FKK Oase - Burgholzhausen

Only the Management of the club knows if they don't say it, the reason to deny entry to someone it could be for race, colour, ethnicity anything. How is anyone going to verify what they are saying and what they have in their mind is the same reason. One could be well dressed, not drunk, look pretty decent and still be denied an entry does that mean his appearance was not considered decent. No! This clearly points to some other reasons one of them and majorly being because of his race, ethnicity, colour etc. I guess being not allowed an entry normally in any part of the world is very different from if someone is denied an entry even if he appears pretty decent! Just my two cents!

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1601049]Shut down? Why? Because they make use of their "Hausrecht" and deny entry to some people? How would you prove this is because of race and discriminating? How would this be proven in any other country? This was discussed before, but any disco will be selective with who they let in, based on clothing, how drunk you are, if you are a "fit" for this kind of club and audience, if you are a group of males it may be difficult to get in. I guess this is the case all around the globe. In Japan you will be denied entry to certain clubs, discos just because you are not Japanese. And it will be hard for you to dress up like one. LOL.

I am not saying that GT does not discriminate, I am just saying that this is not a situation occurring only in Germany but in every other country.

HB.[/QUOTE]As you write, the diffulty is in the proof. For instance in NL, when there is any sucpispion of this, they would send in an undercover agent with a darker skin, and see if he gets in. If not, and it happens few times, the joint can close down. What does the German Police do to prevent this if there is any suspicion?

The fact that also the people accept it, and nobody sends a message about this to the authorities says a lot.

So, besides the proof, what do you think must be done with clubs who clearly have this discriminatory policy? Leave it until proof is there? Try to find proof? Ignore it?

Visit to Oasis 25.07.

It was a bit cloudy in NRW so drove just over 2 hours to Oasis to get a bit of sun. Arrived at 2 pm and paid the 70 euro entrance.

The boss must have talked to the girls as they were super friendly this time. Most of them sat and chatted with me outside and when I told them I want to tan a bit more they all politely left and said they would be happy to talk again later. Very nice compared to GT and Acapulco where most girls don't approach you. Also overall as there were less guys then GT and ACA the atmosphere was more relaxed. At around 4 pm I decided on a cute, slim, blonde Romanian with blue eyes. Cannot remember her name but she was going to drive with her sister who also apparently works there to Romania by car.

We agreed on 100 euro for 30 min + CIM with kissing (included when you spend 100). When we went to the room she told me that her pus_y is hurting from the work as she has a tight one. That day I found out that girls take a break so her body part can rest. As this was the case I did not push her hard and we kissed and went for the oral. I was a bit of hard work for her but because she was in such good spririts she continued till I came. We used the full 30 minutes and I think if it would not for her leaving that day she would have told me off for lasting so long Also I was the last customer for her as I noticed she just sat smoking (not looking for anyone) until she left that day.

At around 6 pm I was ready for round2 and it was going to be Angelica also from Romania. Again thin, beautiful with natural breasts. I talked with her that I would pay 100 euro for 30 min + CIM kissing included or I would pay her 50 + 20 if I could not come. She agreed and we went to the room. What a surprise: This girl's pu_sy was also in pain. She did not say anything but I could see that she was in pain. As soon as I said lets switch to oral she jumped with joy. Clearly these girls need a break more often. Anyway her oral technique was ok but not the way I can come. I tried to help her but she stuck to her own method and I could not come although she tried till the end of the 30 min. She was upset that I could not come but I did not want to argue with her. Paid her the 70 euro and would not have a session with her again as she was another of the 'on edge' ladies who was just too tense.

So Oase would be my number1 spot again overtaking GT (NRW) but the fact that both girls pus_y was in pain means that they must be overworked somehow. Mauro did a good job though fixing the food situation and he was watching things personally while I was there. Would certainly go back there as its just the best place in the area IMO.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;1601123]What a surprise: This girl's pu_sy was also in pain. She did not say anything but I could see that she was in pain[/QUOTE]May I ask if this information was disclosed prior to you agreeing to go to the room or when you were in the room (committed)? The reason I am asking this is because this could be another or new scheme for girl to avoid getting F and resort to S. I can see if it was one incident then I peg that as chance but back to back seemed a little suspicious. Anyway, as long as you had fun then it's all good but please take what girls tell you with grain of salt.

