American Women

What you have described is Social Darwinism at its most extreme. And, unfortunately, from my vantage point anyway, so much of what you say is absolutely right, especially relating to NA women. As a small example, I see buses going by daily with huge advertisements on the side about family violence, and, of course, who is 100% of the time at fault in any situation? I have never seen an ad counselling a father against his son or daughter, who could easily beat him up and/or steal from him, or abusive wives, of which there are plenty.

What you say equally applies to 3rd world women as well. From my position, I live in a city where a man is absolutely nothing but an ATM machine to these stuckup bitches, so I am left with the ultimate Hobbsian choice:
a) go after one here, and expect to get taken to the cleaners
b) swear off sex altogether
c) accept reality, fly to Latin America, and pay for it, but at least get some attention.

Given my age and financial situation, I can at least afford to do c), and have a pretty nice novia down in Medellin, and am willing to help her out, as well as hit the casas on a regular basis, something that absolutely will not happen here. But it is our fault, the north american male, who has abdicated responsibility and power to all others, and will be left to die within the next few generations.

I think it was said best by a black cop who stopped me in NYC in the 70s and proceeded to illegally search my car. I asked, "What about my rights?" and he said, "You keep whining about your rights and I'll give you so many rights you'll beg me just for a left" and kept searching. He didn't find anything but I never forgot that I was in a bad neighborhood looking for dope and so had sort of voluntarily waived a lot of my rights.

So maybe women's rights will be more successful when women's rights are better than men's lefts? Not advocating violence here but it is what it is. Have a look at marriage. It essentially amounts to waiving many constitutional rights, such as the right not to shave on weekends, the right to pour beer on your corn flakes in the morning, the right to strange pussy, and many other rights men have fought and died for over the years. However with rights come responsibilities so we have the responsibility not to fall for this shit and to monger as necessary.

European and Latin and Asian cultures have no problem understanding the concept that a powerful man will have many women, and should. AW and similar want to turn stallions into geldings. It's not going to be a successful long-term strategy from an evolutionary standpoint.

gentlemen:

eliot spitzer, also known as “client 9” is a classic example of the american male. he condemned and prosecuted prostitution. he worked with women’s rights organizations to put johns behind bars and on sex offender registries. yet, behind the scenes he himself was a voracious consumer in the flesh trade. while the majority of american guys don’t go to such extremes they nod in agreement when feminists voice their opinions. they declare other males guilty in domestic disputes before the case even goes to trial without even knowing the facts. one of the most popular ways women get their lovers to kill their husbands is by making up a very provocative tale about domestic abuse. so, yes, american men have created quite a mess for themselves. at the least they are complicit in relinquishing their rights. they keep shut when women’s rights, children’s rights, gay rights and animal rights are promoted at the cost of men’s rights. funny isn’t it that men have died to protect these freedoms that feminists and others are claiming rights to but men’s rights are the least of their concerns.

mongering is an alternative to the current institutions that exist in north america but it isn’t a solution by itself. we can’t just run off and get laid in foreign countries while ignoring the growing mess at home. the feminists have shown themselves quite capable of reaching beyond international borders. they have used government and ngos as vehicles to propagate their ideology abroad and have managed to deal significant blows to the prostitution industry abroad. some of their other major victories include imbra.

it’s time for men to take a stand. this means rejecting the current paradigm for male female relationships at home. the first step is to reject marriage completely. this is one of women’s greatest and easiest wealth building strategies. instead of signing off on the automatic transfer of wealth to women, men need to force them to use all the college degrees that they’re earning to make a living instead of sitting at home or taking up lower pressure employment. thanks to modern technology, neither marriage nor a girlfriend is needed to enjoy fatherhood and family life. if you want kids without the baggage of alimony or child support only two things are needed. find an egg donor and a surrogate mother. you can find a donor with all the genetic characteristics and predispositions you would desire in your offspring. this is something extremely difficult if not impossible to do via tradition means except for some societies where family medical history is researched as part of the matchmaking process. the use of a surrogate mother for the gestation of the egg(s) from the donor erases all legal claims to your biological offspring by other parties. they are yours to raise as you see fit. if you have sons send them to the best schools for boys only. this will eliminate the distraction of girls. it will also eliminate the tendency of teachers to praise and encourage girls over boys in coed settings.

