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    Anyone have current online, WhatsApp, etc, recommendations for guys who hate the Habanos type of scene? I know about the Skokka, Wanuncios and SexyHotPanama sites but it seems like there are a lot of fakes.

    On a related note, anyone have any experience with Isa, Valentina, or Maria Angel from today's ads on Skokka?

    PMs are fine, if preferred. I'll try to return the favor as my time in Panama continues. Thanks.

  2. #6353
    Quote Originally Posted by Talion  [View Original Post]
    You're comparing apples and oranges. LDV in Cartagena is a freelancer bar. You negotiate either your best price or your best value in either services or time. I'm had girls out of there for $100 for the entire night. (although that's not the norm) It all depends on you and the girl. The girl does whatever and the only time crunch that exists is the one she puts on it. The Gruta Azul is not a freelancer bar. It's a screw-by-time bar where you pay for 15 minute increments for sex on site in club provided rooms. If all you want is a quick in and out then it's cheap and easy, but you're on a clock to the second in there. The girl works in the club and the club controls the rooms, so she is not a freelancer and can't be free with her time. To answer your question about how they make money the answer is "volume!". I spoke to a girl in the Bocatorena who told me that although she used to work in Habanos that she wasn't always guaranteed to make to make coin there, but in the Boca, which is another screw by time increments place, she always had cash coming in. Again, I would point out that all of the girls in these clubs that I talked to indicated that they'd be available off site, so there's a whole other new set of negotiating possibilities for you. I was getting quotes of $70-80/ HR typically as a starting point.

    Having said all of that, there are freelance spots in Panama too, like Habanos, Alejandros, some girls in The Red Lion and some in the discos, although that seems to be falling out of vogue. This is what you should be comparing the LDV to, and again it comes down to what you can negotiate, either price, time or services, understanding that most of these girls are colombians or venezuelans too.

    Hope that helps a little.
    Thanks so much for the reply. Thats a lot of volume in Panama to make up for the freelance prices, and I am guessing the house gets part of the 15 minute price also. I thought that maybe that is what it was but couldn't believe the volume could be that much to make up for the high prices in freelance bars.

    Unfortunately I have been doing this for a long, long time in different parts of the world so I know what the deal is but I know a real nice farm girl that I meet in CRT, you know that 1% you rarely run across, that I wifed up with that went to Gruta Azul for the first time and is there now and wants to meet up again. Don't want to waste time and money on just another hard business like girl that are a dime a dozen which I am afraid Azul would of probably changed her into if the volume is that crazy. Thanks for the tip so much of this site especially in other forums has turned to complete garbage, info you provided is what the site should be about!

  3. #6352
    Quote Originally Posted by Nudepilot  [View Original Post]
    Experience 3. Luisa. You can search for her name in the Skokka listings and you 'LOL find her with an advertisement for a Nuru massage. The woman in the pictures isn't her, but once you see her you won't care. She's a sweetheart with a killer body. The massage is conducted on a wide, sturdy massage table in a darkened room lit by several candles. She gives a great massage with her strong hands, elbows, knees and feet. And the sensation of her body on yours is one you won't forget. I hesitated in sharing, but she is just too lovely to keep to myself. Her location is in Cangrejo, and easy to find. The Happy Ending is good (I've had better, but not in Panama) and she is just a joy to talk to. By the way, if you follow my reports you'll notice that I am not out experiencing the night life here in Panama. I just don't have that sort of freedom this year. Plus, I've done the whole Habanos, Gruta Azul, Capri, LE Palace thing in the past and, while all of that is fun, I'm okay with missing out this year. I'm out for daytime experiences and so far it's been sort of hit and miss. But Luisa is definitely a hit. Go see her.
    Yeah, Luisa is a keeper. Her he gets better as you go along too, and she also seems to have a couple of girls that hang out in the kitchen, one of which is really cute, but I'm not sure if she's on the menu or not.

  4. #6351

    Panama 2020-4

    Experience 4. "Nuru" massage in Obarrio. The location is the obarrio 60 building near Via Brasil. It's Sunday and although I've contacted several women, I'm just not getting much in the way of response. I get it- it's Sunday and everyone deserves a day off. Finally one responds and we make arrangements and I taxi my ass over. The building is an office building with rooms and businesses-I'm not sure how comfortable I'the be walking in during the week. On the 10th floor where the massage parlor is located there are several other businesses Might get a little awkward. Anyhow, when I called they only had one girl available and her pictures were only okay, but like I said, it's Sunday. The woman who opened the door was the woman in the picture and, again, was just okay. The massage room was small, the table-very small, and the massage wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination. I was kicking myself all the way through for not going back to Luisa. The Happy Ending wasn't all that happy, maybe you could call it mildly amusing. Anyhow, I won't be back. I'll have to maybe go to a sure-thing next time.

