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  1. #12778
    One part of it may be that management has been told not to intervene with the girls as much as before too. So the girls aren't getting proper training at customer retention.

    I do however know that many girls read this forum, so perhaps they might want to read this article too:

    https://www.quicktapsurvey.com/blog/...eat-customers/

    And the last problem I see is that at our point in time, 50 really is too cheap and 100 really is too high given inflation, spending power and market competition. But girls don't want to settle in the middle at 60 or 70 (because small notes are worthless? And nothing is worse than hustling about money if you want a repeat customer. So prices should be static and guys should know before entering and never have to discuss it with the girls. As soon as money is brought up in the conversation, alarm bells are ringing in the heads of every guy there, and negative impulses arise.

    As an ex sales person myself with several years of experiences in it, I know that every negative impulse you give takes three times as long to fix. You need 3 positive impulses to fix any negative impulse. And every impulse is a price driving force. So as soon as you mention 'money', or word 'extra' from the girl (the guy should know about 'extra' policies when entering, and never discuss it with the girl) the willingness to pay falls, and the chances of having a return or repeat customer falls even lower. Right before a sale is locked, it is the worst time in the world to come with a negative impulse. So why in the world is this happening? Why is money brought up? Lack or experience among the girls, or poor training and knowledge is my only guess.

    Lastly, the prices for 'extras' sounds out of touch. Who would pay 50 or even 30 extra for fingering? Who would pay 50 or even 30 extra for kissing and then see that only the bad kissers are the ones not including it for free. Or anal or BBBJ or whatever they try. An extra is never +100% or even +60% of the base price. An extra is normally +20% for single items, or maximum +40% for full extra bundles of 3-4 added items. This is plain micro economics to add maximum income. And if the girls really are there for maximising the income (as some openly suggest), then why don't they follow these simple rules?

  2. #12777
    Quote Originally Posted by Polyamorist  [View Original Post]
    Sayyid Pistons: it's not because the market is saturated that there are no new FKKs. It's because in 2017, the German government sent a big signal that it is hostile to FKKs. It increased raids, restricted immigration, imposed registration, etc. No sane moneymaker would want to start an FKK in this adverse legal climate.

    Time for mongers to get the message and move on. Evolution is about adaptation and migration.
    I understand your statement about the German government sending a big signal that it is hostile toward FKKs, but I can also see things slightly from the governments viewpoint. Since their inception, FKK / Sauna Clubs have operated largely outside the realm of legal businesses. No regular industry; bar, restaurant, construction, etc. Would have been allowed to so openly operate outside the law for numerous years. The entire BBBJ section of the law is different. I know as an immigrant worker in Europe, I was required to register with the city, region and country. I also had to register with a professional guild. The company I helped establis and worked for had to register and undergo compliance reviews. I think the only reason the clubs were allowed such a long free run was they were not so numerous and many government officials were among the clients. I feel the rapid expansion of the clubs and heavy involvement of criminal elements in ownership and control of clubs forced government officials to take steps to bring about compliance on an equal level with other legit businesses.

  3. #12776
    Pistons. Yes the tendency is to romanticise a mythical past (in politics this takes a very dangerous turn). Personally I think some things are better now than they used to be (whatever the timescale), but on certain objective measures I am sure that FKK is now a caricature of its glory days.

    Just my way of seeing.

  4. #12775
    Quote Originally Posted by Pistons  [View Original Post]
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    - The FKK scene has peaked. Until 2 years ago you saw new FKK's popping up every 6 months. Big FKK's, and there was a boom in the market. Now the market is saturated.
    Sayyid Pistons: it's not because the market is saturated that there are no new FKKs. It's because in 2017, the German government sent a big signal that it is hostile to FKKs. It increased raids, restricted immigration, imposed registration, etc. No sane moneymaker would want to start an FKK in this adverse legal climate.

    Time for mongers to get the message and move on. Evolution is about adaptation and migration.

  5. #12774

    Another few theories

    'Everything was better in the past'. We've all heard this statement a million times before. Sure the BBBJ rule has something to it, but aside from that, it is mostly in our heads.

    Why the past allways seems happier than the present:

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/987726

    - The FKK scene has peaked. Until 2 years ago you saw new FKK's popping up every 6 months. Big FKK's, and there was a boom in the market. Now the market is saturated, and there are perhaps one or two clubs too many to spread the girls around at. Leaving the impression that the clubs are having problems. The real story might just be market normalization after a boom period. Adding girls from all the FKK's together, the overall options haven't fallen at all. It is quite stable.

