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  1. #7056

    My two cents

    Quote Originally Posted by Sxmbound  [View Original Post]
    I've been running to the Caribbean in search of chicas for more almost 40 years. Started out in Santo Domingo, and had to give that up 10 years ago because of safety concerns. As Mongers, we are sometimes impulsive and get carried away, taking risks which are unnecessary and often reckless. ClubTed is 100% right and we should always be prepared to give up what we have, and more importantly, always prepared to have something to give. We fail to understand the mentality of desperate people who live desperate lives. We all have families, careers, and certainly, have discretionary and disposable income. We have no issue paying for girls, restaurants, hotels and airfare.

    These people have nothing, and have zero to little value for human life. Shooting someone for a few dollars is barely a second thought. And yet, we sometimes place ourselves in the reckless position of traveling alone at night, loaded with cash, watches and jewelry.

    Walking alone in SXM is reckless. There are still many, post hurricane, desperate people. Even the short walk from your parked car to the entrance in Carolina's is reckless. I have personally been harassed, walking from the entrance, to the adjacent sports field. The taxi drivers, coke dealers, and normal cast of characters which loiter the entrance will offer little support. Always swearing I'll never go alone again, only failing to heed my own advice. Same with the nighttime walks from Chesterfields in Aruba to the G Spot. Towards the end of the block. They too have have had shootings. Santo Domingo is even worse. Evan a short nighttime walk around the Marriott Jaragua or Crown Plaza is dangerous.

    I don't understand why I place myself in these positions, and yet, I believe, many of do. This most recent shooting in SXM occurred in a super busy tourist area. If it can happen there, it can certainly happen near El Capitan, Defiance and Carolina's.

    We should always think with our heads and try to never Monger alone.
    I have mongered alone in St. Maarten many times. Afternoon and night. Never a problem until my last couple of trips. I wrote previously about the gang of teenagers that attempted to harrass me as I walked to my car beyond the Carolina parking lot on the right side of the building late one night (a new road and housing development in that area). And last time, when I was at Empire and confronted with "attitude" trying to exit the club. Also late. Having been to all of these clubs many times, I have drawn the conclusion that I should monger only in the daytime or early evening. I have ruled out going to Sunset Retreat or Casablanca because of remoteness and no daytime activity. I have not ruled out going to Empire entirely, but a definite no on Fri-Sat-Sun nights. Talk to the girls about what nights are calm, and go early. If the parking lot is packed, park outside the arch. If guys are loitering in the parking lot or in front of the doors, don't go in. I am neutral on Petite Chateau at this point. A dark parking lot, but I don't recall trouble there. But the girls there are usually not to my taste, so no big deal. El Capitan, Carolinas and Crystal during the day no problems. At night early, parking usually not a problem. With 50+/- girls between these three clubs, you can decide on a girl, fuck her, have a drink and be out the door in an hour or less. Holds true day or night. I have always done the day-night double header, but at night I will arrive when the clubs first get going around 9 pm Again, I can have my session and out the door by 10. Most trouble comes late at night. Locals start their nights at midnight or later. The locals that used to hang at the clubs were older and never a problem. Had beers with many of them. But in recent years, you are seeing a lot of young, disrespectful locals hanging in or around the clubs. So I think I can still plan to return to St. Maarten with this game plan. However, the disrespectful attitudes, economic hardships, and rising crime does affect the non-club activities as well. And for all the negatives affecting the Dutch side, the French side is worse. The club safety issues are known to me. The other activities around the island and safety going places that used to be non-issues are now issues. All of this has caused me to rethink where to monger this year. I may very well bypass St. Maarten this year. Unfortunately, as others have pointed out, other mongering destinations are seeing upticks in crime and safety concerns.

  2. #7055

    Yepper, that would be a normal day in the clubs

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeCrust  [View Original Post]
    So thanks for the advice....Awesome day. That's my report.
    The walk is not.

  3. #7054

    Carolina's / El Captain / Crystals

    So thanks for the advice. I actually hiked it from downtown PB up Suckergarden. It wasn't bad and since I went just past noon, I felt pretty safe. I got to in front of El Captains and kept going, misreading the previous posts that Carolina's was the first right before El Captains but instead it was past. Walked and ended up at a little market where I bought a water and was going to ask directions however the person behind the counter was a younger staff member or family member. I did not think it was appropriate to ask her. However, across the street there was a little hair salon. I noticed a motorcycle parked there so I ask the owner of the bike we're Carolinas was. He said it's about 5 minutes away drive. Offered to give me a ride so I jumped on the bike. He got me there no problem and didn't want a cent but I have him $5 anyways.

