American Women

10 November 2007
From New Scientist Print Edition

EVEN climate change cannot escape the gender wars. Now Swedish men are being blamed for having a disproportionately large impact on global warming.

The finger is squarely pointed at men in "A study on gender equality as a prerequisite for sustainable development" by Gerd Johnsson-Latham of the Swedish Ministry of Sustainable Development. She concludes: "The fact that women travel less than men, measured in person-kilometres per car, plane, boat and motorcycle - means that women cause considerably fewer carbon dioxide emissions than men, and thus considerably less climate change." She notes that 60 per cent of car emissions are created by the 10 per cent of drivers who use roads the most, and that men account for three-quarters of car driving in Sweden.

Women do not escape censure, however. The report notes that in Sweden, women spend four times as much as men on consumer goods and - in a further dig at men, albeit unintended - 20 times as much on hygiene products.

Don't kid yourself, marriage is a rapidly dying institution in the USA. More and more people in Western countries are not getting married and its not surprising why this has happened.

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]Don't kid yourself, marriage is a rapidly dying institution in the USA. More and more people in Western countries are not getting married and its not surprising why this has happened.[/QUOTE]
Here is an article published a few days ago that encourages young men to neither get married nor have children.

I wonder if Dr. Stephen Baskerville is a fellow monger?

[url]http://www.americandaily.com/article/20896[/url]

Marriage is a foundation of civilized life. No advanced civilization has ever existed without the married, two-parent family. Those who argue that our civilization needs healthy marriages to survive are not exaggerating.

And yet I cannot, in good conscience, urge young men to marry today. For many men (and some women), marriage has become nothing less than a one-way ticket to jail. Even the New York Times has reported on how easily “the divorce court leads to a jail cell,” mostly for men. In fact, if I have one urgent piece of practical advice for young men today it is this: Do not marry and do not have children.

Spreading this message may also, in the long run, be the most effective method of saving marriage as an institution. For until we understand that the principal threat to marriage today is not cultural but political, and that it comes not from homosexuals but from heterosexuals, we will never reverse the decline of marriage. The main destroyer of marriage, it should be obvious, is divorce. Michael McManus of Marriage Savers points out that “divorce is a far more grievous blow to marriage than today’s challenge by gays.” The central problem is the divorce laws.

It is well known that half of all marriages end in divorce. But widespread misconceptions lead many to believe it cannot happen to them. Many conscientious people think they will never be divorced because they do not believe in it. In fact, it is likely to happen to you whether you wish it or not.

First, you do not have to agree to the divorce or commit any legal transgression. Under “no-fault” divorce laws, your spouse can divorce you unilaterally without giving any reasons. The judge will then grant the divorce automatically without any questions.

But further, not only does your spouse incur no penalty for breaking faith; she can actually profit enormously. Simply by filing for divorce, your spouse can take everything you have, also without giving any reasons. First, she will almost certainly get automatic and sole custody of your children and exclude you from them, without having to show that you have done anything wrong. Then any unauthorized contact with your children is a crime. Yes, for seeing your own children you will be subject to arrest.

There is no burden of proof on the court to justify why they are seizing control of your children and allowing your spouse to forcibly keep you from them. The burden of proof (and the financial burden) is on you to show why you should be allowed to see your children.

The divorce industry thus makes it very attractive for your spouse to divorce you and take your children. (All this earns money for lawyers whose bar associations control the careers of judges.) While property divisions and spousal support certainly favor women, the largest windfall comes through the children. With custody, she can then demand “child support” that may amount to half, two-thirds, or more of your income. (The amount is set by committees consisting of feminists, lawyers, and enforcement agents – all of whom have a vested interest in setting the payments as high as possible.) She may spend it however she wishes. You pay the taxes on it, but she gets the tax deduction.

You could easily be left with monthly income of a few hundreds dollars and be forced to move in with relatives or sleep in your car. Once you have sold everything you own, borrowed from relatives, and maximized your credit cards, they then call you a “deadbeat dad” and take you away in handcuffs. You are told you have “abandoned” your children and incarcerated without trial.

Evidence indicates that, as men discover all this, they have already begun an impromptu marriage "strike": refusing to marry or start families, knowing they can be criminalized if their wife files for divorce. "Have anti-father family court policies led to a men's marriage strike?" ask Glenn Sacks and Dianna Thompson in the Philadelphia Enquirer. In Britain, fathers tour university campuses warning young men not to start families. In his book, From Courtship to Courtroom, Attorney Jed Abraham concludes that the only protection for men to avoid losing their children and everything else is not to start families in the first place.

Is it wise to disseminate such advice? If people stop marrying, what will become of the family and our civilization?

