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  1. #18424
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    I would go as far as to say don't ever send money even if you have met a girl. If you just need to feel warm and fuzzy then ok. But in all these years I have been no worse off because I did not send money; whether it has been normal girlfriend or hooker. If a chick gets angry or does not talk to you anymore because you did not send money, then you know why she was there in the first place; and it was not for your good looks, charm, or sharp wit.
    LOL. With most women, the minute a chick gets money it is hers, and she does not remember where she got it from. It is a very rare woman who can play the long game.

  2. #18423
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    I would go as far as to say don't ever send money even if you have met a girl. If you just need to feel warm and fuzzy then ok. But in all these years I have been no worse off because I did not send money; whether it has been normal girlfriend or hooker. If a chick gets angry or does not talk to you anymore because you did not send money, then you know why she was there in the first place; and it was not for your good looks, charm, or sharp wit.
    I agree, don't send her money at all, that's why you got to find someone independent and hardworker with a good career if possible.

    The only way I see myself sending money is if she is expecting my baby, which in that case she can not work because she is pregnant.

    Only in that case I see myself sending money to her.

    Of course you got to make sure you are the father of the baby, only two ways to know for sure is with a DNA test which can be done while she is pregnant or if you had spend the whole 4 - 5 weeks since her last period together and she never slept a night without you, or spend many hours without you.

    Hard to do that if you plan to meet multiple girls during your trip, but if you decide to spend your whole trip with just one girl, then it can be possible if you guys go in a 1 month island hoping vacation trip. It will be impossible for her to get pregnant with someone else in a remote island while you guys are vacationing together and spending all the time together.

  3. #18422
    Quote Originally Posted by BigFun  [View Original Post]
    So before working at the bar, she supported herself and two family members..
    Thanks for the thoughtful post. One girl I was dating in Ph told me about her younger years. When she was 19-20 she was commuting to Singapore where she was earning good money as a bargirl. Why did she need the money?- to get her drug-dealer mom out of jail.

    That's quite motivating.

    In the second year a banker bought her out of the bar and had her as a GF for the next 5 years where they travelled the word together. That relationship eventually ended and she is now happily married to a pinoy. (She is also happy meeting me on my visits.)

    Mom is out and clean.

  4. #18421
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkKnight1  [View Original Post]
    Most women in developing countries don't date us for charm, looks and sharp wit. Most men with those qualities not trolling around the developing countries.
    That is what I thought hookers were for. If I am going to be throwing any money around then it would be towards multiple hookers while I pay as I go, not for 1 uneducated homely chick that I see maybe twice a year.

  5. #18420

    I agree with Big Fun

    I have been married for 44 years to the woman of my dreams. Has been all wine and roses, NO! Now this is another way to meet a pinay. At the time I was in the Navy and had just gotten back to the ship after 18 months in Vietnam and seeing more senseless carnage than anyone should ever see. Ernie had just gotten back to the ship from a school in the sates. We were drinking buddies. I had taken are&are trips from Vietnam to Singapore and the Philippines and had spent many 3 or 4 days with a bar girl for nothing but sex. We got our schedule and was going to spend several week in and out of the Philippines so I told Ernie I wanted to see what the Philippines was like not just a bar trip. Ernie gave me this girl's name and address, then started playing 20 questions and I asked him who this is. Ernie tells me she is his cousin and I told him if that was all I was interested in I would stay in the bars. I wrote her letters and sent her pictures of me, but she never sent any pictures. 3 months before I met her I told Ernie I was going to marry her and his response was "Are you crazy you've never see her what if she is ugly. " I told him "she can't be". Fast forward three months I finally get enough time to go to Manila and Ernie makes sure I make it there safe. I went to the address and she is not there, but her brother is and he takes me to a neighbor hood bar for two reasons. 1 he knew I would pay for the beer. 2. And to see what My intentions were. Surprise, surprise there were working girls trying to get me in the back room. While we were drinking a little kid runs up and says she is back. Her brother and I go back to where they were staying and I'm in the setting room when she comes down the stairs and my jaw hits the floor. She was and still is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen. Three months later I asked to marry me and three months later we were married. Bottom line if you Filipino friends are wanting to fix you up be open to it and see if they have a picture of that person. You may not be a lucky as me.

