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  1. #2241
    Quote Originally Posted by ActionJacks220  [View Original Post]
    Planning on taking a little day trip down to zona norte sometime.

    Next month. I'm going down with a friend. I'm black and my friend is chinese. We're obviously going to stick out like sore thumbs.

    We plan on making it into Tijuana by 1-2 pm, thinking about checking out HK and NBelite spa.

    Are we going to run into some trouble? Both of us don't habla.
    Yes, you will kind of stick out on both sides of the border. Black guy and Chinese guy together. Don't know if you guys will run into additional scrutiny by Tijuana cops or CBP coming back. Tijuana cops will find any excuse to detain and search for a mordida, uhhh, I mean drugs. Forget about NBelite. Overpriced and it sucks. At 2 pm HK will be the only game in town. Probably won't run into trouble. Just maybe the cops. Just don't talk to any males on the street. And don't let the meseros talk you into anything.

  2. #2240

    Running into Trouble?

    Quote Originally Posted by ActionJacks220  [View Original Post]
    thinking about checking out HK and NBelite spa.
    I don't know much about NBelite, but I can answer with respect to HK.

    Quote Originally Posted by ActionJacks220  [View Original Post]
    I'm black and my friend is chinese. We're obviously going to stick out like sore thumbs.
    Not so much. I see Black and Asian guys in HK all the time. They sometimes even talk to each other. (grin).

    Quote Originally Posted by ActionJacks220  [View Original Post]
    Are we going to run into some trouble?
    What kind of trouble are you worried about? As long as you stay in the area around HK, and don't get too drunk, and are reasonably respectful towards everyone, you should do fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by ActionJacks220  [View Original Post]
    Both of us don't habla.
    In HK, most of the waiters and the girls speak enough English to get the job done. But be sure to have something like Google Translate on your smartphone.

    When are you going? Maybe you can connect with some of the regulars.

  3. #2239

    A little day trip to ZN

    Planning on taking a little day trip down to zona norte sometime.

    Next month. I'm going down with a friend. I'm black and my friend is chinese. We're obviously going to stick out like sore thumbs.

    We plan on making it into Tijuana by 1-2 pm, thinking about checking out HK and NBelite spa.

    Are we going to run into some trouble? Both of us don't habla.

  4. #2238
    Before the gang members had a agreement to avoid fighting in the tourist areas. But apparently they no longer care. Hopefully this trend does not spread to the Zona.

    Quote Originally Posted by Travv  [View Original Post]
    MEXICO is experiencing its worst ever murder rate with 94 killings each day amid a massive surge in violence between cartels.

    The number of homicides has rocketed over the past four years with more than 3,000 people slaughtered in June alone and over 17,000 in the first six months of this year.

    If the current trend continues 2019 will beat the previous year's record of 33,341 murders, which was 33 per cent more than three years ago. Crime levels are so dire the government has called the army in.

    Compare this to the total recorded last year in the UK, which has half Mexico's population but only has 726 murder victims. In Cancun alone there was 540 murders last year which shot up from 205 killings in 2017 . . . ".

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/944606...ings-each-day/

    Might want to avoid Cancun this year.

  5. #2237
    Quote Originally Posted by Jackie888  [View Original Post]
    Do we have a similar press for Tijuana? It's difficult to use a generalization as a safety guide for the Zona Norte.
    I believe I googled "Murder rate in Tijuana", and this article from March popped-up up: https://www.kqed.org/news/11735361/i...-homicide-rate.

    Excerpts from the article are as follows:

    Article Title: In Tijuana, Police Grapple With World's Worst Homicide Rate.

    "The conflict zone starts here," said Rodrguez, on an evening patrol in mid-March. "This whole area: Snchez Taboada, Reforma, Camino Verde. This is where the killings happen. ".

    Tijuana was declared the most violent city in the world this month, by Mexico's Citizens' Council for Public Safety and Criminal Justice, which lists the Top 50 cities with the highest number of homicides per capita.

    At the core of the violence is the drug trade, and the fight for turf.

    State and local police investigate a murder in Tijuana on March 10,2019. Drug gang rivalries led to more than 2. 500 homicides last year, making Tijuana the murder capital of the world. (Tyche Hendricks / KQED).

    As dusk fell on the steep hills and canyons of Tijuana, a unit of the Baja California State Preventive Police cruised through one of the city's toughest neighborhoods, in the south-central part of the city.

    In a bulletproof vest with a small icon of a skull on the chest, Officer Manuel Martnez drove down a gritty avenue in the first of the unit's two reinforced pickup trucks. His partner, Officer Alfredo Rodrguez, conferred with a dispatcher over the crackling radio. Then he gestured out the window at the side streets.

