs, I headed up to the concourse, got something closer to "a real breakfast, " and settled in to wait for my connection. And watched the AWs walk by. Striding as though they relished the feeling of the ground quaking beneath their feet. Even the attractive ones could have been carrying signs: "Look at me wrong and I'll *****-slap you while I'm yelling for a cop! "[/QUOTE]Actually I believe Miami is not that bad compared to many other USA places. There are still good looking women such as latinas and eastern europeans in Florida.

I have harrassed AW several times, they never called the cops, although few times they got pissed off and gave nasty looks.

[quote=dj fourmoney]spring 2011.

europe is not a utopia for sure, got its own set of issues and persistent ethnic problems (see serbia). its still in better economic shape than the mighty us of a save for spain, greece and portugal that might drag down the eu but i doubt it.

the point is that western european still treat me best when compared directly to american women. eastern europe affords an increase in age difference where my cut off moves down from 29 to about 24 and yes 5 years makes a difference. most slavic women in their mid 20's are unmarried and childless, all positives.[/quote]
what do you read? the usa compared to europe? you might want to start doing some looking into oecd per capita statistics. (as in, something that you could use to quantify your argument.) the thing is: financial crises are always very messy and go on for a long time. i am sure that there was at least one person who knew that it was not a good idea to let fdic create the moral hazard situation it did-- but they were not listened to until the collapse actually occurred. there are probably level headed people here in china suggesting that any number of unsustainable chinese policies should be changed (currency pegs, for one, are really hard to maintain and ultimately all fail-- the use of banking funds to finance state projects a la japan is another thing that is really hard to clean up when it busts).

but again, if you read some things like the wall street journal or the economist (or even the insufferable, left-wing new york times: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/15/opinion/15krugman.html[/url]), or msn money ([url]http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/investing/contrarianchronicles/us-will-suffer-its-own-greek-crisis.aspx[/url]) you can see that the mess in spain and greece is actually even worse than the worst mess in the united states (california and michigan).

why does everyone in america/ australia have something to say without reading even so much as a single article from usa today (=written so that an 8 or 9 year old could pick it up and read it)? i admit, the msn is getting a bit complicated. someone might need to be 12 years old to read that.

sorry, but everywhere around the world, the wealthiest men will take the largest number of young, attractive women. and i suspect you will find that to be the same in eastern europe as in the states. if, in the realm of the "what-if?" some man says to a woman "i live at home and am 40," i don't think that man (whoever he is) will be at the top of her preference ranking list. (i had a cousin that married a korean wife and made the mistake of bringing her to his mother's house to live and the marriage was finished within 2 months as a result thereof). it's pretty safe to say that men who are older and live with their mother are not at the top of any woman's list of choices. look here in china. there are so many men from taiwan and hong kong who have second wives here (because they can afford them). and even the ugliest woman in china could have her pick of men (sex imbalance). but i have seen more than once a woman who chooses to be a side dish to a man who is already married with a child rather than just get some average local working square (to whom she could dictate the terms of the relationship, but not have as much money). it works that way all around the world.

what else? the conservatives just may have a point. this mess that greece got into was someone trying to buy votes from someone with someone else's tax money. the us is trying to worrying about paying for everyone's health care, but with whose money? is it possible that after the debt is monetized (which happens all the time when governments take on obligations they can't afford), working people will actually be worse off? (if you are wealthy, you can afford to diversify or put your money into gold certificates and ride those through long periods of inflation.)

what else? you talked about the us savings rate. we could have a really high savings rate like russia and japan-- and for the same reason (economic stagnation). when chinese people save money (and they do save a lot of it), then it shows up as purchases of us t-bills. if the us saved more than it invested, then were would the excess go? african t bills? venezuelan t bills? venezuelan bolivars?

but honestly: there are so many sour grapes here. if you were a guy that was inherently attractive to women, you would be that way *anywhere* and rather than worry about women that don't want you (or why) you would have your face pressed into vagina. there are how many american men in the country? do you really mean to tell me that *that* few are getting vagina? come on.......

[QUOTE=Robert1110]The USA is a JOKE. It is a failing experiment. The elites are destroying us from within.

And, yes, american women of all classes are the WORST the industrialized nations have to offer.[/QUOTE]Would you like to live in someplace different? Venezuela? Zimbabwe? South Africa? Haiti? The Chinese just might have the best idea (one of the very few that they've had in the last 23 centuries since the first emperor): It *just might* be the best idea to not let the citizens vote. That way, the government can go about the business of getting things done without having to try to make a case to people who don't really have an idea of how things work or why (and who don't want to find out why). The Politburo here does things in a very interesting (and possibly superior) way: They just go about the business of doing things with [i]minimal discussion[/i]. Those guys are the elites....and they are getting things done as a result of not having to talk/ rationalize/ explain to the hoi polloi.

[QUOTE=Robert1110]The USA is a JOKE. It is a failing experiment. The elites are destroying us from within.

And, yes, american women of all classes are the WORST the industrialized nations have to offer.[/QUOTE]

I already know that as bad as Australia is, when I see America, I become more thankful for being an Aussie. Since I live in a naturally warm country, heating bills are not as big of an issue. I heard the winter there is freezing. So much for global warming.

The US is shit, I agree, I merely had some pity for a pregnant black woman who was begging for change on the street, some people say Australia is bad to its Aboriginals but its obvious even under an Obama America that racism and class are still an issue.

