Boca Chica

But I have never had sex with a girl in the DR who wouldn't be a pro or semipro. Not that I ever wanted or tried to. I usually want to get what I want and send her on her way, although there have been exceptions.

Actually, strike that. Last time I was in Sosua I picked up an older woman who owned a tiny restaurant. Not even a pro or semipro, and we never discussed the money, but her getting paid was implied. No surprises before or after.

I think everyone who posted a response here has a point, but I know I'd feel uncomfortable getting what I want and knowing I'd never want to see the girl again, without compensating her for it. Now if I was planning on seeing her again, that's another story.

In all honesty, Mr. E is right. I'd rather pay them to feel better about myself, I guess.

Come on E! We all read and he told us what his intentions were with chicas. We know why he asked her did she expect anything from him for visiting him. He wasn't looking for free sex. It was a visitation that he was asking about not a sexual confrontation. Stop acting like they are one in the same because I know you're smarter than that. Most of us on this board are smarter than that. At least I feel that way.

You change the narrative From a visitation to a sexual confrontation. After the confrontation you don't want to be bothered and you were done with her. You don't think because you change the narrative you should at least try to compensate? Do you think it's OK to hold it over her head that she wasn't charging you to visit you?

I cannot in good conscience conduct myself in that manner. I change the narrative so I should at least offer a financial compensation.

I was not evaluating your scenarios. So you giving me all your examples are meaningless. I base my opinion off the information he gave us. I base my opinion off what he said his intentions were being on a short term vacation.

Ill tell you what invite a girl to just visit you. Get her to say that shes not charging you anything to just visit you. Change the narrative to a sexual confrontation and dont compensate her. Id like to see you stand in front of a judge explaining how you shouldnt have to pay her anything. Tell him about your scenarios where you had free sex with other women and see if that shit flies in his court room.

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2583836]Come on E! We all read and he told us what his intentions were with chicas. We know why he asked her did she expect anything from him for visiting him. He wasn't looking for free sex. It was a visitation that he was asking about not a sexual confrontation. Stop acting like they are one in the same because I know you're smarter than that. Most of us on this board are smarter than that. At least I feel that way.

You change the narrative From a visitation to a sexual confrontation. After the confrontation you don't want to be bothered and you were done with her. You don't think because you change the narrative you should at least try to compensate? Do you think it's OK to hold it over her head that she wasn't charging you to visit you?

I cannot in good conscience conduct myself in that manner. I change the narrative so I should at least offer a financial compensation.

I was not evaluating your scenarios. So you giving me all your examples are meaningless. I base my opinion off the information he gave us. I base my opinion off what he said his intentions were being on a short term vacation.[/QUOTE]Well, GM, my world is not as black and white as you describe it.

Right, my intentions with girls, when I planned to come here, was not to spend a lot of time to get laid, because most of the time it takes me a more than two hours to get from a date to sex. And it even takes longer to get out of the story again if you realize that it's not really what I am into.

That does not mean, that I would avoid any kind of conversation or dating, if it was not completely clear that it would be a business relation. As I told you, it is my first time here in DR and I really don't know, if all the girls on Tinder are hookers. I don't think so. At least not in the case of that first tinder date. In fact, we had agreed to meet even before I arrived and after I realized how easy it would be to find what I was looking for by strolling up and down Duarte and by choosing my massage place, I was easy also to meet a girl that strongly declared that she would not take any money. I was curious to see, how it would turn out in the end.

