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  1. #56

    Any update about Voronezh?

    Hello guys,

    In two weeks I have to go to Voronezh for work. Any updates on the city? If you want you can also write to me privately. Thanks in advance for the reply. Andy Cap.

  2. #55

    Sauna part 2

    Hi everybody,

    So I tried an other sauna I found by foot, this was only wrote CAYHA on the wall, hard to find with only the internet map.

    So this was similar price than yesterday, sauna 800 rb more 200 rb for towels, I think she up me the price for towels because she didn't speak about that at the beginning.

    Anyway, same way, she called and 10 min after a man arrived with 2 girls, between 30 and 40 years old maybe, not so young.

    I choose the more younger, so I paid 3500 rb for 1 hour for sauna and girl.

    In the two sauna girls do everything but no sodomy, I tried but they did not want it.

    Well this is my experience with no Russian language, I don t know if the prices are right, good luck guys.

  3. #54

    Voronezh

    Hi everybody,

    Some news about Voronezh.

    Well very hard for non Russian people here.

    The only way I found to have a girl is to go to the sauna.

    But the sauna were hard to find!

    Finally, after 3 saunas I did and t find by foot, I find one named heat sauna in the town center.

    Well there was a boy who know the English.

    So I paid 800 rb for the sauna and 2500 rb for the girl all for 1 hour.

    A man arrived with 2 girls not so young about 40 years old I think, very middle good looking.

    I think it is a expansive price, may be there are other way, I did not find on internet this hotel Brno which provide girls.

    May be there is a place like in Thailand with girl in the street or in a brodel.

    That is my experience, no problems in Voronezh it is safe.

  4. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Zxc33  [View Original Post]
    I am a resident of Voronezh, ready to help!!!
    Hi Zxc33,

    I am actually in Voronezh.

    Can you help me please because I do not speak Russian.

    I am based in the center.

    Thanks

  5. #52

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  6. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianBoy  [View Original Post]
    As usual, Letaxian, your report is interesting from start to finish. Really, you are my favourtie poster on this site. When I see your name I always stop to read.

    However, let me ask you. Do you speak Russian? If so, that gives you an obvious advantage and shuts the door to many of us who don't. I know six Russian words and while it puts a smile on faces when I use them, they are of severe limited use to me. What I am trying to say is, if you do speak Russian than your advice, while greatly appreciated, really can only be taken with accuracy by those who speak Russian as well. How can an English speaker make out in in a city of 200, 000 in Ukraine, Russian or Belarus?
    I'd say that knowing Russian language isn't enough. You need to understand the local ways too, because quite often it's not obvious to a stranger from another country which women are available and which women aren't. The only way to tell is by looking at the way the women dress and behave with you. But clues like these you are likely to miss or misunderstand, when you are a stranger from another culture.

    But you can still meet attractive women in smaller cities by searching and finding them on the Mamba website, or other websites, where women seek men for sex in exchange for benefits. The big advantage of going for women in smaller cities is less competition from other guys, who have lots of money. Which means that the prices are cheaper in smaller cities, while the ladies might be just as attractive as in the bigger cities.

    And another advantage of meeting women directly through a website rather than through a business is that your exchange with the lady is more efficient and more cost effective. This is true even in the big cities. The lady keeps all of the money you give her, and you don't pay any middle-men. Which means that you can give an extra tip for the lady and still end up paying less than you would pay at a strip-club or some other establishment like that. It's better for both you and the lady.

    The only thing to keep in mind is that on your own you have no one to complain to. If the lady cheats you or takes advantage of you in some way. Then the only thing you can do is leave and find another lady.

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  8. #49

    Good report, but.

    Quote Originally Posted by Latexian2  [View Original Post]
    Yes I think many people don't consider just how big some of these cities are. A city that sounds "provincial" like Kharkov, Ukraine or Samara, Russia in fact is really huge with many metro stops. To cross those towns by car can take an hour or more. Showing up and trying to figure out "hot spots" or good promenades to walk along can be very hard. It can really be overwhelming in such a place with only a few days to make anything at all happen (even just having a good night out, let alone getting laid).

    I do think the bigger provincial cities are "bad" in the sense that they can be overwhelming to a newcomer (there's hardly any tourist information in English in books or online) and hard to coordinate meetups from internet contacts. These kinds of logistics are easy to forget about when you're browsing online profiles all from the same city, but if you show up to a big city with 5 contacts, many might be busy and the others might take 5 hours to clean up and get to where you are.

