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  1. #6469

    Are there still FL's in the park by GloriettaMall?

    Saw this post back in 2002. Do these FL's still exist?

    You know. The park / garden in front of Makati's Shangrila Hotel? Yes, the one with lotsa benches with many gals lounging around? Well guess what, many of the gals are available FLs. Mostly are staff of the dept store like Landmark and Shoe-Mark or GloriettaMall. When shopping hour is over (around 8.30 pm or 9 pm) you will find lotsa them waiting for customers at the park.

    Also at the park you will be approach by many OKTs one of which I got to know, goes by the name JUN, his home number 758 9899. Had a long chat with him while at the same time introducing me to many of the FLs.

    Found that you can get a FL overnight for just 2000 Peso. (S $80) Good thing is that you can speak to gal first, to get to know what she is like, what she does / will not do and you can also tell her yr preferences. Or you could tell her yr hotel room no and she cud call / come to yr room, this way she doesn't need to pay a cut to the OKT, and you might another discount this way. He he he!

    If you are adventurous, you can also go direct to the source, either Landmark or Shoemart to 'sian' the gals, ask them out to join you for dinner, followed by 'breakfast', if you know what I mean.

  2. #6468
    Quote Originally Posted by Etaoin2003  [View Original Post]
    From what I gather (forum posts and YouTube videos) P. Burgos has a bunch of clubs where you have to go indoors, rather than sidewalk-oriented bars as you might see in some other Asian countries. And street options are dangerous and / or ladyboys. Am I right?

    If I don't have the option of taking a girl back to my hotel, am I limited to massage shops, or are there short-time rooms nearby?
    All of the clubs in P. Burgos and in Makati / Manila / AC that I know of you have to go indoors. There are several cafes on the street that you can eat / drink from to observe the scene and watch the ladyboys, FLs, and massage girls. Is the street scene dangerous? It all depends on if you take basic precautions and are smart about it, some will try and scam you and others will be just fine. There are several short time hotels within a couple of blocks of P. Burgos you can rent for 2 or 3 hours at a time.

  3. #6467
    Quote Originally Posted by Sirvladi  [View Original Post]
    Tip 500 in a rolled up wad that she had to unwind to count. By the time she did, I was outside.

    I don't understand. Are you proud that you are tipping a lot or embarrassed that you tip little? Why do you need to roll up your tip?
    Rolled it up because I felt it was too little for an hour of her time considering one of them let me finger her and whatever. But I was being cheap because doing this in 3/4 bars each night can easily eat up a lot of cash before you know it. 3 x 390, one drink for me, tip for waitress, tip for girl. Ends up being $50 for an hour.

    I can end up spending $200+ before I walk outside and find a girl on the streets which is OK but probably more than others do.

    Someone (mantanaman I think) keeps talking about how the the girls should be lucky to get a couple of dollars an hour because that's what they would earn in 7-11. But this is not 7-11 montanaman. These girls are letting us put out bits inside them and probably expect / deserve to earn a bit more than the $5 you feel is appropriate. It might make you feel like the Alpha male because you get to screw (financially) a Filippina but others try to show at least a bit of respect.

  4. #6466

    Funny

    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaMonger  [View Original Post]
    So your giving out tips on what to do with a bar fine having not bar fined girls in 42 days of being in manila? These are not tips they are hearsay paranoia. Have you personally had girls steal from you in the past? You might be a paranoid schizophrenic worrying about things that never happen. I have been mongering religiously for well over 20 years now and during that time I have never so much has a candy bar eaten or stolen from my room. As a mater of fact i have had girls leave the tip money because they were insulted that i still thought of them as working girls and not a girlfriend, they put money BACK.

    The real tip is not to be paranoid about t

    You need to tip a lot less when the girls don't do anything in the bars 100-200 is more than enough. These girls are not "masters at deception" this is the lowest level of deception you will run into. Your report about the pulls was solid but ruined by these paranoid delusions you have they are ridiculous, harmful to noobs.
    My comments are based on conversations with the girls. They are not personal experience. I didn't see the Chinese customer who lost his money at the casino and then jumped of the Makati Palace Hotel roof, but I know it happened. That's the reason the hotel now has a second card that lets you access the lift. Just because you know what to do doesn't mean everyone knows what to do. I was trying to help newcomers.

