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    Even Hong Kong's Korea bar got me with the 50 dollar beers trick. They didn't tell me till I was in the room with her. I should of left but I didn't. And the beers are always chick beers. I believe they are luke 2% alcohol, and probably 4 ounces. So if your not paying attention, your thinking, ok I'll pay 50 bucks for 5 beers give her one drink 4 be really drunk what the hell. But that not what it is. I suppose that's why it's better to only have 160 on you when you walk into these bars. Then they can't get you for those 50 dollar beer buckets because you want have the money if you. Ought yourself and a girl a couple drinks already.

  2. #1119

    No fichas required.

    HK wants to make big profit selling lots of high-margin fichas, but there are no rules requiring you to buy them just to talk to the girls.

    You can just walk up to any girl, talk to them and negotiate business. If a mesero is nearby, he's under management's order to butt in and sell fichas, but you can tell him to bug off. If you stay with the girl too long, various meseros will butt in, interfering with conversation, shaming you into buying the girl a drink.

    Most girls would prefer to skip the fichas and chit chatting to go quickly to the hotel to make more money in bed anyway. Some hot ones would go straight out saying "no fichas, solo sexo. " However, if you like the girl and want to have a conversation with her, it's always polite to offer her drinks.

  3. #1118
    While I have had many issues all over the rest of the Zona. And some of my lesser experienced wingmen have had even more and bigger issues in the rest of the Zona.

    My wingmen and I have never had issues in HK. They do their job trying to sell drinks and enforce the buisness rules but I never feel like I am getting hustled inside HK.

    Actually never felt that way inside Tropical. The time I got attempted hustled from Tropical occured at my room in Cascadas. Tropical manangement apologized for his behavior.

    On the flip side when my wingman got hustled out of a shitload of money at Adelitas by a waiter there management did not give a f.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeaBeeJoe  [View Original Post]
    I hate the HK Maseros, I don't have one friend among them, the ones I liked already got fired for bullshit and are doing Uber\most try to short change you are rob you in other "creative" ways. Fuck them beta males. I get my own drink now and tip the bartender directly LOL.

  4. #1117

    Miserable Meseros

    Quote Originally Posted by Hadez  [View Original Post]
    HK I have never felt like I was being finessed into some kind of beer / other form of upsell scheme. I have asked for some of the upsell services and enjoyed some of them but never has a waiter try to finesse the upsell on me in HK. I do get 1-3 HK girls per trip because they are the best looking. I am getting pretty good at finding the freaks in this club though the level of freaky is lower than other clubs.
    I hate the HK Maseros, I don't have one friend among them, the ones I liked already got fired for bullshit and are doing Uber\most try to short change you are rob you in other "creative" ways. Fuck them beta males. I get my own drink now and tip the bartender directly LOL.

  5. #1116
    Quote Originally Posted by UfcNumberThree  [View Original Post]

    After that incident, I brought back a gal from HK to my room. We had agreed on a 2 hour session. We did use protection, but other than that, to be blunt, she was a freak, great time. But the twist here is an hour into the session, a mesero knocks on the door. Says that since we're at an hour, I have to pony up for 5 lady drinks to keep the session going. Interesting. Well of course I pony up because I'm having a great time, and I don't know any better. Not sure if that's a normal thing, or a moment where I should have told him to hit the bricks, hopefully you older, wiser types will let me know. Nearing hour 2, mesero is back. Same deal, but this time if I want to keep the gal in my room I have to pony up $100 for 10 drinks. The gal acts surprised by this, has words with the mesero, but she'd told me earlier she's been around the biz off and on for 3 years, so should know all the ins and outs. She says she'll stay but for her cut won't charge me for extra time. So I pony up the goods yet again, and sure enough, the mesero brings 10 little shot glass size drinks (non-alcoholic). Too funny. Unloads them on the counter, I fork over the Benjamin, then he taps on the 'propina' written on his tray. Well played. Anyway, to sum it up, I ended up w / a 2 hour 45 minute session that while high was at better than low end Vegas prices, and the gal really did a helluva job on me, so I guess I can rationalize it in my head that way.
    I had a waiter doing something similar to me from Tropical girl / waiter at Cascadas. I complained to management at Tropical. Multiple girls who are regulars with me have told me if something like this happens the girl is in on it. Waiters will apparently not come up to your overnight room on their own is what two girls told me. The girl needs to bring them up from what I understood.

