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  1. #6840
    Quote Originally Posted by KabulGuy  [View Original Post]
    My go to place in the daytime is Abaca Spa. They offer a standard good massage plus HJ for 1200,2000 with 2 girls and 2000 for 1 1/2 or 2 hour massage. I have never been short timed there.

    Anything else is definitely not allowed and touching is also off the table.

    Every '10th trip is free if you get the loyalty card. You are assigned a therapist and not allowed to pick.

    I like to go just after 8 AM as that is the shift change and you get a fresh and rested girl.
    Last month I visited Abaca spa in Antipolo. It took some time to locate the spa. They have only a small paper poster on the wall showing it upstairs. I went at 4. 30 PM and girls available were not free. So I fixed an appointment at 8 Pm and came back. Two hour massage was excellent. They have a branch in AC but I couldn't locate it in google map.

    So better take a prior appointment in Abaca spa in Antipolo for their wonderful two hour massage.

    Regards.

  2. #6839

    Excellent Report

    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]

    2. Jakarta. Hot girls! I really am attracted to these girls. Prettier than Pinays IMHO. The city sucks, but nightlife is great and although there are no Go Go's to speak of anymore. CGK is a bordello town. A ST bordello session will cost anywhere from $20 to $144 depending on the Bordello (Classic to Malio Club).
    Very nice comparison.

    Singapore for sure lost its charm. I had a bit of fun in KL but to me Jakarta is a great place and unspoiled place for night life (yet).

    This. Jakarta if you know how to choose the girls and right venue. As rightly said, it is a bordello town. Surprisingly you may find a cute girl on even a cheap one. Alternatively, If you know how to approach locals in other areas in Indonesia, it will get addictive. I cut down my punting budget in Melbourne these days.

    I had been to Manila last year for work. I couldn't enjoy much. May be learning ropes.

  3. #6838
    Quote Originally Posted by KabulGuy  [View Original Post]
    My go to place in the daytime is Abaca Spa.
    Thank you. This is precisely the sort of help I was hoping for. Abacca was already on my list. It has now moved to the top, assuming the volcano air quality allows me to be outside.

  4. #6837
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyCrazy  [View Original Post]
    Any suggestions for daytime action in Makati?....
    My go to place in the daytime is Abaca Spa. They offer a standard good massage plus HJ for 1200,2000 with 2 girls and 2000 for 1 1/2 or 2 hour massage. I have never been short timed there.

    Anything else is definitely not allowed and touching is also off the table.

    Every '10th trip is free if you get the loyalty card. You are assigned a therapist and not allowed to pick.

    I like to go just after 8 AM as that is the shift change and you get a fresh and rested girl.

  5. #6836
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyCrazy  [View Original Post]
    I realize that I am paying for an illusion, just like seeing a movie. Since I am not a robot, I can feel real human emotions while watching pictures on a screen.

    If a working girl is a good actor, I will feel a human connection to her.
    That is where you have the game fucked up. You are paying to stick your dick into some pussy, not all those illusions and shit. Get it together man!

    Are you getting a human connection when you pay the service charge for the waitress to bring your food and she smiles and tells you to enjoy your meal?

  6. #6835
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyCrazy  [View Original Post]
    Question. Is there a forum for providers (in a parallel universe) where she posts about our encounter, and she receives the same advice?
    That is like asking do resturants have reverse yelps where they can go and rate the customers. When she describes ShinyCrazy on the site is she talking about the one from Australia or Canada? The one with the beard or the one with red hair? The one that does not drink or the one who is married and likes 3somes with his wife? There are 8 million ShinyCrazys moving about this planet. Pretty easy for us because most of these chicks are static, so it is easy to talk about Mary Jane Rottencrotch with the A cups that works at Kojax. But mongers are in and out of bars by the ton day in and day out, just like customers are in and out of McDonald's.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyCrazy  [View Original Post]
    Why is it always the customers fault when the provider doesn't bother to find out the customers expectations? She asked me nothing and mentioned no limitations other than time.

    By the way, I do partially subscribe to the "leave it a mystery" club. If everything is completely spelled out in excruciating detail, the magic is lost.
    Because the saying goes "BUYER beware". There are tons of sellers around the world knowingly and unknowingly selling lemons and bullshit. Before agreeing to fork over your money, YOU better be sure of what you will get for it. They already agreed to the money they would accept, so as long as it is not counterfeit what would the seller care? For them, the less questions you ask the better, so they can always say they would have never agreed to that or as they do in some places tell you it will cost more for that.

