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  1. #2436
    Good points all around Jackie.

    Just curious though, you said Zone North is high crimes area. But why? You said drugs, but who is buying the drugs, locals? If prostitution is legal in those areas and the owners of Hong Kong, adels, etc. Are mafia with policia connections, why do they still shake down tourist / mongers like us? If anything, you would think the owners of Hong Kong would tell polica to leave their customers alone!

    Also, if its gang crime, why are they committing these crimes in the Zone North, so close to US border. Why not bugger off somewhere else?

    Me think these mafia / cartles would make more money if they agreed NOT to harass tourists in Zone North.

    Just a thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackie888  [View Original Post]
    I'm unsure that Mexican police can stop someone without a reason. I think they still need some sort of reasonable suspicion of a crime is about to happen and you are a perp. But in a high crime area like the Zona Norte, the standard is lowered allowing LEO to better police crime. It's no different than here in the USA. The police in Compton needs a far lesser reason to stop someone than the police in Beverly Hills.

    Back to the Zona, I avoid where the street drug dealers do business. One can spot these guys because they are constantly yelling "quarter" throughout the night, often within sight of a paid off cop. If you were to talk to these guys or stand next to them, you will look like you are buying drugs. It means two things to a cop. He has cause to lawfully stop and search you, and you are carrying a decent amount of cash for drugs.

    Therefore avoid these drug-dealers if you want to avoid a shakedown. BTW these drug dealers operate out of a specific location / hotel. They do wander all over. They stay in their territory so they are easily avoided.

    Stay safe.

  2. #2435
    I'm unsure that Mexican police can stop someone without a reason. I think they still need some sort of reasonable suspicion of a crime is about to happen and you are a perp. But in a high crime area like the Zona Norte, the standard is lowered allowing LEO to better police crime. It's no different than here in the USA. The police in Compton needs a far lesser reason to stop someone than the police in Beverly Hills.

    Back to the Zona, I avoid where the street drug dealers do business. One can spot these guys because they are constantly yelling "quarter" throughout the night, often within sight of a paid off cop. If you were to talk to these guys or stand next to them, you will look like you are buying drugs. It means two things to a cop. He has cause to lawfully stop and search you, and you are carrying a decent amount of cash for drugs.

    Therefore avoid these drug-dealers if you want to avoid a shakedown. BTW these drug dealers operate out of a specific location / hotel. They do wander all over. They stay in their territory so they are easily avoided.

    Stay safe.

  3. #2434

    Increase in security CBP / Tijuana. Day Time

    Day time only.

  4. #2433

    SENTRI 15 minute backlog Peast

    What is going on?

  5. #2432
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogers69  [View Original Post]
    I've seen crazy things happen in the alley, from people getting knocked out cold one punch, cops tazering naked man, a cop dragging a guy out of a bar and fighting him 10 feet from me while I was to drunk to take off so I stayed and watched. You always have the quientos guys, cops often grabbed me and pat me down when walking near them. You could end up with a chick who is having a bad moment in her life, and lies about $$, or says you hit her, a girl smacked me in head in hk last week. But, biggest concern, is drunks in bars looking for fights. I had a guy in hk last year tell me he wanted to cut my head off, after I had sat down next to him at the bar by front door. He said he was going to call his friends. I left for adelitas and another gringo said he had same problem with the guy. Few other times drunk gringos, have walked in bar, or just walked past me, seen me, and jumped in my face like they were ready to fight, or thought they knew me and were just acting crazy, one guy in hk last week was like 6'3 and just kept bouncing around slamming his fist I to his hand and acting like he wanted to fight me since the liquor does make some people want to fight. I have had a few woman friends who want to fight everyone after 2 beers. So yeah, eventually, if you keep going to bars particularly, in any country, you will probably see some stuff.
    You really want to be sure to avoid going into Hong Kong Bar on the day of the month when all the bar chicas start their periods in sync.

