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  1. #4218
    Snake that's a really well thought out argument but I'm going to punch two major holes in it.

    1) Sex is not just useful for procreation, nor is it the primary benefit. Sex is dealing with incredibly powerful energies which can be harnessed for almost anything by people who know how. If you don't believe me look up "sex magic" or "sex magic" on google, and TRY some of the stuff. It WORKS. (But be careful!)

    2) If what you were saying is true, then women would be NATURALLY inclined to be monogamous and insisting on commitment from a man. The fact is, the desire to make a man commit on a woman's part is due 100% tu CULTURAL and SOCIAL pressure. The proof of this is when you get a woman drooling over a man just because he's so physically attractive to her, she will offer herself to him under ANY circumstances, without demands and without commitments. The problem is that modern cultures are designed to repress NATURAL human sexuality, that and the fact that most men are not attractive to the female of the species, and have to resort to cultural pressure and / or offering women material benefits for having a relationship with them. Once again, this is provable in any environment just by experimenting.

  2. #4217
    Quote Originally Posted by Dickhead  [View Original Post]
    If you don't think the info you got on the internet is credible, why would you think the information you would get here would be credible? This is the internet. You could stick with Costa Rica. The right to sell one's body is incorporated into the constitution there. Prostitution is illegal in Thailand but that is just a joke, for example. In The Netherlands, it's legal in certain areas under certain conditions. In many Latin countries it is legal in "zonas de tolerancia" or the "zona rosa." So the question is more complicated than legal vs. Illegal.
    Here in Colombia it's also a constitutional right.

  3. #4216
    Quote Originally Posted by Snake27  [View Original Post]
    Here's my theory about the morality of prostitution. I may have said some of this before (can't remember, too lazy to look it up).

    Life is a copying operation. It started some 4 billion years ago, probably as some primitive molecules (either DNA or more likely their precursors) copying themselves. Fast forward 4B years and we have this elaborate copying operation, layered in a bewildering complexity. The complexity gives the illusion of purpose and even "soul", but the complexity only arose (via evolution) because it led to a more efficient and robust copying operation, always evolving towards a form that can better withstand the ravages of the environment. There are other ways to harnass energy and copy molecules. For example the growing of crystalline structures. But "life" is one of the solutions to the copying problem, the key point being that it involves information (DNA) , which is the basis of evolution. The main point here is that life is basically simple, though this simplicity is obscured by an emergent complexity. Realizing that it's simple motivates us to look for simple patterns.

    Let's try to find a simple reason for why sex exists. Evidentally, sexual reproduction (in contrast to asexual) confers some kind of advantage. I don't think it's fully agreed upon in scientific circles, but most likely the advantage of sex is that, over the long haul (millions of years) , it leads to a more robust population, because it mixes traits (genes) and generates a diversity, which makes living systems more likely to survive environmental change; some portion of the diverse population survives, owing to it being different.

    Let's consider men and women. In what way are they different? Well, the copying operation requires energy, and that energy is captured from the environment. Women are different in that they require a much larger investment in energy to reproduce. There is a 9 month incubation of a fetus in a woman's body, plus the (cultural) behavior that women usually do the majority of care-giving to children. I think this is true for many larger mammals, though it's not universally true in life. Theoretically, men may require a comparitively tiny amount of energy, like a "hit-and-run" sexual act. Now, since women require a large investment in energy, they are usually more circumspect in their sexual behavior. Simply put, more is at stake with their choices. Expressed through social morality, this means they may demand more commitment from men. If a man commits to a woman for the length of time it takes to raise a child to adult, then the man has invested a similar amount of energy in the process, and it is a more fair outcome. The "cost" is energy, and the man and woman pay the same cost if they are similarly commited. However, at the same time, the man is instinctively motivated to "hit-and-run", but (except in rare cases) he usually cannot accomplish this. The rare cases would be "ladies man", who are a somewhat rare phenomena, I think. (Sadly, a high degree of intelligence is not a basis for being a ladies man, a fact which should curb the arrogance of highly intellingent men!)

    This is the basis of prostitution: women engaged in prosititution exploit the asymmetry between men and women in the energy required to reproduce.