    "The conflict zone starts here," said Rodrguez, on an evening patrol in mid-March. "This whole area: Snchez Taboada, Reforma, Camino Verde. This is where the killings happen."

    Tijuana was declared the most violent city in the world this month, by Mexico's Citizens' Council for Public Safety and Criminal Justice, which lists the Top 50 cities with the highest number of homicides per capita.

    This fast-growing border city suffered 2,519 homicides in 2018. That's 40 percent more than in 2017, which was already a record-breaking year. And it's almost three times as many killings as in the worst previous spike of violence Tijuana suffered between 2008 and 2010.

    At the core of the violence is the drug trade, and the fight for turf.

    That's the war we have now, where drug dealers are killing each other over street corners.'

    Officer Alfredo Rodrguez, Baja California State Preventive Police.

    Over the past dozen years, organized crime groups such as the Sinaloa Cartel and the Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generaciand have vied for control of Tijuana, making alliances with remaining factions of the once-dominant Arellano-Flix Cartel, and then fragmenting, re-forming and battling each other, according to police and criminal justice experts.

    "There's a mix now: There are Michoacanos allied with Sinaloenses, and Guadalajaras with Sinaloenses," said Rodrguez. "They're fighting with each other and fighting amongst themselves."

    Situated on the border with the United States, Tijuana has always been a prize for smugglers. But in the past decade or so, a new market has emerged.

    "There are two lucrative sources," said Rodrguez, as the truck bounced up a rutted street. "One is to control the plaza (marketplace for drugs), to cross drugs to the United States. And the other is the local market. ".

    'When the bosses are fighting each other and the big powerful mafia-type organizations are at war, it's not clear who's in charge at the street level. So you see more low-level criminal actors running around and fighting each other, literally for street corners.'

    Professor David Shirk, an expert on criminal justice in Mexico.

    In distressed neighborhoods like Snchez Taboada, drug dealers can make a fortune selling crystal meth on street corners, out of mom-and-pop convenience stores, and the parking lots behind local bars, he said.

    "In just one Tijuana neighborhood there are 30 or 40 points of sale, and they produce $30,000 or $40,000 a day. That's just in one neighborhood, and there are hundreds all over the city," said Rodrguez. "So that's the war we have now, where drug dealers are killing each other over street corners."

  6. #2236
    Quote Originally Posted by Travv  [View Original Post]
    MEXICO is experiencing its worst ever murder rate with 94 killings each day amid a massive surge in violence between cartels.

    The number of homicides has rocketed over the past four years with more than 3,000 people slaughtered in June alone and over 17,000 in the first six months of this year.

    If the current trend continues 2019 will beat the previous year's record of 33,341 murders, which was 33 per cent more than three years ago. Crime levels are so dire the government has called the army in.

    Compare this to the total recorded last year in the UK, which has half Mexico's population but only has 726 murder victims. In Cancun alone there was 540 murders last year which shot up from 205 killings in 2017 . . . ".

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/944606...ings-each-day/

    Might want to avoid Cancun this year.
    Any tourist among the murdered?

  7. #2235
    Quote Originally Posted by Travv  [View Original Post]
    MEXICO is experiencing its worst ever murder rate with 94 killings each day amid a massive surge in violence between cartels.

    The number of homicides has rocketed over the past four years with more than 3,000 people slaughtered in June alone and over 17,000 in the first six months of this year.

    If the current trend continues 2019 will beat the previous year's record of 33,341 murders, which was 33 per cent more than three years ago. Crime levels are so dire the government has called the army in.

    Compare this to the total recorded last year in the UK, which has half Mexico's population but only has 726 murder victims. In Cancun alone there was 540 murders last year which shot up from 205 killings in 2017 . . . ".

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/944606...ings-each-day/

    Might want to avoid Cancun this year.
    Do we have a similar press for Tijuana? It's difficult to use a generalization as a safety guide for the Zona Norte.

  8. #2234

    Mexico murder bloodbath spirals out of control reaching all-time high

    MEXICO is experiencing its worst ever murder rate with 94 killings each day amid a massive surge in violence between cartels.

    The number of homicides has rocketed over the past four years with more than 3,000 people slaughtered in June alone and over 17,000 in the first six months of this year.

    If the current trend continues 2019 will beat the previous year's record of 33,341 murders, which was 33 per cent more than three years ago. Crime levels are so dire the government has called the army in.