    You're much better off in Moscow / Piter / Kiev / Minsk for that kind of thing. The capitals are like a huge magnet for young girls who have come and are trying to make it studying or working. There are things to see and do and many urban young women, but everything is expensive and a middle class Westerner is not very impressive in terms of money / style / etc. If you have "tight game" though the capitals are the best bet, as many mid-20's girls are used to the cosmopolitan one-night-stand game. But really, you could probably do just as well in NYC or London if that's the case.

    That's why I prefer the smaller towns of 50, 000 (absolute minimum) to 500, 000. Guaranteed to have a hotel and apartments for rent (if not online then in the local newspaper) and you can usually walk from the train station to the center and see most of the town in an hour or two. Every town with 50, 000 in Belarus / Ukraine / Russia will have at least one club or late night spot, and a town of 200, 000-300, 000 will have at least 5-10 such spots. But you can ask any taxi driver and he will know all of them, and you can drive to all of them and see which are any good. In the larger cities a taxi drive from one club to another might be 30 minutes and $20. So you can only move once or twice in a night if a club is a "bust."

    Of course smaller towns have less anonymity factor, which can work against you as being seen with you can have repercussions for a girl. That's why in general I think the sweet spot is pop. 300, 000 or so, where you can get one night stands (and any town of that size in the FSU will have universities / institutes) and explore the market if that's your thing.

    But these smaller provincial cities I find to be the best for what I'm going after, and I've been to many of them. How many people have even heard of Mogilev, Belarus, or Oryol Russia? Towns like that can be gold mines for foreigners looking for freebies / sponsors in a way that Moscow / Piter / Kiev / Minsk can't be anymore. Girls in the capital are interested in foreigners, but from a kind of intellectual cosmopolitan stance: they want to learn about the world and make friends and maybe one day travel. Girls in the provinces will often refuse to believe you're a foreigner at first, and then become wide-eyed when they hear your accent. You'll soon be the hit of the party being introduced to everyone and getting smiles from every girl in eye sight.

    It's just an amazing feeling having six 18-20 year olds firing off questions to you about your life, asking if you're married, would you marry a Russian? All while you can buy them all drinks for $2 a cocktail and come across as a real gentlemen since "guys around here never pay for us."

    So I guess in summary I would say avoid the big provincial cities (besides the capitals) because they're too big, unless you have time to invest in living there (a month or more) or you can make repeated visits or you can research online in Russian. But if you plop me down in any city of around population 200, 000 in the FSU I'll know the layout of the city, good restaurants, and the best club or two within 24 hours of arriving.

    Okay sorry for the long aside on thoughts about demographics. I just find more on more we see posts about prices and the atmosphere in Moscow being basically no better than any major Western city. That "special something" that you can get in the FSU as a foreigner is more visible in the provinces, so I think that's the best place to be going if you have the option and are interested in freebies or in sponsoring girls. If salons / strip clubs are your thing then stick to the capital cities.
    As usual, Letaxian, your report is interesting from start to finish. Really, you are my favourtie poster on this site. When I see your name I always stop to read.

    However, let me ask you. Do you speak Russian? If so, that gives you an obvious advantage and shuts the door to many of us who don't. I know six Russian words and while it puts a smile on faces when I use them, they are of severe limited use to me. What I am trying to say is, if you do speak Russian than your advice, while greatly appreciated, really can only be taken with accuracy by those who speak Russian as well. How can an English speaker make out in in a city of 200, 000 in Ukraine, Russian or Belarus?

  9. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogger862  [View Original Post]
    The other thing I like about the provinces is the simplicity of the cities. One main street and everything you need off that!
    Yes I think many people don't consider just how big some of these cities are. A city that sounds "provincial" like Kharkov, Ukraine or Samara, Russia in fact is really huge with many metro stops. To cross those towns by car can take an hour or more. Showing up and trying to figure out "hot spots" or good promenades to walk along can be very hard. It can really be overwhelming in such a place with only a few days to make anything at all happen (even just having a good night out, let alone getting laid).

    I do think the bigger provincial cities are "bad" in the sense that they can be overwhelming to a newcomer (there's hardly any tourist information in English in books or online) and hard to coordinate meetups from internet contacts. These kinds of logistics are easy to forget about when you're browsing online profiles all from the same city, but if you show up to a big city with 5 contacts, many might be busy and the others might take 5 hours to clean up and get to where you are.

