American Women

I think I like your theory better than mine. "Protecting" young women against the intention of older men to turn them into a domestic slave/baby machine.

Of course these days, "domestic slavery" consists of dropping a load into the washing machine, putting dishes in the dishwasher, taking a quick spin around the living room with a vacuum cleaner, and turning up the heat....instead of scrubbing laundry in wash basin or a river, hand washing dishes, taking a dozen big rugs outside and beating them, stoking a fire, hauling in water from the well.....

And so far as "baby machine" is concerned, I personally maybe want one...like 3-5 years out. Most couples these days, assuming they aren't moronic trailer trash fucktards, have 2.


Good point about the extended adolecence.


B9K

[QUOTE=DJ FourMoney]Kinda unrelated....

But I just got this -

Maybe he forgot I was black?? I was kinda waiting for him to say "I hate them niggas..."
[/QUOTE]

DJ: Can you out the guy who PMed you that racist drivel? People like that need to shamed in public.

The question needs to be asked, though: what sort of, uhhh...'research', did this racist little weasel engage in, that led him to the conclusion that Arab men have bigger dicks than black men??? :)

Rock/Bart/etc,

Don't forget that in the past, women were pretty much chattels - property to be bartered, as in 'I'll trade you that piece of land for my thirteen year old daughter'. Princesses were married off to princes of neighbouring countries to secure additional support in times of war. Young girls were even won in poker games or handed over to pay for their father's debts. Daughters were a liability; an unnecessary and unwanted expense. Why waste heard earned money feeding a daughter - who may come in handy as a bargaining tool, but will otherwise be good for nothing - when you could be fattening up your much more valuable sons? In many societies, women had no titles, no education and no money of their own. They were nothing without a man, be it their father or their husband. They had no option but to go straight from their childhood home to marriage.

These days, women have lots of different options. They have equal access to education, the law and employment opportunities. They don't NEED a man in order to function in society. And with the average life expectancy probably doubling since those days, she knows that she's got plenty of time to enjoy the single life before she needs to think about settling down and raising a family. There's also that little thing called love, that probably didn't factor too much in those earlier marriage arrangements, and with today's women being employed and so much more socially active, they probably have more opportunities to meet, and fall in love with, someone closer to their own age.

And, absolutely no offence intended, what Bart said about 'thinking long term' goes for women as well. If, in her head, an eighteen year old wants to establish her career first and doesn't plan on even considering marriage and children until she's in her mid-thirties, she's going to look at a 30 - 40 year old man and, thinking long term, realise that he could be pushing 50 or 60 by the time she's ready to settle down and start a family. There's also the fact that an older man who hasn't had children yet, might feel that time is 'running out' and perhaps put pressure on her to hurry up and give him babies, when in her mind, she has all the time in the world.

Rubber Nursey,

We have a homosexual troll on the forum who is obsessed with Israeli penises. His research most likely involved being sodomized by Middle Eastern men. Also, he must have been buttfucked by numerous black guys in order for him to have any basis to make a meaningful comparison.

Anyway, this individual is in a lot of pain and is most likely at the bottom of his racial and ethnic group. Can you imagine that the only thing that he has to thank Christ for in his life each day is that he is not black? I can see him trying to argue his way into heaven based on the sole fact that he is not a "nigger", such a sight would definitely be divine comedy.

I couldn't agree more that's why alot of younger ladies in the US have shunned me. Half of them think, "yeah he prolly wants kids as soon as the ink is dry on the marrage license...". The other half thinks, what I am thinking now; why would I want to be holding an infant at 55 and have people mistaken that for being my grandchild, when its actually my son or daughter!

So I understand where they are coming from and have moved on to dating women 25 and over, who are a bit closer to the train of thought I'm looking for.

Excellent Post...


[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]The question needs to be asked, though: what sort of, uhhh...'research', did this racist little weasel engage in, that led him to the conclusion that Arab men have bigger dicks than black men??? :)

Rock/Bart/etc,

Don't forget that in the past, women were pretty much chattels - property to be bartered, as in 'I'll trade you that piece of land for my thirteen year old daughter'. Princesses were married off to princes of neighbouring countries to secure additional support in times of war. Young girls were even won in poker games or handed over to pay for their father's debts. Daughters were a liability; an unnecessary and unwanted expense. Why waste heard earned money feeding a daughter - who may come in handy as a bargaining tool, but will otherwise be good for nothing - when you could be fattening up your much more valuable sons? In many societies, women had no titles, no education and no money of their own. They were nothing without a man, be it their father or their husband. They had no option but to go straight from their childhood home to marriage.