  5. #6350
    Experience 3. Luisa. You can search for her name in the Skokka listings and you 'LOL find her with an advertisement for a Nuru massage. The woman in the pictures isn't her, but once you see her you won't care. She's a sweetheart with a killer body. The massage is conducted on a wide, sturdy massage table in a darkened room lit by several candles. She gives a great massage with her strong hands, elbows, knees and feet. And the sensation of her body on yours is one you won't forget. I hesitated in sharing, but she is just too lovely to keep to myself. Her location is in Cangrejo, and easy to find. The Happy Ending is good (I've had better, but not in Panama) and she is just a joy to talk to. By the way, if you follow my reports you'll notice that I am not out experiencing the night life here in Panama. I just don't have that sort of freedom this year. Plus, I've done the whole Habanos, Gruta Azul, Capri, LE Palace thing in the past and, while all of that is fun, I'm okay with missing out this year. I'm out for daytime experiences and so far it's been sort of hit and miss. But Luisa is definitely a hit. Go see her.

  6. #6349
    Quote Originally Posted by Doker44  [View Original Post]
    Hello everyone, I don't post much anymore because most has already been said many times but I do have a question I am hoping someone can help me understand.

    I met a few girls in Cartagena in places such as Dolce Vita. Cartagena sucks IMO especially those bars but that's another story.

    They all go to Panama for between 1 and 3 months and go to places such as la nueva gruta azul. The girls in Dolce Vita and other clubs are getting at least 100 and probably 150 on average and probably really hit a homerun on some of those idiots that get off those cruise ships.

    How much is la nueva gruta azul? I don't understand how can they be making more money Panama? Are they really able to make more money or is it just some BS math in their head.

    I would like to visit Panama but not if performance is anything like Cartagena and cost more.

    Thanks everyone.
    You're comparing apples and oranges. LDV in Cartagena is a freelancer bar. You negotiate either your best price or your best value in either services or time. I'm had girls out of there for $100 for the entire night. (although that's not the norm) It all depends on you and the girl. The girl does whatever and the only time crunch that exists is the one she puts on it. The Gruta Azul is not a freelancer bar. It's a screw-by-time bar where you pay for 15 minute increments for sex on site in club provided rooms. If all you want is a quick in and out then it's cheap and easy, but you're on a clock to the second in there. The girl works in the club and the club controls the rooms, so she is not a freelancer and can't be free with her time. To answer your question about how they make money the answer is "volume!". I spoke to a girl in the Bocatorena who told me that although she used to work in Habanos that she wasn't always guaranteed to make to make coin there, but in the Boca, which is another screw by time increments place, she always had cash coming in. Again, I would point out that all of the girls in these clubs that I talked to indicated that they'd be available off site, so there's a whole other new set of negotiating possibilities for you. I was getting quotes of $70-80/ HR typically as a starting point.

    Having said all of that, there are freelance spots in Panama too, like Habanos, Alejandros, some girls in The Red Lion and some in the discos, although that seems to be falling out of vogue. This is what you should be comparing the LDV to, and again it comes down to what you can negotiate, either price, time or services, understanding that most of these girls are colombians or venezuelans too.

    Hope that helps a little.

  7. #6348

    Help me understand

    Hello everyone, I don't post much anymore because most has already been said many times but I do have a question I am hoping someone can help me understand.

    I met a few girls in Cartagena in places such as Dolce Vita. Cartagena sucks IMO especially those bars but that's another story.

    They all go to Panama for between 1 and 3 months and go to places such as la nueva gruta azul. The girls in Dolce Vita and other clubs are getting at least 100 and probably 150 on average and probably really hit a homerun on some of those idiots that get off those cruise ships.

    How much is la nueva gruta azul? I don't understand how can they be making more money Panama? Are they really able to make more money or is it just some BS math in their head.

    I would like to visit Panama but not if performance is anything like Cartagena and cost more.

    Thanks everyone.