    You're much better off in Moscow / Piter / Kiev / Minsk for that kind of thing. The capitals are like a huge magnet for young girls who have come and are trying to make it studying or working. There are things to see and do and many urban young women, but everything is expensive and a middle class Westerner is not very impressive in terms of money/style/etc. If you have "tight game" though the capitals are the best bet, as many mid-20's girls are used to the cosmopolitan one-night-stand game. But really, you could probably do just as well in NYC or London if that's the case.

    That's why I prefer the smaller towns of 50, 000 (absolute minimum) to 500, 000. Guaranteed to have a hotel and apartments for rent (if not online then in the local newspaper) and you can usually walk from the train station to the center and see most of the town in an hour or two. Every town with 50, 000 in Belarus / Ukraine / Russia will have at least one club or late night spot, and a town of 200, 000-300, 000 will have at least 5-10 such spots. But you can ask any taxi driver and he will know all of them, and you can drive to all of them and see which are any good. In the larger cities a taxi drive from one club to another might be 30 minutes and $20. So you can only move once or twice in a night if a club is a "bust."

    Of course smaller towns have less anonymity factor, which can work against you as being seen with you can have repercussions for a girl. That's why in general I think the sweet spot is pop. 300, 000 or so, where you can get one night stands (and any town of that size in the FSU will have universities / institutes) and explore the market if that's your thing.

    But these smaller provincial cities I find to be the best for what I'm going after, and I've been to many of them. How many people have even heard of Mogilev, Belarus, or Oryol Russia? Towns like that can be gold mines for foreigners looking for freebies/sponsors in a way that Moscow/Piter/Kiev/Minsk can't be anymore. Girls in the capital are interested in foreigners, but from a kind of intellectual cosmopolitan stance: they want to learn about the world and make friends and maybe one day travel. Girls in the provinces will often refuse to believe you're a foreigner at first, and then become wide-eyed when they hear your accent. You'll soon be the hit of the party being introduced to everyone and getting smiles from every girl in eye sight.

    It's just an amazing feeling having six 18-20 year olds firing off questions to you about your life, asking if you're married, would you marry a Russian? All while you can buy them all drinks for $2 a cocktail and come across as a real gentlemen since "guys around here never pay for us."

    So I guess in summary I would say avoid the big provincial cities (besides the capitals) because they're too big, unless you have time to invest in living there (a month or more) or you can make repeated visits or you can research online in Russian. But if you plop me down in any city of around population 200,000 in the FSU I'll know the layout of the city, good restaurants, and the best club or two within 24 hours of arriving.

    Okay sorry for the long aside on thoughts about demographics. I just find more on more we see posts about prices and the atmosphere in Moscow being basically no better than any major Western city. That "special something" that you can get in the FSU as a foreigner is more visible in the provinces, so I think that's the best place to be going if you have the option and are interested in freebies or in sponsoring girls. If salons/strip clubs are your thing then stick to the capital cities.

  10. #47

    Its about making friends.

    If you can make friends, by being generous and charming, women will want to introduce you to their girlfriends.

    Just takes time and some patience with scheduling.

  11. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Passepartout  [View Original Post]
    Thanks latexian for the advices.

    I think you are right, students and freebies might be worth to work on. The only thing is that I didn't have too muh time before the trip to make some contact though internet (mamba, etc.).

    No doubt next trip I will try to get some connection before I go.
    Absolutely the best way to ensure success in the provinces is to use Mamba or such site. A quick search of Voronezh. 18-25 seeking sex reveals 200 profiles. 18-30 gives you 334. Knock out the scammers and there is still a healthy amount of real cuties looking for a sponsor / offering sex for money.

    It is worth the effort to go through the sign up process and get a Real profile.

    Thanks for the report Passepartout, good to hear about somewhere different. The other thing I like about the provinces is the simplicity of the cities. One main street and everything you need off that!

    Cheers,

  12. #45
    Thanks latexian for the advices.

    I think you are right, students and freebies might be worth to work on. The only thing is that I didn't have too muh time before the trip to make some contact though internet (mamba, etc.).

    No doubt next trip I will try to get some connection before I go.