These days, women have lots of different options. They have equal access to education, the law and employment opportunities. They don't NEED a man in order to function in society. And with the average life expectancy probably doubling since those days, she knows that she's got plenty of time to enjoy the single life before she needs to think about settling down and raising a family. There's also that little thing called love, that probably didn't factor too much in those earlier marriage arrangements, and with today's women being employed and so much more socially active, they probably have more opportunities to meet, and fall in love with, someone closer to their own age.

And, absolutely no offence intended, what Bart said about 'thinking long term' goes for women as well. If, in her head, an eighteen year old wants to establish her career first and doesn't plan on even considering marriage and children until she's in her mid-thirties, she's going to look at a 30 - 40 year old man and, thinking long term, realise that he could be pushing 50 or 60 by the time she's ready to settle down and start a family. There's also the fact that an older man who hasn't had children yet, might feel that time is 'running out' and perhaps put pressure on her to hurry up and give him babies, when in her mind, she has all the time in the world.[/QUOTE]

When I first got that, I was like -

You can't be serious, can you???

Sorry but I don't wear the fact that I'm black on these boards TOO much, but I think its obvious if you have read anything I have said often enough, it comes out every so often...

Of course BK9 and I watch The Boondocks so there might be some confusion there too..lol


[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Rubber Nursey,

We have a homosexual troll on the forum who is obsessed with Israeli penises. His research most likely involved being sodomized by Middle Eastern men. Also, he must have been buttfucked by numerous black guys in order for him to have any basis to make a meaningful comparison.

Anyway, this individual is in a lot of pain and is most likely at the bottom of his racial and ethnic group. Can you imagine that the only thing that he has to thank Christ for in his life each day is that he is not black? I can see him trying to argue his way into heaven based on the sole fact that he is not a "nigger", such a sight would definitely be divine comedy.[/QUOTE]

Why hello Nursey,

It's good to have your opinon here.

Regarding your post, I hear what you are saying, and ABSOLUTELY believe that a young woman should have the right to choose whoever she wants to be with (or do anything else that she wants to so long as she doesn't believe she can "have her cake and eat it too"), as opposed to the historical treatment you quote below. I believe for example that a forced arranged marriage is more or less de facto sex slavery.

My problem however is with the societal flak I catch about MUTUALLY interested involvement with a woman who is substantially younger than I am, yet past the age of majority. I tried to examine what possible "danger" (causing society to have to protect her from me) that involvement with me exposes the girl to, relative to a younger socially acceptable suitor. I understand that some degree of backlash is reasonable given the history of the past 2000+ years, but have to assert that said backlash is now antiquated thinking due to under the worst case scenario I want to take the girl as a wife, and constrain her to child rearing, and housework while I provide family income.......the burden of which these days is perhaps 1/10th or even 1/20th of what had to be endured by modern women's "foremothers"

B9k




[QUOTE=Rubber Nursey]The question needs to be asked, though: what sort of, uhhh...'research', did this racist little weasel engage in, that led him to the conclusion that Arab men have bigger dicks than black men??? :)

Rock/Bart/etc,

Don't forget that in the past, women were pretty much chattels - property to be bartered, as in 'I'll trade you that piece of land for my thirteen year old daughter'. Princesses were married off to princes of neighbouring countries to secure additional support in times of war. Young girls were even won in poker games or handed over to pay for their father's debts. Daughters were a liability; an unnecessary and unwanted expense. Why waste heard earned money feeding a daughter - who may come in handy as a bargaining tool, but will otherwise be good for nothing - when you could be fattening up your much more valuable sons? In many societies, women had no titles, no education and no money of their own. They were nothing without a man, be it their father or their husband. They had no option but to go straight from their childhood home to marriage.

These days, women have lots of different options. They have equal access to education, the law and employment opportunities. They don't NEED a man in order to function in society. And with the average life expectancy probably doubling since those days, she knows that she's got plenty of time to enjoy the single life before she needs to think about settling down and raising a family. There's also that little thing called love, that probably didn't factor too much in those earlier marriage arrangements, and with today's women being employed and so much more socially active, they probably have more opportunities to meet, and fall in love with, someone closer to their own age.