It is true that in virtually every country the "best" women go to those with money but outside the English speaking nations this is not exactly true. Ever been to Eastern Europe? South America?? Asia?? Plenty of beautiful women to go around and you even see jobless drunks with some quite exquisite women.

P4P is very much a no no in America, huge issues with law enforcement, criminals, and a very overpriced service.

Yep, things are so damn bad in America, I can't think of a single good reason for owning a Dick. So I'm now auctioning off my dick to the highest bidder. It has been well looked after, not much mileage and it's looking for a nice warm Internationally sourced pussy to hang out for the rest of it's years.

[QUOTE=Australiasucks]I already know that as bad as Australia is, when I see America, I become more thankful for being an Aussie. Since I live in a naturally warm country, heating bills are not as big of an issue. I heard the winter there is freezing. So much for global warming.

The US is shit, I agree, I merely had some pity for a pregnant black woman who was begging for change on the street, some people say Australia is bad to its Aboriginals but its obvious even under an Obama America that racism and class are still an issue.

It is true that in virtually every country the "best" women go to those with money but outside the English speaking nations this is not exactly true. Ever been to Eastern Europe? South America?? Asia?? Plenty of beautiful women to go around and you even see jobless drunks with some quite exquisite women.

P4P is very much a no no in America, huge issues with law enforcement, criminals, and a very overpriced service.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Yep, things are so damn bad in America, I can't think of a single good reason for owning a Dick. So I'm now auctioning off my dick to the highest bidder.[/QUOTE]On EBay, opening bid $0.02? (As in "putting in your two cents' worth"?)

Just kidding.

My heartfelt condolences to your unemployed dependents.

[quote=clandestine782]what do you read? the usa compared to europe? you might want to start doing some looking into oecd per capita statistics. (as in, something that you could use to quantify your argument.) the thing is: financial crises are always very messy and go on for a long time. i am sure that there was at least one person who knew that it was not a good idea to let fdic create the moral hazard situation it did-- but they were not listened to until the collapse actually occurred. there are probably level headed people here in china suggesting that any number of unsustainable chinese policies should be changed (currency pegs, for one, are really hard to maintain and ultimately all fail-- the use of banking funds to finance state projects a la japan is another thing that is really hard to clean up when it busts).

but again, if you read some things like the wall street journal or the economist (or even the insufferable, left-wing new york times: [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/15/opinion/15krugman.html[/url]), or msn money ([url]http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/investing/contrarianchronicles/us-will-suffer-its-own-greek-crisis.aspx[/url]) you can see that the mess in spain and greece is actually even worse than the worst mess in the united states (california and michigan).

why does everyone in america/ australia have something to say without reading even so much as a single article from usa today (=written so that an 8 or 9 year old could pick it up and read it)? i admit, the msn is getting a bit complicated. someone might need to be 12 years old to read that.

sorry, but everywhere around the world, the wealthiest men will take the largest number of young, attractive women. and i suspect you will find that to be the same in eastern europe as in the states. if, in the realm of the "what-if?" some man says to a woman "i live at home and am 40," i don't think that man (whoever he is) will be at the top of her preference ranking list. (i had a cousin that married a korean wife and made the mistake of bringing her to his mother's house to live and the marriage was finished within 2 months as a result thereof). it's pretty safe to say that men who are older and live with their mother are not at the top of any woman's list of choices. look here in china. there are so many men from taiwan and hong kong who have second wives here (because they can afford them). and even the ugliest woman in china could have her pick of men (sex imbalance). but i have seen more than once a woman who chooses to be a side dish to a man who is already married with a child rather than just get some average local working square (to whom she could dictate the terms of the relationship, but not have as much money). it works that way all around the world.

what else? the conservatives just may have a point. this mess that greece got into was someone trying to buy votes from someone with someone else's tax money. the us is trying to worrying about paying for everyone's health care, but with whose money? is it possible that after the debt is monetized (which happens all the time when governments take on obligations they can't afford), working people will actually be worse off? (if you are wealthy, you can afford to diversify or put your money into gold certificates and ride those through long periods of inflation.)

what else? you talked about the us savings rate. we could have a really high savings rate like russia and japan-- and for the same reason (economic stagnation). when chinese people save money (and they do save a lot of it), then it shows up as purchases of us t-bills. if the us saved more than it invested, then were would the excess go? african t bills? venezuelan t bills? venezuelan bolivars?

but honestly: there are so many sour grapes here. if you were a guy that was inherently attractive to women, you would be that way *anywhere* and rather than worry about women that don't want you (or why) you would have your face pressed into vagina. there are how many american men in the country? do you really mean to tell me that *that* few are getting vagina? come on.......[/quote]

clan, things are changing around here, but with that said i understand what your saying.

i will not be bringing a woman home to my parents house. local women? bah, not worth it.

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Would you like to live in someplace different? Venezuela? Zimbabwe? South Africa? Haiti? The Chinese just might have the best idea (one of the very few that they've had in the last 23 centuries since the first emperor): It *just might* be the best idea to not let the citizens vote. That way, the government can go about the business of getting things done without having to try to make a case to people who don't really have an idea of how things work or why (and who don't want to find out why). The Politburo here does things in a very interesting (and possibly superior) way: They just go about the business of doing things with [i]minimal discussion[/i]. Those guys are the elites....and they are getting things done as a result of not having to talk/ rationalize/ explain to the hoi polloi.[/QUOTE]

Denmark, marry a Dane, problem solved :)

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Denmark, marry a Dane, problem solved :)[/QUOTE]

No way. Denmark and mostly all of Europe is closed to non EEC citizens. You're better off in Asia, L. or S. America.

