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[Sirioja]

According to these sources, TRT really only improves sexual function in those with abnormally low T, or hypgonadism. And even those with hypogonadism only experienced a "mild positive effect". There are also risks associated with TRT (stroke, heart attack, sperm count may not bounce back)..

Make sport, be fit, don't smoke nor drink to have a full power heart, then, even over 50 you can fuck with very hard dick for few hours. As say girls: You fuck more than 20's guys. But I need beautiful woman types, to feel desire.

Porn is not good for sexuality, just because porn is not sex, just a fake show.

[Takedown]

According to these sources, TRT really only improves sexual function in those with abnormally low T, or hypgonadism. And even those with hypogonadism only experienced a "mild positive effect". There are also risks associated with TRT (stroke, heart attack, sperm count may not bounce back).
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Also googled "TRT" and "orgasm". Looks like bodybuilder forums, and guys complaining of impaired sexual function while TRT. Not sure what one can make of their outcomes. It seems to be anecdotal evidence that supports above two sources. However, I am making assumptions here i.e. bodybuilders are younger guys, so they probably have T levels in the normal range. Also they are obviously not supervised medically and probably using black market drugs.

Hah! Are we arguing the value of testosterone replacement therapy now? What game can you possibly playing at? Maybe there are some "I nofapped and I still can't pop" stories out there too.

Seems to me that you are still pushing this no fap bro science pretty hard.

Obviously one should manage TRT with a doctor as there are tons of possible adverse side effects, long term and short term.

Years ago I got on some juice for 10 weeks and admittingly abused it without checking my levels. I was fucking harder, more often, and erections were stronger. I was still chubby as fuck and not cardiovascularly fit but banging out four girls in a day for four solid hours was no problem at all.

[McAdonis]

I say if you're looking for supplementation, direct hormone replacement is the only sure fire way to boost testosterone to levels needed to improve sexual performance.

According to these sources, TRT really only improves sexual function in those with abnormally low T, or hypgonadism. And even those with hypogonadism only experienced a "mild positive effect". There are also risks associated with TRT (stroke, heart attack, sperm count may not bounce back).

Use of testosterone replacement therapy may increase your sexual function but only if you truly have abnormally low T and your sex drive is low as well. In a German study, the authors noted that men with hypogonadism who took supplemental testosterone experienced a mild positive effect on sexual functioning from taking the hormone. However, in men with normal T levels, supplementation does not appear to have much of an impact on sexual function.

For example, a review appearing in the Journal of the American Geriatrics Society article reported that based on their findings, testosterone supplementation cannot be recommended at this time for older men with normal or low-normal testosterone levels and no clinical manifestations of hypogonadism. One reason for this response may be that when the body is given testosterone, it transforms some of it to estrogen, and higher levels of this hormone may cause a reduction in sex drive, which is opposite of the desired result.

Although evidence indicates that testosterone therapy doesnt cause prostate cancer, there is some research showing it may speed up the growth of an existing prostate cancer or make it worse.

In addition to the challenges already noted, the side effect list includes development of acne, sleep apnea, heart failure, hair loss, liver problems, breast growth, increased risk of heart disease, worsening of urinary tract symptoms, and blood clots. Approximately 40 percent of men who take testosterone replacement develop polycythemia, a condition in which the blood cell count rises and thickens the blood. This in turn can raise your risk of stroke, blood clots, and heart attack.

Basically, at least for the time being, use of supplemental testosterone can be beneficial for men who have been diagnosed with clinical hypogonadism (low T levels and symptoms), but for other men its a huge mistake.

https://prostate.net/articles/testosterone-replacement-therapy-does-it-work

Dr. Welliver cautions men with an untreated heart problem, sleep apnea or a history of elevated red blood cell counts to not take TRT, as testosterone could worsen these conditions. Men with prostate or breast cancer should carefully use TRT for the same reason, he said. "Men planning on having children should avoid TRT, because it can decrease sperm count and fertility," said Dr. Welliver.