And, absolutely no offence intended, what Bart said about 'thinking long term' goes for women as well. If, in her head, an eighteen year old wants to establish her career first and doesn't plan on even considering marriage and children until she's in her mid-thirties, she's going to look at a 30 - 40 year old man and, thinking long term, realise that he could be pushing 50 or 60 by the time she's ready to settle down and start a family. There's also the fact that an older man who hasn't had children yet, might feel that time is 'running out' and perhaps put pressure on her to hurry up and give him babies, when in her mind, she has all the time in the world.[/QUOTE]

Which is why the feminst movement will never really gain any traction.

You have too many on both sides feeling what they believe in is the right direction for women, not only here but in Western Europe and world-wide.

Fembots fear a return to the "olden" days when all they were good for is child bearing and housework, things they generally loath. Those on the more liberial side feel that women are an ideal multi-tasking group that can do both effectively.

So until they agree on something... They are nothing more than a political "noise maker".

According to people like Dirkdingy, providers should be seen and not heard from, welcome aboard Rubber Nursey



[QUOTE=Bart9000]Why hello Nursey,

It's good to have your opinon here.

Regarding your post, I hear what you are saying, and ABSOLUTELY believe that a young woman should have the right to choose whoever she wants to be with (or do anything else that she wants to so long as she doesn't believe she can "have her cake and eat it too"), as opposed to the historical treatment you quote below. I believe for example that a forced arranged marriage is more or less de facto sex slavery.

My problem however is with the societal flak I catch about MUTUALLY interested involvement with a woman who is substantially younger than I am, yet past the age of majority. I tried to examine what possible "danger" (causing society to have to protect her from me) that involvement with me exposes the girl to, relative to a younger socially acceptable suitor. I understand that some degree of backlash is reasonable given the history of the past 2000+ years, but have to assert that said backlash is now antiquated thinking due to under the worst case scenario I want to take the girl as a wife, and constrain her to child rearing, and housework while I provide family income.......the burden of which these days is perhaps 1/10th or even 1/20th of what had to be endured by modern women's "foremothers"

B9k[/QUOTE]

You bring up excellent points as well....

Add to your "list of task", picking up the kids from school and shopping for the family with YOUR money, not hers. Not to mention the "free" time they seem to have between the time the kids go to school and she has to pick them up. Making it possible for said bored housewife to offer "afternoon favors" for a token fee.

Oh life is so hard for the American Housewife.... Honestly I think if your a BBW housewife or BBW single mother its because your lazy above everything. Anybody that has had to actually work hard to get to where they are tend to be much thinner around the waist, working several jobs to make ends meet and their kids fed, housed and clothed.

I met one lady that couldn't been more than mid 20's with 2 kids and "dumped" on me about how she had been working for the local hospital for the last several months, 2 days a week. I know nursing pays well, but it doesn't pay that well and she continued with yawns about how her power, gas and phone have all been shutoff several times. She's turned her oldest son into a latchkey kid, one of millions I'm sure around the US and Canada.

She wasn't hot, but workable I guess with some dental work and a few days at a day spa, but she was pretty dam skinny. Seeing she barely had money to keep her kids fed and clothed I sure that didn't leave much eating for her...

MILF's are where its at if you want to go that route... That includes I noticed Internationally as well.

Honestly that is most likely what I'll end up with, very FEW women in their late 20's to early 30's out there with no kids and that are actually attractive. Anybody single woman, unmarried and no kids over 30 there's at least ONE issue if not obvious about them...

The most popular toliet flushers -

Having too many kids (Ive seen several with quotes of 5 or more kids more than once)

Weighing more than you do, two fold.

Just flat crazy or weird

At least with MILF you have proof of one thing...

Somebody found them attractive enough to plant their seed...



[QUOTE=Bart9000]I think I like your theory better than mine. "Protecting" young women against the intention of older men to turn them into a domestic slave/baby machine.

Of course these days, "domestic slavery" consists of dropping a load into the washing machine, putting dishes in the dishwasher, taking a quick spin around the living room with a vacuum cleaner, and turning up the heat....instead of scrubbing laundry in wash basin or a river, hand washing dishes, taking a dozen big rugs outside and beating them, stoking a fire, hauling in water from the well.....

And so far as "baby machine" is concerned, I personally maybe want one...like 3-5 years out. Most couples these days, assuming they aren't moronic trailer trash fucktards, have 2.