    Maybe the girls telling me this were just trying to secure money from the competition. Maybe it is true. The waiter who did this to me seemed really cool until I started having drinks with this one girl.

    Games like this are played at every club besides HK.

    Adelitas the worst. The games played here can cost a monger over $100. I have seen it.

    Chicago a little better. The extra money table seats or stupid jacuzzi room upsell it nuts. Right after the TJ Lockdown ended I was getting some dumb hour room rates that I had to push through that game. I keep going here because the best 2 sexual experiences I have had in my life were Chicago girls.

    Tropical does a little finesse game. Tropical is my main place as I prefer high quality sex over extremely good looking girls who allow their looks to be their service. Twice in the last year I have had to fend off some kind of beer game. It is far less than Adelitas and Chicagi.

    HK I have never felt like I was being finessed into some kind of beer / other form of upsell scheme. I have asked for some of the upsell services and enjoyed some of them but never has a waiter try to finesse the upsell on me in HK. I do get 1-3 HK girls per trip because they are the best looking. I am getting pretty good at finding the freaks in this club though the level of freaky is lower than other clubs.

  6. #1115

    Overnight room

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman306  [View Original Post]
    We're you in an overnight room or a rental room? In an overnight room, you have every right to ignore them unless by some chance your past your check out time which is usually 1 pm the day your departing.
    This was overnight room during day 2 of a 3 night stay. Thank you guys for the responses here on how to handle this going forward.

  7. #1114
    Quote Originally Posted by UfcNumberThree  [View Original Post]
    After that incident, I brought back a gal from HK to my room. We had agreed on a 2 hour session. We did use protection, but other than that, to be blunt, she was a freak, great time. But the twist here is an hour into the session, a mesero knocks on the door. Says that since we're at an hour, I have to pony up for 5 lady drinks to keep the session going. Interesting. Well of course I pony up because I'm having a great time, and I don't know any better. Not sure if that's a normal thing, or a moment where I should have told him to hit the bricks, hopefully you older, wiser types will let me know. Nearing hour 2, mesero is back. Same deal, but this time if I want to keep the gal in my room I have to pony up $100 for 10 drinks. The gal acts surprised by this, has words with the mesero, but she'd told me earlier she's been around the biz off and on for 3 years, so should know all the ins and outs. She says she'll stay but for her cut won't charge me for extra time. So I pony up the goods yet again, and sure enough, the mesero brings 10 little shot glass size drinks (non-alcoholic). Too funny. Unloads them on the counter, I fork over the Benjamin, then he taps on the 'propina' written on his tray. Well played. Anyway, to sum it up, I ended up w / a 2 hour 45 minute session that while high was at better than low end Vegas prices, and the gal really did a helluva job on me, so I guess I can rationalize it in my head that way.
    This would be such a gigantic turn-off for me. If they did that to me, that'd be the end of the session. I'd pay the girl for the pro-rated session, and let her know that the mesero just cost her a bunch of money, because they just killed my mood. I know myself, I'd be too steamed to get going again after that. Nothing pisses off one of these girls more than knowing that someone just messed with their money, especially if it's something they're not aware of.

    Also, if this isn't a "pay at the end" lesson, I don't know what else is. If you pay upfront and they pull this stuff, then you're up the creek without a paddle. Anytime a girl asks for money up-front that's the end of the session. I tend to care less about the SW, because it's like $20-30, but with club girls, it usually turns into the most uninspiring experience ever.

    Sounds like the girl was super cool, but this could easily happen with one that's not.

  8. #1113

    Fichas

    Do you have to pay fichas now? I used to just go in there and pick out a girl and go to the room. Never bought them a drink.