Do not take TRT for non-medical reasons, such as body building, preventing aging changes or performance enhancement. Men who have normal testosterone levels will not be helped by TRT. "Some men buy testosterone-boosting products at the gym or online, and that can be dangerous," he warned. "You don't know what's in those products as they are not regulated by any governing body."

https://www.urologyhealth.org/patient-magazine/magazine-archives/2017/summer-2017/testosterone-replacement-therapy-is-it-right-for-you

Also googled "TRT" and "orgasm". Looks like bodybuilder forums, and guys complaining of impaired sexual function while TRT. Not sure what one can make of their outcomes. It seems to be anecdotal evidence that supports above two sources. However, I am making assumptions here i.e. bodybuilders are younger guys, so they probably have T levels in the normal range. Also they are obviously not supervised medically and probably using black market drugs.

I dont know if this is everyones experience or just mine. Before TRT I used to masturbate daily, now its every three days or more. It feels like my testes produce such a low volume of ejaculate that theyre in conservation mode constantly. During sex it takes forever to cum, and when I do cum both balls retreat into my body so its like it requires the use of the secondary tank. And my orgasms are a hell of a lot less satisfying which I believe is due to having a low volume of ejaculate.

Sorry for being graphic, it just seems like a curse to feel more attractive and have a high sex drive, firmer erections, and interested sex partners, but not be able to enjoy it that much.

https://forums.t-nation.com/t/trt-causing-sex-issues/219519

[Cyscek]

Hi pals,

I plan to go to Germany in one month, and I want to visit the FKK Mainhattan (I won't have a car to move outside Frankfurt). I would like to know if girls are clean in this kind of clubs, and if someone know some girls good at DT in this FKK.

[Takedown]

It seemed what piqued KK's interest in the product was the testimonial of another monger reporting that the product made it easier to cum.

Can't disagree with that last post.

In summary, the recommendations from the boards to the OP:

I say if you're looking for supplementation, direct hormone replacement is the only sure fire way to boost testosterone to levels needed to improve sexual performance. OTC Test boosters do not increase testosterone levels enough to stimulate a noticeable improvement in sexual performance, if at all.

McA suggests a no fap, no porn lifestyle change.

Both recognize the importance of improving physical fitness and considering adverse effects of other medication.

One poster suggested Zinc supplementation.

[McAdonis]

But let's reign this back to the pertinent inquiry and relating it to the situation of the original poster.

It seemed what piqued KK's interest in the product was the testimonial of another monger reporting that the product made it easier to cum. I don't think we diverged too far from that topic as we discussed delayed ejaculation / anorgasmia.

Pertinent to our tangent is that KK himself has professed that he is not a chronic porn abuser or engages in much masturbation. He has also professed in the past that his issue was not finishing entirely but mostly finishing with a condom. Taking his word for it, I don't see a reason to propose a nofap, no porn solution as this doesn't seem to be applicable to his case.

According to the "bro science" on the noFap boards, they mention minimum of 90 days abstinence. But if one has been watching porn for decades or is into extreme porn, then they propose a much longer abstinence period. KK described his current masturbation habit as "not much at all". If KK had quantified his frequency (I. E. "I masturbated only 3 times in the past year and once had a streak of 200 consecutive days without masturbating") then I might have not, proposed a period of abstinence.

Masturbating and porn addiction is not the root cause of all impotence; and from the history, it seems to be of very little pertinence in this case. What is more likely here are factors associated with aging, medications, cardiovascular health, and others that fall under the lifestyle-psycho-somatic umbrella.

I don't think I've ever said that masturbating and porn addiction is the root cause of all sexual dysfunction. However, idiosyncratic masturbation was the primary cause for me. At age 21, I was able to masturbate three times in an 8 hour period at home no problem. But then I would fuck my GF 6-8 times a week without a condom and only manage to finish maybe twice and always in missionary position. Generally what happened was that I would fuck her for 20-30 minutes non-stop, then go soft before I could orgasm (no access to Viagra at that time). I cured myself at age 23 and steadily increased my ability to cum. At age 29, I was able to do CIM for the first time (only female hand and mouth). Doing three 30 minute rooms in five hour period and being able to finish inside a London condom in all three sessions was another milestone I had to work towards. And since I quit porn three years ago, I reached other first-time milestones, such as being able to cum while fucking in standing position and being able to do CIM (only her mouth, handsfree). These did not happen overnight. We are talking months and years here. Also, I suspect on all measures of physical health, I have steadily been on a downward trend since age 21 (lower testosterone, higher blood pressure, lower cardiovascular health, higher stress, higher depression, more trouble sleeping, higher bodyfat, etc).

