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  1. #10455
    "It used to be called illegitimacy. Now it is the new normal. After steadily rising for five decades, the share of children born to unmarried women has crossed a threshold: more than half of births to American women under 30 occur outside marriage."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/18/us...iage.html?_r=1

  2. #10454
    The nightmares of the US legal system and the leverage AWs have in divorce court is more than enough to keep a few hobbyists in the game.

    I personally can't imagine myself compromising my liberties by marrying / impregnating an AW. Maybe I'm just a bitter asshole, a misogynist, anachronistic jerk but I'll take my casual foreign lays to a domestic alimony payment any day.

  3. #10453

    There is nothing wrong with that

    True, once in a while you will run into some really screwed up, drugged up, drunk as a skunk people in our hobby, but that's the exception, not the rule. On the other hand, in my travels I've been priviledged to have met some truly elite gentlemen who enjoy the hobby tremendously. We share a bond and know that our choices will never be accepted by our brethen in our countries or cities (Depending on where they are from) , so we know how to stay low key about the serious amounts of tail we engage in defiling in either P4P activities or freebies which happen from time to time. The amount of lifestyle conditioning people in our society go through (I'm speaking of good 'ol sex prison, the USA!) is seriously twisted: Give yourself to one woman, watch woman take all your sh*t even if she cheats on you; a real eye opener for those of us who have experienced marriage and the US court systems.

    Ever since I started down this path, this hobbby has given me the greatest highlights, the highests highs I've ever experienced and there is no way in hell I plan on giving myself to an AW to take all my sh*t ever again. There is no way to convice me that there are better choices than this lifestyle. IMHO, I just don't buy it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BocaJr  [View Original Post]
    Mongering is for malajusted basterds? Maybe this generally true. If a man were to substitute P4P completely for normal relationships, were to build there social interactions around paying for action, surely this behavior would be unhealthy at best. But what's wrong with getting a little tail when I'm on vacation / away on business?

  4. #10452
    Mongering is for malajusted basterds? Maybe this generally true. If a man were to substitute P4P completely for normal relationships, were to build there social interactions around paying for action, surely this behavior would be unhealthy at best. But what's wrong with getting a little tail when I'm on vacation / away on business?

  5. #10451
    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleman Travel  [View Original Post]
    That's not my theory. I don't hold mongering out as evidence of a "bad seed" or bad upbringing.

    I meant things like dropping out of school, drugs, violent crime, dysfunctional relationships, failure to find a productive place in society.

    Maybe some mongers fit that description, but most of us are just ordinary guys who want more sex and fun in their lives. That is as American as apple pie.

    It is only the puritanical stream of America (which is currently pretty dominant, at least in public life) that treats this behaviour as unnatural or dangerous to society. Other societies (and time periods) are much more relaxed about this.

    I agree that mainstream Americans would view our hobby as you describe, but we know better.

    And not all mongers reject traditional relationships. Many just use mongering to supplement their everyday relationships. This does not make those relationships or people dysfunctional, in fact it is highly functional to create coping mechanisms to deal with problems / lacks in your life.

    So I am guessing that mongers come from the same diverse backgrounds as any other segment of society. Actually, maybe a little more educated and elite and self-aware because we travel and immerse ourselves in other cultures and clinically examine the shortcomings in our own.
    Beautiful post!

  6. #10450

    Good Seed, Bad Seed

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocha Monger  [View Original Post]
    That is quite an interesting hypothesis regarding bastards. Do you think most mongers are bastards from dysfunctional homes or legitimate children from loving married couples who never divorced? Keep in mind that society would generally consider mongers bad seed. As far as most people in America are concerned a bunch of guys who reject traditional relationships and instead fly around the developing world fucking poor girls must be a really bad bunch. I've heard people say such a lifestyle is selfish and degenerate. On many non-monger travel and expat forums mongers are met with blatant hostility. Some people even went so far as to join this forum to make threats against mongers. Do you think that American parents would consider their sons normal well adjusted individuals if they were to find out that they spend their time and money flying around the globe fucking hoes in poverty stricken countries?

