Safe Sex in Thailand

[Franciscass]

To suggest you cannot get HIV from vaginal sex is at best simply not true and at worse dangerously irresponsible by having impressionable individuals believe it especially if it comes from self-appointed "experts". Read the accepted science on how HIV is transmitted and it is patently obvious and beyond question HIV can be contracted in a number of ways including unprotected vaginal sex. I accept the extent of the risk can be debated and does depend on a number of variable circumstances. I accept it is down to each of us to decide whether to go BBFS or not but I also remind those that do that there is another person involved not just oneself.

A tad preachy I know but I get annoyed reading some of irresponsible nonsense that continuously appears on this subject.

[EihTooms]

If I was irresponsible and indulged in bare back full sex with prostitutes I would seek out and take comfort in reports that state that you cannot get HIV from vaginal sex and would also totally ignore the prevalence of antibiotic resistant gonorrhea.

Luckily for you there are condoms available all over the world, sometimes for free, and you can wear one for every sex act every time. You probably won't be as certain you have been kept safe and are safe for your partner with regard to serious problems and unwanted pregnancy doing that as I am doing what I do. But it is better than nothing, I suppose.

[MongerForSex]

If I was irresponsible and indulged in bare back full sex with prostitutes I would seek out and take comfort in information that states that you cannot get HIV from vaginal sex and would also totally ignore the world wide prevalence of gonorrhea that resists last-resort antibiotics.

Who said bareback is safe? Bareback is not safe for STDs, supergonorrhea LOL, you are scared of that, it's very painful and very scary, It's good to be scared. Vaginal sex is safe for HIV but not safe for spooky STDs and being a responsible father. You know what to do, don't take antibiotics when you are not sick from bacterial diseases, you won't have trouble with gonorrhea when you take antibiotics. Don't you think it will be funny to see discharge coming from Urethra? Maybe you will be lucky to meet a sexy urologist, she will offer you BBBJ and suck you until you are cured and get it again. Do you know you can also get gonorrhea from blow jobs and more than once? I will go to Paris Cafe tonight in Barra and fuck some girls to be lucky to catch gonorrhea tonight. I have been fucking for decades , I have never been lucky to catch gonorrhea, life is not fair. LOOOL

[Turgid]

If I was irresponsible and indulged in bare back full sex with prostitutes I would seek out and take comfort in reports that state that you cannot get HIV from vaginal sex and would also totally ignore the prevalence of antibiotic resistant gonorrhea.

[EihTooms]

I did not mention anything about entire villages, that is laughable.
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I was only referring to certain kinds of reports in general, not really quoting you. And I was not confining it to Thailand.

I don't even need to provide a link. Just do a Google Search for "Entire village wiped out by AIDS" and you will get results for such reports from several years ago, some more recent follow up reports. The origin was sometimes attributed to widespread dissemination of tainted blood products but not always.

[MongerForSex]

I don't even have faith in the accuracy of the "1 in 2,500 HIV-Positive exposures" for the chance of a man acquiring it from a woman estimated by the CDC despite posting the link for that estimate myself.

First of all, I assume they rounded up just to produce that 1 in 2,500 (or 4 in 10,000) HIV-Positive exposures number for the scariest, attention-grabbing impact they could possibly get away with anyway.

Second, as far as I saw there is no accounting for possible pertinent co-factors such as that 1 guy being uncircumcised, having a gaping open wound sore on his penis at the time, engaing in prolonged, rough, skin abrasive sex or anything else that might and only might have been the reason he acquired it rather than merely the result of ordinary vaginal sex with his circumcised penis.

And, third, is there any doubt that of the thousands of case studies the CDC reviewed there had to be at least a dozen men who would not under threat of torture ever admit they do occasionally if not exclusely like to take it up the butt with their longtime companion, Bruno? Or to admit they indulged in needle sharing behind the YMCA Disco that time?

Same goes for the female numbers in those CDC estimates for vaginal sex transmission. Surely, there were a few women who would take their secret desire for Anal to the grave rather than admit it to a clinic research tech as well as any admission of sharing needles.

Of all the possible sexual activities one could admit to, regular vaginal intercourse would naturally be the Go-To one to admit to while refusing to admit to any other sexual activity in order to avoid all possible social stigma judgement and backlash. Yet even with that going for it the estimates were extremely low for both men and women.

To me, circumcision doesn't protect from HIV and HSV. Vaginal sex is not a risk for hiv, I have seen many circumcised men that developed HSV outbreaks. Circumcision offers protection against balanitis, syphilistic chancres, chancroid, granuloma inguinale, Lymphogranuloma venereum, gonorrhea, chlamydia and penile cancer (squamous cell carcinoma). Sores don't increase the risk of hiv, because the blood quantity is not enough to contaminate, HIV virus is very weak unlike HSV and flu. Most people have gum diseases, if hiv was easily transmited, everybody would be hiv positve and there would be as many hiv positive people as hsv positive people.