  6. #18419

    My Experience

    Occasional poster, I thought I'd provide some insight on meeting girls in the Philippines. OK that comes at the end.

    My situation. I have been here for a year now in pandemic. I am 57 and I have a serious Philippines girlfriend -- two years now. I did meet her at the bar where she worked, but her situation is very similar to many bargirls, as I explain below. (I have done all the shagging many girls before, threesomes etc etc.).

    She came from a poor family, and her father died. Mother and younger brother could not do anything. She has a high school diploma but that is barely enough to get a job. To be a waitress in a good restaurant requires a college education. Ridiculous, I know. But there is such a labor supply.

    So before working at the bar, she supported herself and two family members. Their diet was rice + soy sauce usually. Maybe rice + blood. On the occasion that they did cook, they cooked with a charcoal fire inside their house. This is all true and there are people in her neighborhood who do the same.

    Some of the girls in the neighborhood worked at the bar, and had met foreigner husbands. So she decided to try. Did she want to work at a bar. No.

    For her, she made a lot of money at the bar with her perspective. And lots of tips from customers.

    What does she say about working at the bar? Oh I happy that now my family can have yummy food. How do you feel when someone bar fined you? I feel very happy because I can help my family. This is very typical Filipino attitude.

    She definitely liked and formed friendships with some of her customers who treated her well. Of course, lots of the time it was a bummer, but she made some cash. "Many times I did things that I don't want to do".

    With working at the bar, her family got their first refrigerator, first stove, first TV. Etc etc. Without the bar, she would likely spend the rest of her life eating rice, getting impregnated by some lazy neighbor with him cheating on her when she is looking a little old. Really, Filipino girls from poor backgrounds, limited education, no money have no options. No hope no future, as we would consider it.

    We've been together for 2 years. Do I support her, obviously. My one condition is that her family members try to work and don't just rely on taking handouts from me. The males in her family are construction laborers who make about 500 peso per day.

    Per the comments below, I don't think it is fair to judge a girl if she hopes for support from you. Even in the West, most girls of all ages are looking for security / support from their partner. ("no money, no honey".

    And to add, I know many bargirls in Makati as friends, given that I am in a relationship with their friend. I would say about half qualify as having a similar situation and hopes as my GF. If you are attracted to heavily tatted, slutty performers, then that is a different group. Again, I did fine meeting my GF at the bar. If you happen to be at the bar and want meet a more genuine one, treat the mamasan well, and ask for a younger one, and one that maybe just started. I can think of several super sexy fun girls that work at the bar, but at the bottom of their hearts they want to meet a foreigner and have a decent life. I haven't tried them out personally but they seem like they would make any man happy.

    So yes, to meet loyal normal girls in the Philippines, let's remember that there are a few million to choose from. I would agree that you need to put in the time. If you want to start on the internet, SKYPE with camera every day to chat etc.

    On the internet, if the girl is based in Angeles. Consider yourself lucky she is a girl. LOL.

    OK where to find girls? They're everywhere! Gorgeous girls working in 711. Gorgeous girls working at supermarkets or department stores. It is incredibly easy. Many girls ask me if I have a wife just in small talk. Hmmm.

    If you're really looking for someone, then don't get to sex too fast. But Filipinas are generally romantic and passionate. Won't take hardly any time. Most are pretty serious Catholic, in spirit, so don't be too dirty to start, with a normal girl. And if you want a hybrid experience, real GF and benefits from others. Not a good idea if you are serious.

    So yeah, if you can afford the time and money, best to come here for 6 mos.

    To each, do what you want. If you want to have 3 girls a day, you can have it. If you want a serious and loyal GF to take care of you, that can be found too.

    Good luck!

    JC.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goferring  [View Original Post]
    The big advantage of being in country for an extended time is that you will also meet normal girls. Yes, they do exist online and in AC but the odds really are against you.

    Living a normal life in country, you will bump into girls with similar interests at the store, movies, dive shop etc.

    Enjoy. G.