other small steps for you but great steps for mankind include making women pay for their own meals and drinks. north american women claim that they don’t believe in paid sex and that they are independent. it is high time that they be held to that standard. if paying for pussy is wrong, then paying for a woman’s company at a restaurant, bar or nightclub is also wrong. protest sexist ads depicting men as child molesters or domestic abusers. if tax dollars or charitable donations were used in their production, write to the institutions responsible expressing your disgust. write to businesses that depict men in a negative light and refuse to do business with them. let’s start with brinks/broadview security. they have a string of ads showing men as potential [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127][CodeWord127][/url], burglars and abusers.

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gentlemen, here we have 5 individual instances of a business blatantly portraying men as criminals and women and children as their victims for financial gain. why are we allowing this to happen in our country? if a company targeted women or children for this kind of negative campaign there would be outrage. their stock would soon be worth less than toilet paper. they say that you can run but you can’t hide. well, you can monger but if you keep ignoring what is happening at home you’ll soon find yourself not being able to even do that.

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I'm all for the idea of ending marriage as an institution. I don't think it serves ANYONE in the long run. We need to look at better ways of raising our kids.

I couldn't agree more with what your saying overall. The way men are depicted in the media is worrying. Young girls see that and expect the worst. I didn't look at the Broadview ads as you look at them. But seeing them from your point of view is eye opening.

This depicts men as the only aggressors in relationships when that is not the case at all.

I will say it doesn't help in America when men like Bart Stupak are trying to add an anti-abortion stance into a health care bill, almost totally derailing it.

As Born Looser said there are men working against our interest too, lining up with large predatory banks and the Catholic Church.

I don't think men try to beat old age loneliness with long term relationships nor have children just so they can take care of them in old age. At least that's not now I look at it.

So I kinda agree with BC, it just has to be re-tooled, not blown apart.

As the saying goes around here -

That's less likely to happen with an AW (but not impossible), becoming less likely with Western European Women, but you still have an opening in Eastern Europe, Asia and South America.

Here is a site that every male on this thread needs to be acquainted with.

This guy gets it LOL!

[url]http://www.nomarriage.com/[/url]

[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33907426/ns/today-today_people/?GT1=43001[/url]

[QUOTE=Jwdub]Here is a site that every male on this thread needs to be acquainted with.

This guy gets it LOL!

[url]http://www.nomarriage.com/[/url][/QUOTE]

I agree with most of that page, however there is the other side of that coin. I am not defending AW, what I am saying is that I believe some men shouldn't be allowed to pick who they marry and some women shouldn't be allowed to pick who they marry, its simple.

There are matches for everyone, the object, the key, whatever is to FIND that person.

While there are maybe 80% of marriages with those problems outlined here, there and everywhere, there is still 20% without those problems. What you have to do is increase your odds.

If your intention is marriage, treat it like the biggest business/personal transaction of your life BECAUSE IT IS!

You pay attention to every word spoken, every move made, every action, everything.

See what these men never got was a women that thought of YOU way before she thought of herself. Don't you understand how love works? Your mother loves you, would cut her arm off if it meant you could have an arm

That is NO DIFFERENT. Go on Huffington Post, there's a woman that gave up her sight so her daughter could see. That is love, that is the woman you marry. Anything less than that and you'll end up with pain.

Now if you need less than that, then just marry anybody, if she's not a selfish ***** she'll sign a ironclad pre-nup without hesitation.

If she won't sign it, A) she's a ***** B) she's worthless

I don't understand how people accept LESS just not be alone. That's ridiculous!