    I went into Carolina's and was immediately approached by an very well proportioned Columbian. A bit older but was right in me. After the walk, I just wanted a beer. So I bought one and surveyed the bar. Lots of cruise ship staff for sure, about 8 chicas. Finished my beer and went across to Crystals. Ordered another beer. Surveyed the action and there were about 6 free girls. Again, nothing that I thought would interest me. Finished the beer and went back to Carolina's. While drinking my 3rd beer of the day I noticed two chicas coming from the back. Bother we're quite nice and shot one a smile. She came over and I bought her a drink as well. Chatted for a bit. She was 31 yo and nicely proportioned with a really pretty face and smile. Asked her the price and she said $50 for her and $10 for the room and so I agreed. The forum info was bang on.

    The walk to the room was surreal. There's like an back room where the girls keep their kits and it seemed to me like walking into an Indian family hotel lobby. Weird.

    So my time was with Lily, 31, from Columbia. Maybe 5'5", 120 lbs, nice see cups and honestly, a very sweet face. Gave me a cat bath then a CBJ before CG to completion. Lots of eye contact and just a nice time. Offered me a nice message to fill out the time. This girl is a keeper. YMMV but for $60 all in IMO, you can't get better. Other observations, the drinks were cheap. Lady drink and my beer for $10. Nice value.

    Took a $3 ride offer to El Captain. Spent maybe 20 minutes talking to a beautiful black columbian. She said she was 23, could speak French so I was was confused. But she was nice and very flirty. For her johnny walker black and my beer I paid $10. Cheap again. She got a drink ticket (same at Carolina's) for a $1 bonus from the bar. She pulled up her shirt and presented me the perfect ass. Nice the cups. Did a bit of a lap gyro. I said I was too tired to go but I said, keep me company and I slipped her a $20. While talking she gave me little pecs on the cheek, access to those beautiful breasts and gave me a constant cock rub. So it was worth her while for sure and I honestly loved her company. Took a van bus for $2 back to Philiberg.

    Awesome day.

    That's my report.

  4. #7053

    Reckless behavior.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubTed  [View Original Post]
    As DennisMP mentioned in his post titled "Walking" a tourist was shot and killed last week in the Beacon Hill / Maho Bay area.
    I've been running to the Caribbean in search of chicas for more almost 40 years. Started out in Santo Domingo, and had to give that up 10 years ago because of safety concerns. As Mongers, we are sometimes impulsive and get carried away, taking risks which are unnecessary and often reckless. ClubTed is 100% right and we should always be prepared to give up what we have, and more importantly, always prepared to have something to give. We fail to understand the mentality of desperate people who live desperate lives. We all have families, careers, and certainly, have discretionary and disposable income. We have no issue paying for girls, restaurants, hotels and airfare.

    These people have nothing, and have zero to little value for human life. Shooting someone for a few dollars is barely a second thought. And yet, we sometimes place ourselves in the reckless position of traveling alone at night, loaded with cash, watches and jewelry.

    Walking alone in SXM is reckless. There are still many, post hurricane, desperate people. Even the short walk from your parked car to the entrance in Carolina's is reckless. I have personally been harassed, walking from the entrance, to the adjacent sports field. The taxi drivers, coke dealers, and normal cast of characters which loiter the entrance will offer little support. Always swearing I'll never go alone again, only failing to heed my own advice. Same with the nighttime walks from Chesterfields in Aruba to the G Spot. Towards the end of the block. They too have have had shootings. Santo Domingo is even worse. Evan a short nighttime walk around the Marriott Jaragua or Crown Plaza is dangerous.

    I don't understand why I place myself in these positions, and yet, I believe, many of do. This most recent shooting in SXM occurred in a super busy tourist area. If it can happen there, it can certainly happen near El Capitan, Defiance and Carolina's.

    We should always think with our heads and try to never Monger alone.

  5. #7052

    Sad news coming out of SXM.