I understand that my case was unique and my DE, at least initially, was several orders of magnitude more extreme than what is generally described here. But the common denominator amongst every fly-in sex-tourist I have spoken to regarding this subject is that they do not have access to cheap, legal, convenient, and frequent vagina while in their home country, so porn and masturbation becomes a necessary and disproportionate part of their routine, as was the case for me. One mutual monger acquaintance of ours, a fly-in monger from continental Europe in his mid-40's, told me that he masturbates 3-6 times a day. He is absolutely certain that even as a teenager, he was never able to masturbate six times a day. Most certainly, he is not physically as healthy as he was in his teenage years. Has his libido increased with age? Or is it that the convenience of streaming, on-demand, and limitless porn has made masturbation that much more tempting for him so that he just does it almost out of habit or boredom?

As I said, I agreed that KK should address his fatigue and insomnia issues first and foremost. But let's say a "reboot" (I. E. quitting porn and masturbation) only increases his number of pops per trip by one or two, I still think it is worth the effort. A reboot takes only discipline and willpower. Starting an exercise regimen or following a healthier diet are obviously worthwhile efforts as well, but those lifestyle changes place additional demands on time, maybe as much 60-75 minutes per day. If guys here were anything like me when I had my porn addiction, I constantly needed new content, and it had to be the right kind of content, otherwise I would not get turned on. So quitting porn has given me back 30-60 minutes per day, that I would have otherwise spent on a porn engine search interface, previewing videos, and closing popup windows.

Once again, I understand masturbation is not the root cause or sole cause of all cases of sexual dysfunction. Here is an excerpt from another peer-reviewed medical article by a NYC urologist explaining all the things he checks when encountering a case of DE (he uses DO as abbreviation for delayed orgasm):

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4816679/

Management should begin with a good medical/psychosexual history, social/religious history, medication list, and physical exam. Focusing on the major etiologic factors (as listed above) is a useful starting point. Medication history should focus on SSRI agents and other psychotropic agents, and define the onset of the use of the medication as it pertains to the timing of onset of DO. Asking about penile sensitivity is a useful question, especially in men at risk for penile sensation loss such as diabetics. Symptoms and signs of endocrinopathies such as testosterone deficiency, hypothyroidism and hyperprolactinemia should be sought. Masturbatory style is another useful line of inquiry as frequent masturbation or idiosyncratic masturbatory styles may lead to DO. Defining relationship status, satisfaction and the role external stressors may be playing in the DO genesis is also important.

Furthermore, identifying the onset of the DO is critical, whether lifelong or acquired. Next, understanding whether the condition is generalized or situational is also critical to understanding the pathophysiology. Asking patients to describe a typical sexual encounter is often a useful ploy to unearth potential contributing factors. Defining the consistency of the problem, that is: does it happen all the time or only some of the time? with sexual intercourse and sexual outercourse with a partner? and how this differs between partner-based relations and masturbation? For example, men who achieve orgasm with masturbation but have difficulty with partner-based relations often have one of two factors as causes loss of penile sensitivity (overcome by vigorous masturbation) or psychological issues (interpersonal conflict, fear, anxiety, or hostility). Inquiring about how long a man attempts relations before stopping may also provide valuable insight into the problem. Some older men, due to inadequate exercise reserve of upper body strength, cease sexual relations sooner than they did when they were younger and thus interpret this as DO. Finally, asking about strategies or medications that have been tried previously for this problem will aid in plotting a course of treatment.

[Takedown]

McA,

https://www.peakhealthadvocate.com/4...rmance-in-men/

Saw this elsewhere, anyone try it to boost sexual performance, increase libido. One guy reports makes it easier to cum.

Anyone actually ever try this out and have experiences to share?

I wonder if the zinc helped. That's what my doc recommended. Said zinc is why eating oysters is associated with great sex. Fenugreek may help. I know women having lactation issues are recommended to take it. Maybe it helps produce for both sexes. But again I'm curious the results without the zinc.

It all comes down to testosterone. Everyone over 30 should have it checked. No one ingredient short of anabolic steroids or Human Growth Hormone will greatly increase your Testosterone levels. Zinc, magnesium, arginine, carnitine, ginseng, fish oil, yada yada yada homeopathic remedy; none of it will help that much.