STD related genital ulcer in Brazil. 92 per cent of STD related genital ulcers are HSV, 6 per cent: chancroid, 1 per cent: syphilitic ulcer, 1 per cent: Inguinale Granuloma, Lymphogranuloma Venereum and Cancerous ulcers caused by HPV.

Overall, non STD ulcers (Balanitis, friction burn etc) are more common than STD ulcers. 30 - 40 per cent of genital ulcers, there is no etiology found. That means the cause of the ulcer is not found. Uncircumcised men are more likely to develop genital ulcers than circumcised men. But the cases of hiv in uncrcumcised straight men are still remote. There is no proof circumcision protects from hiv.

Abrasion and gum disease don't increase the risk of hiv, most people have gum diseases or get cuts or abrasion after sex.

In Brazil, most women get assfucked, but gays are still the most infected (82 per cent). Most infected women live in poor rural areas and use injections. A few women got hiv by birth or from transfusion. There are a few unlucky straight women.

[MongerForSex]

I did not mention anything about entire villages, that is laughable.

I think Aids would relatively easily be suspected by doctors when people die of very abnormal causes, diseases that they would normally survive, we have all heard of stuff like Karposi's Sarcoma, etc.

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Many hiv negative people develop kaposi sarcoma, kaposi sarcoma doesn't only happen in hiv positive people. Kaposi sarcoma also happens in hiv negative Mediterranean, middle eastern and jewish people. People suffer from endemic kaposi sarcoma in Africa and some poor villages in Asia but it's less common than in Africa. , it's not hiv related. People that underwent chemotherapy or recieved transplant also develop kaposi sarcoma. There are many cases of hiv negative gay men that developed kaposi sarcoma.

HIV statistics are exgerated.

[Smoothy]

And I believe Magic Johnson wasn't gay when in 91 he announced that he was hiv+.

I don't know if it's true, but I heard that Magic and Arsenio Hall used to frequent the all male public baths.

[EihTooms]

Thebody is an inaccurate website, straight men can't catch hiv from women.

https://www.thebody.com/article/stra...joshua-middlet

Later, he admitted to having sex with guys too.

Many guys lie because of the stigma, some guys consider themselves to be straight men although they have sex with other men and transexuals. They think just because they prefer women, they are straight. Let's be clear, a man that fucks men or transexuals is not straight regardless of sexual preference (men or women).

https://hiveonline.org/bisexuality/

I don't even have faith in the accuracy of the "1 in 2,500 HIV-Positive exposures" for the chance of a man acquiring it from a woman estimated by the CDC despite posting the link for that estimate myself.

First of all, I assume they rounded up just to produce that 1 in 2,500 (or 4 in 10,000) HIV-Positive exposures number for the scariest, attention-grabbing impact they could possibly get away with anyway.

Second, as far as I saw there is no accounting for possible pertinent co-factors such as that 1 guy being uncircumcised, having a gaping open wound sore on his penis at the time, engaing in prolonged, rough, skin abrasive sex or anything else that might and only might have been the reason he acquired it rather than merely the result of ordinary vaginal sex with his circumcised penis.

And, third, is there any doubt that of the thousands of case studies the CDC reviewed there had to be at least a dozen men who would not under threat of torture ever admit they do occasionally if not exclusely like to take it up the butt with their longtime companion, Bruno? Or to admit they indulged in needle sharing behind the YMCA Disco that time?

Same goes for the female numbers in those CDC estimates for vaginal sex transmission. Surely, there were a few women who would take their secret desire for Anal to the grave rather than admit it to a clinic research tech as well as any admission of sharing needles.

Of all the possible sexual activities one could admit to, regular vaginal intercourse would naturally be the Go-To one to admit to while refusing to admit to any other sexual activity in order to avoid all possible social stigma judgement and backlash. Yet even with that going for it the estimates were extremely low for both men and women.

[MongerForSex]

Thebody is an inaccurate website, straight men can't catch hiv from women.

https://www.thebody.com/article/stra...joshua-middlet

Later, he admitted to having sex with guys too.

Many guys lie because of the stigma, some guys consider themselves to be straight men although they have sex with other men and transexuals. They think just because they prefer women, they are straight. Let's be clear, a man that fucks men or transexuals is not straight regardless of sexual preference (men or women).

https://hiveonline.org/bisexuality/

[Syzygies]

Let's just say if Wilt Chamberlain had announced he acquired HIV (sexually) I would have no problem concluding he could only have gotten it from a woman. But not Magic Johnson. JMHO, of course.

As a non American I have barely heard of Wilt Chamberlain, we don't all pay a lot of attention to USA sports. We are more likely to have heard of famous American music artists, movie stars, or Pornstars. Ha ha. Anyway, post game sex / drug parties would not surprise me. I still have no real interest in what Magic J got up to, and whether his "Johnson" was magic, so I won't bother with the link.

