American Women

There are of course exceptions to every rule. As mentioned once on this board, I met a pretty young, fairly normal girl off an online ad-we didn't hit it off but still the point remains that she is pretty, thin and normal. Also I once took on a date a girl I met on match.com. I didn't find myself particularly attracted to her (slightly largish single mommy), but she was hardly a horror story.

Regarding Ty's advice, I can only add that you have to pick your audience with the fancy car. My old beater 7 series Volvo was European, bright, shiny, sleek and regal (not as prestigious as a late model BMW of course) when I bought it slightly used 6 years ago. No one out her in the sticks raised an eyebrow at it.....they are all about Camaro's, Mustangs, Monster Trucks, and fucking SUV's out here.

In my experience, most girls don't have a clue about cars. All they know is if it's clean and has leather seats, it must be a nice one.

My advice is that you'd be better off getting a clean 6 yr old Merc, Bimmer or what have you..... and spend the money you saved on some expensive clothes ( like a nice suit ), a quality haircut and some tasteful jewelry (gold bracelet, necklace etc.). That's something that women DO pay attention to.

Rock

When it comes to internet dating one must often weed through psychos, whales, fuglies and people playing around online. After doing this the most you can hope for is an average girl who you probably wouldn't give a second glance in reality. My position is that a good looking AW has no problem getting asked out for dates several times a week without going online, so the fact that she is peddling herself online should raise a red flag immediately. One of my friends who didn't care much about the quality of the women he screwed used internet dating services regularly, one day he pointed out to me that the same women remained online in his area even after a few years. He then proceeded to scroll through the profiles of several that he actually dated and pointed out the false information and the old fotos that they had posted. I asked him why he continued to meet women from the web now that he knew about the tricks? He then explained to me that these women were for the most part desperate and were willing to fuck on the first date just to hold a guy's interest, they were on there for years because the type of guys they were looking for was only willing to fuck them but not have a relationship.

In short these average or less than average women were out there looking for Prince Charming but found themselves getting sport-fucked by the frogs. (I can hardly contain my laughter. The thought of AW getting fucked by numerous horny toads is quite amusing.) Anyway, emailing back and forth is a waste of time. The best strategy is to push for a meeting right away this will call their bluff and save time that might be wasted in an online relationship with a walrus posing as a hot babe. I don't see much point in using the net for dating in the US unless your attitude is similar to that of my friend. However, it can be useful for lining up pussy overseas in countries that don't have much of a P4P scene before arriving there.

As far as cars are concerned, the general rule for choosing what type is quite simple. If one is chasing country pussy think of trucks with big engines, if the quarry is urban pussy then consider luxury and sport cars. Better yet, just get an old beater of your choice and use the money that you would have spent on a hot new ride to go on several mongering trips. Your dick would be forever grateful.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger] a walrus posing as a hot babe. [/QUOTE]

A-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

DAMN, I like that one!

Chocha you are right.

The real reason most guys blow money on cars is because they think that somehow, somewhere they are gonna get laid because some girl will be so impressed by their ride.

When you go P4P you bypass all that crap and the whole car thing becomes irrelevant. You can say the same for having to have a big house, expensive clothes, jewelry and the dating scene.

It's been my experience that it's actually a lot cheaper to go to my local MP once or twice a week and enjoy the girl of my choice. I could throw in a couple of trips a year, do 5 or 10 girls and still come out money ahead.

Rock

I've had mostly good and only one bad experience online.

I'll disagree about some of the things raised in recent post though.

Looks aren't everything and I know alot of men that would run faster from a woman than Carl Lewis when they found out she had children for example. There some serious diamonds in the rough online. You just have to do a decent amount of mining.

Yes its easy to pick up undesirable women (fat, ugly, whatever) and d*ck them down after the first date (don't even need the net for that). Shhhh sometimes it didn't even require that. I remember at least 3-4 girls that on the usual scale come in around 4-5, did me inside of 24 hours of actually speaking on the phone. In fact I think with one I could have done her same day if I didn't have to work.

These are women I would NEVER BEEN SEEN IN PUBLIC with, save for one or two I took to dinner outside my regular stomping grounds.

