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[QUOTE=Warsteiner]To be perfectly honest if I had the choice of being fluent in another language in addition to English then I would probably pick Polish as a lot of these clubs are full of Polish women.[/QUOTE]
... I'd like to add to my repertoire too.
[QUOTE=Chivaz]Seriously Jackyo, you got to be kidding. "positive image with either the women or the staff". I mean...C'mon!
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... I don't have a positive image of people who speak pidgin English either so I'm simply just putting myself in their shoes.
One has to make an honest effort at it at the least.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]I don't doubt that one can have fun with and without communication.............
..........There is cave man sex where the most communication you have going between each other is grunting and moaning because neither of you can make complete sentences in the other one's language.
Then there is sex which is like a conversation and the physical part is just a part of the whole. This is my standard for a GFE: she has to be someone I'd actually be interested in going out with in real life - someone who is funny and smart and has something to say. The only difference being her and a girl I'd meet in real life is she is being paid for it at an FKK club.
I almost never hang out with women in real life I can't have a conversation with. I don't bend that standard when I'm at a club.
The whole thing, at least to me, is about interaction. If she simply lies there and isn't interactive, I can't get into it. If, on the other hand, she gets into it, I get into it too.
But don't get me wrong: I've had cave man sex too and had fun at it but given a choice, I'd much rather have the latter rather than the former.[/quote]
You seem to be trying to say that others who don't speak German are having caveman or lesser sex. Also, you seem to imply speaking German is what creates interactive sex. It couldn't hurt but hardly a deal breaker.
I guess you also know a majority of the communication you need in these clubs is nonverbal. Yes, it's nice to speak German but probably only if you seek German women. Most of the people in clubs do not. It's interesting, I speak with the Dutch guys at GT and they tell me they don't speak German and could care less about it. We're there to screw women, not substitute what we don't have, or do have, at home with their splendid simple minded company. Besides, there's plenty of English spoken in the German clubs.
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Call me provincial if you want to but the language thing is what holds me back from exploring Brazil, Argentina, Costa Rica or Thailand. I speak neither Portuguese nor Spanish nor Thai.[/QUOTE]
Well, it's your decision not to explore but I can assure you, CR and Brazil are a blast with very little Spanish or Portuguese. I'm fairly certain the guys loving Thailand speak very little Thai.
[QUOTE=Chicafan]You seem to be trying to say that others who don't speak German are having caveman or lesser sex. Also, you seem to imply speaking German is what creates interactive sex. It couldn't hurt but hardly a deal breaker.
I guess you also know a majority of the communication you need in these clubs is nonverbal. Yes, it's nice to speak German but probably only if you seek German women. Most of the people in clubs do not. It's interesting, I speak with the Dutch guys at GT and they tell me they don't speak German and could care less about it. We're there to screw women, not substitute what we don't have, or do have, at home with their splendid simple minded company. Besides, there's plenty of English spoken in the German clubs.
Well, it's your decision not to explore but I can assure you, CR and Brazil are a blast with very little Spanish or Portuguese. I'm fairly certain the guys loving Thailand speak very little Thai.[/QUOTE]I speak German but not fluently. That said, as with traveling to any foreign country, you will get more out of the experience if you speak the local language and FKKs are no different. That said, you won't have a bad time if you don't speak German. English speakers' Euros spend as well as German speakers' Euros.
I usually ask the ladies if they are more comfortable with German or English and probably about a third prefer to speak English. My tortured German is actually a pretty good ice breaker with the non-German ladies. The German girls for the most part find it annoying. As my experience with the German girls has been hit and miss, I don't really mind if I end up passing on a number of German ladies as a result.
I choose not to sample the Thai, Brazil or CR scene for various reasons, including language. Thailand, the percentage of adults with HIV is way too high for my tastes, even though I have a thing for Asian women. I don't sample Brazil and CR partially for the language thing, but also for issues relating to my desire or lack there of to visit those countries. Plus, Germany and the FKK scene is so damn comfortable for me. Don't get me wrong, I've sampled the local scenes in places like Japan, China, Australia, Canada and Poland. But all of those were on trips for reasons other than to sample the local scene. I happened to be in the neighborhood, so when in Rome, do as the Romans. But I'll make a special trip to Germany for the FKK scene.
[QUOTE=Jackyo]Call me provincial if you want to but the language thing is what holds me back from exploring Brazil, Argentina, Costa Rica or Thailand. I speak neither Portuguese nor Spanish nor Thai.[/QUOTE]
Jackyo, you are really limiting yourself, especially with Thailand. Trust me, very few guys going there speak a word of Thai. No problem at all finding girls that speak english or at least enough to make the connection.
As for Brazil, that is a bit more difficult. I have had some great experiences there but usually communication is very primitive at best.
I always felt part of the appeal of the FKK's was the variety of women from different countries you can find there. I would say less than 20% of the women I have met in FKK's have been German. And included in that are visits to Bernd's, Babylon, Wiago, World, and Oases. I think it is sometimes difficult to even find a german girl in Oases or World. I know they are there but far and few between.
Part of the fun of mongering is exploring new and different places. Go for it and enjoy.
.. than any other kind of sex.
Its just different.
I have it too once in a while and I do enjoy it.
Its not typically the kind of sex I have with girlfriends in the real world, thats all.
My German is decent enough. As is my French. But I really do not think that the ability to hold a conversation is necessary. What I come to the clubs for is sex, and not a good conversation about some esoteric topic.