    I didn't know about the teaching English scam in China where the girls come you to you and ask you to follow them to a tea house to chat. If I hadn't read about that beforehand I could have been a victim.

  5. #6465

    This makes me laugh

    Tip 500 in a rolled up wad that she had to unwind to count. By the time she did, I was outside.

    I don't understand. Are you proud that you are tipping a lot or embarrassed that you tip little? Why do you need to roll up your tip?

  6. #6464

    Exactly why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidtip  [View Original Post]
    I decided to try AC to compare. I will post in the AC thread. Makati in my opinion kills AC. AC in my opinion is a waste of time.
    Quality of girls?

    Surely can't be price?

    Exactly which bars -surely Perimeter Bars in AC give best VFM?

    NI.

  7. #6463
    Quote Originally Posted by Sidtip  [View Original Post]
    When they steal your passport or phone call the police and get them to stake out the handover when you go to pay the "ransom"' if this happens to you. DO not be a stupid weak Asian and pay the money.
    So your giving out tips on what to do with a bar fine having not bar fined girls in 42 days of being in manila? These are not tips they are hearsay paranoia. Have you personally had girls steal from you in the past? You might be a paranoid schizophrenic worrying about things that never happen. I have been mongering religiously for well over 20 years now and during that time I have never so much has a candy bar eaten or stolen from my room. As a mater of fact i have had girls leave the tip money because they were insulted that i still thought of them as working girls and not a girlfriend, they put money BACK.

    The real tip is not to be paranoid about the questionable girls you bring into your room learn how to recognize questionable girls to begin with. Your racial jab at "Asians" is moot, you think stupid (insert race here) is not universal? Stupid people from other races don't exist? If you are not man enough to handle a threesome and scared out of your mind stay away, same goes for lady boys if you are scared of them stay away.

    Parties with multiple girls are for confident people, people that know how to handle themselves, beta males always have a hard time with situation like that its more of if you are a beta don't do threesomes rather than they are all bad. Some of these girls don't know what to do so you need to be the conductor and take control. Girls who do this in massage parlors will do this automatically but you need to tell them to lick your balls while you are fucking and to caress your back a lot of them are clueless if they don't know what they are doing you got to man up and tell them exactly what you want instead of just complaining about it, that is on you.

    You need to tip a lot less when the girls don't do anything in the bars 100-200 is more than enough. These girls are not "masters at deception" this is the lowest level of deception you will run into. Your report about the pulls was solid but ruined by these paranoid delusions you have they are ridiculous, harmful to noobs.

  8. #6462

    Manila day 5 etc

    I decided to try AC to compare. I will post in the AC thread. Makati in my opinion kills AC. AC in my opinion is a waste of time.

  9. #6461

    Makati day 2

    Day 2.

    So I toured the bars a bit sticking to water and just a couple of drinks for a girl in bottoms. Got a pizza delivered to the club and gave the leftovers to the girl with me and her freeloading friend who got the cold bits after we had finished what we wanted. The girl was nice but not as frisky / playful as I wanted so I tipped her 700 in the same fashion. Rolled up wad of small notes and headed out before she had time to unroll it and count it. Didn't even get to finger her but she was quite good looking with all those layers of makeup.

    Headed outside and found one of the girls looking at her phone and asked if she was busy. Offered 2000 peso for 2 hours for much the same deal. 2 hour headjob with sex at the end and CIM. She was happy and so was I. No tip again because I didn't want to see her again.

    Day 3.

    Went outside about 11 am. Saw a cute little thing on the filling station corner. Looked 19 but ended up being 25 with a child. Small. Cute. Sexy. Offered 2000 for 2 hours. She was the best of all of them. I asked her to put her head on my thigh and just lick it and touch it but she wanted to put it in her mouth. I had told her earlier that I didn't want sex but after 2 hours asked her if she would stay longer. I offered another 2000 for 2 more hours of the same with a fuck in the middle, then a wash and eventual cum in her mouth.

    The girls all said that they had days in a row with no customers. So faced with another wasted night, they all accepted my offer and gave a lot in return. These girls were all young and trim, even the one who had a baby didn't have an clear traces.

    The young one that did reject me had insisted that I also take her friend and there is just no way I need two girls anymore. It is not twice as good. It just costs twice as much and they do half the work. One will fuck while other other plays with her phone. The only way to insure a proper threesome would be to make them promise they will lick each other etc and that if they didn't then the price payable would be half. These girls are masters at deception and the only way to beat them is to know their tricks beforehand.