    If your hypothesis is true then very few mongers should come from happy loving two parent households. After all, if marriage created such a positive environment wouldn't men seek to emulate their fathers rather than avoiding commitments?
    That's not my theory. I don't hold mongering out as evidence of a "bad seed" or bad upbringing.

    I meant things like dropping out of school, drugs, violent crime, dysfunctional relationships, failure to find a productive place in society.

    Maybe some mongers fit that description, but most of us are just ordinary guys who want more sex and fun in their lives. That is as American as apple pie.

    It is only the puritanical stream of America (which is currently pretty dominant, at least in public life) that treats this behaviour as unnatural or dangerous to society. Other societies (and time periods) are much more relaxed about this.

    I agree that mainstream Americans would view our hobby as you describe, but we know better.

    And not all mongers reject traditional relationships. Many just use mongering to supplement their everyday relationships. This does not make those relationships or people dysfunctional, in fact it is highly functional to create coping mechanisms to deal with problems / lacks in your life.

    So I am guessing that mongers come from the same diverse backgrounds as any other segment of society. Actually, maybe a little more educated and elite and self-aware because we travel and immerse ourselves in other cultures and clinically examine the shortcomings in our own.

  7. #10449

    Playing the odds

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Enternational  [View Original Post]
    Statistics can be bent to say anything. There are several outliers, then there is all of the general population inside of the bell curve. I don't think that a kid will turn out badly just because one parent is not or seldom is in his life. What about the cases when a parent has died while the kid was young? Just because there are two parents in a house does not mean it is stable or supportive. It could very well be a hell hole.

    The whole thing boils down to responsibility. If you don't plan on being a responsible parent then you have no business having fucking kids. But in the end you must remember that the child is an individual and has a mind of it's own. You can give it the best raising possible but it will eventually and always go the way that it wants when all is said and done.
    True there are always outliers and exceptions and lots of cases that prove opposite things.

    Some kids can grow up great in the most adverse conditions.

    And lots of loved and nurtured kids end up bad or useless.

    And sure lots of kids survive divorces pretty well. In fact that is a big chunk of the population.

    I am talking about playing the odds and not starting a kid's life with the odds stacked against him / her.

  8. #10448
    Hi CM, no more flaming, ok? The bastard theory does not hold water. No sociological study suggesting this unlike say, recidivism. I'm case-in-point. My folks were happily married 56 years. My brother has been happily married over 30 years. I've never been married. Always been a monger. After my first girlfriend, a Japanese-American, dumped me for another stud. As the saying goes, why buy the cow when you can milk for free? (or at least cheaper). Peace.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chocha Monger  [View Original Post]
    If your hypothesis is true then very few mongers should come from happy loving two parent households. After all, if marriage created such a positive environment wouldn't men seek to emulate their fathers rather than avoiding commitments?

  9. #10447

    Bastards, Marriage, and Mongers

    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleman Travel  [View Original Post]
    Sure you can have a kid without getting married, but that vastly increases the difficulties of raising a child and the odds of him / her turning out badly.

    All the statistics and studies show that children brought up in stable, supportive households are happier, better adjusted, do better in school and life and are more likely to have stable relationships of their own.

    Single parents have a much tougher time raising kids properly and it shows in drop-out rates, delinquency, etc.

    Of course it depends on many other factors as well. Income, education, involvement of both parents, etc.

    And a kid of a middle class, mid-life marriage breakdown is not in the same boat as a kid whose father was absent from the start.

    Anyone who thinks they should have a kid, without the prospect of a stable, nurturing family, just to propagate his seed, is liable to end up with a bad seed.
    That is quite an interesting hypothesis regarding bastards. Do you think most mongers are bastards from dysfunctional homes or legitimate children from loving married couples who never divorced? Keep in mind that society would generally consider mongers bad seed. As far as most people in America are concerned a bunch of guys who reject traditional relationships and instead fly around the developing world fucking poor girls must be a really bad bunch. I've heard people say such a lifestyle is selfish and degenerate. On many non-monger travel and expat forums mongers are met with blatant hostility. Some people even went so far as to join this forum to make threats against mongers. Do you think that American parents would consider their sons normal well adjusted individuals if they were to find out that they spend their time and money flying around the globe fucking hoes in poverty stricken countries?