My only LTR (2.5 years) was found that way as well, so the internet has its postives and negatives like everything.

I have met some truely stunning women (8-8.5), never had sex with them, but there were things than prevented them from the usual dating B.S like sitting at the local dive bar.

This is specially true for single parents and I'm sure there a couple of dead beat fathers on here that are responsible for junior's welfare but could care less. That often puts younger women without job skills, not only working long hours at Walmart, but also working at Strip Clubs and being Sex Providers among other things or haven't you noticed?

They are as about as easy to bed, as ugly women because alot of them don't have "adult" converations and are always talking to their toddlers and slightly older children. Women desire a connection with men, even at the risk of there own children welfare in some cases.

The one bad date was from a fallen down drunk single mother, who was very opinionated about how black men should act. Now that might seem okay until you I tell you the girl was white. That is one thing I will not stand for is pretenting you know how black people should act (being only 25 yrs old and from an area that's 85% white). We are not monolitic people, there for, not all of us are gang bangers, drink 40's, don't eat p*ssy, listen to black music only, can't swim but can dance.

I do all the above, but the bangin, the heavy drinking part and sorry to imform some people but Black folk are responsible for the birth of Electronica, I listen to that as well.

Enough about that ----

Nice cars:

Especially in a materialistic area such as Los Angeles, what you roll for sure has effect on your social life. That's not to say every girl cares about what you drive, but don't roll up in some beat up bucket to the club and expect to pull any girls that saw you in that pile.

BMW and MBZ sell more cars in Southern California than any other place on earth. That makes the cars somewhat common Chevys and Pickups in more rural areas of the country. Have I mentioned all the Escalades in SoCal?

Just as long as your car is of recent vintage, clean and ding free, most women don't care. But don't expect her to ride in your Focus when her daily driver is a 3 series Bimmer.

Of course you could be the more responsible person in this example, paying back your school loans and other more important bills than having a flashy ride. Women only seem fruggle, most of the high maintainance women I know are in debt up to their eye balls and not too proud to ask you for a few hundred dollars every so often.

Personal experience.

Ah, American women.... too funny

I think we all should read this very important article....its not about american women but it is about america......

Phony Wealth = Phony Power
by Alex Wallenwein


... and that makes the US a very vulnerable country.

America 's formidable wealth is, deplorably, based on a lie - or at least it has been, since gold was defanged back in 1971. But, what its enemies don't realize is that this defanging occurred at a time when gold was still sporting its baby teeth.

After spending three decades in a rather toothless state (except for that brief moment in history when it jumped up to over $800 an ounce from less than $!00 in a few short years), gold's real fangs are only now beginning to show.

And they're starting to bite, as well.

They will sink deep into America's soft economic underbelly before long, courtesy of America's sworn enemies - and America's very own financial powers who exposed it to this potentially fatal threat.

America 's foreign enemies are using gold as a weapon. China and the Muslim nations of the world - and now Russia as well - are stocking up on the yellow metal while the US is wasting its time by pushing a phony, shadow-of-its-former-self version of capitalism on the world which it calls "globalization."

Globalization has gutted Americans' former mattress linings in favor of home-equity lines of credit and a helpless addiction to cheap-a_ _ Chinese goods - built with pirated US technology and know-how, to boot.

Our dependence on foreign oil, and dependence on foreign consumer goods and capital, have left the US economy a walking corpse and have heaped riches on our enemies. The US economy may be a colossal corpse, bigger than the world has ever seen. It may have been feeding the world's other economies for the last two or three decades and it may still be able to outrun every other - but it's still a walking corpse.

Why? Because it's nothing but a deadly accident, waiting to happen.

The sworn enemies of anything resembling freedom are now using real wealth - gold - to kick the clay feet out from under America's tottering financial edifice. Witness Russia's announcement that it will double its official gold reserves.

How did this happen?

Easy. They had inside help.

The powers that crafted, and now make up, the financial architecture of the United States are responsible for removing gold as its foundation - and substituting themselves for it. Themselves - and their system of debt-based, computer keystroke-created windbag-money.

Their arrogance would not allow them to let something they themselves don't directly and immediately control operate as the foundation of the world's financial structure.

