Angeles City

[D Cups]

As I and many have said, if one is a simpleton, a newbie, or a bar girl just cannot stomach the thought of fucking one unless she is charging double for having to lower herself to such then its quite possible one is quoted much higher prices in the bars than others.

The whole purpose of this board is to state ones experiences and prices quoted, if you disagree or are quoted higher prices than others then I suggest looking in the mirror.

My and my drinking buddies experiences of madonna bar is what I stated in my last bar report, we did not pay 200 peso for beers or get quoted 7 and 9,000 peso for barfines or 450 peso for lady drinks of which we bought many and also paid bar fines.

For the last time greenbud, Qbar is korean oriented, in as much as it has all asian customers, it caters to the asians 100%,the girls are dressed up to cater to asians, they will only barfine with asians so I'm completely correct in stating QBar is korean oriented, end of story.

Now on to meet up, why would any sane person want to meet a guy who sends constant profanity in private message, trolls posts constantly and is my total stalker online and has had many posts deleted and warnings issued by admin for such, think in truth I would rather meet satan himself.

For any sane members that want to correspond by private message, build up a friendship then I am quite happy to meet for beers in angeles city or to show newbies around the bars or answer any questions newbies might have.

Please fellow members, don't let the trolls and haters stop one from writing about ones experiences, always remember trolls and haters whole aim is to silence others, keep the trip reports coming, we have so few in the angeles section.

Well said, NS. If our paths cross I'll have a beer with you. After all, I'm from and. Cal and not too far from wine country.

[NapaSlapper]

Again you are incorrect.

SML are 200. Barfines are 5, 7, and 9 K. Only 4 girls at 9 K (last week). Ladydrinks are 450 Pesos (WOW! It seems that's the most expensive in Angeles).

Are you going to continue your ignorance, just like the Lolipop debacle couple of years ago.



Again, just like your stubborn Lolipop debacle, Q Bar is not an East Asian oriented bar. Pretty lame bar, IMO, even when my friend Paul (RIP) was part owner/manager.



WRONG again. SML is not 180. I paid 140 pesos for an SML last week.

Ladydrinks? which is it, 350 or 400? I haven't bought a ladydrink there for awhile.

So many mistakes. Then you double down on those mistakes.

Previously, you called me out, offering a friendly beer. I came back in November. Of course, you gave a BS reason why you couldn't meet for beers.

If you are real, I will meet you for beers. I will PROFUSELY PROFUSELY apologize for thinking you are a fake. I will buy you beers the entire night. Of course, you will give a reason why you aren't in Angeles. You only have a short window to accept at the present time. Or else, you have to wait until November to give another BS reason.

You claim to "have" a company with many employees. Are you claiming you own the company, or just an employee of that company. If you own it, you should be a very powerful man in Angeles. LOL!

As I and many have said, if one is a simpleton, a newbie, or a bar girl just cannot stomach the thought of fucking one unless she is charging double for having to lower herself to such then its quite possible one is quoted much higher prices in the bars than others.

The whole purpose of this board is to state ones experiences and prices quoted, if you disagree or are quoted higher prices than others then I suggest looking in the mirror.

My and my drinking buddies experiences of madonna bar is what I stated in my last bar report, we did not pay 200 peso for beers or get quoted 7 and 9,000 peso for barfines or 450 peso for lady drinks of which we bought many and also paid bar fines.

For the last time greenbud, Qbar is korean oriented, in as much as it has all asian customers, it caters to the asians 100%,the girls are dressed up to cater to asians, they will only barfine with asians so I'm completely correct in stating QBar is korean oriented, end of story.

Now on to meet up, why would any sane person want to meet a guy who sends constant profanity in private message, trolls posts constantly and is my total stalker online and has had many posts deleted and warnings issued by admin for such, think in truth I would rather meet satan himself.

For any sane members that want to correspond by private message, build up a friendship then I am quite happy to meet for beers in angeles city or to show newbies around the bars or answer any questions newbies might have.

Please fellow members, don't let the trolls and haters stop one from writing about ones experiences, always remember trolls and haters whole aim is to silence others, keep the trip reports coming, we have so few in the angeles section.

[GreenBud]

Madonna bar, our resident troll claims many things that me and many friends just do not see or experience like 200 peso drinks and girls at 9,000 peso barfine at madonna bar, all I can say is they must have put him down as a clueless newbie.

Our drinks prices at madonna bar 160 peso sml beer and 180 peso mixed drinks, black dress girls Korea friends bar fined were 6,000 peso, all other girls 5,000 peso.

Again you are incorrect.

SML are 200. Barfines are 5, 7, and 9 K. Only 4 girls at 9 K (last week). Ladydrinks are 450 Pesos (WOW! It seems that's the most expensive in Angeles).

Are you going to continue your ignorance, just like the Lolipop debacle couple of years ago.

QBar, again all customers asian on my countless visits

Again, just like your stubborn Lolipop debacle, Q Bar is not an East Asian oriented bar. Pretty lame bar, IMO, even when my friend Paul (RIP) was part owner/manager.

Xs bar...(sml beer and most mixed drinks 180 peso) lady drinks around 350-400 peso,

WRONG again. SML is not 180. I paid 140 pesos for an SML last week.