    - Obesity is going up, and the average man don't exercise enough. Especially cardio. Before my latest venture into FKK land for me, I did some more cardio than I have done for some years. It resulted in me averaging 4 sessions a day for the first 4 days. And I had no issues finishing every time. On previous visits with less cardio, I have fallen down to 2/3 finishers.

  6. #12773
    Polyamorist. My German, french, and Romanian with English accent makes them laugh and sows confusion. They even have asked me what part of Romania I come from.

    Mind you my English has become a bit syntax strange.A girl pointed out to me yesterday that I was speaking English with a German or Romanian (I forget which)sentence structure

    I don't think they discriminate. It is just trying to profile which guests are high earners. Any US visitor is laden with money they think, simply because he has to pay the airfares. When I tell them my airfares are 100 return I can see them recalculating their profile of me a bit.

  7. #12772
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist  [View Original Post]
    Polyamorist. I share your heartfelt despair. The hardest thing as a native English speaker is to establish that I should get some respect from the girls. When I initiate contact in English as opposed to (bad) German or Romanian, the reaction is generally worse as it marks me down a a possible rich tourist used to paying inflated prices.
    Na uzo billah, Optimist. To me it seems a bit crazy for Romanians to discriminate against non-locals because they themselves are very non-local and usually know little of the local culture -- less than you or me.

    Maybe the thing to do is speak English in a zany French accent. After all, Sir Ioja seems to have a good time. I'm thinking more Peter Sellers than Steve Martin.

  8. #12771
    Quote Originally Posted by Sirioja  [View Original Post]
    So Germans and some kind of locals would use FKKs as washing machine for money?
    For sure a majority of clubs are used for washing money, by the owners, not the clients. You missed my point slightly. These days there is not as much illegally earned untaxed cash in the hands of average citizens to spend in clubs. For sure the Dutch and German men found 4+ days per week in the same club have not all suddenly lost their appetites for sex. It's easy to tell a significant other that you are going to play golf with your friends and spend 110 for the golf, food and drinks. Excuses like that start failing when you return home less a couple hundred every weekend and your significant other starts asking for explanations.

  9. #12770
    Polyamorist. I share your heartfelt despair. The hardest thing as a native English speaker is to establish that I should get some respect from the girls. When I initiate contact in English as opposed to (bad) German or Romanian, the reaction is generally worse as it marks me down a a possible rich tourist used to paying inflated prices.

    In fact I think I might get better service from a sex robot than from some of these girls who behave without humanity LOL.

  10. #12769
    Quote Originally Posted by Chongmal  [View Original Post]
    Pistons,

    You've been around the scene for some time and seem quite in tune with local trends. I would like to bump a theory from myself and some local friends that we believe has resulted in lower attendance by locals in clubs as well as a reduction in the amount of sessions per visit. I'm willing to hear from any others regarding the theory as well.

    Our theory is that there is less untraced money in the hands of local men due to increased effort of local nations to capture black market spending. Many nations have started demanding all purchases above certain prices to be conducted via bank transfers. This results in the government tax authority to be able to trace the money. A secondary effect is that wives now see this money on the husbands books, making it harder for the man to hide spending cash in clubs.
    So Germans and some kind of locals would use FKKs as washing machine for money? Not only World for Hells?

    My theory is very different, even I don't like to speak with guys in clubs except a very few, I only drive for beauties, but unfortunately for me I'm too known, so what I'm told is castings are down, I respect you enjoy and try to support a club, and I would really prefer to still write what I wrote 1 year ago because it would mean I have a top girl in this club, 1 is enough and the best for me, then no jealousy problems, but this club is more and more empty, even alcohol back, because of casting going down since end of 2017, if you look for beauties with real GFE behavior, it has been but not the good place at the moment if you don't want GND land. Even GT which is number 1 in NRW is average casting on 2018. Oase is also so average for looks, I don t even try anymore World where I had so pretty girls and the most perfect for look care in my whole life, I tasted her everywhere for our many rooms, sometimes 3 rooms on same Saturday, for 1 year, and she gave me my dream when she returned from her Easter 2015 . The only wow girl seen in whole Germany on 2018 , except my exceptional German escort, was at Sharks on mid June, but didn't want to stay in FKK land. A pretty girl also met at Mainhattan on beginning of June, great in bed but so complicated with her. 2 attractive girls met at YY, Fabienne and Geisha. This, working hard every week ends, not being stuck to only 1 club. Only good casting seen was at Sharks on mid June and I was surprised how business was slow for most of girls, even sexy Elen seen waiting for long time, sitting at the bar, even she is a Asians specialist.