All kinds of reasons have been trotted out to explain away the gradual removal of gold from the world financial scene as "historically inevitable," but there are only two factors that could function as anything resembling an original cause for this: Human arrogance - and human laziness. The arrogance of the financiers, aided and abetted by the laziness of the common man - us.

The financiers removed any vestige of gold from financial public life, and Mr. Common Man went right along with it. After all, the "experts" have decided that this is better for all concerned (especially them), so who are we to say it's not? Right?

It is clear that America can't be conquered through military attack. Not yet - if ever, unless the Chinese are successful in creating their planned racially targeted bio-bomb that will only kill white people and leave those of Asian origin unharmed. (I kid you not. They are actively working on this, however remote the possibility of success may appear at this point.)

That kind of gives you an idea of their mind set - and where things will be going from here on out. And it's not just the Chinese. The Russians under Putin are drawing their own plans against us.

Russians would like nothing better than to return to their old glory days when they were officially communist and the whole world was quaking in their boots, afraid of what Russia might do next. Just like the Jews who longed to go back into slavery during their Exodus from Egypt because they missed the phony comforts they had while in captivity Today, nobody pays Russia much mind anymore - and many Russians openly resent that.

What the Muslims' aims are doesn't even warrant any discussion here. If you want to know what the world will look like if Islam gets its way and nobody powerful enough to oppose it is left, just take a look at France right now. A puny minority of adolescent Muslim thugs are terrorizing an entire country - and French officials are wringing their hands and are making excuses.

These three power blocs (added to the traditional buyers in India that have always been around), are now the driving force behind the price of gold. And the US' financial powers have handed them the key to their city's gates.

Debt-based money (money that is automatically created by legal fiat every time a bank issues a "credit" through making a loan) guts any system that comes to depend on it, the same way heroin deprives the human body of its own endorphin-manufacturing capacity. By removing gold from our financial system, these "powers" have exposed our economic flank to a fatal attack, and our enemies are now marching toward it.

So, who are our worst enemies, then? Those besieging the city walls - or those who handed over the key in the still of the night, while nobody was watching?

And what about those who neglected to watch, hmm? The responsibility for rectifying the sins of their leaders is surely theirs.

And that means it's your's and mine.

You, who read this, are the ones who know about gold. Your friends have been laughing you off for the past two and a half decades if you've been around that long, but now gold is going over $500 any second, and your friends are scratching their heads.

They are still within their comfort zone though, because the current rise in gold's fiat-ratio is happening while all of the other economic numbers still look marginally acceptable and the Dow is rising as well.

The dollar appears "strong" and long rates have come back down from their recent spike. Oil is behaving somewhat, the Chinese appear to play ball by slowly letting their currency rise against the buck, and the world still invests in America because their interest rates are lower than ours wherever else you go.

But gold is rising, partially because of the above named three power blocks, and partially because some people are slowly waking up to its potential.

This is the time when your friends and family will begin to listen.

Talk to them!

We are nowhere near any long term 'top' in gold. It's far from 'too late' to get in. Your friends, of course, will still keep one wistful eye on that Nasdaq screen while they try to listen to you. You still won't have their undivided attention - yet. But they are starting to prick up their ears.

America will not be safe from the onslaught of the foreign gold phalanx until enough people at home start accumulating gold, real wealth - at any price - before their enemies snap it all up. (I say "at any price" because gold's fiat "price" is not by any means the measure of its worth. It's only an indicator of the lack of worth of gold's competitors!)

In the end, gold's so-called "price" is absolutely irrelevant. The truth is that it's exactly the other way around, as I have been writing for so long now. In the end, gold was, is, and continues to be, the true measure of worth of all things fiat. Like it or not, it is the truth, and this truth, after having been the modern financial world's 'best kept secret' for so long, is now re-emerging in people's consciousness.

Forget about all that posturing of big financial houses, central banks, college and government economists, and of the beholden news-manufacturing outlets the world over. All of their schmonzes is now coming to the surface.

Unfortunately, the driving force behind this emerging truth currently emanates from America's enemies.

Can we afford to let America's enemies help the truth along - instead of us? Can we afford to give our faithless officials the chance to say: "Look, they are attacking us with gold, so gold is subversive and must be shunned by any red-blooded American"?