Believe me or not: This girl was no hooker. She was a young girl with a very timid part of her personality and with a very curious part. The way we were talking, laughing, the way she reacted to the situation at the reception, the things she told me in a shy fashion about her experience with another woman, with a trio, with everything told me, that she was not used to what she did right now. After two hours of nice talking and a lot of laughs, I wanted to either take her to my room or continue the day on my own and get back to my work. So I asked, what was her best hope on how this day might end. She laughed without answering. I asked her, if she would remember this day in one month, what would she like to remember. She said: the good time we spent together. I asked her, if she felt it would be easier for her to have sex without bonds with a men that would be away in a couple of days as compared to one from her neighborhood. She confirmed that and so I asked, if she liked a massage and if she would be willing to come to my room. The sex was had was, most probably, more enriching for her than for me. I was licking her to one orgasm and she was stroking herself to the second one while I was doing her with my fingers. When I inserted my dick, it appeared, that it was difficult for her to deal with that. I stopped several times and she asked me to continue. I had this situation two times with other (very unexperienced) women. But of them told me, they felt pain but in the same time, they wanted to try to find a way to enjoy without pain, so they also wanted me to continue. I assume that was the same in her case, but after a couple of minutes I didn't feel good anymore and I was not in the mood anymore to continue "for a training purpose". So I stopped without coming and the only two reasons, I am not seeing here again, is, because I see a risk that she could fall in love and because it is not giving me what I want sexually.

So while I appreciate the idea of paying those who are to shy to put a price on it but will be happy about the money, I think there are girls, in the DR just like all over the planet, who are not hookers and who are up to fuck a guy that they consider attractive. Many young girls are attracted by older men (for various reasons), many girls form poor countries are attracted more easily by guys from rich countries (again, for various reasons), many beautiful women are attracted by rich and powerful men (again, for various reasons). This attraction works for all kind of relation: hooker-client, marriage-seekers, FWB-seekers, ONS-seekers. So, for a man like me, I will get more easily attractive women down here than in my own country. More easily means, with less time and less game.

The difference of the scenarios is: Is the compensation, that a girl expects for having sex, a) money, b) gifts, c) own pleasure, d) security, own pleasure, gifts and money (this is what we call marriage; a happy one if it includes pleasure, an unhappy one without). The difference in the narratives is not (and in this point I don't agree with you, GM) if I put my dick in her or not. In case that sex had been a pleasure to me and in case I could exclude that she will fall in love with me (and in case she would shave her legs and pussy.) we would most likely meet more often as long as I am here. So we don't and that is okay for me.

Now, to know how she feels now, I would need to ask her. Maybe I will do that. I assume strongly, that she is not unhappy because of not having received money, but because she felt that she was unable to satisfy me.

I have experienced a couple of situations like you, E, however not that much in real poor countries, but in Canada, Ukraine, Europe, Bangkok (with a girl having a regular well paid job) and the States. Once I have experienced it in Laos (with a rich Chinese girl, born to rich parents). It would have been very offensive to offer money in all these situations, even though I was and still am unable to tell from the tinder profiles, which girls are working girls and which are not. The good thing in Thailand is, that most of the time girls will easily tell it if I asked them. That was more difficult in Laos. I once had a situation there, where a girl asked me afterwards, if we would see each other again. I declined, because I was going to leave the next day, so she I asked if I would agree to give her xxx kip. I guess, in case I would have stayed for the week, we would lived eaten and travelled together, she would not have asked me anything, but most likely she would have used me for shopping, which would also have been okay.

There is another point to make. I really appreciate if people can take care of themselves. If they mean what do say and say what they mean. If people are unable to say, what they want, things get difficult. So, if she was a rookie, ending up being fucked but not paid, she will change her strategy for the next time and give a different answer. She will have paid for the lesson. As many of us have to pay for our lessons also. Such is life.

To keep the story short: One other tinder date from Day 2 started similar, with the girl pretending not to want money. However, when we talked about the exact day and time, she declared, that sex would be 4000. I offered 2500, she declined. Offered 3000, she accepted. The problem with tinder are the pictures. They are far from reality. But in the end, the girls is there, has a nice face and she already came her way. So I accepted (sex was less than mediocre), but I decided to stop the tinder thing for having the purpose of meeting somebody for sex. Waiting for an hour after the agreed time, not having the body that is on the pictures, that's just to difficult for me. Now I am accepting those who live in BC and want to join me in the activities I am doing anyway. If they don't come, no problem. If they are pretty, we can talk about anything once they are there and I make clear upfront that I am not paying for conversation.