  10. #6460

    Makati stories

    Just back from a week in Manila. Decided to try AC to compare. This is just another bunch of random thoughts that might help someone.

    First night went straight to Shampoo and ordered WATER. I've been to these bars quite a few times and am now more than happy to say no to everyone and just take what I want. I don't donate to their Christmas fund, tip mama or the cleaner or whoever else comes with their hands out. A couple of girls sat beside me but I told them I just wanted to look and relax for a while and told them that they would be wasting time with me and that they should get ready for the next customer. As I had walked in this skinny little flat chested girl walked past me on the way from the staffroom back to her customer. She was walking around topless which is pretty unusual in this place. But there was another girl also topless. She saw me stare and knew I kept watching her while turning away all the other girls. Eventually the dude she was with leaves and she comes over. One drink (390 peso) and she lets me get a finger inside her. She takes off her bikini bottom to give me better access which is also unusual. I went in for the g-spot and she got so wet there was water on the seat. It was so funny. She had to use all the tissues to clean herself and the seat. But the dude had said he was coming back in an hour and I didn't want to pregress things with her past two drinks so I left, explaining I didn't want to upset the other dude. Tip 500 in a rolled up wad that she had to unwind to count. By the time she did, I was outside.

    In 6 visits to Makati spanning about 42 days I have never barfined anyone. I tried it in AC as you will see below.

    So after walking out of Shampoo I stuck my head through the curtains of a couple of other clubs. There were all pretty dead and I didn't see anyone I liked so I didn't bother going in. I am over buying a drink in each place and maybe a LD and a tip just to have a look. I just peer through the curtains and move on if I don't like.

    Then I walked the street a bit more. There are so many ladyboys in this street that it is getting ridiculous. I can usually tell but asked on a price without realising. Luckily it was honest.

    Now a couple of tips. Ladyboys are usually banned from most hotels because they cause trouble. Good hotel staff will often say. Are you happy to have a ladyboy visit you"to tip you off and warn you. But many get through and when the customer makes the discovery the ladyboy demands payment still. They have been known to threaten to smash the tv, or your phone if you don't pay. They and the girls have been knows to take passports and phones and leave the room and demand cash for their return. [Racial Epithet(s) Deleted by Admin]

    If you are approached by two girls you are probably going to be ripped off either in time or money. While one is fucking you the other will be off the bed pretending to walk around for a better position but have a hand wandering to your pants pocket.

    Makati palace hotel has room safes. Bellagio does not. Bellagio has shit internet. Makati palace internet was upgraded last week. Best western oxford is better than Bellagio and equal to Makati palace. Filling station is overpriced. If you have two girls they will gang up to cut your time short and they will whinge the whole time about leaving, too much sex or whatever. You will always lose against two.

    When they steal your passport or phone call the police and get them to stake out the handover when you go to pay the "ransom"' if this happens to you. DO not be a stupid weak Asian and pay the money.

    So after shampoo I walk the street. There are so many tiny over 18 girls this week compared to other visits. I made low offers of 2000 for 2 hours to a couple of them and they all said they wanted to come with a friend. Their aim is to use the distraction trick. Some of them have apparently worked out how to open the room safes. A couple got away with 70,000 - 100,000 peso. Police were involved but they just vanish for a couple of weeks and by that time the customer has gone home.

    If they say that they have a room they are probably ladyboys. Or they want to scam you. The massage girls in uniforms are different. They have a proper place. But if its a normal freelancer you are going to be scammed in a private room.

    Nothing I say is 100% always as the regulars will tell you but I am just trying to help people keep their wits about them. We all get scammed from time to time. A taxi driver got me this time but I'm less stupid that I used to be and I always talk to the girls about their scams and laugh about the stupid customers. The girls all know the tricks and some say that they feel uncomfortable about the theft when they are doing a double but that if they do a daouble with a ladyboy they sometimes feel scared of the ladyboy.

    The older hookers are the best scammers. They have been stealing for so long that they are experts. Stupid old men who go with old hookers. Beware.

    So I approach a 20 year old massage girl and explain I want to do some work on my computer on the bed while she gives me a blowjob. I say 2000 for 2 hours. Just lie with your head on my thigh and kiss and sck it for two hours. She says yes and that's what she did. She didn't leave early because I said the money would be cut proportionally if she did. She was nice and I was nice. She lay there and talked and licked it.