[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]No way. Denmark and mostly all of Europe is closed to non EEC citizens. You're better off in Asia, L. or S. America.[/QUOTE]

I doubt Danes are sitting there in parliament and saying "Don't let any Americans in under any circumstances".

They do make it hard to immigrate into the EU, however they don't have active policy to prevent intercultural marriages and they have correctly ascertain that the "problem" with America is with their political polices, not their people as a whole. Where have you found where Americans are punished and not allowed to immigrate?

I'm having difficulty finding what the allure of Asia is honestly. Singapore where English is widely spoken is one of the most expensive places to live. Hong Kong where English is widely spoken is one of the most expensive places to live. I hope your not talking about Thailand or The Philippines?

South America is on the back burner, maybe it should be on the front?

Its cheaper, it cost less, plane ride is shorter. The women can be just as hot if not hotter (ass and titties Wee!), maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree?

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I know Denmark. Denmark is the most expensive country to buy a car. 160% excise tax. A 20K vehicle in the U.S. costs 60K there. The local saying is buy one, pay for three. I bought 7 and paid for 21. Public transportation is excellent and affordable. Taxis are expensive. Bicycles are the major form of transport for the general public. Sales tax on everything is 25% including food. Medication is very expensive. Mimimum wage is $16 an hr. A work week is about 35 hr. Maternity leave for her is 6 mo. For him 3 mo. 6 weeks vacation with pay is mandatory if you find a job. Banks steal your money unless you deposit 5 figures in $$$.

An apartment in København in a building built just before the 1900's will cost you about $150K. A modern, recently built apt. about $300K and up. The dollar vs. the krone exchange rate is at 1985 levels. A disaster if you're transfering dollar income. Your total worth, all assets are taxable and must be reported annually to tax office. Both in country and accounts abroad.

2 star hotels are very expensive. A nice restaurant visit with a GF or wife will cost you minimum $80-150 before beverage choice. Thai food and pizza is still cheap.

If you find a Danish wife she will have to prove to the authorities she can support you. You will have to learn Danish. You will not like the tax system but medical care is free and excellent. Their system is better than the U.S.

In the winter the sun rises 8:30 AM and sets 3:30 PM. It can be dark for 2 weeks without sunshine. Suicides are high in Scandinavia during winter.

The summers are the best. Sun rises 4:30 AM and sets 10 PM but you can see the sunset colors until around 11:30 PM. You can sit outdoors and read until 11 PM. The short night sky lights up again around 2 AM. First time visitors may wake up from sleep and think its 8 AM but it's only 4 AM. Birds start their morning singing around 2 AM.

Danish girls/women are beautiful and fit but not as hot as latinas/brasileiras. They are independent, Americanized (negative) yet uninhibited (positive). They'll sunbath topless on the beach or park and bicycle in a very short skirt without panties during the 2 weeks of hot summer. You'll be expected to do your share in everything in your daily life with her.

If you get your residency/work permit Denmark is probably the best European country for an American outside of the U.S.A. They even have a July 4th celebration in the western part of the country. I liked DK but a brasiliera is better for an American man.

[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]No way. Denmark and mostly all of Europe is closed to non EEC citizens. You're better off in Asia, L. or S. America.[/QUOTE]


Australia as bad as I complain about it is 100 times better than most of Europe, many Europeans come to Australia to do shit work, including the Scandinavians. I have met many Europeans in Sydney and they act like they arrived in heaven when they come here. Yes, EU immigration is very closed but there is a sizable Muslim population there. Germany, France, and Britain, all have large Middle Eastern populations.

Denmark, the best country outside of the USA??!! LOL. I think in Europe, Switzerland and Austria would rank higher. Germany as well, and German women are very uninhibited, probably not as negative as Scandinavians but have their moments.
However really, the best country for work and living is Australia.

Two weeks without the the sun?? Wow. Australia isn't so bad and I guess I am spoiled.

[QUOTE=Australiasucks]Australia as bad as I complain about it is 100 times better than most of Europe, many Europeans come to Australia to do shit work, including the Scandinavians. I have met many Europeans in Sydney and they act like they arrived in heaven when they come here. Yes, EU immigration is very closed but there is a sizable Muslim population there. Germany, France, and Britain, all have large Middle Eastern populations.[/QUOTE]I know what you mean. Because people come to America from EVERY country in the World, and start doing shit work and call it HEAVEN. But then maybe it is. At least 297 million out 300 million think so.

Try learning Spanish. Most Spanish speakers HATE it in the US and would rather be back in their own country. I don't blame them. I prefer it here in Colombia: I'd NEVER move back to the US. I'm much happier here.


[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]I know what you mean. Because people come to America from EVERY country in the World, and start doing shit work and call it HEAVEN. But then maybe it is. At least 297 million out 300 million think so.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nyc Expat]I know Denmark. Denmark is the most expensive country to buy a car. 160% excise tax. A 20K vehicle in the U.S. costs 60K there. The local saying is buy one, pay for three. I bought 7 and paid for 21. Public transportation is excellent and affordable. Taxis are expensive. Bicycles are the major form of transport for the general public. Sales tax on everything is 25% including food. Medication is very expensive. Mimimum wage is $16 an hr. A work week is about 35 hr. Maturity leave for her is 6 mo. For him 3 mo. 6 weeks vacation with pay is mandatory if you find a job. Banks steal your money unless you deposit 5 figures in $$$.