Other than this tinder date, I was surprised to try other massage places and being suggested 1000 for massage and 4000 for a handjob in the end. I told her, in that case, I would use my own hand. Another date was with a real hot Haitian street girl. She also told me, I could pay what I want. Paid 3500, sex was mediocre but her body is stunning.

My hotel gave me a little unpleasant surprise. When I asked with the first girl, how the process was with a girl in the room, they told me that she would leave her cedula at the reception and she would get a bracelet. "That's it?" I asked and they confirmed and told me, I had a double room booked anyway. I was happy with that. Today, another guy at the reception told me, I would need to pay for every bracelet. I was not in the mood to discuss, as other people were standing around but I should clarify that. If they will present an invoice of 10 bracelets on the departure day, that will be a high bill and I might decide to go elsewhere and not to my room. However, if I ask directly now after a couple of days again, I might wake up sleeping dogs. I will have to make up my mind how to deal with that. Has anyone experiences with Boca Beach Residence?

[QUOTE=GrownMan1;2583836]Come on E! We all read and he told us what his intentions were with chicas. We know why he asked her did she expect anything from him for visiting him. He wasn't looking for free sex. It was a visitation that he was asking about not a sexual confrontation. Stop acting like they are one in the same because I know you're smarter than that. Most of us on this board are smarter than that. At least I feel that way.[/QUOTE]I see what you are saying because he did ask the girl from the beginning about giving her money. If those were his only intentions then IMHO he should have made that clear to the chick in the beginning. I never meet non-pros with the intention of just using them as I would a hooker, so I am coming from a different perspective.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2583864]I see what you are saying because he did ask the girl from the beginning about giving her money. If those were his only intentions then IMHO he should have made that clear to the chick in the beginning. I never meet non-pros with the intention of just using them as I would a hooker, so I am coming from a different perspective.[/QUOTE]Hmm, interesting point of view. Is there a difference in the way you both approach hookers and other people?

And then: Let's assume that on tinder (as in real life), there are pros, semi-pros and non pros. While for me there is no difference in my attitude to any of these groups, there is a difference in the way I negotiate about the time we are going to spend together. That's why it is wise to figure out whether I am dealing with a pro, semi-pro or non-pro. For me, the easiest way is to ask.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2583864]I see what you are saying because he did ask the girl from the beginning about giving her money. If those were his only intentions then IMHO he should have made that clear to the chick in the beginning. I never meet non-pros with the intention of just using them as I would a hooker, so I am coming from a different perspective.[/QUOTE]Hmm, interesting point of view. Is there a difference in the way you both approach hookers and other people?

And then: Let's assume that on tinder (as in real life), there are pros, semi-pros and non pros. While for me there is no difference in my attitude to any of these groups, there is a difference in the way you negotiate about the time you are going to spend with them. That's why it is wise to figure out, if you are dealing with a pro, semi-pro or non-pro. For me, the easiest way is to ask.

First, a non pro would not come to Boca chica to meet a foreign stranger without a buffer. Auntie, cousin or friend would come with her for that first introduction. And she would never go to his hotel room on a first meet. A semi pro or pro would have no problem coming to BC because they expect P4P and understand the environment. Boca chica has a reputation, that's why mongers go there, no gringo goes to BC to meet a good girl for free sex. Mongers play the BFE role thinking this girl is different and really likes him. But why would a girl come to meet a old gringo with gray hair, beer belly, and nose hair to give him free sex?

Real talk, if you aren't blonde haired, blue eyes, 6 feet tall, and have muscles don't expect free sex, pay as you go. These are the foreign guys girls put at a premium in hopes of a relationship or having a baby. Sure gringos get lucky sometimes, but she expects some generosity even if it's not spoken. If she wanted to give away pussy, mostly likely it would be with a local Dominican who can speak the language and is from the culture.