    If your hypothesis is true then very few mongers should come from happy loving two parent households. After all, if marriage created such a positive environment wouldn't men seek to emulate their fathers rather than avoiding commitments?

  10. #10446
    Quote Originally Posted by Gentleman Travel  [View Original Post]
    Sure you can have a kid without getting married, but that vastly increases the difficulties of raising a child and the odds of him / her turning out badly.

    All the statistics and studies show that children brought up in stable, supportive households are happier, better adjusted, do better in school and life and are more likely to have stable relationships of their own.

    Single parents have a much tougher time raising kids properly and it shows in drop-out rates, delinquency, etc.

    Of course it depends on many other factors as well. Income, education, involvement of both parents, etc.

    And a kid of a middle class, mid-life marriage breakdown is not in the same boat as a kid whose father was absent from the start.

    Anyone who thinks they should have a kid, without the prospect of a stable, nurturing family, just to propagate his seed, is liable to end up with a bad seed.
    When I made the statement about not having to be married to have a kid, I was doing it under the assumption that the male (such as DJ FM) who wanted to have the kid would be in the kid's life and not just pork the mom in order to see what comes out. Several of my female friends who are educated and well off but are getting older and have yet to find a suitable partner have asked me to help them have children with no strings attached. (I don't think the court looks upon that with the same eyes though.) But there is no way that I'm trying to make a child and not be in their life.

    Statistics can be bent to say anything. There are several outliers, then there is all of the general population inside of the bell curve. I don't think that a kid will turn out badly just because one parent is not or seldom is in his life. What about the cases when a parent has died while the kid was young? Just because there are two parents in a house does not mean it is stable or supportive. It could very well be a hell hole.

    In my situation my parents divorced when I was 12 and my brother was 2. My dad still came to see us everyday and my mom had no problem with that. We are his kids and from her standpoint he should be able to spend time with us whenever he wanted. The thing is that most women are not like my mom and most men are not like my dad. Some guys can't be begged enough to go spend time with their kids and some women refuse to let their kid's father spend time with them. A lot of AWs want to shelter their kids from the father because of some ill will or resentment that they harbor against him. My parents' kids turned out alright though. I have an MBA in International Business and I'm doing well in life and my brother has a BS in Criminal Justice and Sociology and is a police officer and owns his own security business in which he has many contracts. Hell, my dad even works for my brother now. My brother is another good example. He got custody of his son when he was only a couple months old because his mother was not being a responsible parent. Now my nephew is 10 and has always had all As in school.

    The whole thing boils down to responsibility. If you don't plan on being a responsible parent then you have no business having fucking kids. But in the end you must remember that the child is an individual and has a mind of it's own. You can give it the best raising possible but it will eventually and always go the way that it wants when all is said and done.

  11. #10445

    Bastards

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Enternational  [View Original Post]
    What does having a child have to do with getting married? I am all for the former, but the latter is when you screw yourself. Don't get the two confused and think you have to combine them. You can most certainly do one without doing the other.
    Sure you can have a kid without getting married, but that vastly increases the difficulties of raising a child and the odds of him / her turning out badly.

    All the statistics and studies show that children brought up in stable, supportive households are happier, better adjusted, do better in school and life and are more likely to have stable relationships of their own.

    Single parents have a much tougher time raising kids properly and it shows in drop-out rates, delinquency, etc.

    Of course it depends on many other factors as well. Income, education, involvement of both parents, etc.

    And a kid of a middle class, mid-life marriage breakdown is not in the same boat as a kid whose father was absent from the start.

    Anyone who thinks they should have a kid, without the prospect of a stable, nurturing family, just to propagate his seed, is liable to end up with a bad seed.

  12. #10444
    Quote Originally Posted by Dickhead  [View Original Post]
    I like Latina and Asian women in spite of the fact, not because of the fact, that they are short. All else equal I prefer tall women, but since I'm not tall they don't give me the time of day. There is a woman in my Spanish class now who is about 6'2" and I would love to go up on her. She has a hell of a sense of humor, too. But she won't go out with me. I don't know if it is because I am short, because I am old, because I am ugly, or because of all the crass things I say in class. Gee, maybe it is a combination of all of those? Ya think?