Good point about the extended adolecence.


B9K[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bart9000]Why hello Nursey, It's good to have your opinon here.[/QUOTE]
Thank you very much! :) It's good to be back.


[QUOTE=Bart9000]My problem however is with the societal flak I catch about MUTUALLY interested involvement with a woman who is substantially younger than I am, yet past the age of majority. I tried to examine what possible "danger" (causing society to have to protect her from me) that involvement with me exposes the girl to, relative to a younger socially acceptable suitor.[/QUOTE]
I've got a few (hopefully) plausible theories...

1. For whatever reason, the young girl/older man scenario seems to be not quite so common these days. (I personally think it has a lot to do with more young women being financially independent, and therefore no longer needing a husband to 'take care' of them - a few years back she would need to find a good provider in order to live a comfortable life and the older the man was, the more likely he was to have accumulated money, property, etc). Anyway, whatever the reason is, it doesn't seem to be as common as it once was and that makes the average young woman/older man couple stand out on the street. And we all know what happens when you stand out too much, don't we...just as it is for gay and lesbian couples, interracial couples and any other people who dare to stray a little too far away from the 'norm', the Moral Minority just can't help sneering in disgust and pointing out, in no uncertain terms, the error of your ways. And unfortunately, those cheeky buggers are very good at swaying public opinion.

2. Because women in my own lifetime have always had choices and the power to create their own destiny, it's easy to forget that feminism and equality are really still quite new concepts in the grand scheme of things. Even in my mothers day (she's in her early fifties now) although women were encouraged to find a job (like a secretary or...ummm...a secretary) it was really only seen as a temporary way to support yourself until you got married. I think mothers may sometimes be living their own lives through their daughters and encouraging them to go out, get rich, travel, sleep around, not just settle down and have kids, like they did. And an older boyfriend is probably considered more likely to try and 'tie their daughter down' than a man in his early twenties.

and 3. Sometimes older women probably try to talk younger women out of it, just out of good, old fashioned concern for their emotional welfare. Parents, in particular, just don't want to see their baby girl hurt. Fact is, relationships are difficult at the best of times, without adding the extra pressure of a large age gap. I've experienced the age problem myself, from both sides. As I'm pretty sure I've mentioned at some point over the years, my oldest child's father was eighteen years older than me. I was a teenager and he was in his thirties. The age gap wasn't a factor AT ALL at first, but then the cracks began to show. And after a while, well, quite simply...I grew up and grew out of him. Over the four years that we were together, my priorities had changed and he just wasn't what I wanted any more.
Then, when I was 26, I was dating a man who had just turned 20. He was straight out of college and still living with his Mum; I was a divorcee with two children. Eventually, the relationship got pretty serious and he wanted to get married, buy a house and have a child of his own. I gave it serious consideration but, with two children and one failed marriage already under my belt, I decided I just couldn't do it again. I eventually ended the relationship and told him to find someone he could start fresh with. Basically, a big age gap often means a big gap in life experience. Both of you are at completely different stages of your lives and although every relationship should include the occasional compromise, the compromises we're talking about in these situations are often really big ones - like children and marriage and travel and education.

So there's a few of my thoughts, anyway. I'm not, under any circumstances, saying that it CAN'T work, because I know that it does for a lot of couples. I'm just saying that it can be more difficult than a relationship with someone who is at a similar stage of life to your own.

[quote=dj fourmoney]you have too many on both sides feeling what they believe in is the right direction for women, not only here but in western europe and world-wide.
fembots fear a return to the "olden" days when all they were good for is child bearing and housework, things they generally loath. those on the more liberial side feel that women are an ideal multi-tasking group that can do both effectively.[/quote]
and that, i believe, is what screws women up more than anything, and may even be responsible for the 'have her cake and eat it too' syndrome. its not that women don't know what they want...they don't know what they're supposed to want. we are told to have babies, work hard in a successful career, travel the world and get a good education, all at the same time. we're told that we should be financially independent and not need a man to 'look after' us and then looked down on with pity if we, god forbid, haven't married and had kids by the time we're thirty. and then there's sex. we're told to be free and liberated and confident to enjoy our bodies and indulge in casual sex and then called dirty sl*ts when we actually go out there and do it.

and yes, it's women that do this to other women, not men.