No. We cannot. Because gold is in reality no danger to America at all. It's only a danger to the Phony version, the smeared-off and twisted corporate carbon-copy called "Amerika." It's only a danger to the Ivy League crowd that spawned characters like Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Ben Bernanke on the economic side (and double-talking lawyers like the Clintons and Ruth Baader-Meinhof Ginsberg on the legal side) and their philosophical progenitors. It is those who raised us on lies, deceit, and debt-based pseudo money, money in which there is no safety, no real wealth, and no security.

The problem is that it is them - and others like them - to whom we gave the license to form our picture of the world. We believe it when they say that this country's fortune depends on its financial structure. We believe them when they say that a direct threat on their financial institutions and system is a direct threat on America itself.

But that ain't so.

Can you think back to the winter of 1995-96 when the Repugnicans shut down the federal government for a month or so by not agreeing to funding requests that would keep feeding the federal leviathan so they could put political pressure on Dumbocrats - and then whimped out?

Can you recall one instance back then in which this federal government shutdown actually changed your life for one iota while it lasted?

Unless you were a federal worker or depended on social security, you couldn't even tell that this supposedly oh so powerful force in our lives was no longer operating - unless you were glued to the TV screen every night. I challenge you to name one single instance in which this shutdown has even touched your life back then. I'll bet you can't find one.

It's the same thing with our financial system - if enough people have enough gold to live on and circulate it, and if the things we buy every day are priced in gold, we won't even know it if the banks turn belly-up

Let the entire financial infrastructure of the West go up in flames, and you won't know it - if people have real gold to use.

Of course, nobody has any, so it will be a catastrophe of the highest order. But if people had any sense left in them - especially now where they can see that gold is going higher and higher, year after year, and has already thrown off the shackles that formerly tied its price to a sinking dollar/rising euro scenario - they would buy gold.

If people had any sense in them, they would buy only gold bullion. Physical gold. The stuff that makes your pockets heavy when you carry it. That's what sensible people will buy.

Not gold stocks. You can't take gold stocks to the store to buy bread and butter.

Not gold ETF shares. Same problem. They're worthless when it comes push to shove.

Not gold options to make you a "fast buck." That buck is so fast, you'll never see it when the phony financial structure of the West melts down.

So, will it melt down, then?

Due to our own documented neglect, the answer to that lies now in the hands of our enemies from without - handed to them on a silver platter by our enemies within: the banker-bred architects of corporate "Amerika."

So, if and when the attack comes, are you going to be a patriot to "Amerika" - or to your true country?

Are you going to support the phony money printers and brokers, and the legislative farce they had their politician friends build around them to protect their rear ends? Will you trust their empty promises? Or will you trust the one thing that has been the bedrock of economic value no matter what any human ever said or did throughout most of recorded history?

It's a choice you may have to make very, very soon. The city is surrounded, and they are rolling up the catapults. It won't be long before the first volleys hit our defenses, and our defenses have "feet of clay" as we noted.

On the other hand, a closer look at what props up America's foreign enemies reveals feet of clay that haven't even been hardened in fire yet. They're made of mud. Their supposedly ominous 'strength' relies on even more deception and illusion than that of our own corporate leaders.

Case in point: The revealing look China's current copper-trading crisis offers to anyone who cares to point his eyes in that direction.

Here is an article everyone should read on that subject. In short: The Chinese economic miracle is possible only because the Chicoms have erected a wall of secrecy around its inner makings. A revealing commentary on its lack of real substance is presented by the fact that Chinese stocks have been languishing and even dropping, all the while the world marveled at China's "economic miracle."

I wrote before that China's wonder-economy is based on all-out money printing and bad-loan-forgiving by government decree, just so that normal market forces wouldn't push its new class of incompetent "entrepreneurs" into bankruptcy - which is where they would have to go if they were forced to operate under anything resembling a sane lending environment.

Now, that the world is putting pressure on China to let its currency "float", the Chicoms engage in some window dressing, declaring all over their news media that they are "cleaning up" their bad loan portfolio by arresting regulatory nepotists and lending-scoundrels of all shades and sizes..