  13. #44
    Great report Passpartout. My experience is the best bet in provincial Russian towns is freebie students (or promising them a gift) at clubs on the weekends. Strip clubs from what I've seen tend to be pretty horrible outside of Moscow / St. Pete. The prices are the same and the quality tends to be lower, and the clubs are smaller with fewer girls. As you found out in these towns the pros are regulated and tend to be hidden if for no other reason putting your picture online is risky for them in a small town.

    But if you can work the freebie angle (if you have some game) the provinces have a much higher advantage for a Westerner than Moscow / Petersburg, although of course much less than a decade ago. Voronezh is pretty sizeable and well-known, but I've had some crazy reactions in lesser known and lesser-accessible cities in the provinces (in both Ukraine and Russia). You can still go there and get laid with freebies with minimal effort and little money spent. There's also the sponsor angle, which many girls are favorable to even if they haven't heard of the concept before. Even if you're older and not great looking you can find sponsorettes if you speak Russian and make your wishes known (of course some will be offended, but others intrigued).

  14. #43
    Guys,

    I have been to Voronezh so this is my report.

    First of all, I don't understand why this thread is open: Voronezh is by far not the biggest city after st pet and Moscow, and the local scene is dead or near to.

    Some advices first:

    There is a good plane from Moscow with Poliet air lines, with a saab air craft. Security being an issue when it is a flight on the Russian territory, it is worth to mention.

    A good hotel in the center if you are on a business is Arthotel, good english spoken, good rooms, excellent breakfast and girls friendly up to midnight. After midnight, you may have to pay some fees if you booked a single room (about 1500 rur more).

    Voronezh is the kind of city with a single central big street long of 2. 5 kms called "revolutsi ulitsa". Every thing is here.

    Local free scene is in my opinion very poor, girls are by far less attractive than in Moscow, less numerous as well.

    Individuals: all the researches on internet ended in a very poor choice:

    - 3 girls in http://www.dosug.cz But 2 of them where you don't see the face, and you don't know the age. I called the one where you see the face, she never answered.

    - on http://sextalk.ru/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=clsr Some very fez post and info on voronezh. Found 2 individuals using the links, called them, one answered but refused to come at the hotel so I declined, second one never answered.

    Then I called the only saloon advertised in dosug. CZ. They answered immediately and agreed to send to me some girls for 2 000 rur an hour at the hotel. Good prices in comparison to Moscow. I asked for slim girls when she asked me what I wanted. She said OK. 20 minutes later the taxi arrived, asked me to meet outside the hotel. The 3 girls he bring were all ugly, fat or old. Still, one week without sex, I took the less worst one, we went to the room, I closed the lights, close the eyes, and asked for a BJ. She did it, never managed to finish. I have lost 2000 rur.

    As for the saunas, I didn't try.

    I went to a strip club called lucky luciano at the beggining of the revolutsi street, where the streets ends in the city center. Impossible to miss. They are 3 strip clubs within 500 meters anyway in this street.

    The waitress explained to me that it is 1200 rur for the entrance fees in the room where they girls are only boobs naked, and 1500 rur in the room where they are fully naked. This is typically the kind of Russian logical that I will never understands: who cares about 300 rur when you go to a strip club honestly?

    Of course, all costumers were in the fully naked room, some of them heavily drunk.

    It was rather unclear for me the rules, some girls dance and don't ask for a tip, some of them asked. I gave 100 rur then saw some disappointment, so gave 200 rur for a "dance" which looks then normal.

    Average quality is 7.

    What I didn't like is that you can't touch the breasts for instance, you need to pay a privatedance for that.

    I tried to negotiate prices for sex in their room, I was quoted usually 12 000 rur for the girl and 4 000 rur for the room, which gives for 1 hour 16 000 rur with a 7. Too expensive and not worth. Of course some bargaining were possible. 30 minutes was also possible at a full quote of 8 000/10 000 rur, but I was not ready to pay that.

    Still, in a boring business trip, I saw nice girls, pass some good moments, spent reasonable amount of money: I would return.

    For the + 30/40, please note that on a Wednesday night, there is a club on revolutsi that you can't miss that organise a disco 80's night, which is very popular. It started around 12. 00/1. 00 AM, so too late for me in the middle of the week and with the planning I had the next day, but I think that's something to dig.

    All in all, unless you must go to Voronezh for business, I would avoid the city for both mongering and free market activities.

  15. #42
    Guys,

    Any fresh information on vorojezh would be much appreciated. All I found on the internet on the usual websites show pretty poor choices availables.

    Any feedback on saunas, or strip clubs?

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