I can be alone, I don't mind it. It doesn't bother me really. I have friends, when I choose to be around them, I am. What P4P is, what this site is founded on (partly) is that you are just satisfying a sexual desire that can't be quelled with Porn or Masturbation. That is a human connection all of us need. Now what's HARD to attain is a connection that doesn't require a monetary transaction.

When a connection is made, urges can break it. You are a human being, you can function just fine without drugs, drinking or anything else. When you break down humanity or the things we share with other mammals is an emotional connection with another mammal, strong enough to produce offspring.

If you can't break your urge to have sex with strange women, you are not meant to be in a monogamous relationship, simple as that.

I have no desire to be with multiple women, I want ONE woman. So my job is to see that mission through. However that does not mean I should go around being without human contact sexually, like what American Culture expects you to do, that's the Puritanical foundation of this once proud (well not really) nation.

A lot of the problems with marriage have to do with two major factors. The first factor is that marriage was created to secure transfers of property and alliances between families. The second factor is the fact that women still see marriage as a means of having property transferred to them but lead men to believe that they want marriage for romantic reasons. Men still see marriage as a means of obtaining sex, female companionship, love and someone to care for them and their offspring. Most men haven’t gotten out of thinking of marriage in a traditional framework. There have been changes made to the institution of marriage like no fault divorce, property division, child custody and judgment in the female’s favor by default. Men haven’t quite adapted to these changes on a large scale. So when a woman feeds a bunch of bullshit to a man about being in love and wanting him to make a dishonest woman of her, he falls for it. He’s thinking love and sex while she’s thinking big pay day and how she can finally stop dieting.

If a man would stop thinking with his dipstick for a moment he would see that a marriage contract holds nothing for him but financial loss and emotional distress. If he has nothing to lose then marriage is great for him. The problem for him though is that women don’t want men with nothing to lose. They want a many with a lot to lose, the more the better. I know that some of you are out there thinking that you’ll just be a good boy and things will work out just fine, right? Well, you’ll discover that married women are jealous, controlling, emotionally volatile creatures. They’ll make your life less enjoyable each opportunity they get. We all have to make compromises but who wants to compromise the most intimate details of their life for decades? When you combine that with the American man’s waiving of his rights you’ve got a real recipe for disaster. Forget about importing a foreign wife. These women are only timid in their home countries because the men there have about ten lefts for every right that a woman has. When you visit there to monger you’re just piggybacking off of this system that the local men have in place. Once she gets to America and realizes that she has more rights and that you have neither rights nor lefts your ass will be in deep trouble.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]A lot of the problems with marriage have to do with two major factors. The first factor is that marriage was created to secure transfers of property and alliances between families. The second factor is the fact that women still see marriage as a means of having property transferred to them but lead men to believe that they want marriage for romantic reasons. Men still see marriage as a means of obtaining sex, female companionship, love and someone to care for them and their offspring. Most men haven’t gotten out of thinking of marriage in a traditional framework. There have been changes made to the institution of marriage like no fault divorce, property division, child custody and judgment in the female’s favor by default. Men haven’t quite adapted to these changes on a large scale. So when a woman feeds a bunch of bullshit to a man about being in love and wanting him to make a dishonest woman of her, he falls for it. He’s thinking love and sex while she’s thinking big pay day and how she can finally stop dieting.

If a man would stop thinking with his dipstick for a moment he would see that a marriage contract holds nothing for him but financial loss and emotional distress. If he has nothing to lose then marriage is great for him. The problem for him though is that women don’t want men with nothing to lose. They want a many with a lot to lose, the more the better. I know that some of you are out there thinking that you’ll just be a good boy and things will work out just fine, right? Well, you’ll discover that married women are jealous, controlling, emotionally volatile creatures. They’ll make your life less enjoyable each opportunity they get. We all have to make compromises but who wants to compromise the most intimate details of their life for decades? When you combine that with the American man’s waiving of his rights you’ve got a real recipe for disaster. Forget about importing a foreign wife. These women are only timid in their home countries because the men there have about ten lefts for every right that a woman has. When you visit there to monger you’re just piggybacking off of this system that the local men have in place. Once she gets to America and realizes that she has more rights and that you have neither rights nor lefts your ass will be in deep trouble.[/QUOTE]

I agree, I agree, I agree -

Marriage in its current form of not an equal division of rights and property.