    There are two other women in the class who would Like to date me but one is all tatted up with a bunch of shrapnel hanging off her face and the other one talks like this: Like I was you know like umm like you know [insert stupid bullshit] when like you know umm I don't know, you know, [some other insipid bullshit] and I couldn't, like, deal with it you know so I umm, like, I don't know, whatever.
    Don't know about AR but here in CO being tall is NOT considered a plus physically. In North America I remember it was always that way that women would NEVER date a guy shorter than them (must suck to be a 6'2" woman in the US or Canada I guess) but here in Colombia nobody cares much about that.

  13. #10443
    I like Latina and Asian women in spite of the fact, not because of the fact, that they are short. All else equal I prefer tall women, but since I'm not tall they don't give me the time of day. There is a woman in my Spanish class now who is about 6'2" and I would love to go up on her. She has a hell of a sense of humor, too. But she won't go out with me. I don't know if it is because I am short, because I am old, because I am ugly, or because of all the crass things I say in class. Gee, maybe it is a combination of all of those? Ya think?

    There are two other women in the class who would Like to date me but one is all tatted up with a bunch of shrapnel hanging off her face and the other one talks like this: Like I was you know like umm like you know [insert stupid bullshit] when like you know umm I don't know, you know, [some other insipid bullshit] and I couldn't, like, deal with it you know so I umm, like, I don't know, whatever.

  14. #10442
    Quote Originally Posted by DJ FourMoney  [View Original Post]
    She's also 6'0 and we know how most men don't like tall women, they like small petite women they can dominate either mentally or physically or both (which is why Latin America and Asia are so popular on here). She has found it difficult to find the men she likes in Poland (Black Men) who have something going for themselves and not shorter than her.
    I guess Poland would be the place for me because I am black and like tall women. But too bad it gets so damn cold there and I am under 6'0". Guess I will have to stay here in Thailand, the land of milk and honey. Light on the milk and heavy on the honies. On my way to the beach....

  15. #10441

    American Women

    Well have to say that I drank from the AW cup and found it to be quite a horrible experiance. One that taught me to be wary.

    I had struggled to get to a position to be with her and when I did and we were together the changes came about gradually but constant. Issues that had me thinking and then they had me reaching for the exit. I was soooo glad I had not married this one as she would have done what she could to get her hands on my assets. Got her ass and then she got my assets sounds about right. But I saw sense and I walked and then she was suddenly faced with the prospect of losing her meal ticket.

    I don't mind halping and putting in when I get out but if it goes one way then I sure as hell won't be looking to hang about there are more fish in the sea and a lot more fun to be had in life. Its a mutually beneficial relationship. And they know that hence the reason they try to get a kid on the scene so that you get ties in to a financially committed relationship.

    Wasnt even married but we ended up at a relationship counsellor as I had anger issues. Yeah fucking right I did. Five months down the line the sex was zero the issues she brought were way out of proportion. Kid issues from a previous relationship with a guy who was a fuckwit asshole. Wondering what the next disaster would bring. An understanding of where it was going wrong and that I simply would not get it fixed. The sex was out of this world to begin with. This girl knew what to do when to do it and how to do it. Oral was like nothing I had ever had before then that became a chore then it was a song and dance when I came in her mouth a mad rush to the toilet to spit it out with as much noise and barfing as she could manage. Yep. Drama queen and she had a nasty little addiction to painkillers. So one morning I smelled the coffee and I got my arse out of there pronto. Never looked back and I ensured that I have my fun now without guilt or remorse.

    Women wonder why us guys think with our dicks? Well they have given us much pleasure for most of our lifes and if you don't want to get with the program then we know women that will.

    I like my cock sucked and I prefer it to have my cum swallowed. You don't like that then Ill move on. You start to develop issues then Ill have issues myself. As you can imagine my cock is attached to my wallet get scarce wi my prick and my wallet becomes shy get my drift?

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