    As DennisMP mentioned in his post titled "Walking" a tourist was shot and killed last week in the Beacon Hill / Maho Bay area. I did some digging. It was a 48 year old Canadian father leaving the Driftwood Bar with his daughter around 11 pm he was shot in the head, taken to St. Maarten Medical Center, and then evacuated to a hospital in Florida, where he died from the gunshot. And as I think Dennis stated, this is a very touristy part of the island, right adjacent to the runway of the airport, a bit past Sunset Beach bar, I do believe. Just when I thought the island was making a recovery from the Hurricane, this event gives SXM a real black eye, more so for tourists than mongers, but nevertheless for all thinking of a tropical getaway. You can google the key words and read some of the press releases coming out of St. Maarten and more details about the crime.

    I always carry a "give up wallet" in my cargo shorts that has some ones and some of those fake cardboard type credit cards that the credit card companies used to send to entice you to sign up. Helps give the wallet some bulk and if shown a gun or knife to your face, you can hand it over with peace of mind! Also, always just carry a copy of your passport with you, and don't worry about carrying your license. The rental car company has seen it already and has given you the approval to drive the car. Leave the bling at home, even if you always wear that favorite gold chain. Get a 10 dollar throw away watch from Walmart before your trip, preferably a black one. Pseudo diver type, that won't shine or stand out.

    Some pretty sick and desperate people out there, and to shoot someone in the head is pretty much as ballsy as you can get. If confronted, always comply and give up what's requested. Even the keys to a rental car aren't worth getting killed over.

  6. #7051

    Carolinas and Defiance (Empire)

    After a short stop in Curacao and campo Alegre I was happy to get back to my fav place Carolinas. I was anxious to see Tatiana (glasses) again. I always like to hang for a few minutes have a drink and check out the scenery. But my friend pushed this chica on me named Luna before I had chance to scoop up 'my" girl. Wasn't a bad thing because this girl probably gave a top three ever Carolinas experience. BBBJ and DFK, rode me like no tomorrow until she nearly passed out and tagged out forcing me to doggy style while she tried to catch her breath LOL. She isn't afraid of anything and will take control, so if you want just sit back and enjoy the ride. She is without a doubt worth a repeat.

    When I come out from room and go to bar to meet my wingman, I start talking to him and the girl on next seat taps my leg, I look over to see Johanna who I haven't seen for over 2 years. I didn't expect to see her ever again, needless to say most of my remaining time was with this one as we have a excellent connection and she'll go above and beyond with me providing all the things you want but never get from a one time chica.

    Saw the famous Angie who came right up to me next night but I had to tell her I was meeting another chica. This really sucked because you never want to miss an opportunity with this woman who is lots of time not available.

    Next night I was held hostage at bar by Tatiana who wasn't going to let me get away, as she had seen my previous escapades. I noticed girls coming from back communicating with each other touching their wrists / watch part of arm. Didn't understand what they were trying to relay to each other until I decided to go back with Tatiana. At the desk Margarite mentioned it was her birthday in 5 minutes, I gave her a $20 tip, she is a good friend and I've known her for years. So walking back to room I get pulled and pushed into Angies room where the chicas are planning a surprise birthday party for Magarite. While they gathered the gifts, balloons and confetti bombs we waited for the clock to strike 12 when they all run to desk and the all the girls from bar came in also. So here I am the only guy surrounded by 18 chicas celebrating this birthday complete with champagne, music and dancing. Lots of pictures being taken, many had me take group photos with their cams, I was tempted to take mine out too, wish I had as they were all very cool to me (helps most of them already know me). A group photo of all the girls working that night would have been priceless.

    After the celebration it was time for Tatiana and I to "relax'. It was obvious she wanted to make the point that she was the ONE girl I needed to be with. Again without the details because YMWV she rocked my world. No matter though this girl is awesome and in my opinion is one of top three in Carolinas at this time.

    Defiance / Empire: Quick report, didn't take any girls here however my wingman did. Forgot name but she can't be missed, slender, black hair and stunning gorgeous. There are 2 other extremely good looking ones there one of which is quite short but built like a brick shithouse. All of them stick out of the crowd of other girls who are unfortunately in the 5/6 range looks and body wise.

    Anxious for my SXM return in a few months.

  7. #7050

    Walking.