    Compare this to the total recorded last year in the UK, which has half Mexico's population but only has 726 murder victims. In Cancun alone there was 540 murders last year which shot up from 205 killings in 2017 . . . ".

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/944606...ings-each-day/

    Might want to avoid Cancun this year.

  9. #2233
    Quote Originally Posted by Travv  [View Original Post]
    Saw a new chica dancing today in HK. After the dance, she went over to some guys, talked for a minute or two, then walked off. She came over to me, I bought her a drink and chatted. She was from Sinaloa and didn't seem to like Tijuana too much. Wanted to go arriba and said $100. Told her I only had pesos, so she then wanted 1800 pesos. I told her 1500 and that others were taking much less, but she wouldn't budge, so I walked off. I wonder if the regular HK chicas are telling the newbies to demand a high price to limit competition by pricing the newbies out of the market.
    I think The management is telling new girls to ask $100 for arriba.

  10. #2232
    Quote Originally Posted by Travv  [View Original Post]
    Saw a new chica dancing today in HK. After the dance, she went over to some guys, talked for a minute or two, then walked off. She came over to me, I bought her a drink and chatted. She was from Sinaloa and didn't seem to like Tijuana too much. Wanted to go arriba and said $100. Told her I only had pesos, so she then wanted 1800 pesos. I told her 1500 and that others were taking much less, but she wouldn't budge, so I walked off. I wonder if the regular HK chicas are telling the newbies to demand a high price to limit competition by pricing the newbies out of the market.
    The girls talk, for sure. I'm sure there's some sort of conspiracy to keep prices high. But, as you did, walking away is the best defense. I've found talking and negotiating in Spanish helps, but it's not a magic bullet.

    Frankly, I think a lot of times the girls just don't want to go arriba, for whatever reason. If you're just out to make a living, as opposed to making a ton (relatively speaking) of money, you will survive on lap dances and fichas, with the occasional arriba thrown in. If it's not a priority to them, they'll pick and choose until they find a sucker who will go $100+.

  11. #2231
    Quote Originally Posted by Travv  [View Original Post]
    Saw a new chica dancing today in HK. After the dance, she went over to some guys, talked for a minute or two, then walked off. She came over to me, I bought her a drink and chatted. She was from Sinaloa and didn't seem to like Tijuana too much. Wanted to go arriba and said $100. Told her I only had pesos, so she then wanted 1800 pesos. I told her 1500 and that others were taking much less, but she wouldn't budge, so I walked off. I wonder if the regular HK chicas are telling the newbies to demand a high price to limit competition by pricing the newbies out of the market.
    When they say $100, I usually just walk away, if they counter I will go back otherwise just move on.

  12. #2230

    Demand today for $100 by new chica in HK.

    Saw a new chica dancing today in HK. After the dance, she went over to some guys, talked for a minute or two, then walked off. She came over to me, I bought her a drink and chatted. She was from Sinaloa and didn't seem to like Tijuana too much. Wanted to go arriba and said $100. Told her I only had pesos, so she then wanted 1800 pesos. I told her 1500 and that others were taking much less, but she wouldn't budge, so I walked off. I wonder if the regular HK chicas are telling the newbies to demand a high price to limit competition by pricing the newbies out of the market.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phordphan  [View Original Post]
    Nobody is holding a gun to your head. There are other bars in Tijuana. There is maybe a shitton of independent chicas all over town. The only way prices will come down is if pendejos stop paying stupid money for quickies.

  13. #2229
    Quote Originally Posted by Jackie888  [View Original Post]
    Trump has my vote if he can get the HK Chica Cartel to lower their prices back to $60. $80 is 25% more that the Adelitas price of $60. Really outrageous behavior.
    Nobody is holding a gun to your head. There are other bars in Tijuana. There is maybe a shitton of independent chicas all over town. The only way prices will come down is if pendejos stop paying stupid money for quickies.

  14. #2228
    Quote Originally Posted by StRobert  [View Original Post]
    "March of Unity" today in Tijuana at 5:00 pm (downtown) with important political figures from Mexico. On Saturday, in the city of Tijuana anticipated traffic obstructions and increased security link https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-...tijuana-june-8.
    Trump has my vote if he can get the HK Chica Cartel to lower their prices back to $60. $80 is 25% more that the Adelitas price of $60. Really outrageous behavior.

  15. #2227

    Saturday 5 PM "March of Unity" Tijuana

    "March of Unity" today in Tijuana at 5:00 pm (downtown) with important political figures from Mexico. On Saturday, in the city of Tijuana anticipated traffic obstructions and increased security link https://www.garda.com/crisis24/news-...tijuana-june-8.

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