    I don't know about washing money, my money from working hard doesn't need, I know what worth my money and my behavior with women, so I don't want to pay for girls who are not pretty enough to be my GF in real life, or are not respectful.

    For sure, I know Germans use brothels as bar / restaurant to meet other guys, to make saunas, to be massaged, to take sun, to watch football. Many dont give business to girls, like in your favorite club, when I give business when I succeed to find a beauty, and then I work to make her become enjoyable, to repeat with her. I drive for this.

    Only my subjective theory of course, from a very different guy who only wants beauties.

  11. #12768
    Quote Originally Posted by Ggeorge6  [View Original Post]
    Ok so I have my itinerary planned, what do you guys think? I have a car so no problems getting around.

    Thursday: Babylon.

    Friday: Acapulco (or dolce vita?

    Saturday: World (or Sharks?

    Sunday: Goldentime and maybe Living Room.

    Monday: Samya.

    I did Sharks before and loved it, I'm thinking of giving world a try! Or is it really bad?

    Is there anywhere better in that area on a Friday?

    Thanks for all the advice! What is YY and PHG? Will samya be good enough on a Monday?

    FYI I had the midnight pizza at LR before, it's just cold hard crisp pizza they leave lying around. But when there is a cook it's very good food.
    The best thing about a place like samya is the club atmosphere on a weekend. I suggest you go there on a Saturday night.

  12. #12767
    Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis  [View Original Post]
    Hadn't considered increased scrutiny of cash transactions and taxes as a cause for decreased FKK attendance. This theory makes sense for Germans and Italians who have been slow to go cashless, but have been inching toward it the last five years. Germany would be the biggest category of mongers. However, some of the main nationalities represented at FKKs have been quite cashless for a while: https://gomedici.com/which-countries-are-close-to-a-cashless-world/

    But I can throw in another technology-related observation: smartphones and 4G networks. Nowadays if the wife or GF is away on business or visiting her parents, she might expect you to video chat. She may want to see your face. What if you are supposed to be at home, but she cannot see the walls of your living room in the background? Level of impact may be different depending on age demographic. This technology may have not penetrated the 50-70 age monger demographic. But the tech-savvy younger mongers, or mongers with younger significant others will see greater impact.
    Cash is still popular in Germany IIRC. I don't think governments care much about cash transactions unless it's somewhere in thousands. As for video chats on smartphones a person can always make an excuse for not answering such as phone being turn off. Nothing new really.

  13. #12766
    Quote Originally Posted by Polyamorist  [View Original Post]
    I thought English was supposed to be the smart language, the international language. How did it become the you-must-be-a-dumbass language?
    I used to think it was a smart language too but lately I have been reading some of the more recent posts on this Board and now I'm not so sure!

  14. #12765
    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander  [View Original Post]
    Yes indeed, I may be a jaded curmudgeon. But I don't live in dreamland or is that the USA where you dream about sex in other peoples countries because you have wrecked your own! In fact the US is so pussy whipped that websites such as this cannot even be hosted in the country and have to be based in Europe.
    Yesterday I was introduced to a new term for baby kisses: "American kissing". As in, "When I said I liked kissing I meant American kissing, not French kissing".

    I cancelled the session and was not charged. But I still felt depressed. I kept thinking, "Maybe I shouldn't have spoken to her in English. If I'd stayed talking French or German, she wouldn't have treated me that way".

    I thought English was supposed to be the smart language, the international language. How did it become the you-must-be-a-dumbass language? I even see this in the Arab world. You need to speak French to be taken seriously.

    In the FKKs what is happening is that the girls are evolving different routines for locals and non-locals. I consider this a form of discriminatory racism, and I blame the FKK managements for allowing it. For now what I find I must do to get good service is act as much as possible like a local. But still, sometimes I will arrive at a room with a girl and get the stupid upselling routines and realize I have been conflated with the dumb tourists.

  15. #12764
    Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis  [View Original Post]
    But I can throw in another technology-related observation: smartphones and 4G networks. Nowadays if the wife or GF is away on business or visiting her parents, she might expect you to video chat. She may want to see your face. What if you are supposed to be at home, but she cannot see the walls of your living room in the background?
    That's simple: decorate your living room like FKK Living Room, don't forget James Bond picture like the one behind the reception desk.

    Actually, tourist mongers have the same problem: wives calling and wanting to video chat in the evening when your are likely to be just going to your second zimmer of the evening. I tell wife I was reading a book and fell asleep, and left the phone in the car LOL.

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