An apartment in København in a building built just before the 1900's will cost you about $150K. A modern, recently built apt. about $300K and up. The dollar vs. the krone exchange rate is at 1985 levels. A disaster if you're transfering dollar income. Your total worth, all assets are taxable and must be reported annually to tax office. Both in country and accounts abroad.

2 star hotels are very expensive. A nice restaurant visit with a GF or wife will cost you minimum $80-150 before beverage choice. Thai food and pizza is still cheap.

If you find a Danish wife she will have to prove to the authorities she can support you. You will have to learn Danish. You will not like the tax system but medical care is free and excellent. Their system is better than the U.S.

In the winter the sun rises 8:30 AM and sets 3:30 PM. It can be dark for 2 weeks without sunshine. Suicides are high in Scandinavia during winter.

The summers are the best. Sun rises 4:30 AM and sets 10 PM but you can see the sunset colors until around 11:30 PM. You can sit outdoors and read until 11 PM. The short night sky lights up again around 2 AM. First time visitors may wake up from sleep and think its 8 AM but it's only 4 AM. Birds start their morning singing around 2 AM.

Danish girls/women are beautiful and fit but not as hot as latinas/brasileiras. They are independent, Americanized (negative) yet uninhibited (positive). They'll sunbath topless on the beach or park and bicycle in a very short skirt without panties during the 2 weeks of hot summer. You'll be expected to do your share in everything in your daily life with her.

If you get your residency/work permit Denmark is probably the best European country for an American outside of the U.S.A. They even have a July 4th celebration in the western part of the country. I liked DK but a brasiliera is better for an American man.[/QUOTE]

I pretty much knew that... I didn't know about 4th of July celebrated in the Western part of the country, though thanks.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]I know what you mean. Because people come to America from EVERY country in the World, and start doing shit work and call it HEAVEN. But then maybe it is. At least 297 million out 300 million think so.[/QUOTE]How do you know what everybody thinks? People come to america mostly because of the belief and Hollywood propaganda they can earn money and the power of the dollar. If dollar collapses (I hope not) nobody will give a shit about America. Also since so many "shitty" jobs available, many losers come to america since they can't make it at home. Also ugly girls who can't compete at home feel in america much better.

[QUOTE=Australiasucks]
Denmark, the best country outside of the USA??!! LOL. I think in Europe, Switzerland and Austria would rank higher. Germany as well, and German women are very uninhibited, probably not as negative as Scandinavians but have their moments. Two weeks without the the sun?? Wow. Australia isn't so bad and I guess I am spoiled.[/QUOTE]

Switzerland and Austria? LOL. No way. Trust me, I know after living in Europe half my life. Visited almost every Euroland. Austria has a strong neo-nazi, anti-American movement. The Swiss get the gold for Euro snobbery and ultra-conservatism. Germany and France have enormous muslim problems as well as mostly all Eurolands except Irland. This problem also exists in Denmark and Sweden.

You have no language barrier in GB. Denmark and Netherlands are still pro-American countries. Danes love to speak English, helpful towards tourists and almost every Dane has New York or Florida on their vacation bucket list. The Scandinavian countries have original language broadcast tv with subtitles as opposed to other Euro countries dubbing. I know many Americans happily living and successful in Denmark with their beautiful Danish wives.

Denmark has a very stable economy currently with a low unemployment rate. The krone is strong against the dollar, sterling, A$ and stable against the Euro. If you're willing to learn another language, Denmark or Netherlands is without a doubt your best choice in Europe. You'll easily fit in and will be welcomed. You will not be in Germany, France or Austria.

If you're retirement age, Portugal or Spain are possibilities as most north Europeans want to retire there if they can afford the life style. Spain's coastal communities are equivalent to South Florida except Spain is prettier and cost of living is less except housing is terribly expensive. Ah, latina Spanish women there, yes.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Try learning Spanish. Most Spanish speakers HATE it in the US and would rather be back in their own country. I don't blame them. I prefer it here in Colombia: I'd NEVER move back to the US. I'm much happier here.[/QUOTE]First off you shouldn't assume you know me. Second I've been to Columbia to. Medllin. All over El centro, Mayorista, Poblado. I speak enough spanish to get by. And know its not all that peaches and cream. Safety is still a MAJOR big time issue.

I guess those Thousands of mexicans and other latinos who marched in ever city in America. Just so we didn't pass laws to get rid of only the illegal ones must love it in America. You don't do that in a country you want to leave.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]I know what you mean. Because people come to America from EVERY country in the World, and start doing shit work and call it HEAVEN. But then maybe it is. At least 297 million out 300 million think so.[/QUOTE]


The big difference between the current waves of immigration in the US and in Australia, is that the in the US, there is much greater waves of immigration from the third world, to people from the third world being at the bottom of the US socioeconomic ladder is actually a good thing. Even the less affluent in America live pretty well. In Australia, most immigrants come from developed countries, UK, Germany, Japan, etc, mostly people who come from well off countries and were well off before they came to Australia but Australia does get a fair number from the third world. Our immigration differs from the US in that everyone who wants to live in Australia has to speak English, that would get a lot of leftists in America upset. There are many Americans I know who resent the fact that many newcomers in America do not integrate and learn the ways of the majority and it does not surprise me that you minutemen or that other guy in Arizona trying to deport all the illegals he can find.