    Anyone considering walking to the clubs day or night is a fool, you're just asking for trouble, and it isn't exactly a short walk from the cruise ships. Taxi ride probably won't cost you more than 6 dollars one way.

    Day or night like anywhere be aware of your surroundings, don't carry a lot of cash or valuables, and if you get confronted give it up! Tourist got shot in head last week at the "safest" part of the island fighting to save his daughters purse.

  8. #7049

    Walking to the clubs from the cruise ship terminal.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeCrust  [View Original Post]
    So I keep reading about the walk between these clubs is to be avoided. Reviewing the past recent posts the advice is avoid the walk but is that the case during the day as well? I am thinking about a mid-afternoon visit but I do not want to get a rental car. I would be travelling to the clubs from the cruise ship port. I thought I would hike it. I don't mind a cab but I do not want to pay a waiting rate when I am in each club.
    Appreciate your zest for a bit of a walk, but it is. More than a bit of a walk from the cruise ship terminal. And do you really want to arrive sweaty and unappealing at the clubs? Here's some options to consider.

    1) After disembarking from your cruise ship. Follow the crowd, or just the signage to downtown Philipsburg. You will avoid the eager taxi drivers and get to take in some of P'Burg on your way to the boardwalk. Make your way to the square in front of the courthouse and it's loaded with taxi drivers. Strike a deal with a driver saying you want to be dropped off at say 12 noon and picked up at 3:30 pm at the same point. Agree on the price, and pay at the end. It's been done many times before. You won't pay any waiting rate. The driver will have plenty of time to do other fares. If you were to get stuck, there are plenty of local guys hanging out in front of Carolinas that would get you back to the cruise ship.

    2) If you do decide to walk, you would end up on Juancho Yranusquin Blvd exiting the cruise ship port and hang a left heading inland. This road becomes Suckergarden Road and will take you to El Capitan. The club will be on your left, with high walls, after you travel by the Salt Pond and traverse Arch Road.

    3) From El Capitan to Carolina's you head back towards the cruise ship and bang a right onto Arch Road. Walk toward the first main intersection that has a market on the corner and hang a left onto Soualiga Road. Carolina's and Crystals will be maybe 100 yards down.

    The previous danger that lurked on the island was related to those that wanted to walk between Carolinas and the former Hypnotique Club, that offered a strong lineup of Colombianas, second only to Carolinas. Unsuspecting tourists would walk up the road and take a shortcut path through a vacant lot with grass the height of cornstalks. Locals would hide in the brush and rob tourists of jewelry, cash, and anything they could get there hands on. At not knife point, but machete point. I remember seeing the entrance to the path in the parking lot of Hypnotique while parking and seeing many local "utes" coming ang going from it. It would provide a shortcut to El Capitan as well, but do not do it.

    4) Your other approach to the clubs on foot is to make it to Philipsburgh and then head out where the Salt Pickers roundabout is and head up Soualiga Road onto Pond Island, passing St. Maarten University and the baseball field. Then this area becomes sort of a wasteland with trailer park housing, junkyards and the unpleasant side of the waste of SXM. But LE Petite Chateau will be on your left. Or whatever they call it these days.

    Bottom line, do yourself a favor and take a taxi or hook up with one of the crew members and make it to the clubs with him or them. In addition to tourists, you're going to have to compete with cruise ship crew that have liberty and they love to visit Carolinas! And if there are upwards of 6 ships in port, you're in for some tough competition!

  9. #7048

    Lunar Experience.

    Lunar.

    Part of the fun of all of this is checking it out for yourself. You cannot take it to seriously. Most of the girls are awesome, all are pro's and understand that they need to make you happy. Also understand that the good girls are with 2 to 5 guys a day, unless they leave the club and hook up with one guy for the night or for more. Have a great time, relax, keep an open mind, and probably leave the vibrating cock ring at home. We'the love to hear about your experiences.

  10. #7047

    Will look for your very detailed report after visiting

    Quote Originally Posted by LunarLocus  [View Original Post]
    As you probably guessed from my last post, I am very much considering Carolina's seeing has how everyone is recommending it. But I've never been to this island, and there were a few comments about safety which raised an alarm. How sketchy is it outside Carolina's? It sounds like it's unsafe to walk from club to the street to get a taxi. How true is that? It sounds like it's only that way after 1 am.