  9. #1112
    Quote Originally Posted by UfcNumberThree  [View Original Post]
    After that incident, I brought back a gal from HK to my room. We had agreed on a 2 hour session. We did use protection, but other than that, to be blunt, she was a freak, great time. But the twist here is an hour into the session, a mesero knocks on the door. Says that since we're at an hour, I have to pony up for 5 lady drinks to keep the session going. Interesting. Well of course I pony up because I'm having a great time, and I don't know any better. Not sure if that's a normal thing, or a moment where I should have told him to hit the bricks, hopefully you older, wiser types will let me know. Nearing hour 2, mesero is back. Same deal, but this time if I want to keep the gal in my room I have to pony up $100 for 10 drinks. The gal acts surprised by this, has words with the mesero, but she'd told me earlier she's been around the biz off and on for 3 years, so should know all the ins and outs. She says she'll stay but for her cut won't charge me for extra time. So I pony up the goods yet again, and sure enough, the mesero brings 10 little shot glass size drinks (non-alcoholic). Too funny. Unloads them on the counter, I fork over the Benjamin, then he taps on the 'propina' written on his tray. Well played. Anyway, to sum it up, I ended up w / a 2 hour 45 minute session that while high was at better than low end Vegas prices, and the gal really did a helluva job on me, so I guess I can rationalize it in my head that way.
    That is really fucked up. Were you in a paid overnight room? I've done short time and long time in Rizo and never had knocks at my door unless the 30 min was up. Also never had to buy drinks for the lady for short or long time. I've had ladies from 30 min. to overnight. The only time I got drinks is when I called to request them. Hopefully not a normal thing they are doing as it seems like a money grab. Thanks for sharing!

  10. #1111

    Just Ignore Them. Newbie Mistake

    We're you in an overnight room or a rental room? In an overnight room, you have every right to ignore them unless by some chance your past your check out time which is usually 1 pm the day your departing.

    I've done long sessions (2-4 hours) at Chicago club and an overnighter at Tropical recently which I posted about on here. They knocked at Tropical at the 1 hour mark than maybe every 15 minutes for the next hour until they just left us alone. I turned the tv to the porn channel & turned the volume up.

    Once At Chicago Club hotel, they were knocking every 5-10 minutes, shohting, & even called multiple times. On maybe 3rd or 4th call I answered, told me time with girl was done. I told them no I'm doing longer session & paid for the room for the night. They apologized & offered me free drink later back in the bar.

  11. #1110

    Rizo / Trop Bar / a few little odds and ends

    I had only been to Tijuana once ever on a night back in the pandemic times. Stayed in Cascadas while the bar down below was closed but the 7th floor action was going. Had a pretty good run that trip, so it was time to come back for a new adventure.

    Rolled into the Rizo de Oro 2 Thursdays back around 7 pm with no prior reservation looking for 3 nights. The little bell boy selling the VIP card spoke and understood English perfectly. All except for the part where I picked a double room off his list. He told the hotel clerk a single room. I was like whatever, it can't be that bad and I'll save a few bucks, so I didn't put up a fuss. Room was fine, basically just fits the bed, would've preferred a double that gives a bigger room. Lesson learned. Water pressure was great, hot water right off the bat which is a big plus.

    Went down to Tropical Bar around 8:30 ish. Got my free drink, got my first look at the (lack of) talent. Posted up at the far end of the bar. There was truly maybe one girl there that I thought was pretty good looking, but she was already occupied. I really didn't get approached for quite awhile outside of a few half-hearted attempts, which is too bad for the girls because I can be a sucker for the first girl that makes a decent attempt. That girl ended up being Juvy (though she pronounced it Kuvy). Big boned, big ol naturals, decent enough face. Not what I would've picked out of the crowd, but like I said, I make a good sucker. She said she was 25 and it was her first night. Even had a waiter tell me that it was her first night. It may have been, but it wasn't her first night in the business, that was for sure. Anyway, she was good conversation, enough English to get by, started feeding her $9 cerveza fichas. Not sure how it came about, but switched over to getting her $24 ficha tequila shots at one point, she drained 4 of those total. She said it was Don Julio 70. It may have been, I really didn't eagle eye the bartender to see what he was pouring. While we were sitting there, on two separate occasions, a mesero would bring around a woeful dancer apparently having a slow night, asking for tips for the girl. I threw in a dollar each time.

    Anyway, now that I had Juvy liquored up, I offered her $80 and she quickly accepted. I probably should have started with $60, but alas, I'd already overpaid for the drinks, why stop now. Went up to the room, she was cool, took a shower and even brushed her teeth while I took a shower myself. Once out, she started by getting on her knees and wrapping her boobs around my johnson, so a pretty good start. Pretty standard session, positions, kissing, everything covered. Cowgirl was particularly nice. Didn't feel shorted on time. Showered up again, gave her a $20 tip, and off she went. Told her I would come find her at 5 the next night, but I never showed. If you like big boobs, this girl could be a potential option.