Marriage is already all but dead, legally speaking, and divorce is the principal reason. The fall in the Western birth rate is directly connected with divorce law.

It is also likely that same-sex marriage is being demanded only because of how heterosexuals have already debased marriage through divorce law. “The world of no-strings heterosexual hookups and 50% divorce rates preceded gay marriage,” advocate Andrew Sullivan points out. “All homosexuals are saying...is that, under the current definition, there’s no reason to exclude us. If you want to return straight marriage to the 1950s, go ahead. But until you do, the exclusion of gays is simply an anomaly – and a denial of basic civil equality.”

We will not restore marriage by burying our heads in the sand; nor simply by preaching to young people to marry, as the Bush administration’s government therapy programs now do. The way to restore marriage as an institution in which young people can place their trust, their children, and their lives is to make it an enforceable contract. We urgently need a national debate about divorce, child custody, and the terms under which the government can forcibly sunder the bonds between parents and their children. We owe it to future generations, if there are to be any.

Stephen Baskerville, Ph.D.

I think the guy's fulla shit. The first sentence he opens up with is already BS.

The ancient Greeks and Romans had families but NOTHING like the way we envision them today. They were pretty fucking far from monogamous.

hi all,

I have spent 2 years mongering with colombianas in st maarten, once or twice a week, usually 3 girls per day. Cost is $40-$45 for 20 to 30 minutes CFS. DFK and BBBJ and other GFE is not common unless you repeat with the same girl, say about 20% BBBJ on the first visit (this is important to me). They have to session with at least 3 guys per day to pay their costs, at least 6 to make any money. An hour session costs $60 TO $100.

in this high volume brothel environment, it took me a long time to work out a scheme for eliciting GFE: give massages, bring latin music wiith me on my ipod to play in their room, give small gifts like CDs, and a few other tricks.

after fine tuning my strategy for 2 years I spent 12 weeks in the USA.

Yikes! Very few Colombian women when I was located. Smallish town (100,000 people).

For similar comfort and safety level, I decided I could only go with escorts that had been in business for a while. And they wanted about $300 for an hour. At first this seemed outrageously expensive versus $100, but when I compared the level of regular salaries in colombia with USA, $300 is actually aoout right to entice girls into the work.

I visited with about 20 girls in my small town and 3 in a large city nearby (where I used the most prestiguous agency recommended on some US boards).

My conclusions:

1. in small towns, the sex workers tend to be less beautiful than in the large city, for same price. this makes sense, not as great a population to draw on for workers and clients. many were older (mid 30s or more), or had some weight on them, or were skinny. didn't run into any obvious druggies at this price level. the colombian girls that come to st maarten average younger and cuter, but not by that much. the real stunners stay home in colombia. and the girls I visited in the big city were very good looking and gave great service.

2. 90% of the girls offered BBBJ without even being asked.

3. I used the same exact strategy on American workers as Colombians. Romantic music, massages for their sore backs and feet, small gifts, etc The results were very good. I had great sex with almost every one. The two best looking ones were not that great (one was 18 and had only been in the business a few days and the other was a brazilian with the best body i have ever touched, but not much sexual skill). In spite of my american friend's gloomy predicitons, I got the same reaction from American girls as Colombian. GFE service.

4. Unlike with latina girls, there was no jealousy or attempts to make me their exclusive "boyfriend". That was a relief.

So american working women are not so bad. (I have also mongered in German FKK clubs and in Singapore and in the Phillipines).

-zing

Yeah but in Colombia you could get the same woman for 1/10 of what you would pay in the US, whereas they earn in the bigger cities maybe 1/5 of what you'd earn in the US.

I wouldn't say Colombian WGs offer a better GFE than American WGs though, In my experience they are pretty much neck and neck. Brazilians (IN BRAZIL) are far and away above both of them for that.

[QUOTE=Zing23]hi all,

I have spent 2 years mongering with colombianas in st maarten, once or twice a week, usually 3 girls per day. Cost is $40-$45 for 20 to 30 minutes CFS. DFK and BBBJ and other GFE is not common unless you repeat with the same girl, say about 20% BBBJ on the first visit (this is important to me). They have to session with at least 3 guys per day to pay their costs, at least 6 to make any money. An hour session costs $60 TO $100.

in this high volume brothel environment, it took me a long time to work out a scheme for eliciting GFE: give massages, bring latin music wiith me on my ipod to play in their room, give small gifts like CDs, and a few other tricks.

after fine tuning my strategy for 2 years I spent 12 weeks in the USA.

Yikes! Very few Colombian women when I was located. Smallish town (100,000 people).

For similar comfort and safety level, I decided I could only go with escorts that had been in business for a while. And they wanted about $300 for an hour. At first this seemed outrageously expensive versus $100, but when I compared the level of regular salaries in colombia with USA, $300 is actually aoout right to entice girls into the work.