But let's reign this back to the pertinent inquiry and relating it to the situation of the original poster. KK was looking for feedback regarding libido enhancers, in this case, a product that essentially advertises itself as a testosterone booster. I suggested that direct androgen hormone replacement was really the only way to appreciably boost testosterone.

Pertinent to our tangent is that KK himself has professed that he is not a chronic porn abuser or engages in much masturbation. He has also professed in the past that his issue was not finishing entirely but mostly finishing with a condom. Taking his word for it, I don't see a reason to propose a nofap, no porn solution as this doesn't seem to be applicable to his case.

The point is one that I have contested with you many times in the past; that is, there are many facts involved in impotence and that each person has a unique profile. Masturbating and porn addiction is not the root cause of all impotence; and from the history, it seems to be of very little pertinence in this case. What is more likely here are factors associated with aging, medications, cardiovascular health, and others that fall under the lifestyle-psycho-somatic umbrella.

[Takedown]

Here is the full, verbatim quote from the EverydayHealth article you cited:

Fair enough, and with your final points, it can be concluded that impotence regarding ejaculation from a grand view can be multifactorial. Adminttingly, I ommited the role of cardiovascular and nervous system health (in which medication plays a direct role) in my initial post but believe that to be common knowledge. However, at the molecular level, the level that is most directly manipulated, the picture is more clear.

First, the points regarding mechanical training goes without saying. One can be trained to respond better by sensitizing and desensitizing; that is just a matter of neurons adjusting to higher and lower action potential thresholds from repeated stimulation. Much like pain thresholds can be altered, pleasure thresholds can also be altered.

The points attributing impotence to mere "psychological causes" do seem incomplete. It's not fair to just say, "it's psychological. " This does not really identify a root cause of the issue, namely imbalances in molecules directly involved in ejaculation such as dopamine and serotonin.

Here's an article that tries to explain, as completely as possible, the physiology of ejaculation and orgasm to the anatomical and molecular minutiae:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5002008/

While science has yet to explain all of the intricacies of ejaculation physiology, on a molecular level what keeps popping up is the positive role of testosterone, dopamine, and norepinephrine and the negative role of serotonin and high dopamine thresholds.

What's most important here is that the final stage of ejaculation, the payoff if you will, is that ejaculation is directly modulated by norepinephrine (explained above) which in turn is modulated by testosterone (supported below):

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20492973/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22282243/

[McAdonis]

As a result I don't even jerk off much at all anymore nor do I see Austin hookers; save it all for my journeys.

You are probably correct about overall health and bad sleep being the problem. But a multi-pronged approach to fixing the problem cannot hurt.

When you say "not much at all anymore", it's not clear what your longest periods of abstinence have been.

For what it's worth, those guys on those porn addiction forums advocate minimum of 90 days "reboot" period. This means abstinence (no porn, no masturbation, no orgasm). https://www.nofap.com/rebooting/.

Perhaps a less extreme, modified version of reboot would be better. Just quit porn. Just quit jacking off. And try to hold it until your next sex trip. If you experience withdrawal, than see one of your Austin hookers.

[McAdonis]

"if he has clinically low testosterone or is suffering from depression his body may not respond to sexual stimuli and he may not be able to experience orgasm".

Here is the full, verbatim quote from the EverydayHealth article you cited:

"This sexual desire, or libido, is key in kicking off the process that will lead to orgasm. If a man has no sex drive for example, if he has clinically low testosterone or is suffering from depression his body may not respond to sexual stimuli and he may not be able to experience orgasm. ".

The fragment "if he has clinically low testosterone or is suffering from depression" is a subordinate clause in the above quote, so it modifies the statement immediately preceding it ("if a man has no sex drive" In other words, people with clinically low testosterone or depression will have no sex drive. KK's sex drive appears healthy. I don't think he is chatting and playing cards with his gypsies inside the zimmer.

If testosterone is slightly below average or average, then likely it would be other factors that are in play. In fact further down the page on the EverydayHealth article, it lists some:

"Some men can have problems reaching orgasm. These most often stem from psychological factors; for example, they are still affected by a traumatic event or a restrictive upbringing, or they have fallen into masturbation patterns that could have conditioned the body to take longer to orgasm. However, the problem also can be caused by certain medications or by a neurological or cardiovascular disease, or by having surgery where nerves are cut".