Yes most American women want a man with "Something". I am not totally sure its because they "want what's coming to them". I think it has more to do with "He'll be able to buy me shit while were dating and buy a big house when were married"

For most AW this would be true and yes I will agree there needs to be a taking back of rights that we have given up in marriage and true advocates of equal rights and civil rights; on both sides would agree, not the knee-jerk reactionary crowd that dominates America.

With all that said, I'll say it again. If you choose to go overseas, then you need to find an intelligent woman. These are women that find typical American Men and American Culture in a word - CRAZY!

You can find these women in America. However they tend not to be the most attractive, as most 9's and 10's feel they have an advantage based on looks alone. Those women can be avoided its easy, they avoid you most of the time anyway, unless your (insert male form popular culture here).

CM - You might not be interested and IF you are, I understand for where you stand. I think there is room for compromise, reasonable compromise...

Maybe not a "10" but an "7" or "8"

Maybe not 18-19 years old, but 27, 28, maybe even 30 years old

I think you can demand she be in shape or at least thin. I don't have a problem with that. Foreign women tend not to have the same relationship with food we do here in the States, I think the only exception might be British and Canadians.

I have only met women that despise "American Culture" (the TV version) and want men that aren't Metrosexual. We have talked about this before. Europe is dominated by Metrosexual men that don't have the traditional value that MANY women overseas want, which is a guy that can fix things, put a woman in her place, BE A MAN! We have said this before about Eastern European Women, they want Men to be Men.

The same can be said for most Western European, Asian and South American women.

Again, what I am saying is I don't disagree it just makes the selection process much, much harder. But I don't think its TOO hard, or impossible nor not worth the effort. Because when you hit on the right combination, you become one of that 10-20% of men in America with a successful marriage and its for all the right reasons.

Whoops -

I'd also add that I would be happy with a civil arrangement, you don't even have to call it "marriage". I just would like to find somebody that is my true love, like one would love their children. That's in unconditional love and CM there are those women out there, rare but their out there.

Key is they don't have "Laundry List" of desires.

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She couldn't just ask for implants huh?

In the court of public opinion she'll basically get off scott-free and call her "creative". Karma and Irony are strange bedfellows...

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The 1# reason why men go to other countries is because AW have not evolved and developed into the hybrids that American Culture requires. In Foreign Women we are seeking a return to traditional values held many (keeping a neat, orderly home, raising children, etc) and maybe (hybridization) doing a part-time job, work from home, etc.

Unfortunately, many men assume this is some sort of "free ride" masquerading as "desiring traditional rolls".

For some that may be true, its your job to flush out the fakers. Which again I don't understand the issue of Foreign women being fluent in English. Does this mean they have had contact with American/Canadian/British/Australian men?

More than likely but that can't be seen as an automatic negative (we're not talking about hookers here) and how many men have dragged women across 3-4 time zones to not be what they said they were? In the Marrying Foreign Women thread, I posted some figures from 2003 and a high percentage of K1's return to their original countries.

It can't be that all Foreign Women return home because they were found out to be some sort of fraud? I personally think if a woman that gone through the consideration and trouble (especially in countries where the US limits their rights to enter) of looking for a Western Man then her intentions are true. What you have do is use a filter. Not every corn kernel is used, not every germ of wheat is used, not even apple is sent to market, you can assume that even a good looking apple has a worm in it...

When there tons of stories, books and news articles about "The Lack of Sex in American Marriages" its already crisis mode. How many 20, even 30something AW do you know that can't even cook? I've stop counting, its pointless. Even many Single Mothers can't cook, subjecting Children to a steady diet of Microwave Dinners and McDonald's, appalling!