I visited with about 20 girls in my small town and 3 in a large city nearby (where I used the most prestiguous agency recommended on some US boards).

My conclusions:

1. in small towns, the sex workers tend to be less beautiful than in the large city, for same price. this makes sense, not as great a population to draw on for workers and clients. many were older (mid 30s or more), or had some weight on them, or were skinny. didn't run into any obvious druggies at this price level. the colombian girls that come to st maarten average younger and cuter, but not by that much. the real stunners stay home in colombia. and the girls I visited in the big city were very good looking and gave great service.

2. 90% of the girls offered BBBJ without even being asked.

3. I used the same exact strategy on American workers as Colombians. Romantic music, massages for their sore backs and feet, small gifts, etc The results were very good. I had great sex with almost every one. The two best looking ones were not that great (one was 18 and had only been in the business a few days and the other was a brazilian with the best body i have ever touched, but not much sexual skill). In spite of my american friend's gloomy predicitons, I got the same reaction from American girls as Colombian. GFE service.

4. Unlike with latina girls, there was no jealousy or attempts to make me their exclusive "boyfriend". That was a relief.

So american working women are not so bad. (I have also mongered in German FKK clubs and in Singapore and in the Phillipines).

-zing[/QUOTE]

Shouldn't this post belong on the Short Term broad?

hey, I was just reporting what I experienced in America. I was surprised how good the service was, given all the doom and gloom stories from my friends. Perhaps they were shopping at a lower price point! I wasn't necessarily saying was better value, but sometimes travelling mongers don't factor in the cost of vacation days lost, air tickets, hotels, etc. when computing the cost per hour with a girl.

World wide the most spectacular GFE I ever experienced was in the FKK clubs of germany, with a price significantly less than $300 per hour, even with the low $.

-zing

Daddy not so dearest

Australian men's groups are calling for mandatory paternity testing of all newborns as it emerges a record number of men are finding they are not the fathers of children they believed to be theirs.

Almost a quarter of paternity tests conducted by one of Australia's largest DNA laboratory companies show the man submitting a sample is not the father, compared to an estimated one in 10 "exclusions" 10 years ago.
The number of tests taken in Australia has doubled from 3000 in 2003 to more than 6000 last year.
Thousands of men are turning to DIY testing kits - available online - to discover whether they are the biological father while they are still in a relationship and without telling their partners about their suspicions.
Some have brought up children to adulthood or paid tens of thousands of dollars in maintenance to the Child Support Agency (CSA) before finding out they have no genetic link.
Australian Men's Rights Agency co-director Sue Price said: "People's lives are being ruined by this. It is not just the men, it's the children who grow up thinking one person is their father and then find out it's someone else.
"In the future, more and more health treatments are going to be based on genetic technology, so it is going to be even more important to know who your biological father is.
"Mandatory testing would get rid of all these problems."
The DNA Bio Services lab conducts more than 2000 such tests a year from the sale of its DIY kits.
New 2007 figures compiled by the company show that one in 4.5 paternity tests exclude the man as the biological father - a record high since DNA testing began 10 years ago. Managing director Gary Miller said: "The increase is across all social classes and ages - it affects everyone.
"Before, a lot of the work was for men who had been contacted by a woman or the CSA for maintenance and wanted a test to prove they weren't the father.
"Now we see a lot of men in a relationship or just out of one who are just looking for reassurance that they are the father and then find out they're not and are completely devastated."
Under Australian law, the family courts will only order a paternity test if there are reasonable grounds to doubt that the estranged partner is not the biological father.
The CSA does not require proof of paternity beyond a birth certificate or acceptance by a man that he is the father. This means some men pay tens of thousands of dollars through the CSA before finding out they are not the father.
Even if they have brought the children up for years as their own, they are then denied any legal rights of access to them.
Some experts say the proportion of negative paternity tests reflects the fact that the men coming forward already have reasonable doubts, and that of the entire population, only 1 per cent of fathers are not the "real" parent.
Professor Margaret Otlowski, deputy director of the University of Tasmania's Centre for Law and Genetics, said: "I don't think mandatory testing is a good idea.
"I can see the argument from the point of view of creating certainty about parentage, but it would stem from a very suspicious premise and there would be huge implications in terms of relationships."


[url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/4278228a19716.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Zing23]hey, I was just reporting what I experienced in America. I was surprised how good the service was, given all the doom and gloom stories from my friends. Perhaps they were shopping at a lower price point! I wasn't necessarily saying was better value, but sometimes travelling mongers don't factor in the cost of vacation days lost, air tickets, hotels, etc. when computing the cost per hour with a girl.