NHS article cites psychological causes especially when DE is situational (https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/ejaculation-problems/):

"Delayed ejaculation can suddenly start to happen after previously having no problems, or (less commonly) the man may have always experienced it. It can occur in all sexual situations, or only in certain situations. For example, you may be able to ejaculate normally when masturbating, but not during sex. When ejaculation only occurs in certain situations, there's usually a psychological cause. ".

WebMD's lists medications, nerve endings and masturbation technique as possible culprits (https://www.webmd.com/men/features/o...ation-problems):

"There are lots of different reasons for delayed ejaculation. Some medicines -- like antidepressants -- are common culprits. For many men, it's age. As we grow older, the nerve endings in the penis become less sensitive. 'When the reflexes slow down, it takes longer,' Keesling says. 'Another thing that happens with age is that your erection ability goes down too, so it becomes more difficult to ejaculate without a full erection. " You may also have a hand in your delayed ejaculation problem. By adopting a masturbation technique that involves intense pressure, friction and speed, some men train themselves to respond to a level of stimulation no partner could duplicate -- at least not without coaching, which the man usually is reluctant to provide. ".

Some men have DE not situationally. In fact one monger told me that due to his health problems, even by his own hand, it will still take him 30 minutes to orgasm.

To your point about peer-reviewed medical articles, I think I found a good one. There are some snippets that cities studies that testosterone which support your point, but also masturbation: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5002008/.

"Perelman and Rowland identified three factors that disproportionately characterized patients with DE: (I) high frequency masturbation (age-dependent, with a mean of greater than 3/ week); (II) idiosyncratic masturbatory style; (III) disparity between the reality of sex with a partner and preferred sexual fantasy during masturbation. They defined an idiosyncratic masturbatory style as a technique not easily duplicated by the partner's hand, mouth, vagina, or anus. Furthermore, those authors noted that many men with DE engaged in a pattern of self-stimulation that was notable for its speed, pressure, intensity, duration, and specificity of focus on a particular 'spot' of sensitivity in order to produce orgasm / ejaculation. In this way, they preconditioned themselves to possible difficulty in attaining orgasm with a partner and, as a result, experienced 'acquired' DE".

[Takedown]

And since this forum now includes Psychology 101 I will add my shrink told me to stop Ambien for a week and replace it with 10 MG Melatonin and the last few nights I haven't slept so good since September 2016 when I discovered what a Gypsy was and went to bed exhausted, elated and excited for what my future held. Perhaps the in-house medical staff can evaluate ' Does one really need ED Drugs or is it mental' and ' The effects of too much ED Drugs'.

All psych / mental root causes eventually manifests in a measurable molecular culprit, sleep included. Other hormones to measure would be cortisol levels, a heavily psych influenced hormone that would lead to sexual dysfunction. As far as Testosterone levels, what is important is Free testosterone, make sure your doctor clarified what level was high, free or total. For me my free was significantly in a lower percentile than my total.

Cardiovascular health is obviously important as if you have plenty of supply, it doesn't matter unless you have highways to deliver them.

[Takedown]

And eat aphrodisiacs such as tomatoes erc. I know I shouldn't say that in here because the FKK clubs tend to run out of tomatoes withing a few minutes after they put them up. LOL.

That's not going to do crap. If you have sexual dysfunction, eating tomatoes, oysters, yada yada won't do anything. Urban legend like drinking orange juice when you're sick.

[Kosher Kowboy]

According to this low testosterone means lower sex drive and lower semen volume. https://www.healthline.com/health/lo.../warning-signs.

"Experts note that low testosterone levels, which affect about 5 million American men, can also result in the release of less semen during ejaculation. Although it doesn't affect your ability to have an orgasm, some men may find a decrease in the volume of ejaculate troubling. " https://www.everydayhealth.com/mens-...tosterone.aspx.