  7. #18418
    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNash  [View Original Post]

    Because if you are very serious, 2 weeks is not enough, even 3 months in Philippines won't be enough, I would say you will need to live with her for at least 6 months to really know her and to start thinking of bringing her to your country.
    The big advantage of being in country for an extended time is that you will also meet normal girls. Yes, they do exist online and in AC but the odds really are against you.

    Living a normal life in country, you will bump into girls with similar interests at the store, movies, dive shop etc.

    Enjoy. G.

  8. #18417
    Quote Originally Posted by MohdirFan82  [View Original Post]
    I agree with you, I been visiting Indonesia specially Jakarta for the past 8 years. It's heaven for foreigners. I only visit Jakarta and have mostly pre-planned bookings with my potential targets.
    After reading your comment I researched a little bit about the city Jakarta but I didn't get it too attractive expect the food.

  9. #18416
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    I would go as far as to say don't ever send money even if you have met a girl. If you just need to feel warm and fuzzy then ok. But in all these years I have been no worse off because I did not send money; whether it has been normal girlfriend or hooker. If a chick gets angry or does not talk to you anymore because you did not send money, then you know why she was there in the first place; and it was not for your good looks, charm, or sharp wit.
    Most women in developing countries don't date us for charm, looks and sharp wit. Most men with those qualities not trolling around the developing countries.

  10. #18415
    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNash  [View Original Post]
    The way I see it, you need to ask yourself this question:

    How serious are you in finding your soulmate in another country?

    Because if you are very serious, 2 weeks is not enough, even 3 months in Philippines won't be enough, I would say you will need to live with her for at least 6 months to really know her and to start thinking of bringing her to your country.

    Since you were OK sending her $200 without even knowing her in person, I feel you are aproaching this the wrong way, if you want to meet your soulmate, don't ever send money to a girl you haven't met in person and don't ever meet her in Angeles City.

    In fact don't even step in Angeles City if you are looking for a serious woman, either she is a goldigger if she is the one insisting to meet you there or if you are the one insisting you will look bad on her eyes if you ever meet her there, and she will see you as those losers who pay for sex (not offense to anyone here, but that's how good girls see people who go to Angeles City and pay for sex), you don't want to marry a girl who sees you that way so don't hangout in those places.

    That's the reason I never step my foot in Angeles City, you will never find good girls there, maybe there are afew, but is like winning the lotto 1 in a million.

    Another question you should ask yourself, age difference, if she is 30+ years younger than you forget it!

    Go find someone older and closer to your age, less than 20 yrs difference is fine in Philippines.

    If I was you I will take my time, visit Philippines many times and only meet normal girls not pros or semi pros, not girls that are expecting money in return, just pay for the date, and if she wants to pay even better.

    If you still want to insist in meeting her, then meet her in Manila, if she is very interested in you she will go meet you there, if she don't then you know she doesn't care about you. And make sure to tell her that you are not looking to bringing her to your country until you know her very well, just don't even mention that subject of bringing her to your country.

    Like I said you need to make afew trips, and videocam her everyday, know her family, her friends, places she hangout, Goferring gave you good ideas on cues you should look for.

    I'm telling you all this from personal experience, and everything I'm telling you is exactly what I'm doing, and finally I met a good girl who I have great chemistry with, I spent 8 months living with her during covid, and trust me 8 months seeing eachother everyday during lockdown is like having a 2-3 years relationship back home. I already know she is a good girl with good intentions, but I'm still deciding if I want to end my single life, I will go back to Philippines at the end of this year for another 3-4 months there, hopefully Covid is gone by that time and I will get to do island hopping with her and spend more time before I can finally make my decision.
    Great advice. For Viper, you need to remember that the greater the disparity in age and wealth, the less likely it is that you end up in a romantic relationship. Also, you have to consider that she might already live (and work) in AC, if she wants to meet you there (even if her family actually lives 90 minutes away). Then consider how you will feel when your friends / family see you with a girl whom I assume is much younger than you and doesn't speak English well. And also what happens when you get tired of sleeping with her and ache for some real companionship with a girl able to stimulate your mind. Finally, it isn't easy getting a Pinay a visa into the US.

    Some things are best left to fantasy.