Nobody knows if that is true or not. Nobody knows what the real bad loan figures are. The flow of information is totally controlled in a communist state. They could be lying their asses off and we would never find out - except for the dismal performance of the Shanghai stock exchange.

Russia , likewise, is an information-controlled environment. You think our news media stink? Try living over there. Their media remain under a constant threat of a state-initiated shutdown. The only difference in the way Putin is handling his mafia buddies (who now own the Russian media) versus how Breznev handled Isvestia and Pravda (back when the same crowd controlled everything in the name of 'communism'), is the length of the leash they are on (which, by the way, is also the only thing that differentiates our media from Russian's: The length of the leash.)

Do you believe Russians, Chinese, and Muslims are going to use their newly bought gold to usher in a new era of individual sovereignty, peace, and economic security in their respective spheres of influence? Ha! I got news for you, brother.

Here is a question everyone should ask themselves: America's enemies are now openly buying gold as a direct attack on US financial institutions. Is your buying of gold therefore a way to play into the hands of our enemies? Not at all. On the other side of the coin, though, not buying physical gold (or continuing to chase after a quick buck through buying phony gold-substitutes) is a dead-sure way of playing into the hands of our domestic enemies.

By the same token, if we don't buy gold, our enemies' attacks will be lethal to us as well, not just to our phony financial system. So, it is not buying gold that ultimately plays into the hands of America's enemies' - no matter which side of our borders they happen to be on.

Think about it.

Got gold?

Alex Wallenwein
Editor, Publisher
The Euro vs Dollar Currency War Monitor

Although I agree with the general premise of that article that the United States is headed towards being a second world country, and that creditor debt in conjunction with the gradual repeal of bankruptcy rights is creating a virtual enslavement of a substantive segment of the populace, I can tell you that this article is a little kooky.

I used to be a commodity broker. From that time, I can tell you that there are all kinds of people who have a weird thing about gold-we called them "goldbugs". I don't want to delve too deeply into that article, but I can tell you that that the price of gold is rising in part because the price of EVERY commodity is rising-largely because one of the largest groups of people on the planet (Chinese-I think that goes without saying) are rising up out of poverty and coming into their own.

Personally, when I come into some money, I'm thinking to put it into foreign government bonds..........I haven't researched the subject too much, but I strongly suspect that for example, Switzerland, Sweden, etc have a stable base, and don't have massive defecits.

The article should be on a different forum, or better yet forgotten entirely. Reports of America's demise have been popular for years now and all have one thing in common... they've all been wrong.

Never forget that no matter how inept America's leadership is and no matter how clumsy our government may work, the governments and leaders of the world's other nations are rarely better.

Guys,

Sinanju Master and myself have been discussing price structuring in the prices section. After using SM's formula my calculations indicated that the amount of money needed to entice a non-pro falls around $431.25. It can be inferred from the fact that AW often request help with rent or car payments as the price for their sexual favors that this amount is indeed quite accurate. If any of you have experiences of getting AW pussy from non-pros for approximately that amount please share your stories.

Thank you,
CM

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Guys,

Sinanju Master and myself have been discussing price structuring in the prices section. After using SM's formula my calculations indicated that the amount of money needed to entice a non-pro falls around $431.25. It can be inferred from the fact that AW often request help with rent or car payments as the price for their sexual favors that this amount is indeed quite accurate. If any of you have experiences of getting AW pussy from non-pros for approximately that amount please share your stories.

Thank you,
CM[/QUOTE]I never bothered to add it up, but heres' a rough idea how much my 2.5 relationship cost me:

Total Days missed at work - 3 at about $70 per day in those days.

One day includes a trip to the abortion clinic.

$210

She worked while I built a start up company, so for one year she paid everything but the car payment and Direct TV/Internet.

$490.63x10 months= $4906.30

I paid the down and first 8 payments on her car.

$1700+2689.60 = $4389.60

At the end of the relationship, she took -

$100 RCA HiFi VCR
$150 Jensen 10 Disc Change
$200 Cold Air Intake for the car
$100 Exhaust Muffler
$100 ATI All In Wonder PC video card

Total: $650

So maybe it evens out a bit, but when she moved out of the apartment I had to make her pay her half of the rent for that month since its pro-rated. That also forced me to buy another car, which cost me another $3500.