World wide the most spectacular GFE I ever experienced was in the FKK clubs of germany, with a price significantly less than $300 per hour, even with the low $.

-zing[/QUOTE]


No Problem and I don't discount local vs overseas...

All I can go on is this -

Its been said before but I visited a LPN in Nevada and was quoted $700 for unlimited positions and as many "pops" I can have without clock watching but I would assume that would be an hour. I also assume CBJ, No Anal and more than likely some limited movement.

Compare that to flying to Europe in the off-season which currently is much less than $700 US R/T from LAX. Where if you economize, you can get $70US in a Germany FKK and get everything but Anal (in 1/2 hr) and it can vary from pretty darn good to outstanding GFE.

I got GFE once, ripped off another time and PSE another time. Between that, it was RLD "Quickies" and by the end of my 10 day stay in Frankfurt, I was basically tired of fucking...

All for about $600US at the time I went (this pass summer)

Locally, my goodness, you can't get that kind of value at any price, unless you go down to Mexico.

I'm not saying your experience is on the level of "Even a Blind Squirrel can find a nut" mentality I'm was just pointing out that maybe your experince would be best shared in the STR forum as I believe the main focus of this forum is American Women for LTR and why that's such a BAD IDEA.

[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]Yeah but in Colombia you could get the same woman for 1/10 of what you would pay in the US, whereas they earn in the bigger cities maybe 1/5 of what you'd earn in the US.

I wouldn't say Colombian WGs offer a better GFE than American WGs though, In my experience they are pretty much neck and neck. Brazilians (IN BRAZIL) are far and away above both of them for that.[/QUOTE]

The big cities in Brazil are EXPENSIVE, and I don't think good Brazilian women are in any way easy, they have no problems marrying a good husband from their own country at all. I have run into large groups of students in Australia who come from Brazil, these people are obviously from the upper classes, and they are totally nose in air types. These Brazilians are pretty much 90 percent white European, and often have some rather racist attitudes too, Brazil is pretty damn racist, even the most rednecky parts of the Southeast US are nothing in comparison. Rio has reasonable providers but those in Sao Paulo are up in the sky expensive.

I'd just like to point out that while we spend a lot of time complaining about North American women the guys in the countries we go to to get laid are fantasizing about our women.

I've never been to SP but prices I have seen and heard about people paying range from R8 to R800. I think it's more all over the map than Rio is price-wise, but any price point can be found. Can't say I could say for certain what R8 would get ya though, if it's anything you'd wanna touch even with someone else's dick :P

I can GUARANTEE you no Colombian or Brazilian guy is fantasizing about American pussy, especially if they ever spent any time here. It's just so much easier to get laid PERIOD in those countries. Guys that aren't getting any there are not likely to make it to the US and if they get here they aren't getting anywhere near a decent-looking woman I can GUARANTEE you that!

[quote=john pokes]i'd just like to point out that while we spend a lot of time complaining about north american women the guys in the countries we go to to get laid are fantasizing about our women.[/quote]
i agree with bango that it's a laughable notion that guys in south america are fantasizing about western women. maybe they do have a desire to bang certain hollywood celebrities, but how realistic is that?

having said that, i actually have met some *european* guys that do seem to like american women, believe it or not. one was a british guy who was a roomate of mine for a brief period of time in brasil. he had been to the states once before on vacation and apparently he did quite well for himself with aws; according to him, they loved his english accent, and after a spending an evening in the bars he always seemed to pull a "hot bird". keep in mind he was on vacation in florida, so i think that had something to do with it. but he actually was looking to return to the u.s. someday, and was asking me about the best place to meet women in california. i was actually speechless for a moment, since he was asking me this while we were living in brasil! but he really liked aws.

then, when i was in ecuador, i met a swedish guy who had lived in the u.s. for about a year, and he liked aws as well! in addition to having good luck in the bars, he also said he liked the strip clubs in the u.s. and specifically commented that "every city in the u.s. seems to have a strip club, even little towns out in the middle of nowhere". he also mentioned that prostitution in sweden was illegal.

i've never been to europe, so i can't compare women. i would like to point out that both of these guys seemed kind of dumb to me, so i never really put much value to what they said. maybe it's just the concept of leaving one sex prison for another, since the uk and sweden both seem repressive when it comes to sex, much like america.

or maybe, our women in america are opening their legs for every guy that crosses the atlantic?

[QUOTE=John Pokes]I'd just like to point out that while we spend a lot of time complaining about North American women the guys in the countries we go to to get laid are fantasizing about our women.[/QUOTE]

I agree........Unfortunately most guys overseas assume wrongly that all AW here look like the women portrayed in the Hollywood movies. A complete falsehood IMHO.