She walked the beach, had food and drinks and wasn't even offered a tip for her extra services. If she was hardcore she would have raised hell and torn up the room until she got her money but she decided to play cool with the long game. He has not heard the last of this girl after the eviction. It's a vacation killer to have a stalker thinking the gringo fucked her over. Requests for money, chica saying you play with girls feeling, and threats with insults now come into play.

To some, he won. Free pussy when on vacation is the trophy. To others, he violated the monger code in a monger area. Some take the risks associated with getting free pussy in a monger area, while others understand to keep it on a respectful business level.

Everybody wants money. A woman would refuse money if after having sex accepting money would make them feel like a hooker. Whether they are a prostitute or not they may not want to convey that impression, for whatever reason. They would gladly take the money under other circumstances.

[QUOTE=MrGogo;2583955]First, a non pro would not come to Boca chica to meet a foreign stranger without a buffer. Auntie, cousin or friend would come with her for that first introduction. And she would never go to his hotel room on a first meet. A semi pro or pro would have no problem coming to BC because they expect P4P and understand the environment. Boca chica has a reputation, that's why mongers go there, no gringo goes to BC to meet a good girl for free sex. Mongers play the BFE role thinking this girl is different and really likes him. But why would a girl come to meet a old gringo with gray hair, beer belly, and nose hair to give him free sex?

Real talk, if you aren't blonde haired, blue eyes, 6 feet tall, and have muscles don't expect free sex, pay as you go. These are the foreign guys girls put at a premium in hopes of a relationship or having a baby. Sure gringos get lucky sometimes, but she expects some generosity even if it's not spoken. If she wanted to give away pussy, mostly likely it would be with a local Dominican who can speak the language and is from the culture.

She walked the beach, had food and drinks and wasn't even offered a tip for her extra services. If she was hardcore she would have raised hell and torn up the room until she got her money but she decided to play cool with the long game. He has not heard the last of this girl after the eviction. It's a vacation killer to have a stalker thinking the gringo fucked her over. Requests for money, chica saying you play with girls feeling, and threats with insults now come into play.

To some, he won. Free pussy when on vacation is the trophy. To others, he violated the monger code in a monger area. Some take the risks associated with getting free pussy in a monger area, while others understand to keep it on a respectful business level.[/QUOTE]I understand what you are saying but I'm not sure if you are making the right guess I'm this particular situation. Maybe, some here are looking through mongers glasses for too long and have forgotten the rest of the world. One lesson learned for me is: I'll never again report on a situation where I didn't pay money. It's outside the scope of this board. Cheers.

[QUOTE=Stradivari;2584050]Maybe, some here are looking through mongers glasses for too long and have forgotten the rest of the world. One lesson learned for me is: I'll never again report on a situation where I didn't pay money. It's outside the scope of this board. Cheers.[/QUOTE]Haha, I was thinking that this is truly bizarre too. Being tied to a post and given 20 lashes for not paying for sex. Really crazy. Even if you had done somthg underhand or malicious, I am still not sure I would condemn you. I remember countless times when a working chica has cheated me. I would simply tihnk it evens up the score a little. TBH I generally do not do mongering for charitable purposes. That is not my primary goal. Haha.

[QUOTE=Stradivari;2584050]One lesson learned for me is: I'll never again report on a situation where I didn't pay money. It's outside the scope of this board. Cheers.[/QUOTE]That would be unfortunate. You can see there is no consensus here even among those who criticize you, LOL. All data points are useful.

[QUOTE=Stradivari;2583874]Hmm, interesting point of view. Is there a difference in the way you both approach hookers and other people?