European countries also expect their immigrants to learn their language and ways, and are very intolerant when someone breaks their rules. Australia is largely zero tolerance on illegal immigration, Canada which is seen as the "nicer" version of America is also strict.

I also completely think this nonsense talk of America collapsing is bullshit. America will remain a major world power and economic force for a very long time even if the US will no longer be number one. I am typing this on an American designed PC. The real issue is that the US in a globalized world will not be the only engine of the world economy, it might take a while for Americans to get used to this after over two centuries of rapid growth and prestige.

If Spanish speakers hate America so much, why do they keep jumping over the border illegally? They like it better at home? Then why bother going to the US? The US standard of living is still pretty high and those of you who have seen how most of the world really lives would realize it quickly.

I have never been to Denmark myself, and honestly Germany and Austria have changed a lot over the decades. Nazis? LOL. I heard they often arrest Nazis from English speaking nations. Most Germans and Austrians reminded me more of Bruno than of Adolf.

Australia is an amazing country if you ever have the good fortune of seeing it, blessed with plenty of space, food, and resources, and a fairly peaceful and tolerant society, its always ranked among the best places in the world. And Australia is very immigrant friendly. I think an American would have a much easier time fitting into Australia than any other country. And despite my gripes of Aussie women, many Yanks seem to like them.

Asia is not a good place for a Westerner, in many ways, they are so different, and simply opening your mouth can get you thrown in prison. Latin America has serious human rights issues, look up any country there, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, much of their histories, these countries were ruled by dictators. A small number of Argentines and Brazilians came to Australia to flee trouble in their homelands many years ago, many still come to Oz because of our stability and relative ease of life. I bet that is the same reason people go to the US and Canada.

[QUOTE=Australiasucks]...Even the less affluent in America live pretty well.[/QUOTE]

Just going to have to object to that myth there.

[QUOTE=Australiasucks]

Denmark, the best country outside of the USA??!! LOL. I think in Europe, Switzerland and Austria would rank higher. Germany as well, and German women are very uninhibited, probably not as negative as Scandinavians but have their moments.
.[/QUOTE]


Germany is by far the worst country in all of western europe.

Australiasucks:

You mentioned that a fair number of immigrants from 3rd world countries also flock into there. I thought that in order to immigrate into Australia, one had to be fairly well off in terms of net worth (close to a million?) so as not to put a strain on the government to support foreigners.

Can you clarify a little? My brother has told me this and he has visited at least 10-12 times since the early 90's.

Sao Paulo has the largest Japanese population outside of the homeland. Thousands upon thousands of Germans and Italians settled in South Brazil while many Scandinavians immigranted to Argentina. Those half and half Brazilian women of Euro or Japanese descent are true beauties. Just look at their famous models with Euro bloodlines.

Since I lived in Denmark half my life I feel qualified and informed concerning my statements earlier. And yes, third world immigrants are flooding Western Europe and they come with demands f. ex. hal-al food for their children in public schools, segregated swimming sessions for muslim women only, muslim female head dress for girls in public schools. I can continue if necessary.

There is one point that needs to be stated. In America, those 3rd. world citizens have learned, to be accepted they have to blend in. In Europe, they refuse creating massive social problems and racism. They will not conform to western life styles but expect westerners to change to their beliefs.

I repeat again, Austria has the largest new nazi movement in western Europe. It's a known fact.

I do not live in Europe and occasionally just go there to visit and if there is a Nazi movement there I am glad I am in Australia. Many Europeans and Brits love to call Australians racist but there are no real Australian political parties that are looking to kick out immigrants, at least not in the last decade or so, no KKK or skinheads, and a good number of white Aussies will call themselves "Asian".

If you compare poor in America to poor in Indonesia or other third world countries its obvious the poor in America and most of the west have a better life. When you compare the average American to the average citizen of another developed country its when the US looks bad.

Germany has a pretty good sex scene much better than anything in any Scandinavian country, have you seen their FKK clubs, very very nice.

Maybe the tables are turning, I got laughed at for being an Australian in Europe about 8 years ago, and now Australia is the only Western nation not experiencing a severe economic downturn, how things change, people in my country used to think of themselves as the poor among the rich, especially when we compared ourselves to Americans and Brits, but both countries seem to be on a downward slope.

I have seen both Swedes and Germans in Australia pick fruit in the hot sun, they are that desperate to be in Australia. Oh and the minimum wage is also as high as Denmark. People who flip burgers make 16 bucks an hour. Local Australian women though suck balls, but the Asian influx has changed things.

And Latin America as well as Asia are very very racist, they might treat a blonde white foreigner well but anyone else is often mistreated. Look at Brazil or Argentina, in Argentina a rugby team treated their Native teammate like rubbish. An African in Singapore who was accused of drug possession was executed quickly. I have a lot of friends in the US and some of the worst racial tension seems to be among ethnic minorities, not between whites and ethnic minorities, there was even an article about this that stated different ethnic groups tried to reach out to whites but largely mistrusted one another in the USA.

Third world citizens blend in the US?? Are you kidding me? Ever been to East Los Angeles? Even NY is pretty bad, I went there a while ago and could hardly find anyone who could communicate in basic English and the racial tension I noticed in the US is pretty bad. Australia has its problems too but people seem to weigh the good vs the bad and the good easily outweighs the bad of Oz. The only country that has been remotely successful in integrating different people is Canada, its a night and day difference between the Canadians and Americans.

DJ sounds unhappy in America from his post but does not realize only North of the border he has a different world that would await him. Canada is like America minus the bullshit.