    By this time it was 11:30, so I went over to HK for my first visit to the bar. Wow, talk about a different planet in terms of the number and quality of girls. Plenty of 7's and 8's to choose from, prob a few 9's and maybe a couple 10's. Basically it seemed like there was no reason to ever visit Tropical again. Cruised around the place, finally had Agnes, 26, of Monterrey take interest in me. She is aware Agnes is a terrible old lady name, but chose it because it's unique as no other dancer would likely take that name. She was a petite little morena gal with an ok face but a terrific little spinner body. She had quite a few tats, but you'll definitely know her from her back which is covered in big roses with a black jaguar at the bottom. She spoke English, wore a nice black little dress, and made the effort to dance on me and flirt. After a few $10 fichas, she asked if I was ready to go up. With this one, I asked how much and she came back with $100. I accepted, and off to Rizo we went. Everything covered, standard positions, can't recall if kissing was in the mix or not. Highlight was doggy w / that great spinner body. Put in some work, prob somewhere over 20 minutes but under 30. She asked if I was up for more time, and I declined. Ok session, worth trying once. Didn't add in a tip this time though, so it came out an even $100. If you like spinners, this girl could be a potential option.

    I'll just point out a few odds and ends from the rest of time. The next day around 11:30 I had come back to my room from breakfast and was getting ready to head over to HK. I hear someone at the door for a moment, thought nothing of it, then the door opened and in came one of the hotel workers with a monger who was checking in. Must have gotten the signals crossed with the front desk and she apologized profusely. I actually keep a pretty tight ship, so had I not been there, the monger could have been left in my room to eventually discover my things in the wardrobe. In any event, they ended up putting him in the room next to mine.

    After that incident, I brought back a gal from HK to my room. We had agreed on a 2 hour session. We did use protection, but other than that, to be blunt, she was a freak, great time. But the twist here is an hour into the session, a mesero knocks on the door. Says that since we're at an hour, I have to pony up for 5 lady drinks to keep the session going. Interesting. Well of course I pony up because I'm having a great time, and I don't know any better. Not sure if that's a normal thing, or a moment where I should have told him to hit the bricks, hopefully you older, wiser types will let me know. Nearing hour 2, mesero is back. Same deal, but this time if I want to keep the gal in my room I have to pony up $100 for 10 drinks. The gal acts surprised by this, has words with the mesero, but she'd told me earlier she's been around the biz off and on for 3 years, so should know all the ins and outs. She says she'll stay but for her cut won't charge me for extra time. So I pony up the goods yet again, and sure enough, the mesero brings 10 little shot glass size drinks (non-alcoholic). Too funny. Unloads them on the counter, I fork over the Benjamin, then he taps on the 'propina' written on his tray. Well played. Anyway, to sum it up, I ended up w / a 2 hour 45 minute session that while high was at better than low end Vegas prices, and the gal really did a helluva job on me, so I guess I can rationalize it in my head that way.

    Little nuggets in regards to Adelitas. For me, I like the curvy and generally older gals (late 20's, early 30's) that place has. There were at least 2 gals that I'm sure some would rate as 9 if not 10. One is a slender, tan, tall maybe 5'7 or 5'8 looker, light brunette, nice ass, athletic. You'll know her if you see her. On Friday night, the clientele overall looked like they had come straight from Wal-Mart, and not much business was being done. Saturday night there was much better w / a lot more cash flowing, better atmosphere. Fichas there were $9, short-time room cost was $18 - but if you take up 2 gals at once, price for the room doubles to $36, go figure.

    Anyway, headed back down there this coming weekend again. I live in Vegas, and a few weekends back, visited the Sapphire strip club which is supposedly the strip club with the most square footage in the world. And while yes, there are a ton of girls there, Saturday night cover even for a local was $50 to get in, $16 for a Bud Light in the aluminum bottle, $21 for a well vodka /7, and quoted $100 for a 3 song dance on the floor where the gal dances on you out in the open, and takes her top off for songs 2 and 3. Yeah, Vegas isn't getting any more of my money. Cheers!

  12. #1109
    Quote Originally Posted by LuvMexicanas  [View Original Post]
    Only the uninitiated do not know about it.
    Yes this is where you go when you have a girl that is making out with you, sticking her tits in your face, wants you to eat her ass but all the other girls and customers are looking at you thinking "oh god I'm not doing that for any guy I'll just do my usual lame crap sit here for 8 minutes let him touch my shoulder maybe". The waiters will stand and watch to make sure you don't actually have sex but they don't tell you to behave or anything they are respectful.

  13. #1108
    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman306  [View Original Post]
    Not sure many people know about Tropical Bar's 2nd floor called the Tiki Room. It will be packed on the first floor but open on the second floor.