  8. #6347

    Panama 2020-2

    Experience 2. I decided to take chance and I made an appointment with a sexologist that I found advertising in Skokka. Her claim to fame is that it's "much more than a massage". In her advertisement she says she's 49, and I have to admit that every once in a while I like to try an older woman (I'm 52, so by older I mean. Not 20). We arrange a time and I head to her place near plaza 5 de Mayo. I wouldn't go there alone at night and I'm pretty bold. Also, as a side note, the 5 de Mayo plaza has nothing to do with the Mexican holiday and everything to do with a munitions building explosion in 1914. Anyhow, I digress. I get to the room and the door is opened by a woman who was indeed 49. Back when Bush senior was president I still had hair. I thought about turning around and leaving, but I just can't do that to a woman. Plus, I knew immediately that I wouldn't be having sex with her. In I went. We chatted while I got undressed and as I lay naked on the bed I prayed she'the keep her clothes on. Alas, it was in vain as she stripped down to her granny-panties and climb on the bed with me. Her massage was actually pretty good and she gave near constant attention to the pole and tackle while I was face down. On the flip she did her duty and with some extreme eyes-closed fantasizing she was able to milk every bit of what I had out of me. Listen, she is a very nice lady, but I will not be back. I just can't get past her age and her body.

  9. #6346

    Panama 2020

    I'll be spending six weeks down here this year and will attempt to report on my experiences here. First up, I headed over to Relax Oriental, I've spent years bouncing around the Via Argentina area and have always been curious about, but never sampled, this place. It's as previously described: not-great. The front lobby has a little sofa (covered in scantily dressed women) and a couple of chairs, in one of which sat the owner. I paid my $60 bucks and chose a thin blonde. Back to the room we went. She was enthusiastic, but seemed a bit too much in a hurry. Looks wise I'd give her a 6 and for her skills, maybe a 6 as well, but only because she gave a super BBBJ. I'll will probably not go back.

  10. #6345
    Quote Originally Posted by Talion  [View Original Post]
    LE Palace is set up like a strip club but doesn't really operate as one, much like the other strip / brothels. There are some "shows at the front on the relatively small stage, but the main focus is on the girls circulating and chatting with clients in their "uniform" When I was there there was no cover and no minimum, and no pressure to buy drinks. I had to wave the bartender over to get something, so pretty relaxed. The girls there are not truly freelancers though, since regardless of what you negotiate with them you still have to pay a fee to the club, and the prices are very high. $150 just for the takeout fee and the girls start asking for $300 on top of that. Habanos, on the other hand, is an open air club full of girls who wear what they want and who kick back nothing to the club. They are freelancers, and you can take them out for less than the takeout fee at LE Palace, with a good selection to choose from and about the same expectations for service. You can do even better than that at more downscale clubs or via the classifieds, so it's whatever floats your boat.

    For me LE Palace is fine if you just want to go for a giggle and ogle the girls, but the extra price doesn't guarantee better service and there's tons of good looking girls at the other clubs you can pull for far less, so not good value for your cash.
    Thanks for the detailed reply.

  11. #6344
    Quote Originally Posted by JackMiami  [View Original Post]
    Is LE Palace a strip club with expensive takeout or just a very expensive Habanos type of place? Is there a drink minimum? Thanks.
    LE Palace is set up like a strip club but doesn't really operate as one, much like the other strip / brothels. There are some "shows at the front on the relatively small stage, but the main focus is on the girls circulating and chatting with clients in their "uniform" When I was there there was no cover and no minimum, and no pressure to buy drinks. I had to wave the bartender over to get something, so pretty relaxed. The girls there are not truly freelancers though, since regardless of what you negotiate with them you still have to pay a fee to the club, and the prices are very high. $150 just for the takeout fee and the girls start asking for $300 on top of that. Habanos, on the other hand, is an open air club full of girls who wear what they want and who kick back nothing to the club. They are freelancers, and you can take them out for less than the takeout fee at LE Palace, with a good selection to choose from and about the same expectations for service. You can do even better than that at more downscale clubs or via the classifieds, so it's whatever floats your boat.

    For me LE Palace is fine if you just want to go for a giggle and ogle the girls, but the extra price doesn't guarantee better service and there's tons of good looking girls at the other clubs you can pull for far less, so not good value for your cash.

  12. #6343

    Bristol or W hotels

    Does anybody have information on the Bristol or W hotels? Are they girls friendly? Is there a joiners fee? Thanks!

  13. #6342

    Ac

    Quote Originally Posted by Dfwret54  [View Original Post]
    Does anyone know about the chica policy at the new AC Hotel? We are going in 3 weeks and like the location.
    Was there in November. $33 is the fee. Fairly simple the girl just dropped her ID off at the desk nothing to sign. One girl to a room.

    Lee.

  14. #6341
    Quote Originally Posted by Dfwret54  [View Original Post]
    Does anyone know about the chica policy at the new AC Hotel? We are going in 3 weeks and like the location.
    No extra cost the first night if you have booked a room for 2. After that there is a fee. Very nice hotel.

  15. #6340
    Is LE Palace a strip club with expensive takeout or just a very expensive Habanos type of place? Is there a drink minimum? Thanks.

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