    I didn't tip. I wasn't going to see her again. End of night 1.

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  11. #6459
    Quote Originally Posted by DOG228  [View Original Post]
    Well long story short end of night something she said made me flirt asked her home and she came. We smashed 3 times I forgot condom she kept making me stop because "its too much" and she needed break.
    Looks like you could be going back to the Philippines more often as you may have another kid to look after there in 8 months.

  12. #6458
    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]
    BKK Cowboy, Nana, Patong Go Go's:

    Barfine: 700 baht to 1500 baht depending on the bar and the classification of the girl. Agency girls are priced accordingly.
    Service: 2500 baht to 3000 baht ST. Although 3000 is rapidly becoming the default price. Lower prices are available depending on the bar and the closer it gets to closing time.
    Incidentals (lady drinks): 250 baht to 500 baht depending on the bar. A few bars like Baccara have a 2 lady drink minimum before takeout.

    Total: 3450 baht to 5000 baht ($112 to $162).

    Burgos:

    Barfine at the top 3 bars (Plan B, Kojax, Bottoms) 3900 p.
    Service: 3500 p to 3900 p ST.
    Incidentals (lady drinks): first 2 or 3 will be taken off the bill if you mention it first to the mamasan and barfine the girl. Otherwise you pay.

    Total (in top 3 Burgos bars / less in others): 7400 p ($145).

    Yes, Yes. Yes; we all know AC Go Go prices are uniformly less even in the most expensive Fields bars. But everyone should spend some time in both places (AC & MNL) to see for themselves whether the higher Burgos price is justified in the key areas of better quality girls, better service, and or less BS. As to comparing Burgos St. to BKK; Soi Cowboy, Nana, and Patpong: I think Burgos is far better than Soi Cowboy at the moment while Nana and Patpong have many more girls and more opportunities than Burgos St.

    However, having just spent 5. 5 weeks in Bangkok & 4 nights in Pattaya recently before arriving in MNL for a 2 week romp, it was very interesting to experience the differences between the girls. The one thing I will say about MNL girls is they don't hold back. They are all in, sexually speaking, like more anything goes plus they seem to really enjoy getting laid and having orgasms. A lot more than Thai girls, I think. The only downside I observed was that a couple of them kept saying, "Oh fuck" or "Oh shit" while getting penetrated and I kind of didn't like it and wished they hadn't said anything. LOL. Thai girls so much demurer and I like that about them.

    I also had fun over at the EDSA Entertainment Complex. My advice is don't overlook EDSA when in Manila. I liked Firehouse and the Samba Club. Great girls and slightly less expensive than my favorite 3 Burgos Bars. I also highly recommend the Royal Club near Burgos ST. This is FL heaven and a far better pick up joint than Thermae on Soi Sukhumvit IMHO.
    Based on my experience this is a very realistic and spot on comparison between the two options. I would like to add a detail for those looking for LT experience rather than ST; LT in Bangkok these days can be very expensive and actually many girls only accept ST. In my experience the Burgos bargirls are more interested in LT and the price mentioned (3500 - 3900 peso) will normally mean the girl will stay long into the next day. Go-go girls do not have day time jobs normally so they do not get up early! In fact, in 10 years or so I have mongered in Manila around 90% of them actually prefer to stay with me the whole night. It is a matter of chemistry and of course you are KING so you can decide if you want to keep her the whole night. The pick-up nightclub Royal Club as mentioned is only 3-4 minutes walk from Burgos St. And price here is around 2-3000 peso and in my experience 70% will stay LT for that price. I would also add that the difference in girls between Nana Plaza / Cowboy and Burgos is more on the individual level. There are bad and good girls in both areas. But there is in my opinion a great difference in the go-go bars; Bangkok go-go bars are far superior as the girls actually dance or do a show. In Burgos they just stand on the scene and most of them look bored. And as NB mention; there is only 2-3 bars in Burgos with good looking girls; Kojax, Plan be and to some extent Bottoms.