So I would agree with you average.

CM, I was thinking maybe for AW's (I sure as hell wouldn't waste my time with them) the formula would have to be fine tuned through stealth. When you're chatting up your target, ask her about herself (be sure to ask about her job and how long she's been there). If one has done his research, he can come up with an approximate salary for her chosen field and execute the formula (in general) FROM THERE.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Guys,

Sinanju Master and myself have been discussing price structuring in the prices section. After using SM's formula my calculations indicated that the amount of money needed to entice a non-pro falls around $431.25. It can be inferred from the fact that AW often request help with rent or car payments as the price for their sexual favors that this amount is indeed quite accurate. If any of you have experiences of getting AW pussy from non-pros for approximately that amount please share your stories.

Thank you,

CM[/QUOTE]Hey Buddy,

Don't take this the wrong way, but if you end up paying > $400 for non-pro pussy then you are doing something drastically wrong.

I make it a point to not pay for a damn thing, or go Dutch, UNTIL I am banging a girl.

Giving girls money before they give you their bodies is sending them the wrong message.

I suggest you read some stuff about becoming a pick-up artist.

SM,

American women would not be my first choice either, but I realize that many guys are not willing or able to get on a flight to go nail some international pussy. Most young guys are still stuck in the old model of trying to impress their way into the pussy. Frankly, I think that they can be doing better things with their money. However, I notice that I can get "freebies" from Latina chicks in the US relatively easily as long I avoid the metro areas where everyone concentrates on the glitz and glitter. It may have a lot to do with the fact that I make more than the average guy in my age group though I don't advertise that it, I guess it's not hard for women to figure out how much you make if they know your profession.

Of course, one cannot simply get rid of these women the next day as it is not a P4P deal. I don't waste my time taking these girls out or anything of that nature. If I happen to notice one who shows more than passing interest in me during the course of my daily activities I simply ask if I can spend some time with her the next time I happen to be in town. Most of the time I have read them right and they agree. I keep the target range between 19-24 yrs of age, anything more than that and they tend to be looking for The One. Another factor I use in deciding if I should ask is whether or not the girl appears to be totally absorbed in mainstream American culture.

However, I am interested in finding out if there is an amount that ordinary AW would accept to do the deed sans physical attraction and youth being on the man's side. I know they would go for a rich guy in an instant in the hopes of getting 50% or more of everything but I am sure that there is also a percentage of their income that they are willing to accept up front in return for their favors. AW often decide whether or not they're going to give a guy pussy based on what he spends on dinner and gifts, therefore one should be able to cut through the nonsense and make a straight deal.

James,

You make some interesting points. The whole American woman dilemma is due to far more than simply women and their bad attitudes, unrealistic expectations, greed and other shenanigans. It involves the legal system that enables and rewards the behavior, the society that condones it, the culture of materialism and the men who tolerate an antiquated system of female privilege while trying to establish a modern system based on gender equality.

One cannot claim that the sexes are equal in the US when women still expect men to pay for their dinner simply because they are women. Men are expected to be the ones to ask women out, yet women cry about being harassed by men in the same breath. Men are expected to do the heavy work and to offer assistance to women without being asked. Women keep the stereotype of being a "gentleman" alive when it suits them. The term these days seems to signify being a dog to a woman's whim and encouraging her laziness.

It is true that differences exist among American women in regards to their behavior when one considers geographic location, demographic group, ethnic background and education level, etc. However, the system in general remains constant. "Hate group" is a rather strong and misleading name for this section. I seriously doubt that anyone here harbors feelings of hostility against women simply because they are American. The resentment in this section stems largely from injustices that American men have suffered at the hands of their women who often use or mis-use the legal system and men's tendency to cater to them. Marriage and fatherhood is still a highly risky and ruinous endeavour for men in the US. There are many postings in this section that recount individual experiences in regard to the matter at hand.

Any man in the US considering taking things further than casual dating will find that the way is fraught with perils. The overwhelming interest of American men in traveling abroad to meet women is driven by more than the prospect of submissive young flesh for five dollars.