A lot of sex tourists have told me they can orgasm 3-6 times a day watching porn. At the clubs, some of these guys pop zero per day. Or manage like five per the whole week. So I suspect KK is confident that he can physically achieve more orgasms. He is simply disappointed in the number of orgasms he has inside FKK rooms, relative to the number he can achieve watching porn. I could be wrong. He can correct me if that is the case. I have heard that some porn watchers just "edge", which if I understand correctly is to masturbate but never orgasm.

I actually thought recently due to shit performances that I had low-T went to the doctor and tests came back quite the opposite. It was mental and combo of poor diet, not enough exercise the usual suspects (insomnia too) . In 2016 on one of my trips I managed at Mainhatten / Oase in 7 days to cum 21 times (3 times per day) all in rubber bags but now in the same time frame including playing naughty Gypsy style bedroom games finishing 21 times in 7 days isn't even in the cards. This is due to overall health I think and bad sleep. My doctor even told me going to Germany once a month or every five weeks than coming back to the USA jetlagged for days and never getting back in to my routine going to the gym than eating like shit and sleeping bad all take a toll over the months than next thing I know it is time to pack my bags again in fact I have yet in close to two years per my housekeeper / friend to even fully unpack my items! The only organized thing in my house is my passport, charge cards, European two pronged adapters and Euros are all in order the rest of my house looks like an apartment 5 Gypsies might share in Greater Dietzenbach! I (well he) thinks the nonstop journeys are taxing on the body; which is why I have been reading the Medellin boards in great detail to locate a destination to combine Germany with in my own backyard and that place is fucking cheap! Combine the two I could with great fortune never be in Texas for more than two weeks (three max) consecutively as the constant ' coming and going' no pun intended is taking a toll physically and in turn I think with my performances. From the time I land to the time I come home I always seem fatigued there (and here); seems I am always on the run.

As to Porn I really do not watch much at all anymore, should I? I have read much about ' the death grip' if one jerks off too much to porn or no porn that your cock might get adjusted to different ' grips' than when in some girls mouth or pussy (rubber bag or not) the grip can feel different and non-performance can be an issue. As a result I don't even jerk off much at all anymore nor do I see Austin hookers; save it all for my journeys.

I also think (or I need to research) that high dosages of Viagra exceeding the 100 MG ' by miles' per day over a course of 5-10 days might have some impact but I didn't want to tell the doctor this as not to have my Rx reduced.

And since this forum now includes Psychology 101 I will add my shrink told me to stop Ambien for a week and replace it with 10 MG Melatonin and the last few nights I haven't slept so good since September 2016 when I discovered what a Gypsy was and went to bed exhausted, elated and excited for what my future held. Perhaps the in-house medical staff can evaluate ' Does one really need ED Drugs or is it mental' and ' The effects of too much ED Drugs'.

[Pistons]

Heh, if cumming is a problem, then why not quit smoking?

And eat aphrodisiacs such as tomatoes erc. I know I shouldn't say that in here because the FKK clubs tend to run out of tomatoes withing a few minutes after they put them up. LOL.

The diet is very important, and doing some weightlifting too. Especially when you go beyond 30 years old.

[Mongerer88]

As-salāmu ʿalaykum, Canary! This should be asked more, as we are the ones funding the system. For a good discussion, see these posts from a couple of years back:

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...79#post1407079


Also if Mongerer88 recommends some escorts to you, these girls are probably not independent either. Often there will be a girl with quite ordinary looks selling an hour of her time to locals for 50 euros: then an agency will find her and hawk her to naive tourists at 150/ HR.

It was good that you finally revealed your Northern African heritage to everyone.

I went to Morocco once and was appalled at how women can't go to a customer's hotel room, and the incall places can basically only be found by consulting a tout.

I don't think you know how the independent scene works in far Western Europe and North America where women are free to post ads, communicate freely and move around unobstructed.

The review system works and is best if there are a lot of reviews. When you have posted reviews you tend to stereotype an entire scene based on your experiences with one escort, and sometimes you did not even name the one you did not like.

Women are, fortunately, not all the same. And no two experiences will ever be exactly the same. A lady might like one guy better than the next guy, largely based on whether she liked him. The key to the review system is to find posters a guy has a lot in common with and read his posts for recommendations. They are relatively more likely to find escorts they both enjoy.

You and I have nothing in common, so reading each other's posts is futile, and we are unlikely to enjoy the same sex workers. I only responded because you brought my handle up for some reason.