[QUOTE=Goga Fung]How do you know what everybody thinks? People come to america mostly because of the belief and Hollywood propaganda they can earn money and the power of the dollar. If dollar collapses (I hope not) nobody will give a shit about America. Also since so many "shitty" jobs available, many losers come to america since they can't make it at home. Also ugly girls who can't compete at home feel in america much better.[/QUOTE]Man the best of the best around the world come to america. Because until you've made it in America. You really haven't made it. Period. Gong Fung sounds like you're Chinese, look at Gong Li. Even with a billion Chinese. She wanted to make it in Hollywood. Same as Jackie Chan. Europe's best where do they go to make it. Aussie's Mel Gibson. Crocdille dundee dude. Singers. Because Its the shit, so if they are coming. All the beautiful woman who Think they are going to make it come too. YOUR beauties come to LA and NY thinking they going to make it. And who do you think gets that potane. Thats right AM like me.

[QUOTE=Australiasucks]I do not live in Europe and occasionally just go there to visit and if there is a Nazi movement there I am glad I am in Australia. Many Europeans and Brits love to call Australians racist but there are no real Australian political parties that are looking to kick out immigrants, at least not in the last decade or so, no KKK or skinheads, and a good number of white Aussies will call themselves "Asian"..[/QUOTE]If I asked an Australian aborigine I think he'd say something quite different. Its easy to speak about everything being so tolerant when you're from the ruling majority. But I've seen news reports of Indians protesting about racism there against them. So it appears what you mean to say is Australia is tolerant if you have WHITE skin. Just because your racist don't have a group name doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. Its just so wide spread it doesn't warrant needing a group.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]Man the best of the best around the world come to america. Because until you've made it in America. You really haven't made it. Period. Gong Fung sounds like you're Chinese, look at Gong Li. Even with a billion Chinese. She wanted to make it in Hollywood. Same as Jackie Chan. Europe's best where do they go to make it. Aussie's Mel Gibson. Crocdille dundee dude. Singers. Because Its the shit, so if they are coming. All the beautiful woman who Think they are going to make it come too. YOUR beauties come to LA and NY thinking they going to make it. And who do you think gets that potane. Thats right AM like me.[/QUOTE]


lol...so wrong.

You're right about one thing and I'm sure everyone on this board would agree. You can have all the american women for yourself, they're the worst on the planet. Only one thing worse, a foreign girl living in america who gets americanized!

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Third world citizens blend in the US?? Are you kidding me? Ever been to East Los Angeles? Even NY is pretty bad, I went there a while ago and could hardly find anyone who could communicate in basic English and the racial tension I noticed in the US is pretty bad. Australia has its problems too but people seem to weigh the good vs the bad and the good easily outweighs the bad of Oz. The only country that has been remotely successful in integrating different people is Canada, its a night and day difference between the Canadians and Americans.
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Have to agree with NYC here. I also have lived in both places (america/europe). Lived in the carribean also where some islands are almost all black.

Just check out the news of what's going on in Switzerland with the Muslims. Look at the neo-nazi's in Germany & Austria. Africans in Spain and Italy are the bottom of the bottom. The spanish are racist towards the immigrants from south america. People I know in Portugal think everyone from Brazil is a puta. There's a hell of a lot more integration in USA then here.

Living somewhere and visiting or reading about it are two totally different things. You mention just about every country in the world, yeah there's racism everywhere.

I can go on a vacation in Cuba for a week, stay in a 5star hotel on a beautiful beach with great food. Never seeing the rest of the island and know that people can only use water at certain times the government allows them or see people leaving in extreme poverty. Then I can go back home and say "Wow, Cuba was great! Seemed like a great country to me!"

You may speak a few words of Spanish, but try actually making friends with Spanish speakers in your home town, and GAIN THEIR TRUST; THEN ask them what they think of your "paradise" country... they will tell you about problems with the police, the shit food, the total lack of social integration, the lousy education system etc... they will almost TO A PERSON tell you they wish they were back in their home country.

50% of all immigrants that land in the USA actually DO go back in 5 years or less..... the necessity of dodging the odd bullet or the risk of losing your cellphone to pickpockets notwithstanding....

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]First off you shouldn't assume you know me. Second I've been to Columbia to. Medllin. All over El centro, Mayorista, Poblado. I speak enough spanish to get by. And know its not all that peaches and cream. Safety is still a MAJOR big time issue.

I guess those Thousands of mexicans and other latinos who marched in ever city in America. Just so we didn't pass laws to get rid of only the illegal ones must love it in America. You don't do that in a country you want to leave.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]You may speak a few words of Spanish, but try actually making friends with Spanish speakers in your home town, and GAIN THEIR TRUST; THEN ask them what they think of your "paradise" country... they will tell you about problems with the police, the shit food, the total lack of social integration, the lousy education system etc... they will almost TO A PERSON tell you they wish they were back in their home country.

50% of all immigrants that land in the USA actually DO go back in 5 years or less..... the necessity of dodging the odd bullet or the risk of losing your cellphone to pickpockets notwithstanding....[/QUOTE]This sounds like something I have heard before. I get this line from Chinese people all the time (before they know that I can understand Chinese). It is usually something like (in reference to something that has been reported on the news or some topic that comes up in office discussion): "Oh, that person does not speak Chinese, so he cannot possibly understand." And if you do understand Chinese, then there will be complaints that you don't understand it well enough for the argument at hand. (Nevermind that when I am on different conversation jobs, I listen to the argument that is being made and not the grammar.) Long story short: Nice try, but I have already heard that argument and it didn't work then.