    Morality is the resolution of the conflict of desires. Women tend to desire the equal investment of men in their copying operation. At the same time, men should realize the inherent waste of resources (money) in prostitution, because engaging in it leads to nothing of lasting value, only a fleeting and meaningless pleasure. And if you are trying to reproduce with prostitutes (not using condoms) there is the obvious problem of parasites, some of them fatal. When placed in the context of the larger purpose of life, prostitution is a waste of time. However, as one who has wasted my time plenty enough, I am not passing judgement on anyone. I am only passing along my ideas.
    Well, based on your theory a monger could gain value for his investment by having his girls tested for disease and then barebacking them until they're knocked up. He could repeat this numerous times in various countries achieving an astounding degree of genetic diversity in his offspring. Since beauty (symmetry) is considered one of the main indicators of genetic fitness, the monger could improve his gene pool for pennies on the dollar by purchasing sexual access to women of a level of beauty otherwise impossible for him access otherwise. A fat elderly unattractive monger with a meager pension can pass himself off as 'rich' in impoverished Third World nations and impregnate young genetically superior women. In his home country women see this behavior as cheating the genetic status quo and seek measures to curtail sex travel. For example, in America it is an unwritten but widely accepted rule that only rich beautiful people fuck other rich beautiful people.

  4. #4215
    Here's my theory about the morality of prostitution. I may have said some of this before (can't remember, too lazy to look it up).

    Life is a copying operation. It started some 4 billion years ago, probably as some primitive molecules (either DNA or more likely their precursors) copying themselves. Fast forward 4B years and we have this elaborate copying operation, layered in a bewildering complexity. The complexity gives the illusion of purpose and even "soul", but the complexity only arose (via evolution) because it led to a more efficient and robust copying operation, always evolving towards a form that can better withstand the ravages of the environment. There are other ways to harnass energy and copy molecules. For example the growing of crystalline structures. But "life" is one of the solutions to the copying problem, the key point being that it involves information (DNA) , which is the basis of evolution. The main point here is that life is basically simple, though this simplicity is obscured by an emergent complexity. Realizing that it's simple motivates us to look for simple patterns.

    Let's try to find a simple reason for why sex exists. Evidentally, sexual reproduction (in contrast to asexual) confers some kind of advantage. I don't think it's fully agreed upon in scientific circles, but most likely the advantage of sex is that, over the long haul (millions of years) , it leads to a more robust population, because it mixes traits (genes) and generates a diversity, which makes living systems more likely to survive environmental change; some portion of the diverse population survives, owing to it being different.

    Let's consider men and women. In what way are they different? Well, the copying operation requires energy, and that energy is captured from the environment. Women are different in that they require a much larger investment in energy to reproduce. There is a 9 month incubation of a fetus in a woman's body, plus the (cultural) behavior that women usually do the majority of care-giving to children. I think this is true for many larger mammals, though it's not universally true in life. Theoretically, men may require a comparitively tiny amount of energy, like a "hit-and-run" sexual act. Now, since women require a large investment in energy, they are usually more circumspect in their sexual behavior. Simply put, more is at stake with their choices. Expressed through social morality, this means they may demand more commitment from men. If a man commits to a woman for the length of time it takes to raise a child to adult, then the man has invested a similar amount of energy in the process, and it is a more fair outcome. The "cost" is energy, and the man and woman pay the same cost if they are similarly commited. However, at the same time, the man is instinctively motivated to "hit-and-run", but (except in rare cases) he usually cannot accomplish this. The rare cases would be "ladies man", who are a somewhat rare phenomena, I think. (Sadly, a high degree of intelligence is not a basis for being a ladies man, a fact which should curb the arrogance of highly intellingent men!)

    This is the basis of prostitution: women engaged in prosititution exploit the asymmetry between men and women in the energy required to reproduce.

    Morality is the resolution of the conflict of desires. Women tend to desire the equal investment of men in their copying operation. At the same time, men should realize the inherent waste of resources (money) in prostitution, because engaging in it leads to nothing of lasting value, only a fleeting and meaningless pleasure. And if you are trying to reproduce with prostitutes (not using condoms) there is the obvious problem of parasites, some of them fatal. When placed in the context of the larger purpose of life, prostitution is a waste of time. However, as one who has wasted my time plenty enough, I am not passing judgement on anyone. I am only passing along my ideas.

  5. #4214
    If you don't think the info you got on the internet is credible, why would you think the information you would get here would be credible? This is the internet. You could stick with Costa Rica. The right to sell one's body is incorporated into the constitution there. Prostitution is illegal in Thailand but that is just a joke, for example. In The Netherlands, it's legal in certain areas under certain conditions. In many Latin countries it is legal in "zonas de tolerancia" or the "zona rosa." So the question is more complicated than legal vs. Illegal.

  6. #4213

    Legal Issue

    Hello,

    Don't know if this is the right forum to post my question in but I do it anyway. I am a Newbie, and have set up some rules for myself, one is never to P4P in a country where it is illegal. However, I find it hard to obtain the correct information regarding this issue for many countries. And for example, in the Phillies, which seem to be on the Top 5 P4P list, it is illegal. Therefore, I would like to adress anyone who knows or knows where I can find information regarding this topic. Would be very grateful for replies. And BTW, I have tried to search the net but I don't know if the information I have gathered is credible.

