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[Old And Ugly]

Don't forget that an onward ticket is required twice: once when you arrive in NAIA but also when you first get your boarding pass at your home country Departures. Without an onward ticket it's likely you won't even be allowed to board.

I've had to show an onward ticket at NAIA maybe 25% of the time.

I've had to show an onward ticket at home Departures 100% of the time before being welcomes aboard.

NAIA immigration will accept that extensions are a formality and be ok with a ticket out in 58 days. None of my home airlines will. I always get a dummy ticket for $15. I've never heard of them being refused.

Enjoy. G.

Don't forget the eGovPH app.

[Goferring]

I appreciate there are 'Throwaway Reservation / Ticket' outfits online, who will very-cheaply furnish 'evidence' of a ticket out -- to show airline check-in & immigration on the outward leg. However, these have dubious legal standing and can be rejected -- forcing travellers to buy a full-fare ticket out of the PI at the last moment. There is an American on YT called 'Vagabond Dan', who travels continuously with a 6-foot, Malaysian ex-model; he uses those dodgy tickets most of the time but admits they do get caught occasionally, and have to buy full fare at the last moment to board.

Don't forget that an onward ticket is required twice: once when you arrive in NAIA but also when you first get your boarding pass at your home country Departures. Without an onward ticket it's likely you won't even be allowed to board.

I've had to show an onward ticket at NAIA maybe 25% of the time.

I've had to show an onward ticket at home Departures 100% of the time before being welcomes aboard.

NAIA immigration will accept that extensions are a formality and be ok with a ticket out in 58 days. None of my home airlines will. I always get a dummy ticket for $15. I've never heard of them being refused.

Enjoy. G.

[Trevor2522]

I appreciate there are 'Throwaway Reservation / Ticket' outfits online, who will very-cheaply furnish 'evidence' of a ticket out -- to show airline check-in & immigration on the outward leg. However, these have dubious legal standing and can be rejected -- forcing travellers to buy a full-fare ticket out of the PI at the last moment. There is an American on YT called 'Vagabond Dan', who travels continuously with a 6-foot, Malaysian ex-model; he uses those dodgy tickets most of the time but admits they do get caught occasionally, and have to buy full fare at the last moment to board.

Philippine embassies do offer a 59-day 'Temporary Visitors Visa', which still requires evidence of ticketing, but at least one can book the dates confidently for a 2-month trip, without the need for airline change fees.

Thought I was being clever buying an Oman Air economy 'Flex' ticket with 'No Change Fees'. So I could extend my return date, once in for the initial 30 days. I then extended for 29 days online (permitted once only, apparently), costing ₱3,030, which went through smoothly -- although I did have to email immigration for the result of my application -- the Philippines is notorious for inviting online applications for anything, then totally 'forgetting' to inform the applicant of the result, LOL.

Returning to Oman Air, they want to charge me the same as my original return ticket again ($930), for a one-month extension of the return date. A friend travelling on Emirates was charged a reasonable fee of $140 for his return-date change, partly by being flexible on the timing. Airlines especially take advantage of 'date-changers' at busy times, and charge inflated prices, plus their standard fees. It is difficult to pin them down as to the cost of date changes after departure. I am minded to take a minimal sector refund from Oman Air and book my homeward flight elsewhere. The 'Trading Standards Department' back home will be interested to hear what they are up to: playing their third-world games in the West.

Regarding my earlier point below about the morality of 'compensated dating', as the Japanese call it: if a clear, P4P arrangement is made, that's fine. My point was that most Filipinas on dating sites are willing to go out with foreigners in the conventional sense, and panty-drop after a modicum of 'treats', in prospect of an ongoing relationship. It is up to players' conscience as to whether it is fair to string well-intentioned females along in that way, with little cost or investment being expended.

[WestCoast1]

Was browsing recently looking for a domestic flight here in Phils on the PAL site. Having chosen a flight based on date, time, and Premium Economy, while going thru the process of purchase, I pulled up the seat map. All of the Prem Economy seats were open. I wanted to go back to the previous page to check something and I hit the BACK button. I was directed to the previous page, but then this popped up (see pic). A warning that I should hurry, as seat selection was in danger of closing. Oh my! I went forward and chose one of the available 18 open PE seats (all of them were still available).

BTW the difference in price between the Economy seat and the Prem Economy seat, all-in, was about p900.

[Goferring]

Thank you Goferring. Interesting since I assumed Manila would be cheaper

Don't forget my caveat: like for like. A PL girl in Manila will be cheaper than a AC barfine but that's not like for like. Manila barfines are more expensive than AC and Manila online is more expensive than AC online. Again all things being equal.