    Generally, how much would a taxi cost to get around the Dutch portion of the island? Like to and from Simpson Bay?

    As for rates, it's a hundred for an hour, but is there house fees as well? From what I've gathered on here those would only be 5-10 more. Let me know if that's wrong though.

    How likely am I to get multiple orgasms? Your time's not up when you climax once is it? If you pay for an hour you get an hour, so as many orgasms as you make yourself have in that time, right? Also, are they fine if you extend your time?

    How cute are these girls' toes? Speaking of toes, do you think they'll let me suck their toes and go down on them and eat them out if I ask beforehand? How likely are they to refuse or charge more money? Just trying to gauge how much I can get from them. I really enjoy GFEs, so I'd like make sure they know I'm asking for an experience as close to one of those as possible. How easy is negotiation beforehand? I'm thinking about typing out a paragraph in Spanish and having that paper on hand to give them just so I can be 100% clear what I'm asking for. Would that be a good idea?

    How easy is it to get two of these girls to agree to a threeway? Anyone ever successful with something like that before? I probably won't go for one but just want to know my options if I like what I see.

    I'm also considering taking a vibrating cock ring for them to grind on. I think they'll find that quite fun and novel.

    Thanks in advance for answering all these!
    With all of your requested intel and the kindness of those to respond, I hope to see you give back with a very detailed report on your findings and experiences here. As you know, that is how we all learn.

  11. #7046

    Daytime Walk from Carolinas to el Capitan

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeCrust  [View Original Post]
    So I keep reading about the walk between these clubs is to be avoided. Reviewing the past recent posts the advice is avoid the walk but is that the case during the day as well? I am thinking about a mid-afternoon visit but I do not want to get a rental car. I would be travelling to the clubs from the cruise ship port. I thought I would hike it. I don't mind a cab but I do not want to pay a waiting rate when I am in each club.
    I would think that particular walk, during the daytime, would be safe. You'd be on well-traveled streets. Also, Crystals is right across the street from Carolinas, if you're just looking for a second option.

    Definitely stick to the streets. I think the problems people encountered were generally: 1) at night; and 2) taking shortcuts. Especially across the undeveloped area between Carolinas and the old Seamans / Hypnotic club.

    My first trip, I didn't plan to rent a car, but dealing with getting a ride, and paying for it, was kind of a pain. I wound up renting one on my third day. Depending on where you're staying, parking can be a huge issue. Especially someplace safe (for you and the car). That's the biggest challenge with car rental on SXM.

  12. #7045

    El Captains and Carolina

    So I keep reading about the walk between these clubs is to be avoided. Reviewing the past recent posts the advice is avoid the walk but is that the case during the day as well? I am thinking about a mid-afternoon visit but I do not want to get a rental car. I would be travelling to the clubs from the cruise ship port. I thought I would hike it. I don't mind a cab but I do not want to pay a waiting rate when I am in each club.

  13. #7044

    Shrimping!

    Got a chuckle out of Lunar's post! Glad Mel took point and gave the first response! Hey, everyone's got there own kink, and the urban dictionary defines shrimping, as just what Lunar's into. As been said time and time again, go back and read the forum. Renting a car will give you the mobility to hit all the clubs at a much cheaper price then hailing taxis. You are on an island. Virtually impossible to get lost. With a car you can cover 4 clubs relatively close to each other, without leaving the Suckergarden and Salt Pond area.

    Regarding your fetish, anything is possible. But unless you connect with a chica that understands English, you are in for a challenge. You need to know some basic Spanish, and for your request you need to memorize some Spanish sentences that will introduce your request. Some chicas may be into it. Others may ask for more money. If you ask her up front.

    Depending on your game, and the chemistry you have with the chica, some will take a quick shower when you get back to the room. Again, they are into hygiene and cleanliness. This is a good sign. If there is no shower, the chica may just want you in and out. A shower may give you an opportunity to pursue your kink on the slide.

    But if you start at the bottom. Not sure how far you'll make it to the top! LOL. In other words. If you've had her toes in your mouth, that may be it. DATY, and DFK may be off the table. Especially if there was no pre-shower! LOL.

    Your best bet is to find someone you are into and have sessioned with a couple of times and you think has sexy feet! Then spring it on her! Also, you may want to check out the girls in flip flops during the day, vs. The stilettos at night! Standing on your feet all day or night wearing heels can create a sweating situation. In the wrong way! LOL. Lastly, don't forget to bring some foot powder or Desenex! Have fun and good luck!