[quote=dj fourmoney]according to people like dirkdingy, providers should be seen and not heard from, welcome aboard rubber nursey[/quote]
he's not the first and i'm dead sure he won't be the last. i don't mind at all...it makes me laugh and responding to those sorts of posts gives me a chance to vent. very therapeutic. :) thanks for the welcome.

I have always maintained that American Women aren't born evil....but that our screwed up society makes them that way:) This in part does somewhat explain my predilection towards "barely legal' types-they have had less time in this society to absorb conflicting messages, unattractive girl's agenda's.....

Since you haven't been around, I will fill you in on my big issue-it kind of ties back into DJ's preferences, and why I find them unacceptable:

Our society is currently constructed in such a way so as to allow young women to use boring, dependable, hard working "nice guys" as a safety net. Girls run wild during their most physically attractive years (physical attractiveness being their greatest asset), throwing themselves at pretty boys, pro athletes, dramatic bad boy losers, rich guys, etc, who pretty much use them as a sperm receptacle. In the meantime, the nice hardworking dependable boring guy can't get the time of day from these girls. Then, the girls get to be around mid twentyish and start to find that they are gaining a bit of weight, aging a bit, wanting a child, or maybe having produced one from an inappropriate father, growing tired of supporting herself as a "liberated woman", at which time they "suddenly discover" the boring nice guy, who she wouldn't have given the time of day to a year before. The sex starved boring nice guy (prostitution being illegal, socially stigmatized, and expensive as hell in this country), gladly jumps at the opportunity, and "buys the cow" of the well worn used ass of the aging hottie, even sometimes taking on the burden of financial and parenting responsibility for children that he a few years ago, wasn't a suitable candidate for helping to produce them (That is why I don't do single mommies DJ). Compounding matters even more, after this scenario female infidelity (quite expectedly, as they aren't actually that "hot" for the poor chump they married) is rampant (as is male), and even if it (or any other reason for divorce) is discovered, the woman then gets to take the man to the cleaners in a divorce, frequently relegating him to living in poverty.

Having seen this scenario go down in real life, I must simply give a resounding "no thank you" to AW.

B9K

Having a wife who would "perfectly" fit the role of a woman in the olden days isn't something I'd want. To be more specific, I wouldn't want someone who would totally live her life through me and have no thought or sense of self outside me. Getting to know a (sane) woman is part of the mystery that is alluring. What makes her heart beat faster? What is her opinion on this or her thoughts on that? Doe she see Life as something to be experienced or is she content to let is pass her by? Is she (flexible) willing to share experiences that you enjoy or is she (rigid) unwilling to venture outside her frame of reference? Does "Give and Take" to her mean YOU give and I'LL take? Is she willing to occasionally do things to make you happy JUST BECAUSE?

That's a few criteria of mine, regarding a wife, although I don't see really myself getting hitched. THAT and I got a thing for redheads.

Bart, Drew Carey uttered a line that TOTALLY echoes your message: (paraphrasing) "I'm not good enough to plant the seed, but when Harvest Time comes around, you come running to Farmer Drew". This was an episode of when he was dating a VERY PREGNANT AW. When other pregnant AW's found out about this, they flocked to him like flies to shit.

Reverend Bart says "Amen"

Hey there RN,

Here's my response to your proposed theories.... Oh yes, I enjoyed reading them!
1. True, this scenario isn't as common these days..... but DEFINITELY still out there eg. Micheal Douglas (way past his prime) + Catherine Zeta-Jones ...(prime with a capital P). Why? Probably due to economic good times.... the girls are doing it for themselves, who needs a sugar daddy? Answer, some girls.

2. Maybe this happens, but I think this one would be a pretty weak influence.

3. Bingo! Parents, especially, want to see their precious daughter get "the best deal" that she can. There's always this idea that, somehow an older guy is wiser and craftier and can "trick" a young woman into settling down with him. I've run into this one a few times myself..... minor resistance from the parents until they found out how much money I make.

I'll repeat what I said in an earlier post, we glorify youth in this culture. It seems like everyone wants to try and live like a teenager for as long as they can...... and why not? All the fun, with none of the responsibility. Also, men (and women too, it seems) have a taste for young flesh. It's no wonder nobody wants to get married until they're pushing middle-age.

Rock

ps. what's with all these schoolteachers getting caught with 14 year old boys? Has anyone else noticed this going on a lot lately, or is it just me? There was this 23 yr old blonde one on CNN and she is WAY hot!