As I said before, if your intention (as it is mine) is to find ONE woman, consider it an adventure and enjoy P4P in the meantime, then its on you to do the proper job. If men like to break things down to their simplest forms and solve the problem, then you should look at marriage the same way.

Lastly I'll use my own mother has an example. She has been working since she finished college (1960 with Masters from Georgetown). First as a Nurse and later in Financial Services. She raised two children largely on her own and wasn't struggling at all. When I asked her recently if she still had sex (in a non-direct fashion) with my stepfather, she said no. I asked if she missed it, she said, she used too. I ask what happen and she said that my stepfather who has had back problems since the mid 70's, even disk replacement surgery become uninterested (because of pain) and sex just stopped.

I used to "catch" them when I was younger.

So that right there BLOWS apart the myth that sex stops just because the woman doesn't want to have sex. So I do blame MEN more than Women, your the one that brought into this weird culture that says; you should marry the more demure looking brunette woman than the racy looking blond. Men constantly fool themselves into thinking this will make a more stable relationship.

That's complete bullshit. The problem is you found a woman that just doesn't want to have sex with you period and found a perfect excuse not too - Children

I've seen this pattern time and time again. All three of my co-workers suffer from this. Is this a cause not to have children because your sex life will suffer???

No, complaints are valid I agree and I fully understand. But you "settled" and look what happen. I still think some of these "character flaws" can be detected if your paying attention...

Lots of Argentinean women don't know how to cook either because of the high prevalence of servants even in working-class homes. However there are no sexless marriages here. There may be marriages where the husband and wife aren't fucking [b]each other[/b] but everybody is fucking [b]somebody[/b].

Paraguayan women, though, all know how to cook and love to feed their men. In return they appreciate it if you fuck them quite frequently. This is a win-win situation as far as I can tell. It has also been my experience that women who know how to cook are better in bed then women who do not. My guess is this is true for men as well.

I'm not sure if this belongs to the AW subject, but I think it is related. Since the guy had sex with a horse instead of a woman. The Sex Prison makes some people do these kinda things.

I wonder why he got 3 years, the horse was quiet an adult 21 y.o.:) and seemed to be ok with that.

Although the news also says the horse got an STD from the guy. So the horse's female owner got pissed off.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091105/ap_on_re_us/us_horse_molester[/url]

CONWAY, S.C. – A South Carolina man caught on video having sex with a horse was sentenced Wednesday to three years in prison after pleading guilty for the second time in two years to abusing the creature.

Rodell Vereen was also ordered never to go near the stable where the horse's owner caught him and held him for authorities at shotgun point over the summer. He apologized to the woman and to himself after admitting to buggery at the Horry County courthouse.

"I'm sorry about what I've done. I didn't mean to do it. It's my fault. I'm sorry for what I've done to myself," Vereen said during Wednesday's court hearing.

Vereen was arrested in July after Barbara Kenley caught him entering the barn at Lazy B Stables in Longs, about 20 miles northeast of Myrtle Beach. She had been staking out the stable for more than a week after setting up a surveillance camera and videotaping Vereen's assault on her 21-year-old horse named Sugar.

Kenley said she became suspicious because her horse was acting strange and getting infections, and she noticed things were moved around the barn and dirt was piled up near the horse's stall.

It wasn't the first time she'd caught Vereen. In late 2007, Kenley found him asleep in the hay after assaulting her horse. For that offense, he also pleaded guilty to buggery, received probation and had to register as a sex offender.

On Wednesday, the judge sentenced Vereen to five years in prison, but he will only have to serve three years behind bars as long as he successfully completes two years of probation. Vereen also was ordered to undergo additional mental treatment after he gets out of prison and was told to stay away from Kenley's stable.

Kenley told The Sun News of Myrtle Beach she was mostly happy with the verdict, but wished Vereen had got more prison time.

"I've been through hell for the last year and it's caused a lot of hardship," Kenley told the newspaper. "There's a lot of ridicule and jokes going around about this thing. And a person can only take so much.

Good news for you mongers married to the 25% of AW with no sex drive. :D
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