  6. #2431
    At first, I'd think someone is paranoid to be worried about mexican lawers but its actually probably a good idea. If you get into a car accident you may need it. And if you keep going to mexico it's not far fetched to think something eventually can happen. I've seen crazy things happen in the alley, from people getting knocked out cold one punch, cops tazering naked man, a cop dragging a guy out of a bar and fighting him 10 feet from me while I was to drunk to take off so I stayed and watched. You always have the quientos guys, cops often grabbed me and pat me down when walking near them. You could end up with a chick who is having a bad moment in her life, and lies about $$, or says you hit her, a girl smacked me in head in hk last week. But, biggest concern, is drunks in bars looking for fights. I had a guy in hk last year tell me he wanted to cut my head off, after I had sat down next to him at the bar by front door. He said he was going to call his friends. I left for adelitas and another gringo said he had same problem with the guy. Few other times drunk gringos, have walked in bar, or just walked past me, seen me, and jumped in my face like they were ready to fight, or thought they knew me and were just acting crazy, one guy in hk last week was like 6'3 and just kept bouncing around slamming his fist I to his hand and acting like he wanted to fight me since the liquor does make some people want to fight. I have had a few woman friends who want to fight everyone after 2 beers. So yeah, eventually, if you keep going to bars particularly, in any country, you will probably see some stuff.

  7. #2430
    Thanks Baxter. I have heard that if your not doing something stupid that your chances of getting harassed is much less. But also heard of crazy shit happening to people but these are the exceptions. A Mexican guy at work got hauled to jail for having beer outside on the street. Now. Maybe he was drunk and a dick. Not sure but he did have to get bailed out of jail at 3 am.

    Goyo.

    Quote Originally Posted by BaxterSlade  [View Original Post]
    The closest I ever came to a Tijuana jail was after the GF got in a bar fight and I went to bail her out. First I had to go to the zona norte station. Thats where she saw the judge and they charged her. I could have bailed her out there, but the cops said I would be better off waiting until she got transfered to the main jail. They explained she spit at the judge and if I bailed her out there it would cost a lot more than waiting.

    I went over to the main jail on Via Rapido and waited and waited about an hour and a half. She was finally brought there once she was there it did not take long at all to get her out. It cost around $75. I just don't remember if they let her keep her cell phone on her, but I'm guessing not since I had tried to reach her and there was no answer.

  8. #2429
    The closest I ever came to a Tijuana jail was after the GF got in a bar fight and I went to bail her out. First I had to go to the zona norte station. Thats where she saw the judge and they charged her. I could have bailed her out there, but the cops said I would be better off waiting until she got transfered to the main jail. They explained she spit at the judge and if I bailed her out there it would cost a lot more than waiting.

    I went over to the main jail on Via Rapido and waited and waited about an hour and a half. She was finally brought there once she was there it did not take long at all to get her out. It cost around $75. I just don't remember if they let her keep her cell phone on her, but I'm guessing not since I had tried to reach her and there was no answer.

  9. #2428
    Yea. Not sure anyone would chime in but perhaps it's also because it does not happen very often. More the intimidation to get money out of you.

    Thanks for the perspective. Good to know.

    Goyo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phordphan  [View Original Post]
    This will be interesting, assuming you get any responses.

    In all the years of going to Tijuana I can recall only one person recounting his experience getting jailed. IIRC it was just for the evening. That's been some years ago.

    The cops are not interested in jailing anybody, unless you are being a complete asshole / violent / whatever. They can't be constantly traipsing before a judge with some innocent gringo in tow. That does not look good for the cop. The (bad) cops want to intimidate you into caving in and giving them money. If you don't play along, if you resist giving in, don't act intimidated, etc. , then they will usually move on to easier game.

  10. #2427
    Quote Originally Posted by Goyo61  [View Original Post]
    I hear of other peoples experiences with police but curious what the process between the time they stop you and you get out of jail.

    1. has anyone been arrested.

    2. how long did you have to wait?

    3. Did they take your wallet, phone and check all your pockets like they would in the USA?

    4. How did they release you?

    5. What did you have to pay?

    6. Did they allow you to keep your phone to make phone calls?

    It's just better to know what actually happens so we can know what to expect and what we can do to minimize the bad experience.

    Goyo.
    This will be interesting, assuming you get any responses.

    In all the years of going to Tijuana I can recall only one person recounting his experience getting jailed. IIRC it was just for the evening. That's been some years ago.

    The cops are not interested in jailing anybody, unless you are being a complete asshole / violent / whatever. They can't be constantly traipsing before a judge with some innocent gringo in tow. That does not look good for the cop. The (bad) cops want to intimidate you into caving in and giving them money. If you don't play along, if you resist giving in, don't act intimidated, etc. , then they will usually move on to easier game.

  11. #2426

    Jail and Police.

    I hear of other peoples experiences with police but curious what the process between the time they stop you and you get out of jail.

    1. has anyone been arrested.

    2. how long did you have to wait?