  11. #18414
    Quote Originally Posted by SteveNash  [View Original Post]
    Since you were OK sending her $200 without even knowing her in person, I feel you are aproaching this the wrong way, if you want to meet your soulmate, don't ever send money to a girl you haven't met in person
    I would go as far as to say don't ever send money even if you have met a girl. If you just need to feel warm and fuzzy then ok. But in all these years I have been no worse off because I did not send money; whether it has been normal girlfriend or hooker. If a chick gets angry or does not talk to you anymore because you did not send money, then you know why she was there in the first place; and it was not for your good looks, charm, or sharp wit.

  12. #18413
    Quote Originally Posted by ViperF33  [View Original Post]
    Hello,

    I am new to the forum and would like to ask a question. I have been talking to a girl for several months and I would really like to bring her to the US if our first meeting in the Philippines goes well. She lives in San Antonio, Zambales Philippines and she suggested that we meet in Angeles City which is about a 1 1/2 hour bus ride for her. If things go well we can then go to Manila. I plan on spending 14 days in the Philippines.

    Any advice on what to watch out for when meeting for the first time?

    This is my first time to the Philippines and I want to make the most out of my time in the country.

    Thank you in advance for any assistance to this newbie.
    The way I see it, you need to ask yourself this question:

    How serious are you in finding your soulmate in another country?

    Because if you are very serious, 2 weeks is not enough, even 3 months in Philippines won't be enough, I would say you will need to live with her for at least 6 months to really know her and to start thinking of bringing her to your country.

    Since you were OK sending her $200 without even knowing her in person, I feel you are aproaching this the wrong way, if you want to meet your soulmate, don't ever send money to a girl you haven't met in person and don't ever meet her in Angeles City.

    In fact don't even step in Angeles City if you are looking for a serious woman, either she is a goldigger if she is the one insisting to meet you there or if you are the one insisting you will look bad on her eyes if you ever meet her there, and she will see you as those losers who pay for sex (not offense to anyone here, but that's how good girls see people who go to Angeles City and pay for sex), you don't want to marry a girl who sees you that way so don't hangout in those places.

    That's the reason I never step my foot in Angeles City, you will never find good girls there, maybe there are afew, but is like winning the lotto 1 in a million.

    Another question you should ask yourself, age difference, if she is 30+ years younger than you forget it!

    Go find someone older and closer to your age, less than 20 yrs difference is fine in Philippines.

    If I was you I will take my time, visit Philippines many times and only meet normal girls not pros or semi pros, not girls that are expecting money in return, just pay for the date, and if she wants to pay even better.

    If you still want to insist in meeting her, then meet her in Manila, if she is very interested in you she will go meet you there, if she don't then you know she doesn't care about you. And make sure to tell her that you are not looking to bringing her to your country until you know her very well, just don't even mention that subject of bringing her to your country.

    Like I said you need to make afew trips, and videocam her everyday, know her family, her friends, places she hangout, Goferring gave you good ideas on cues you should look for.

    I'm telling you all this from personal experience, and everything I'm telling you is exactly what I'm doing, and finally I met a good girl who I have great chemistry with, I spent 8 months living with her during covid, and trust me 8 months seeing eachother everyday during lockdown is like having a 2-3 years relationship back home. I already know she is a good girl with good intentions, but I'm still deciding if I want to end my single life, I will go back to Philippines at the end of this year for another 3-4 months there, hopefully Covid is gone by that time and I will get to do island hopping with her and spend more time before I can finally make my decision.

  13. #18412
    Quote Originally Posted by Goferring  [View Original Post]
    Thanks. Africa has been on my Places to Try for a while.

    Bali is possibly the worst place in Indonesia for mongering. The influx of cashed up short time tourists leads to girls that come from elsewhere just to rack up as much money ASAP. Very hardened and not service focused at all. Jakarta is much better if you want foreigner friendly. You seem to like the less developed places too so try Bandung, Jogjakarta or Surabaya. Sulawesi has some gorgeous girls.

    Cheers. G.
    I agree with you, I been visiting Indonesia specially Jakarta for the past 8 years. It's heaven for foreigners. I only visit Jakarta and have mostly pre-planned bookings with my potential targets.