    There is a patio area that overlooks HK & Adelita.
    Only the uninitiated do not know about it.

  14. #1107

    2 md Floor. Tiki Room

    Not sure many people know about Tropical Bar's 2nd floor called the Tiki Room. It will be packed on the first floor but open on the second floor.

    There is a patio area that overlooks HK & Adelita.

  15. #1106

    Relationships with sex workers in general

    Hadez is right. Not only with putas but with everyone, men or women, relationships require consistent exchanges of equal values. Once either party starts feeling he / she has been unfairly taken advantage of, and high expectations not met, things will turn ugly. Some successful people have found their lives easier, more satisfying and more fun if managed as strings of fair, honest and equitable transactions.

    So what do putas want?

    They are not all the same, but most want money first and foremost, a lot of it, as much as they can pry out of the guys. Latinas start their sex lives early. By the time they start working in bars, they would already have relationships with many guys, got used, abused, controlled, saddled with babies, discarded hardened. They make more than enough money in the bar to survive and support their families. They are self sufficient and get mad at guys who try to get free or cheap sex and long-term commitments from them. They would play their games to drain the guys of all their money and feelings then discard them like trash to pay back for all the abuses they had to go through in their lives with previous lovers.

    They are narcissistic, like to hang out have fun with their putas friends, party with guys every night, being worshipped and lusted after, drinking, going out to fancy dinners, shopping, entertainment, hot sex with new guys couple times a night, being in control of relationships. It's hard to beat this fun and sexy party life style staying home with the old man. Hot girls have lots of temptation. Taking them exclusive can be expensive and difficult, easier with older, less attractive ones.

    Given the corrupt, abusive and violent environment the girls grow up with in Mexico, it would be very difficult for them to trust and have stable, happy, loyal long term relationships with guys. But as far as bar girls go, Mexican girls are still more straight, fair and reasonable with guys compared to bar girls in other countries, kike the US, where bar girls are far more greedy, manipulative, shameless and ruthless.

    But may be some guys can still find girls compatible with their life styles and are willing to spend time, money, efforts to manage happy LTRs. A few of my wingmen have gotten sort of open LTRs with HK girls, BB GFEs every time, TLNs, sometimes without money, but the girls are not top-tiered, still working in the bar, screwing guys every night. Don't know how many guys they have LTRs with. It makes little sense for these guys, who speak no Spanish, communicate only by grunts and gestures, to spend big money to stay all night in the cramped hotel room with one girl, popping once or twice, when they can flirt with, have fun, get hard ONS and potentially pop a few more girls among the 100 hot ones in the club. But some guys just love the pride of ownership hehe.

    Short term, medium term, long term relationships all have their different advantages and costs. Let us know what, how much and with whom you can get your sexy funs.

    I realize there are exceptions to every concept but I think people wanting a relationship with a sex worker should think hard about what they are expecting.

    First consider what you actually want from the sex worker. I am not talking about listing a bunch of things to the public to be viewed on by the public and public judgment. Sit down and make a private list to yourself about what you expect. What is mandatory and what is something you can be flexible about.

    Then make a list of what you are willing to offer. What is your limitations.

    OK start there.

    Now consider this. Any sex worker relationship will probably start with the exchange of money. This means it is a business relationship. Now unless the girl is rich and doing this for fun she will always be needing money and will always look at you as a source of revenue. There are implications to this and what it means and it can vary from relationship to relationship. Now compare the concepts of this business relationship with the above list of expectations.

    I have had a lot of fun short term relationships with sex workers. The problems have always come when I expected it to be something more than a short term relationship. Now all these have been USA sex workers. While Zona girls are definitely different in some ways they also need money and will also always see the guy as a source of revenue.

    While I would like to add more of my knowledge like I said early my experience is with USA sex workers. There is definitely something different about Zona girls. I started the process of long distance relationships with some of the girls but nothing has gotten too much further than repeat customers with good service. If I lived in San Diego maybe I would have more data to add. Not sure if that matters because I can tell you in the USA Sex Worker concept having job is a obstacle to having a personal relationship with a USA sex worker. It helps further the business relationship though.

    My current opinion in general on personal medium or long term relationships with girls under 30 is very difficult no matter what they do. Add in sex worker and the guy is a source of revenue and it becomes more complicated. There are actually girls in HK who I follow on facebook and I can tell you they know they are difficult to their relationship partners LOL.

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