  13. #6457
    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaMonger  [View Original Post]
    The reason for this is philipinas get fucked way less often some girls in nana plaza turn out 3-4 tricks a night. These girls in phils usually take the barfine for the night plus your tip and go home to their kids. Thai girls are in it for the money most of the time.
    The thing is that most Thai girls come from out of town to Bangkok for the sole purpose of making money. And many of them do have normal daytime jobs. Most Filipinas that I meet are from Metro Manila and don't have a job to speak of. Thais have goals set and are looking to make those goals. Many chicks have bought land and put houses on land by turning tricks. They look at the long term. They want to make all the money they can so they can finally start their pig farm or whatever. Everyday you see them at the ATM putting money into the account to pay bills or for a person back home to take out on the other end to pay stuff. I have never heard a Filipina even mentioning wanting to own anything. Seems a lot of them only go out sporadically when they need money at random times like when somebody is sick or something is due. They are looking for money that they need for the immediate moment.

  14. #6456
    Quote Originally Posted by MontanaMonger  [View Original Post]
    The reason for this is philipinas get fucked way less often some girls in nana plaza turn out 3-4 tricks a night. These girls in phils usually take the barfine for the night plus your tip and go home to their kids. Thai girls are in it for the money most of the time. The further into non touristy Thailand you go the better the sex gets. Some freelancers in phils do it bi-weekly or sometimes once a week so your much more likely you get girls that are not as sexual worn out. Which is why I spend most of my time in Thailand in the very northern regions away from farang. The one advantage to phils in general like you pointed out is that sexual fatigue is not as much of an issue and is the main reason why I frequent phils over thailand. I think that Filipinas are still pretty reserved sexually they very rarely swallow or rim and a lot don't do anal and complain constantly about the fucking light. I've had plenty of Vietnamese girls that I literally have marks all over my body as if I was in a fight scratches and bite marks I wouldn't say filipinas are "all in" sexually maybe emotionally but not "sexually.
    Yes, I have been meaning to head back up to Northern Thailand. I was last there in 2009. I had a great time back then. There is not as much selection obviously, but when you find a young girl to your liking, look out! Pure GFE, Thai style.

    I agree with your "all in" comments. But since I hardly ever cum outside of a girl's vagina, it just skipped my mind. The 2 places where I consistently enjoy rim jobs and gnarly rim job 69's are in Macau Saunas like Rio with Chinese & Vietnamese girls and top end BKK soapies like Maria Hotel & Spa. In most other situations no matter the country (LOS, the PI, Indonesia, Cambodia) its just not readily available and I don't even bother to inquire. Don't really care.

    But I still had a lot of fairly wild, "all in" (my version 555), good times in MNL. One example of what I am talking about was with a Royal Club FL, a 19-year-old fire cracker. The 1st time we were together she turned on the overhead rain nozzle in the shower, stood directly underneath it, pulled me under with her, and we shagged bareback under the waterfall. It was pretty dynamite! Later after sex, she proudly told me that she had starred in her own porn video on Trike Patrol when she was 18. I have since downloaded a pirate version of that video. She was her sexy self in the video and shined taking it in all 3 holes. Sadly her co star is a bit of a dufus and kind of spoiled it for me. I asked her if she liked doing the anal part and she said, "no, it hurt." I wouldn't have known looking at the video. Ha Ha. She is a good actress. She told me she was paid 15,000p for her performance.

  15. #6455
    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]
    The one thing I will say about Filipinas is they don't hold back. They are all in, sexually speaking, like more anything goes and they seem to really enjoy getting laid and having orgasms. A lot more than Thai girls, I think. The only downside I observed was that a couple of them kept saying, "Oh fuck" or "Oh shit" while getting penetrated and I kind of didn't like it and wished they hadn't said anything. LOL. Thai girls so much demurer and I like that about them..
    The reason for this is philipinas get fucked way less often some girls in nana plaza turn out 3-4 tricks a night. These girls in phils usually take the barfine for the night plus your tip and go home to their kids. Thai girls are in it for the money most of the time. The further into non touristy Thailand you go the better the sex gets. Some freelancers in phils do it bi-weekly or sometimes once a week so your much more likely you get girls that are not as sexual worn out. Which is why I spend most of my time in Thailand in the very northern regions away from farang. The one advantage to phils in general like you pointed out is that sexual fatigue is not as much of an issue and is the main reason why I frequent phils over thailand. I think that philippinas are still pretty reserved sexually they very rarely swallow or rim and a lot don't do anal and complain constantly about the fucking light. I've had plenty of Vietnamese girls that I literally have marks all over my body as if I was in a fight scratches and bite marks I wouldn't say philipinas are "all in" sexually maybe emotionally but not "sexually.

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