Some of my best sex experiences I have had in Rio with women who only speak Portuguese. (see my postings on the Rio board, summarized here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=503549&postcount=26[/url] and here: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=504928&postcount=28[/url]) A smile goes a long way as a conversation starter. And it's hard to talk during DFK anyway. And we all know: good sex really does not need words while it is going on ... in fact, words mostly get in the way. Two bodies can talk to each other just fine, with the help of the occasional moan and groan.
Yes, sometimes it helps to have a good conversation to break the ice and interrupt the general boredom that the providers experience in the clubs, just as it helps for us to have a young athletic toned body. But if you think that the sex is special for the girls for either of those reasons, you are mistaken. By and large they just see the 50-euro bills when they look at us.
Always keep in mind: these girls are not our gillrfriends, and THIS IS NOT THE REAL WORLD!
euro
[QUOTE=Chicafan]
I guess you also know a majority of the communication you need in these clubs is nonverbal. Yes, it's nice to speak German but probably only if you seek German women. Most of the people in clubs do not. It's interesting, I speak with the Dutch guys at GT and they tell me they don't speak German and could care less about it. We're there to screw women, not substitute what we don't have, or do have, at home with their splendid simple minded company. Besides, there's plenty of English spoken in the German clubs.
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To be fair, quite a few Dutch guys that I know who speak pretty decent German would rather get a sore on their dicks than actually do so.
Some of those guys that you spoke with I am sure are the same ones who, because of their love/hate relationship with Germany, have told me that were it not for the Golden Triangle, they would not set foot inside Germany.
I would like to throw out two little estimates from my club experiences, such that they are:
Probably only 5 % of the girls that I session with in the clubs are German. No particular reason for that, but it just seems to be the case.
Of the non-Germans with whom I have sessions with (gals from Russian, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czech Republic, Romania, etc.) LESS than 5 % are more comfortable speaking English than German.
Again, I agree that it is not a deal breaker if one does not speak German, but it does help. Even with the majority of the non-German ladies, who end up often learning more German than English while they are in Germany. Which stands to reason, no?
Cheers,
Dedalus
.. women who speak German very well too so I never limit myself to just German women.
Ewa at Blue Note, for example, speaks flawlessly though she comes from Poland.
Her verb placement in dependent clauses, use of the Genitiv, adjective declensions, ... language-wise, this woman is [i]einmalig[/i].
I find this kind of thing entertaining and unearthing women such as this is what I do on a club visit.
Clues such as this put her in perspective: clearly she is an educated person, not a peasant who would be otherwise milking cows if she weren't working at a club.
Then there is Anastasia at Heavensgate who originally comes from Russia, Monika at GT who is originally from Poland, Dorothea at GT who is also from Poland (Gdansk), Nina at PT Dorsten who is Polish (her German gets better every year), sweet Monika at PT Wagenfeld who is from Slovakia, ... and the foreign women at Bernds who all speak German quite well.
The Polish contingent at Cocoon I've found to be almost indistinguishable language-wise from natives. Based on selective sampling (I am trying to find occasions to use this word in a sentence: [i]Stichprobartig[/i]. Isn't it a great word?), most of them grew up in Germany and speak the language quite well.
My third language is French which I speak just as well as I speak German.
Too bad French isn't spoken much at these clubs.
[QUOTE=Thor93]Jackyo, you are really limiting yourself, especially with Thailand. Trust me, very few guys going there speak a word of Thai. No problem at all finding girls that speak english or at least enough to make the connection.
As for Brazil, that is a bit more difficult. I have had some great experiences there but usually communication is very primitive at best.
I always felt part of the appeal of the FKK's was the variety of women from different countries you can find there. I would say less than 20% of the women I have met in FKK's have been German. And included in that are visits to Bernd's, Babylon, Wiago, World, and Oases. I think it is sometimes difficult to even find a german girl in Oases or World. I know they are there but far and few between.
Part of the fun of mongering is exploring new and different places. Go for it and enjoy.[/QUOTE]
Yes, there is a big world out there.
My exposure to the German language and Germany dates back much further than my first FKK trip.
Little did I know when I was an exchange student there thirty years ago that down the road I'd be trying to transform school Hoch Deutsch into Puffdeutsch.
The Internet in the late 90s introduced these clubs to me.
Did anyone on this forum follow the German language discussions on the "Sexhit" forum way back then? This was before the RF came into the scene.
Am I dating myself when I ask who else used to go to the club in Sankt Augustine-Meindorf?
The whole thing just fell into my lap.
Strange how these things happen.
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Did anyone on this forum follow the German language discussions on the "Sexhit" forum way back then? This was before the RF came into the scene.
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Actually I do remember the Sexhit forum. We've come a long way, baby.
Cheers,
Dedalus
[QUOTE=Dedalus]Actually I do remember the Sexhit forum. We've come a long way, baby.
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]
Posts had a kind of wide-eyed, kid-in-a-candy-store quality to them. Even the German posters exuded a kind of innocence in their posts.
Contrast that to current posts on the RF where the guys are sometimes way too critical and spend their time complaining.
I was a long time lurker there, eventually came to use it to post questions and do research before I made my trips.
Anyone know if Madeline from Poland with the cute glasses is back at Oases? She told me in January she was going home in late February. I thought it was temporary. She formerly was at Samya in Koln.
Thanks in advance.
JL
Anyone know when the Garden fully opens at Oase.
Anyone know when the Garden fully opens at Oase,I think it is partially open, I dont think I will be there untill May, but I would like any feedback.
Thanks in advance.