  14. #18411

    Great list!

    Thanks for making this list. What would your list look like for a 40 yr old?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pcdilwj  [View Original Post]
    Some background I'm a 63 year old white man from the usa with below average looks.

    This is my list of favorite destinations if I was in my 30 or 40 s the list would be different.

    This list is the total package accommodation, food the price of beer and price of entertainment.

    In the last 3 years I have been to all the places on my list.

    1. Mtwapa (2 visit).

    Meet girls online, beach, on the street everyway also girlie pickup bars food is so cheap here.

    The dollars is strong here.

    2 kampala (1 visit).

    Meet girls on line some great clubs where you can meet non working girls also they have girlie.

    Pickup bars cheapest place to drink beer that I've been the dollars is very strong here the best value for.

    A all night visit.

    3 nairobi (3 visit).

    Meet girls one line a lot of clubs to meet normal girls and oh course black diamond to meet working girl.

    K1 is a good place to meet women also pro and non pro since its a big city kinda expensive.

    4 cebu (10 visit).

    Really focus on the dating sites so many women also can meet at the mall some girlie go go.

    Bars but a waste of time. Also they have some nice disco to go but be carefull of the lady boys.

    It s easy to get around cebu the the air con taxi are very cheap for a western the dollars is ok here.

    5 angeles city (15 visit).

    If I was in my 30 or 40 it may be at the top of my list around 100 girlie go go bars you pick a girl on the stage.

    Agree on the terms off you go 20 years ago good value now the price and gone up so much.

    Also a lot of expats live in angles so whatever country you are from you can find someone from your country.

    6 montego bay jamacia (6 visits).

    Meet girls on line a couple of good clubs you can meet non pro girls also you can meet some girls at he beach.

    Its close to the states so I never have jet lag can hit the ground running only place I don't drink beer the rum is.

    Good and cheap I don't really like the beer red stripe also the dollars is very strong here hotels are over priced.

    7 pattaya (2 visits).

    So many bars and massage parlors like being a kid in a candy store the best value is soi 6 . in all my travels the best value for a nice cheap clean hotel is pattaya the only english the thai women know is shorttimes ehheheh the price of.

    Enterainment is high for short time nice to see the girls in the bar dancing in the nude the dollars value not to good.

    8 Bangkok (2 visit) it s ok for a short time to visit a lot of streetwalkers some nice girlie go go bars but to many lady.

    Boys Nana plaza is ok and soi cowboy is ok dollars is very weak here.

    9 manila (10 visit) if you like big crowded cities whit awful tracffic its the place for you.

    Meet girls at the mall and online or go to la cafe a huge pickup place.

    On my list of place to go is Bali and the unkraine and south africa.

  15. #18410
    Quote Originally Posted by Pcdilwj  [View Original Post]
    Some background I'm a 63 year old white man from the usa with below average looks.

    This is my list of favorite destinations if I was in my 30 or 40 s the list would be different.

    This list is the total package accommodation, food the price of beer and price of entertainment.

    In the last 3 years I have been to all the places on my list.

    1. Mtwapa (2 visit).

    Meet girls online, beach, on the street everyway also girlie pickup bars food is so cheap here.

    The dollars is strong here.

    2 kampala (1 visit).

    Meet girls on line some great clubs where you can meet non working girls also they have girlie.

    Pickup bars cheapest place to drink beer that I've been the dollars is very strong here the best value for.

    A all night visit.

    3 nairobi (3 visit).

    Meet girls one line a lot of clubs to meet normal girls and oh course black diamond to meet working girl.

    K1 is a good place to meet women also pro and non pro since its a big city kinda expensive.

    ......

    On my list of place to go is Bali and the unkraine and south africa.
    Thanks. Africa has been on my Places to Try for a while.

    Bali is possibly the worst place in Indonesia for mongering. The influx of cashed up short time tourists leads to girls that come from elsewhere just to rack up as much money ASAP. Very hardened and not service focused at all. Jakarta is much better if you want foreigner friendly. You seem to like the less developed places too so try Bandung, Jogjakarta or Surabaya. Sulawesi has some gorgeous girls.

    Cheers. G.

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