And then: Let's assume that on tinder (as in real life), there are pros, semi-pros and non pros. While for me there is no difference in my attitude to any of these groups, there is a difference in the way you negotiate about the time you are going to spend with them. That's why it is wise to figure out, if you are dealing with a pro, semi-pro or non-pro. For me, the easiest way is to ask.[/QUOTE]I approach everyone the same way. That is by saying, "Hello. What are you doing?" Now I am starting to drop the hello, because most chicks will only see the hello and not the following question. You have to spoon feed them and can not give them too much to process at one time. They will only say Hello back, or say I am well (something that I did not ask.) The ones that don't answer the question, I say and my question? Then they answer what question. I say look above, while I am thinking look above you dumb bich; I only said 1 sentence and you can't even figure out what question. I get excited when one answers the question that I asked. That gives me a hope they may have some modicum of intelligence. The other day online I told a chick that I started talking to in San Pedro about this. I was really excited that she actually knew how to carry a conversation. She attributed it to chicks being uneducated. (Personas sin estudios. No porque no hayan ido a la escuela o universidad,hay persona qu sencillamente no le interesa tener una buena presentacin personal). I know most guys just want a hole to stick their dick into, but I can not be around a chick for 2 seconds that does not have some type of basic intelligence.

When a chick asks what I am looking for, I ask them what they are offering or say that depends on the woman. I have been at this for so long that I can usually separate who is what. I divide them into pro and non-pro. I do not subscribe to the semi-pro category. For me either I am paying (prostitute) or I am not (non-prostitute). Maybe if I could pay half I would call that semi-prostitute. A normal chick is not going to be showing her ass in her profile pictures. A normal chick is not going to send you a copy and pasted message saying my name is so and so and I am looking for a serious relationship. My whatsapp is xxx or do you have whatsapp. A normal chick is going to be pretty cautious and generally try to feel you out from conversation (even if briefly) before exchanging numbers. To the chicks that send that copy paste shit I say sorry, I am just looking for fun (aventura). Pretty much 100% of the time they will say well I can do that too. It does not have to be a serious relationship.

As you also said, a very easy way is to just ask. Sometimes I will come out and ask a chick if they are a hooker. That is usually when they keep saying baby, sweetheart, love. That is fucking hooker talk. No normal chick talks like that when they are just starting a conversation with a stranger. The chicks that are not will simply say no. I then say because a lot of chicks on here keep trying to sell me pictures, or videos, or sex and ask for money. I say why would I pay for pics and videos when there are tons on the internet for free. They understand. If the chick is a hooker then they will say why do you ask that. Or they will do the hit dog will holler and act offended and run away when the jig is up.

The ones that admit they are hookers or are up for aventura you can agree on the terms there and say okay I will contact you when I am in town. No need to chat to them everyday like you are courting them.

[QUOTE=Stradivari;2584050] One lesson learned for me is: I'll never again report on a situation where I didn't pay money. It's outside the scope of this board. Cheers.[/QUOTE]There are people on this board who for the longest time maintained that they get it free. Hmm! Of course if you start a conversation with, I am looking for the "love of my life", in a poor country, you might wind up in a different place but most here are truthful and play no such game.

I personally agree that there are NOT two different ways to deal with women. Finally, often times, if I do not know the person well enough, I leave money on the table, perhaps next to a candy bag for her child or a gift, so they can pick it up without losing face.

BTW, are you a violin player?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2584076]Haha, I was thinking that this is truly bizarre too. Being tied to a post and given 20 lashes for not paying for sex. Really crazy. Even if you had done somthg underhand or malicious, I am still not sure I would condemn you. I remember countless times when a working chica has cheated me. I would simply tihnk it evens up the score a little. TBH I generally do not do mongering for charitable purposes. That is not my primary goal. Haha.[/QUOTE]It seems my messages to get in touch do not go through the clearance.

I will have lunch at the boat house at around 1 pm again. I'm the guy with a red bracelet on his right wrist.

Yes, true you are. If she was no hooker (which I strongly assume), nothing was wrong. In case she should have been a hooker: Lesson learned (or not) on her part.

It's funny. Many people judge (badly) about those, who pay money in exchange of sex (although this was, what both had agreed upon). Some people, as we have learned here, judge those, who don't pay in exchange of sex (again, although this was, what both had agreed upon). Others try not to judge but only to observe peoples behavior.