I wouldn't regard any of the recent photos of AC girls as ugly. Sir Lance and friends seemed to do well for them selves.

Don't get me start on Jakarta comparisons. If you're there now, don't leave. $30 for two 19 yo's at the Classic? Ain't going to get that anywhere in AC or MNL. 😁.

Enjoy. G.

[Old And Ugly]

Thank you Goferring. Interesting since I assumed Manila would be cheaper (for the Pinalove app date requests) - maybe I should just hang around Pampanga and get a decent hotel there and call it a day. Last trip these three ladies were an indication of quality. Circa 2018. The Central Park Hotel. The one to the right was from a Wolf Pack bar -one from DIA and the other from a Perimiter bar. I would be happy with similar types in looks. I had done Jakarta twice and the ladies there are much better in looks but Indo is different and like you said about Philippines. There isn't much to do. Although in Pattaya there are some things to do. And one can walk on the beach road. But I digress.

I am just scared to death by the lack of good looking ladies in the AC bars and I would be betting the farm that enough ladies are willing to come back to my hotel if I return to Philippines. Plus one poster about 15 posts back (maybe on Angeles City thread) - stated that the AC bar girls are all wanting condoms now. If that attitude has crept over to the apps like Tinder and PinaLove. I'll have do pass on Philippines. But I see Westcoast is a BBFS master. So maybe there is hope!

Thanks. Just want a "sure thing. " Sorry if I am whining. For what its worth the Philippine ladies are the Sweetest and I would like to get back to that GFE I experienced there. But they got to be semi-hot and at least a 7 out of 10 and provide BBFS!

To put it in simple words: you get what you pay for, the sky is the limit. If you really want to have a woman, it does not matter that she is a cherry girl, a supermodel, or a korean only girl, you can have her regardless of your looks, for the right price. They are all the same, they are in the bar to fuck for money, otherwise they will be as far away from there as possible.

[GentileBear]

Thank you Goferring. Interesting since I assumed Manila would be cheaper (for the Pinalove app date requests) - maybe I should just hang around Pampanga and get a decent hotel there and call it a day. Last trip these three ladies were an indication of quality. Circa 2018. The Central Park Hotel. The one to the right was from a Wolf Pack bar -one from DIA and the other from a Perimiter bar. I would be happy with similar types in looks. I had done Jakarta twice and the ladies there are much better in looks but Indo is different and like you said about Philippines. There isn't much to do. Although in Pattaya there are some things to do. And one can walk on the beach road. But I digress.

I am just scared to death by the lack of good looking ladies in the AC bars and I would be betting the farm that enough ladies are willing to come back to my hotel if I return to Philippines. Plus one poster about 15 posts back (maybe on Angeles City thread) - stated that the AC bar girls are all wanting condoms now. If that attitude has crept over to the apps like Tinder and PinaLove. I'll have do pass on Philippines. But I see Westcoast is a BBFS master. So maybe there is hope!

Thanks. Just want a "sure thing. " Sorry if I am whining. For what its worth the Philippine ladies are the Sweetest and I would like to get back to that GFE I experienced there. But they got to be semi-hot and at least a 7 out of 10 and provide BBFS!

[WestCoast1]

YT vid titled 9 Panty Droppers in the Philippines. Vlogger = Smart Girl Philippines, Irish. Filipina dishes how to for 12 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjRpEcifepQ

"Because the man who succeeds in getting the attention of a woman gets to propagate his DNA". Love that quote.

[VictorHugo99]

Mr G,

Once again very impressed by the research based analysis for replying.

Great to see the better to regard the differences between the 2 cities.

Victor.

As usual, it depends. 😁. You don't say what your situation is and what your preferences are.

AC has cheaper girls, accommodation and food. Guys only go for one reason so time to nut is low as girls won't expect any games or prelim dates. Girls are available online, off the street, out in suburbia and, obviously, at the bars. 2 k shortimes are very doable. If your staying a long time, there is very little (nothing? To do besides drink, fuck and sleep but the airport does have good domestic connections to other far more interesting areas. Descriptions of AC as a shithole are very accurate.

Manila is huge so let's define the discussion to the areas popular with foreigners. It's a chaotic mess. Having a girl to come see you from the other side of town can easily be a several hours exercise. Everything is more expensive than AC when comparing like for like. Some bars and girls eyewateringly so. 2 k would be really limiting your options. Lots of nice areas to stay and a lot to see and do when not fucking. Everywhere has ugly and pretty girls but the cream of the crop follow the money and end up in Manila. You are also far more likely to find an absolute stunner simply walking down the street or in a shop buying groceries. Manila airport has connections to everywhere and often multiple flights per day.