If they go back to where they come from, that is fine with me. I live here in China and I take the same buses as Chinese people and eat the same food and speak to them in their language. (I NEVER begin any conversation anywhere in English. If someone speaks to me in English, then I answer them in Chinese and we each speak our second language for the duration of the conversation.) But I can't say that our Spaniophone population gives English speaking people the same courtesy. Mexicans/ Cubans are more guilty of revanchism/ irredentism than anyone else that I've ever seen.

Since they live in their own little world in the States, if they are likely to get shot at, isn't it by one of their own kind? And in that case, couldn't they have the same experience wherever they came from? How is it different if it happens in the United States?

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]But I've seen news reports of Indians protesting about racism there against them.[/QUOTE]
Australia is a country...Melbourne is a city. Indian students protested against violence in MELBOURNE. It doesn't make the whole country racist.

[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]Australia is a country...Melbourne is a city. Indian students protested against violence in MELBOURNE. It doesn't make the whole country racist.[/QUOTE]
That and the fact that some students somewhere are protesting about something at ALL times (=always and everywhere). There in the United States, the head of state is a black man. And yet black students at Berkley were protesting about some people somewhere who had a "Ghetto Party" at some place to which these black people weren't invited and with which they didn't need to concern themselves. One little punk assed party led to protests and sit-ins all over the place. WTF? So, no, just because some students somewhere are protesting doesn't mean that there is necessarily an issue.

[QUOTE=ThatGuy865]If I asked an Australian aborigine I think he'd say something quite different. Its easy to speak about everything being so tolerant when you're from the ruling majority. But I've seen news reports of Indians protesting about racism there against them. So it appears what you mean to say is Australia is tolerant if you have WHITE skin. Just because your racist don't have a group name doesn't mean racism doesn't exist. Its just so wide spread it doesn't warrant needing a group.[/QUOTE]


Give me a break about the attacks on Indians. The loony bullshit Indian media exaggerated the whole thing, claiming there were 1500 attacks on Indians in 2009, there were really only 100, and they were pretty much muggings and robberies. In Australia there is crime, and a lot of these students had the stupidity to work during odd hours or in some dodgy parts of town and ran into the local rif raff. There is even a video of an Indian being beaten up on youtube and several of the assailants were Asian and one even looked Indian, they took his ipod, and 650 dollars in cash. The moron Indian media blew the whole thing out of proportion it was a robbery and it could not have been racial since several of the attackers were clearly not white one looked Asian the other had a dark complexion. What moron runs around during night time with over 600 bucks in cash?? You don't think crimes like this happen in America?? They do but the media doesn't care because its too common.

In America there are shitloads of racial violence, and the KKK and NeoNazis have considerable membership. Neo Nazis even marched through Phoenix Arizona a while back. Indians also get attacked in America and sometimes because people think they are Arab. Many times Indians work in cash businesses and wind up the target of crime. If you think America is a racial paradise, look up Joe Arpaio, the minutemen, and Henry Louis Gates, also Jena 6. Australia in comparison is a lot more peaceful.

Some of the worst racism and violence in both Australia and the US does not even involve whites and minorities but minorities against other minorities. Look at hispanics and blacks in most US cities. One of my friends in the US is a teacher in a big US city and says her school suffers from a lot of racial violence and its particularly bad between the hispanic and the black population. She also says other groups get picked on as well such as Asians and Arabs. What has happened in Melbourne is very similar to what occurs in inner city America, inter ethnic violence and tension.

Most of these Indians were being robbed in addition to being bashed and from the names of the arrested, it looks like other ethnic groups were picking on them. One of the biggest cases involved a group of Somalis bashing an Indian, another involved Lebanese Muslims. Its mostly ethnic gangs who see Indians as an easy target and its more the case since almost all these crimes occurred during odd hours.

I actually work out with an African American at a gym in Sydney, he loves it here and even with Obama as President is not convinced that America is changing for the better in any way. Also he happens to be a Muslim and makes it known to everyone he meets including myself, he was hiding that in the US. He also has plenty of girlfriends and is enjoying life down under. He doesn't hide the fact that he is a Muslim in Australia but he admitted that he hid his beliefs in post 9-11 America.

Indians sure are welcome in the good ole US of A:
[url]http://pluralism.org/news/view/13991[/url]
The above occurred in the most "liberal" metro of America.

Spanish speaking people in America not racist?? Fuck no!!! Look at Cubans in Miami, absolutely the most racist arrogant people on Earth. Even saw a Cuban hit a homeless black man with a broom. And that kind of racism was touched on a bit in Bad Boys films.

Latin America a racial paradise? Are you fucking kidding me!!! The favelas of Brazil are in my dreams only??? And all the lighter complexioned Brazilians in their nice apartment towers and BMWs are also fake??!! Even the social order in Latin America is based on skin color.

In my own arrogant opinion
Australia >>>>> US and A

Here's a simple yes or no question and I hope you'll answer truthfully. Do you think an Aborigine can ever become Prime Minister of Australia?