[QUOTE=Maxime;1601115]As you write, the diffulty is in the proof. For instance in NL, when there is any sucpispion of this, they would send in an undercover agent with a darker skin, and see if he gets in. If not, and it happens few times, the joint can close down. What does the German Police do to prevent this if there is any suspicion?

The fact that also the people accept it, and nobody sends a message about this to the authorities says a lot.

So, besides the proof, what do you think must be done with clubs who clearly have this discriminatory policy? Leave it until proof is there? Try to find proof? Ignore it?[/QUOTE]This isn't about Oase so better to discuss it in the GT or General threads. However one short note from me is that the German authorities likely are pragmatic when it comes to these establishments. Everyone knows or suspect they are not fully compliant with all rules and regulations but some things are clearly less important than others. The rights of foreigners to visit brothels would be one of those less important rules and regulations.

Thanks for your recview.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;1601123]We agreed on 100 euro for 30 min + CIM with kissing (included when you spend 100).

At around 6 pm I was ready for round2 and it was going to be Angelica also from Romania. Again thin, beautiful with natural breasts. I talked with her that I would pay 100 euro for 30 min + CIM kissing included or I would pay her 50 + 20 if I could not come. She agreed and we went to the room. [/QUOTE]This is exactly what was mend with the declining service / upselling: normally in every club in Hessen, including Oase, it should be 50 euro for 30 min including DFK, OWO and covered sex, so also if you don't spend +50 for CIM / CIF, etc.

But when all mongers accept this without any hesitation, and just go for the 100 euro sessions..............it will be the new norm (in Oase, happily there are other clubs where this is not true .....yet).

[QUOTE=Maxime;1601260]Thanks for your recview.

This is exactly what was mend with the declining service / upselling: normally in every club in Hessen, including Oase, it should be 50 euro for 30 min including DFK, OWO and covered sex, so also if you don't spend +50 for CIM / CIF, etc.

But when all mongers accept this without any hesitation, and just go for the 100 euro sessions..............it will be the new norm (in Oase, happily there are other clubs where this is not true .....yet).[/QUOTE]Hi Maxime,

Yes agreed but I thought these super-beauties who provide 'supposed' better service for a premium most probably are not as much in the room as the others who do not charge the premium (and don't look as good). I realized that I was wrong based on the experience with both these stunners. Again I'm super picky and would only choose 3-4 girls max in even the best club so I don't have much choice and if they say no to 50 euro I have the choice of leaving or paying what they ask. I know its driving up prices and I will consider Oase again reflecting on the impact on the general mongering community.

By now I can safely say that nearly none of the hot (slim, young, tall, natural beauty) girls at Oase will give you a good service for 50 euro. I enter the place knowing this.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;1601300]
By now I can safely say that nearly none of the hot (slim, young, tall, natural beauty) girls at Oase will give you a good service for 50 euro. I enter the place knowing this.[/QUOTE]And how are you able to get to that conclusion if you give in to all their demands? It's like everywhere else, if you do not stand your ground you will be ripped off. Also, chances are if you give one girl extra the next one will know about it.

[QUOTE=NeutronFlux;1601305]And how are you able to get to that conclusion if you give in to all their demands? It's like everywhere else, if you do not stand your ground you will be ripped off. Also, chances are if you give one girl extra the next one will know about it.[/QUOTE]Very easy. In my report about my last visit to Oase I complained to management that the girl who I negotiated everything with outside, told me in the room that for 50 euro I will not get the service I want and asked for 100 euro.

Fast forwarding to my last visit. You will not believe this but although I had agreed again to everything outside both girls, like a reflex, opened the negotiations again in the room. So even if they would have said yes to 50 euro outside, I would have had to leave the room because of upsell in the room.

In both cases I told them: Look we agreed outside and its 100 euro for 30 min + CIM. When both heard 100 euro they were ok and continued but unbelievable that it has become their habit to negotiate in the room at Oase. So believe it or not: for the absolute stunners there is no way for me to get the service I want without a fight for 50 euro at Oase and if I have to fight for what I want then I may as well go somewhere else because my motto is: Make love not war and these arguments about money are more like war.