[PhilJoy]

Got to love this place.
The land of sweet brown nipples and the immaculate vagina.
_ Phil.

"Immaculate" may be a bit of a stretch. Especially when we're done with them.

Kenji me old mate.

It's remarkable how they all bounce back into perfect condition.

Never had a dodgy vag in The Phils and I must say, there's been a few of them.

Additionally, tits have never been my priority, even with Western women.

Ie: Size has never really mattered, as long as they've got them and they're not fake.

But to me, there's just something about the stiff brown nips of a Filipina.

I just can't put finger on it.

Right at this moment _ Phil.

[Goferring]

Goferring, do you think Manila is better or Pampanga is best to use as a base station for fun? I have been to Pampanga prior to 2018 but from all the reading here about AC. I won't waste money in AC bars for 5's and 6's. I am leaning on trying out Manila. But concerned the offer of 1500 or 2000 pesos might work better in Pampanga area? Yeah I know I could simply change hotels. But curious about your opinions. And if others want to chime in- cool! I have in the past used PinaLove and Tinder. From the way I discern Angeles City (Pampanga) area. Lots of ladies are simply not wanting to be Stuck at bar. And prefer to be freelancers.

As usual, it depends. 😁. You don't say what your situation is and what your preferences are.

AC has cheaper girls, accommodation and food. Guys only go for one reason so time to nut is low as girls won't expect any games or prelim dates. Girls are available online, off the street, out in suburbia and, obviously, at the bars. 2 k shortimes are very doable. If your staying a long time, there is very little (nothing? To do besides drink, fuck and sleep but the airport does have good domestic connections to other far more interesting areas. Descriptions of AC as a shithole are very accurate.

Manila is huge so let's define the discussion to the areas popular with foreigners. It's a chaotic mess. Having a girl to come see you from the other side of town can easily be a several hours exercise. Everything is more expensive than AC when comparing like for like. Some bars and girls eyewateringly so. 2 k would be really limiting your options. Lots of nice areas to stay and a lot to see and do when not fucking. Everywhere has ugly and pretty girls but the cream of the crop follow the money and end up in Manila. You are also far more likely to find an absolute stunner simply walking down the street or in a shop buying groceries. Manila airport has connections to everywhere and often multiple flights per day.

Why not visit both, allow some flexibility in your bookings, and stay where ever you like the most?

I should emphasise that I don't hang out at gogos any more, dislike AC and haven't been back for years so I might be biased.

Having said that: if I only had a few days, I wouldn't even leave Manila; if I had more time then I would include AC and stay longer if I liked it.

Enjoy. G.

[GentileBear]

Goferring, do you think Manila is better or Pampanga is best to use as a base station for fun? I have been to Pampanga prior to 2018 but from all the reading here about AC. I won't waste money in AC bars for 5's and 6's. I am leaning on trying out Manila. But concerned the offer of 1500 or 2000 pesos might work better in Pampanga area? Yeah I know I could simply change hotels. But curious about your opinions. And if others want to chime in- cool! I have in the past used PinaLove and Tinder. From the way I discern Angeles City (Pampanga) area. Lots of ladies are simply not wanting to be Stuck at bar. And prefer to be freelancers.

[Goferring]

At what point do you stop the analysis and technical shit and just buy a burger and eat it? Dude has to be an engineer or statistician. I know one board member who is an engineer, and after his trips he compiles all these stats. Hell, I can't even remember the names of the chicks I fucked.

I remember a poster who had been preparing for a trip for months, chatting to girls online, getting details and planning dates. He built a massive spreadsheet of times vs names, prioritised by looks with backup plans A to Z should girls flake, arrive late or be Godzilla.

I think I'm the end he fucked maybe two girls over two weeks.

I prefer to just arrive and start messaging. The first to knock on my door wins 1000 peso. If they are fun, then they get to come back again.

Enjoy. G.

[Old And Ugly]

I am not so nice with it. I rub it in and make them feel ashamed for trying to pull some bullshit. I especially would not give them money for wasting my time.

I know that I'm nice when I don't supposed to be, but I'm just thinking how desperate they must be and I don't want to put them down more than they are already, few dollars doesn't mean nothing to me, and my time is already wasted. To top it off I must say that also I'm not the confrontational type, and now that I'm old I try to avoid embarrassing situations where yelling may be involved.

[KenjiYoshioka]

Got to love this place.

The land of sweet brown nipples and the immaculate vagina.

_ Phil.

"Immaculate" may be a bit of a stretch. Especially when we're done with them.