    Take care,

    Omeprazol

  7. #4212

    Article claims mongering makes guys more sexually sadistic


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  9. #4210
    I dunno but it reminds me of when I saw Bill Cosby in Reno. He was talking about how the Chippendale Dancers had been there the night before. He asked all the ladies in the audience who had seen them to raise their hands. A bunch did. He then said, "You know those guys are all queer, right?" So then a bunch of the women were like "No, no, no." He paused for effect, took the cigar out of his mouth, and said, "Well, the one I fucked was."
    Last edited by Dickhead; 06-30-11 at 03:06. Reason: To make it right after Jackson's software made it wrong

  10. #4209

    "Figures behind child prostitutes overinflated?"

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43582811...me_and_courts/

    I was skeptical of the 100, 000 to 300, 000 as soon as I read that.

    However, when a conversation such as this comes up, how do you challenge a bull*it statistic like this without making people wonder if you are a monger yourself. I tend to just not say much when anything touching on prostitution (like say, Thailand and Hangovr II) come up.

  11. #4208
    Well, work is what set me free. That and not having kids. I did not retire at 40 but I quit for a year or so to examine the overall situation. I don't know what this Neil did for a living but I got progressively more education and had a series of more lucrative and physically easier careers. A couple of things helped me achieve financial independence: I started working early, I never lived beyond my means, and I selectively took opportunities to make extra money. Hence I will not be drooling my gruel in a wheelchair with a pile of sticks or whatever. But the work ethic did serve me well, for a while. Really, education set me free but work got to me to where I could get the education. Probably I could have accomplished the same thing by being a good looking lazy mother fucker but, not being that good looking, I had to take the longer and harder road.

  12. #4207

    A Fool In Paradise by Neil Hutchison

    Telling a friend in Australia about my adventures in Thailand, his wife soberly remarked that I was a fool living in a fool's paradise and I should return to the 'real' world. At the time I laughed it off, but what she said did bear thinking about. It is true I consider Thailand to be a paradise and it is also true that the place can be deceptive from time to time. Would I prefer to live in a fool's paradise or a wise man's purgatory? Even saying the word 'purgatory' sends shivers down my spine and since I have never considered myself to be 'wise', the question was similar to asking whether I would prefer to make love with Miss Universe or have a molten lead enema. So, here I am, a not so wise man living in a deceptively wonderful place. A fool in paradise. Furthermore, it is my paradise and the only place I call home.

    I retired at age forty. There was no particular justification for it, I simply wanted to. I came to the conclusion that I no longer believed in organized work (not that I ever really did) and, just as I had with organized religion before it, decided to give it the big flick.

    My parents would have turned in their graves with the knowledge that I had not listened to anything they tried to teach me. Their attempts to instill some form of work ethic in me fell on deaf ears. According to them, after getting a good education, I was supposed to work hard, raise a family, work even harder, deprive myself, act with restraint and eventually succeed in owning a scrap of dirt with a pile of sticks on it. Then, I had to keep doing the same thing for another quarter century and put aside money for my old age.

    For what? So that I could be old, feeble and rich? Being slouched in a wheelchair, dribbling my breakfast gruel while having a million dollars in the bank is not my idea of fun. I could never imagine myself sitting there being spoon-fed by some sour-faced nurse and thinking what I would like to do with her but not being able to remember exactly what that was.

    I was born the black sheep of the family. My elder brother always said that the first word I spoke was not 'mama', but 'baaa'. In the succeeding years, I failed miserably at living up to the family motto. 'Work will make you free'. Because I always perceived pleasure as a much more sensible idea than pain and play as infinitely better than work. Not that I'm lazy, mind you, I just don't see the point.

  13. #4206
    Well, hell, that won't work. $748-150 = $598 and there is no way you can eat three restaurant meals a day in Thailand for $19 a day.

    Oh, wait a minute ...

    Plus, 400 baht is way more than $25 US.

    Oh, wait a minute ....

    Well, there has to be a catch somewhere. You make it sound like Thailand is better than the US and everyone knows the US is #1.

    Oh, wait a minute ....

    But the electricity has to be costing you a fortune, if you have AC.

    Oh, wait a minute ....

    Of course, there is no way to get laid there if you don't speak Thai.

    Oh, wait a minute ....

  14. #4205
    Quote Originally Posted by Dickhead  [View Original Post]
    Air con or no? Kitchen or no? And how much you pay short time handsome man?
    A / C yes kitchen no. Free wifi, Building 5 years old. ST 300-400 baht. (100-200 at the crack shacks!)

  15. #4204
    Air con or no? Kitchen or no? And how much you pay short time handsome man?

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