[QUOTE=Australiasucks]Give me a break about the attacks on Indians. The loony bullshit Indian media exaggerated the whole thing, claiming there were 1500 attacks on Indians in 2009, there were really only 100, and they were pretty much muggings and robberies. In Australia there is crime, and a lot of these students had the stupidity to work during odd hours or in some dodgy parts of town and ran into the local rif raff. There is even a video of an Indian being beaten up on youtube and several of the assailants were Asian and one even looked Indian, they took his ipod, and 650 dollars in cash. The moron Indian media blew the whole thing out of proportion it was a robbery and it could not have been racial since several of the attackers were clearly not white one looked Asian the other had a dark complexion. What moron runs around during night time with over 600 bucks in cash?? You don't think crimes like this happen in America?? They do but the media doesn't care because its too common.

In America there are shitloads of racial violence, and the KKK and NeoNazis have considerable membership. Neo Nazis even marched through Phoenix Arizona a while back. Indians also get attacked in America and sometimes because people think they are Arab. Many times Indians work in cash businesses and wind up the target of crime. If you think America is a racial paradise, look up Joe Arpaio, the minutemen, and Henry Louis Gates, also Jena 6. Australia in comparison is a lot more peaceful.

Some of the worst racism and violence in both Australia and the US does not even involve whites and minorities but minorities against other minorities. Look at hispanics and blacks in most US cities. One of my friends in the US is a teacher in a big US city and says her school suffers from a lot of racial violence and its particularly bad between the hispanic and the black population. She also says other groups get picked on as well such as Asians and Arabs. What has happened in Melbourne is very similar to what occurs in inner city America, inter ethnic violence and tension.

Most of these Indians were being robbed in addition to being bashed and from the names of the arrested, it looks like other ethnic groups were picking on them. One of the biggest cases involved a group of Somalis bashing an Indian, another involved Lebanese Muslims. Its mostly ethnic gangs who see Indians as an easy target and its more the case since almost all these crimes occurred during odd hours.

I actually work out with an African American at a gym in Sydney, he loves it here and even with Obama as President is not convinced that America is changing for the better in any way. Also he happens to be a Muslim and makes it known to everyone he meets including myself, he was hiding that in the US. He also has plenty of girlfriends and is enjoying life down under. He doesn't hide the fact that he is a Muslim in Australia but he admitted that he hid his beliefs in post 9-11 America.

Indians sure are welcome in the good ole US of A:
[url]http://pluralism.org/news/view/13991[/url]
The above occurred in the most "liberal" metro of America.

Spanish speaking people in America not racist?? Fuck no!!! Look at Cubans in Miami, absolutely the most racist arrogant people on Earth. Even saw a Cuban hit a homeless black man with a broom. And that kind of racism was touched on a bit in Bad Boys films.

Latin America a racial paradise? Are you fucking kidding me!!! The favelas of Brazil are in my dreams only??? And all the lighter complexioned Brazilians in their nice apartment towers and BMWs are also fake??!! Even the social order in Latin America is based on skin color.

In my own arrogant opinion
Australia >>>>> US and A[/QUOTE]

You totally didn't read my post!

What I said was they would PREFER to dodge bullets IN THEIR COUNTRY where the crime is HIGHER than in the US, but there are other benefits that more than make up for it!!!! }

These days with the US Economy in the shitter I will bet you there are more immigrants LEAVING than staying. One thing you will hear over and over in NY and other cities in the US in Spanish, Igbo, Hindi, Fujian, Russian, Arab etc. "My friend, this country is ONLY GOOD FOR MONEY!!!"

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]This sounds like something I have heard before. I get this line from Chinese people all the time (before they know that I can understand Chinese). It is usually something like (in reference to something that has been reported on the news or some topic that comes up in office discussion): "Oh, that person does not speak Chinese, so he cannot possibly understand." And if you do understand Chinese, then there will be complaints that you don't understand it well enough for the argument at hand. (Nevermind that when I am on different conversation jobs, I listen to the argument that is being made and not the grammar.) Long story short: Nice try, but I have already heard that argument and it didn't work then.

If they go back to where they come from, that is fine with me. I live here in China and I take the same buses as Chinese people and eat the same food and speak to them in their language. (I NEVER begin any conversation anywhere in English. If someone speaks to me in English, then I answer them in Chinese and we each speak our second language for the duration of the conversation.) But I can't say that our Spaniophone population gives English speaking people the same courtesy. Mexicans/ Cubans are more guilty of revanchism/ irredentism than anyone else that I've ever seen.

Since they live in their own little world in the States, if they are likely to get shot at, isn't it by one of their own kind? And in that case, couldn't they have the same experience wherever they came from? How is it different if it happens in the United States?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Capt Ajax]Here's a simple yes or no question and I hope you'll answer truthfully. Do you think an Aborigine can ever become Prime Minister of Australia?[/QUOTE]

Aborginals do not want much to do with modern Australia. I think its possible that an Aborigine could become PM but I really think its the East Asians that are gaining the power and influence in Australia. Their way of life is very different from most people. I going to bet big money that Australia will become a colony of China in another 20 years, our economy depends upon Asia. Without trade with China, Japan, Korea, India, and other growing regions, Australia will starve. There was a big thing on the news last year about a CIA report that said that the US will lose a substantial amount of its influence in Asia Pacific, that is why Australia right now is aggressively trying to portray itself as part of Asia. The APEC meetings in Sydney have a habit of snarling up traffic.

When you look at Obama, degrees from 2 Ivy League universities, went to a very elite private school in Hawaii. Raised by a white mother and grandparents, do you really think he has much in common with most African Americans? Its also a well known fact that Obama was mostly dating white women before he met his wife. My mate in Sydney who is African American even thought this about Obama, he thought Obama was largely some kind of front for the NWO after 8 years of Bush.