If anyone can recommend a club where I will get a 'model' to provide GFE for less then please let me know. I'm not after the mechanical 50 euro session.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;1601300] Again I'm super picky and would only choose 3-4 girls max in even the best club so I don't have much choice and if they say no to 50 euro I have the choice of leaving or paying what they ask. [/QUOTE]As long as there is more than one girl that you like, I'd say you have a choice. I'd say between 50-75% of the girls I see are repeats. Even if I am new at the club, I will interview the girl, but very rarely say yes immediately. I just take note of her name, potentially check with other guests, or observe her. Unless it is a busy night, you will have another opportunity to snatch her off the floor.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;1601315]
If anyone can recommend a club where I will get a 'model' to provide GFE for less then please let me know. I'm not after the mechanical 50 euro session.[/QUOTE]At World I experience virtually no upsell. I can't remember any recently. I think this club may be best for you on Friday or Saturday from 5 pm.

I cannot guarantee though as my face is well known at World and could be girls act differently for different customers. I do not negotiate prices before the room or in it. It may even be a bad tactic at Oase.

If a girl changes an agreement you would be forced to cancel the session, I guess.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1601488]At World I experience virtually no upsell. I can't remember any recently. I think this club may be best for you on Friday or Saturday from 5 pm.[/QUOTE]I fear the model factor is pretty limited at World, at least at the moment.

TC11 doesn't seem to care too much about the cost. So I guess it's best for him to just stay at Oase.

I get the feeling from his report, though, that he did not get much of a GFE there for 100 EUR either. Too me, it sounds like standard kiss, suck & fuck sessions (without the fucking part).

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;1601315]If anyone can recommend a club where I will get a 'model' to provide GFE for less then please let me know. I'm not after the mechanical 50 euro session.[/QUOTE]In the Hessen area probably Sharks would be your best bet (50/50 split between upsellers and normal good girls that offer good job for 50 euro, between them also some stunners you might like).

Better alternatives are in NRW, like Babylon (max 10% upsellers, rest ok with 50 euro sessions, all girls looking good, and CIM is +25), Luder Lounge, etc, etc.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;1601315]
If anyone can recommend a club where I will get a 'model' to provide GFE for less then please let me know. I'm not after the mechanical 50 euro session.[/QUOTE]Hey me want to know too! Top model that provides perfect GFE for less than 50 euro and possibly prepares a nice homemade apple pie and irons my shirts in her day off.

Seriously Tony, you sound like a nice fellow but you seem a bit confused, since you praise oase as top club for its mgmt and its friendly girls but you describe bad sessions with strong upsell and unacceptable attitude of the girls, despite of you tipping or agreeing on 100 before the room.

So I can not recommend a club where YOU will get a model to provide GFE for less, but I can recommend some clubs where I will get a model to provide solid GFE-PSE sessions for 50 euros / 30 min, and Oase is for sure one of them.

Not the easiest environment (I agree in Sharks and World the risks are lower from this point of view) but IMHO still a very safe bet even for the unexperienced monger.

NRW service levels higher on average, but lineups not so strong (except for GT).

Please do not tip, and do not give in to every silly girls requests, even if she's hot.

Show the girls some self confidence, without being rude, and they will respect you, no need to negotiate too much nor to go desk complaining (except for really wrong situations).

Keep calm and enjoy FKK.

[QUOTE=TonyCarioca11;1601315]If anyone can recommend a club where I will get a 'model' to provide GFE for less then please let me know. I'm not after the mechanical 50 euro session.[/QUOTE]Had the best GFE experience ever last fall at Oase with a beautiful Romanian girl who is unfortunately no longer working there. Dropped a few hundred euro with her and enjoyed every minute. I wanted to take her home in my suitcase by the time I left. Had been with two girls previous to her on that visit. It is often just a matter of chemistry. You don't hit it off with every girl you date in your private life, do you? And these girls will have sex with you regardless of whether that chemistry is there. And of course there are sharks and they have no interest in chemistry at all.

I have been to FKK's all over Deutschland and it's the same deal pretty much everywhere. The confidence comment I saw is also very valid. If you look unsure or timid the sharks will be all over you. If you brush them aside and focus on a select few you will do far better. And if the girls starts with some good DFK and they don't pressure you to go to a room right away that is a good sign.

Punting is no guaranteed business and if you are a traveler like myself and not a local it is going to be hard to develop relationships with the girls. But I always enjoy my visits, particularly to Oase. You have make the best of life.