    3. Did they take your wallet, phone and check all your pockets like they would in the USA?

    4. How did they release you?

    5. What did you have to pay?

    6. Did they allow you to keep your phone to make phone calls?

    It's just better to know what actually happens so we can know what to expect and what we can do to minimize the bad experience.

    Goyo.

  12. #2425
    This seems like a hit job rather than random gang violence.

    (https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...tijuana-ambush).

    Quote Originally Posted by BaxterSlade  [View Original Post]
    An unconfirmed report stated the guy shot in the chinese restaraunt was*an off duty cop.

    And then there was this the*other day.

    Officer was shot in*the head and did not survive his injuries.

    TIJUANA**.

    *.

    Gunmen opened fire on a group of Baja California state police officers who'the stopped for a late-night meal at a food truck in Tijuana Wednesday, killing one officer and wounding five others.

    The shooting in the Benton neighborhood also killed the food truck vendor, who sold hot dogs, according to the state Attorney General's Office.

    And then today the GF sent me this. The translation might not be 100% but a banner was found hanging on Ave Revolucion threatening police.

    Many drug traffickers leave a narcomanta in revolution threatening the central state state police, they are not going to stop or tempt their hearts to shoot, so it is better not to come to Tijuana because it is going to get ugly in in Centro*🚓128659;128659;128299;.

    So it looks like Tijuana is on track to maintain there ranking as the most dangerous city in the world. And keep in mind if you find yourself in close proximety to a cop you are about as safe as standing next to a cuantos guy.

    This is not an attempt to thin out the weekend crowds HK attracts. But just info to make you guys aware of what is going on in Tijuana.

  13. #2424

    Wednesday in Tijuana

    An unconfirmed report stated the guy shot in the chinese restaraunt was*an off duty cop.

    And then there was this the*other day.

    Officer was shot in*the head and did not survive his injuries.

    TIJUANA**.

    *.

    Gunmen opened fire on a group of Baja California state police officers who'the stopped for a late-night meal at a food truck in Tijuana Wednesday, killing one officer and wounding five others.

    The shooting in the Benton neighborhood also killed the food truck vendor, who sold hot dogs, according to the state Attorney General's Office.

    And then today the GF sent me this. The translation might not be 100% but a banner was found hanging on Ave Revolucion threatening police.

    Many drug traffickers leave a narcomanta in revolution threatening the central state state police, they are not going to stop or tempt their hearts to shoot, so it is better not to come to Tijuana because it is going to get ugly in in Centro*🚓128659;128659;128299;.

    So it looks like Tijuana is on track to maintain there ranking as the most dangerous city in the world. And keep in mind if you find yourself in close proximety to a cop you are about as safe as standing next to a cuantos guy.

    This is not an attempt to thin out the weekend crowds HK attracts. But just info to make you guys aware of what is going on in Tijuana.

  14. #2423

    Welcome to Tijuana

    We had just finished *dining in Caho on Monday afternoon. We decided to walk back to Centro* as we approached this chinese restaruant we noticed employees running out the door and up the side street**At the time we never thought it was anything major. We pretty much believed it was a dine and dash, but we could not see that they were chasing anyone. Then a car left the parking lot at high speed but assumed it was an employee joining in the chase. Later we discovered it was a hit someone walked in and put 4 bullets in a customer. In hindsight**it was probably the employees running for there lives and the killer leaving in the car.

    A minute later we spotted two**state police trucks driving by and tried to flag them down. The first one ignored us the 2nd one saw*where we were pointing and turned down the street. He got about 20 feet up the block and someone who was hiding between the cars ran in front of him and stopped* him. He might have thought the shooter was still there because he took cover. And within the next minute the cops were everywhere.

    These type of hits seem to happen quite frequently in restaruants. Remember it is very common for narco and mafia types to never*sit with there back to the door.

  15. #2422

    Avoid "Cuantos Cuantos" Bullet magnets. . .

    The cuantos guys are working for a cartel. This angers the other cartels who are competing to sell drugs, so they send guys to shoot the competitor's cuantos guys. If you are around when the cuantos guys are being shot at, well, bullets can go anywhere. Best to avoid the cuantos dudes since they are bullet magnets. Good advice below "So get away from them". They attract bullets, as well as policia wanting bribes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackie888  [View Original Post]
    I want to add that we should also avoid the well know street drug-dealers. These are the guys or girls yelling "Quatar" in public, usually out of a small hallway. While they have paid their police tax to avoid arrest, you have not. If you are next to a drug dealer while he is advertising his drugs, it is Probable Cause for a police stop and search. So get away from them.

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