  14. #7043
    Lunar.

    The fellows that will offer you a ride to Simpson bay are about 10 feet from the front door of Carolinas-Rent a car for $20- a day.
    Unless you flash a lot of cash or act like a total tourist- you should not have any problem at Carolinas, Crystals, or El Capitan around the corner--do not walk around the corner drive.

    Your prices are correct for most chicas, they might ask for more and be worth it.

    How cute are the chicas feet-REALLY?

    You can have as many chicas in the room as you can afford.

    How many leches you can get in an hour depends what you discuss with the chicas.

    I THINK A NOTE WOLD SAY gringo ALL OVER IT.

    The CHICAS ARE RATHER HEALTH AND CLEANLINESS CONSCIOUS, I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD LIKE SOMEONE ELSE'S TOYS.

    These are professional working chicas and will allow you for the most part to go down on them, but if you think you are going to ring their bell, I would doubt it.

    Quote Originally Posted by LunarLocus  [View Original Post]
    As you probably guessed from my last post, I am very much considering Carolina's seeing has how everyone is recommending it. But I've never been to this island, and there were a few comments about safety which raised an alarm. How sketchy is it outside Carolina's? It sounds like it's unsafe to walk from club to the street to get a taxi. How true is that? It sounds like it's only that way after 1 am.

    Generally, how much would a taxi cost to get around the Dutch portion of the island? Like to and from Simpson Bay?

    As for rates, it's a hundred for an hour, but is there house fees as well? From what I've gathered on here those would only be 5-10 more. Let me know if that's wrong though.

    How likely am I to get multiple orgasms? Your time's not up when you climax once is it? If you pay for an hour you get an hour, so as many orgasms as you make yourself have in that time, right? Also, are they fine if you extend your time?

    How cute are these girls' toes? Speaking of toes, do you think they'll let me suck their toes and go down on them and eat them out if I ask beforehand? How likely are they to refuse or charge more money? Just trying to gauge how much I can get from them. I really enjoy GFEs, so I'd like make sure they know I'm asking for an experience as close to one of those as possible. How easy is negotiation beforehand? I'm thinking about typing out a paragraph in Spanish and having that paper on hand to give them just so I can be 100% clear what I'm asking for. Would that be a good idea?

    How easy is it to get two of these girls to agree to a threeway? Anyone ever successful with something like that before? I probably won't go for one but just want to know my options if I like what I see.

    I'm also considering taking a vibrating cock ring for them to grind on. I think they'll find that quite fun and novel.

    Thanks in advance for answering all these!

  15. #7042

    Sorry, More Questions.

    As you probably guessed from my last post, I am very much considering Carolina's seeing has how everyone is recommending it. But I've never been to this island, and there were a few comments about safety which raised an alarm. How sketchy is it outside Carolina's? It sounds like it's unsafe to walk from club to the street to get a taxi. How true is that? It sounds like it's only that way after 1 am.

    Generally, how much would a taxi cost to get around the Dutch portion of the island? Like to and from Simpson Bay?

    As for rates, it's a hundred for an hour, but is there house fees as well? From what I've gathered on here those would only be 5-10 more. Let me know if that's wrong though.

    How likely am I to get multiple orgasms? Your time's not up when you climax once is it? If you pay for an hour you get an hour, so as many orgasms as you make yourself have in that time, right? Also, are they fine if you extend your time?

    How cute are these girls' toes? Speaking of toes, do you think they'll let me suck their toes and go down on them and eat them out if I ask beforehand? How likely are they to refuse or charge more money? Just trying to gauge how much I can get from them. I really enjoy GFEs, so I'd like make sure they know I'm asking for an experience as close to one of those as possible. How easy is negotiation beforehand? I'm thinking about typing out a paragraph in Spanish and having that paper on hand to give them just so I can be 100% clear what I'm asking for. Would that be a good idea?

    How easy is it to get two of these girls to agree to a threeway? Anyone ever successful with something like that before? I probably won't go for one but just want to know my options if I like what I see.

    I'm also considering taking a vibrating cock ring for them to grind on. I think they'll find that quite fun and novel.

    Thanks in advance for answering all these!

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