Lots of people do dangerous stuff. Some get unlucky, and catch the stigma. Many big stars were confirmed or suspected to have died of Aids, mostly males (for some reason). Yeh unlikely they got from a pussy, in most cases.

[EihTooms]

We have no clue what he was up to, could have been "injected" with something. Anyway, has to be someone unlucky enough to catch it from a girl's pussy, just there are other more likely things that could have caused it.

I lived in and around Inglewood, Ca. where the Lakers were based during those years, knew people who attended the infamous post-game sex parties. There were rumors about Johnson's wide ranging variety of acceptable if not desired sex partners well before his announcement that he'd acquired HIV and his best friend Isiah Thomas further contributed to those rumors.

https://www.espn.com/general/page2/s...02&src=desktop

Let's just say if Wilt Chamberlain had announced he acquired HIV (sexually) I would have no problem concluding he could only have gotten it from a woman. But not Magic Johnson. JMHO, of course.

[Syzygies]

Like Syzygies, I noticed a lot fewer "reports" of entire villages or both parents dying of HIV/AIDS several years after the initial identification of the virus.

This is related to your rant on untrustworthy statistics for those things because I think one of the reasons they stopped reporting this, that and every other death in some areas of the world with the possible (and only possible) exception of motorcycle and auto accident deaths as being an HIV/AIDS-related death is because the scientific community eventually came to a consensus conclusion that it is not only difficult for an HIV-Positive man to infect a woman with HIV through unprotected vaginal intercourse without a slew of typically unmentioned co-factors involved, but it is extremely rare for an HIV-Positive woman to infect a man with HIV that way (to the point where it is apparently relatively difficult to locate and verify such a man 40+ years into the awareness of the virus).

Therefore, the "reports" of seemingly commonplace male-to-female and female-to-male transmission of the virus via vaginal or oral sex had to dry up. They could and would no longer be taken seriously.

The thing about these worldwide panics where a lot of energy begins to get revved up to do something about it quick before it destroys the world is impoverished areas that do indeed need some attention, doctors' visits, medical treatment, food and money will often find a reason, any reason, to claim they ought to be first in line to benefit from the effort. Not saying all of those "reported" heterosexual death statistics were bogus. But there is definitely plenty of understandable motivation for some if not many to have been fabricated.

And in this particular case, widespread distribution of condoms during the era just might have been a coincidental rather than a causal factor in the reduction of those kinds of earlier "reports" regarding vaginal or oral sex transmission.

I did not mention anything about entire villages, that is laughable.

I think Aids would relatively easily be suspected by doctors when people die of very abnormal causes, diseases that they would normally survive, we have all heard of stuff like Karposi's Sarcoma, etc.

I can't say really if every disease in the villages were blamed on Aids, by the community whispers, however I doubt if Aids researchers would be blaming Aids for everything so easily. I don't see Aids getting blamed for many / any village deaths these days. It is mostly cancer (most common), motorcycle crashes, disease from wading in contaminated water, Dengue fever, etc. Many other things. Don't hear of TB at all really. Here it is called "Wanarork". However not prevalent, or not heard of this village recently. That Aids was blamed incorrectly in the past, could well be exaggerated, as I don't see it getting blamed now at all.

We should be asking what things villagers are exposed to causing high cancer rates? Smoking, farm chemicals, bad diet, etc.

I don't believe distribution of condoms is very relevant to reduction in AIDs, for hetero couples. We already agreed hetero sex was a very low cause of HIV in the first place. Given the levels of unwanted pregnancies, we certainly know the villagers are not big user's of condoms. Ha ha.

One would suspect that no longer sharing needles would be first major cause of HIV reduction, then whether gays started using condoms for anal sex, I don't know (and don't really care). HIV persons being treated would also reduce HIV being passed on. There are many reasons, starting from awareness. Condom distribution most likely just a publicity stunt.

I am still believing that Aids rates in the villages used to be high (years ago in line with overall HIV rates in Thailand) but certainly don't know what were the major reasons (acts causing it).

I certainly recall reading a while back of different strains of HIV being dominant in different countries, and the risks attached to contracting them varied significantly, as did the survivability rates etc. So there wasn't just one HIV with one risk factor. The risks in Thailand may not be the same as in the USA.

[Syzygies]

And I believe Magic Johnson wasn't gay when in 91 he announced that he was hiv+.

We have no clue what he was up to, could have been "injected" with something. Anyway, has to be someone unlucky enough to catch it from a girl's pussy, just there are other more likely things that could have caused it.

[Smoothy]

I use condom, to test her pussy. I am very scared of pregnancy. When I have sex, pregnancy is my biggest fear. If I make a woman pregnant, I am fucked. In Brazil when you make a woman pregant, you have to take responsibility for the child, that means you have pay child support. If a woman say, she takes pills, I don't trust. There are some pussies I come fast, I can't resist.

It sounds like you should search for pregnant girls to have sex with these days.