  7. #6834

    The Magic of Love

    Quote Originally Posted by MutantChicken  [View Original Post]
    Why is it the customers fault?, because you as the purchaser are responsible for your own safety, hence expressions like buyer beware or caveat emptor and is a applied legal principle going back hundreds of years in the English legal system. If you choose not to look after your own interest choosing to "leave it a mystery" then you should expect more disappointment in the future as this hobby will only get more competitive. You are going to working girls where they have SEX with you for money, you are expecting the magic of what, LOVE?
    That seems pretty cynical to me.

    I realize that I am paying for an illusion, just like seeing a movie. Since I am not a robot, I can feel real human emotions while watching pictures on a screen.

    If a working girl is a good actor, I will feel a human connection to her. If not, I am better off financially by buying a rubber sex doll.

    If I am especially lucky, it is more than acting or illusion. It isn't "love", but there is the tiny spark of a real human connection, like a first date. I've experienced that much more when mongering in South America and Spain than in non-Spanish Europe and Asia. When it happens, it is magic and I make plans to repeat with that provider.

    BTW, I think that DATY divides mongers into two categories. I am the kind of guy who always wants / needs DATY. It isn't because it makes me feel good, it is because I want the girl to feel good. It shows her that I recognize that she is a real human being. Likewise, I've noticed that girls who refuse DATY are the coldest and most emotionally distant providers.

    If I were the kind of guy who only wanted to pump and dump, I wouldn't care about that human connection. It would be strictly a commercial event for me.

  8. #6833

    Amen, brother

    Opportunity came knocking and she only wanted to open the door halfway.

    Amen, brother. Makes my head explode. If I were in her shoes, I'the be scrambling for every peso.

  9. #6832
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyCrazy  [View Original Post]
    After the first round, she showered and put her dress back on. I am thinking WTF. We have another hour and a half! She wouldn't budge. I told her that I would only pay half, and she was fine with that.

    I do not understand. She could double her money for the night by working for another hour and a half (or maybe only 15 minutes), but she would rather leave?
    If anything, that should give you an idea of what 1750 pesos is really worth around there, since she opted not to stick around to double it. And everyone wa nts to say how poor and in need these chicks are. I for one do not feel sorry for them. Opportunity came knocking and she only wanted to open the door halfway.

    Recently I knew about a great job opportunity in Manila and I sent it to several chicks that I know, including my ex-girlfriend that works massage in Angeles. She made up every excuse why she could not do it, then concluded that it would be better for me to marry her then she could get a job in the States. That will be a cold day in hell. The lord helps those that help themselves, and a lot of mfs are not trying to help themselves.
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  10. #6831
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyCrazy  [View Original Post]
    Question. Is there a forum for providers (in a parallel universe) where she posts about our encounter, and she receives the same advice?

    Why is it always the customers fault when the provider doesn't bother to find out the customers expectations? She asked me nothing and mentioned no limitations other than time.

    By the way, I do partially subscribe to the "leave it a mystery" club. If everything is completely spelled out in excruciating detail, the magic is lost.
    Why is it the customers fault?, because you as the purchaser are responsible for your own safety, hence expressions like buyer beware or caveat emptor and is a applied legal principle going back hundreds of years in the English legal system. If you choose not to look after your own interest choosing to "leave it a mystery" then you should expect more disappointment in the future as this hobby will only get more competitive. You are going to working girls where they have SEX with you for money, you are expecting the magic of what, LOVE?

  11. #6830
    Quote Originally Posted by WestCoast1  [View Original Post]
    Question. If she had given 1 pop, then stayed for the full 3 hours and refused a second pop, you would be OK to that, as that would have fulfilled her 3 hour obligation? Alternately, if she had stayed for 3 hours and given no pops, would that have fulfilled her obligation? My point is: Did you discuss with her you expectations in advance? Full discussion in advance takes 30 seconds, then you don't need a lawyer. "Ya 3 hours if it includes completely naked, no condom, mouth, pussy, camera, all the pops I want". Gosh, 10 seconds. You gents should not leave anything to chance if its important to you. OTOH I know gents who will not do this kind of thing, as they want to see just how it will unfold, what she will and will not do.
    Question. Is there a forum for providers (in a parallel universe) where she posts about our encounter, and she receives the same advice?

    Why is it always the customers fault when the provider doesn't bother to find out the customers expectations? She asked me nothing and mentioned no limitations other than time.

    By the way, I do partially subscribe to the "leave it a mystery" club. If everything is completely spelled out in excruciating detail, the magic is lost.

  12. #6829

    Splitting Hairs.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyCrazy  [View Original Post]
    But we never discussed "short time" or "long time". She just walked up to me and offered 3 hours in my hotel room. I know the lingo of ST=1 pop in SE Asia, but we never discussed short time versus long time. These girls should be lawyers. You need a pre-nup just for sex.
    With Burgos Street Bars in most cases if you are paying her 3,500 it's assumed to be ST and one pop unless you negotiate with her for LT. Usually they will ask more $$$ for LT or they may not be available for LT (getting back to kids, etc). It's just really important to have a clear agreement of expectations including full amount, time, pops, and menu items before you pay their BF. Some Burgos Bar girls you can get LT for 3,500 but that almost always requires negotiating before leaving the bar.

  13. #6828
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinyCrazy  [View Original Post]
    But we never discussed "short time" or "long time". She just walked up to me and offered 3 hours in my hotel room. I know the lingo of ST=1 pop in SE Asia, but we never discussed short time versus long time. These girls should be lawyers. You need a pre-nup just for sex.
    Question. If she had given 1 pop, then stayed for the full 3 hours and refused a second pop, you would be OK to that, as that would have fulfilled her 3 hour obligation? Alternately, if she had stayed for 3 hours and given no pops, would that have fulfilled her obligation? My point is: Did you discuss with her you expectations in advance? Full discussion in advance takes 30 seconds, then you don't need a lawyer. "Ya 3 hours if it includes completely naked, no condom, mouth, pussy, camera, all the pops I want". Gosh, 10 seconds. You gents should not leave anything to chance if its important to you. OTOH I know gents who will not do this kind of thing, as they want to see just how it will unfold, what she will and will not do.

  14. #6827

    Smooci versus Burgos

    Volcanic ash falling around Manila. Everyone is told to stay inside to avoid breathing the fumes. Can't make it to Burgos, so time to try Smooci.

    Booked "Yuri" for 2 hours (and specifically 2 pops). She subsequently contacts me via WhatsApp to tell me she's going to cancel our Smooci booking, but she wants to continue the booking via WhatsApp. Sounds sketchy to me, like she's trying to cheat Smooci out of their cut, but I don't know their business model. She also asked for an additional 700 pesos for transportation costs, which I very reluctantly agreed to.

    She shows up fairly promptly, brushes teeth and takes a below the waist shower. Her face is about a 6 (it was covered up in her Smooci pics). She is quiet and friendly and slightly shy. She removes her towel and has a raised red scar from a see-section and red scars below each breast, although her breasts were modest and didn't seem silicone. Not sure what the breast scars were about.

    Anyhow, she's a great kisser and very enthusiastic. After some prolonged DATY during which she came twice, I finish in missionary at about the 1 hour mark. At this point, she rinses off and puts her clothes on and asks if she can leave (because her babysitter texted her that her child has a fever and needs medicine, which was obviously a crock of nonsense). Here we go again! Flake out yet again. I'm starting to wonder if any Pina girl in history has ever provided a second pop.

    I told her that I would only pay half and she wasn't going to accept that. She says she needs the money. She tells me that her one hour fee for Smooci is 6500 (rather than the 7500 for two hour /2 pops) and she'll give me 1000 back, and I wasn't going to accept that. I told her I would never have booked her for one hour, since the per pop rate was insane. She got grumpy and sullen, but agreed to stay for the second round. Given the fact that this wasn't going to be as mutually pleasant as the first pop, I opted for BBBJ / CIM with simultaneous prostate massage. Figured that I'the get my money's worth.

    Once again, these Pina girls are much flakier than any other girls I can think of. Thai girls can be flaky, but this is something else altogether. So far, in my limited experience, Pinas don't want to stick to the original agreement and are willing to turn a very pleasant experience into a grumpy one rather than finish the job, yet they need the money.

    Given the value for money, I would opt for Burgos over Smooci at this point.

  15. #6826

    Not to split hairs

    Quote Originally Posted by Issaquah  [View Original Post]
    ST = 1 Pop or your 2-3 hours whichever comes first unless you have pre-negotiated for more than one pop.
    But we never discussed "short time" or "long time". She just walked up to me and offered 3 hours in my hotel room. I know the lingo of ST=1 pop in SE Asia, but we never discussed short time versus long time. These girls should be lawyers. You need a pre-nup just for sex.

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