Ladydrinks? which is it, 350 or 400? I haven't bought a ladydrink there for awhile.

So many mistakes. Then you double down on those mistakes.

Its funny how when guys get called out about being in angeles by requesting a friendly beer they all of a sudden happen to have just conveniently left angeles yesterday, amazing.

Anyways, some of us are actually in angeles and went out to the bars last night.

Previously, you called me out, offering a friendly beer. I came back in November. Of course, you gave a BS reason why you couldn't meet for beers.

If you are real, I will meet you for beers. I will PROFUSELY PROFUSELY apologize for thinking you are a fake. I will buy you beers the entire night. Of course, you will give a reason why you aren't in Angeles. You only have a short window to accept at the present time. Or else, you have to wait until November to give another BS reason.

You claim to "have" a company with many employees. Are you claiming you own the company, or just an employee of that company. If you own it, you should be a very powerful man in Angeles. LOL!

[NapaSlapper]

Whats happening on the town over the last several bar hops, well obviously angeles city has bars that are western oriented and bars that are asian oriented, westerners stick to the western bars because they are ignored in the asian bars by the girls and asians stick to the asian bars because they just do not like the look of the girls employed in the western bars, of course we did not attend all bars but here is a few we did.

Asian oriented bars.

Xs bar, as has been said by many including myself this bar is the number one bar in angeles, its standing room only most nights with asian punters, has by far the best looking, slim girls, the best professional shows, the korean manager runs a really tight ship here, beer is ice cold (sml beer and most mixed drinks 180 peso) lady drinks around 350-400 peso, many of the better looking girls just do not bar fine and are drinks only girls or show girls, those that do bar fine are korean only, always enjoy nights in this bar with korean friends.

Madonna bar, our resident troll claims many things that me and many friends just do not see or experience like 200 peso drinks and girls at 9,000 peso barfine at madonna bar, all I can say is they must have put him down as a clueless newbie.

Our drinks prices at madonna bar 160 peso sml beer and 180 peso mixed drinks, black dress girls Korea friends bar fined were 6,000 peso, all other girls 5,000 peso.

Avalon bar and QBar, again all customers asian on my countless visits to these two bars some nights many girls that are cute and ok looking, some nights none, been a bit quiet here over the last few weeks for girl and punter numbers compared to few months ago but still two ok bars, (sml and mixed drinks 150 peso to 180 peso, lady drinks 350 peso, bar fines 5 and 6,000 peso, again many girls only give attention to asians.

Sky bar, again punters are asians, about 20 girls,2 or 3 girls ok looking and slim, about 10-12 punters on my visits, sml beer 150 peso, lady drinks 350 peso, some nights ok, some nights not.

Western oriented bars, first let me say there are very few western oriented bars left in angeles walking st, the most popular western bars are, lollipop bar, Geckos bar, masquarade bar, many moons back these three bars were rocking wall to wall customers and girls, many moons back me and friends bar fined multiple girls from these three bars, roll on to today and these bars have died a death, very few customers and girls, many girls older, fatter, and plain in looks, have not bought a lady drink in these bars in a very long time so low is the quality of girls.

In summing up, really cannot see the attraction of an angeles visit if one is a westerner and even slightly fussy in bed partners, many westerners friends have deserted angeles city bars for other asian destinations westerners are greatly out numbered by asians, the asians have bought up most bars, many hotels and businesses, they have the few better looking girls working in their bars and by far the better looking girls on their arm. The take over of angeles by the koreans is complete IMHO.

[AsianPussyMons]

Totally disagree. The smaller the town the shorter and faster the bamboo grapevine is. Everyone knows everyone and everything. No secrets because they all get found. Everyone is more reserved and conservative in their own small town but go wild when they go visit the big city and go on vacation away from people they know. That is true everywhere in the world. There is a reason for that. If the small towns were so easy we would all be doing it and stories would be told. You are the only one telling these stories. I can believe it happening but not so easy as you make others believe. You make it sound as if small town girls are throwing themselves at foreigners in front of their friends, family, and neighbors. Not going to happen. For decades guys have been talking about going to the AC bar girl source SAMAR. Never read any positive stories but many bad wasted time going there stories. You do not shit where you eat. Some outsider starts messing with someone's GF or wife and you can be made to simply disappear in the woods real quick. Life is cheap and means nothing there. The smaller the town the more fire you are playing with if you like to play with many girls. I have to call BS.

Truth is if what you say was true all the foreigners would be in SAMAR. I have not read of anybody living there and the very few that visited did not have a good time and left. Guys find girls and then take them somewhere else for a reason.

I would not be going to Samar to sleep with many girls, anybody who knows anything about the philippines knows that anit going to fly in the province, your right the bamboo grapevine is thick in the province. These people love to gossip in the philiy willy.

I would be going to samar or some other province to lay low, keep to myself, and work on improving myself, saving money and minding my own business. I know many will try to ask me "you want girl?" blah blah blah. I will just politely decline. If I want pussy I'll just go to AC.

The only way I will get involed with a girl in the province is if she is a absolute stunner, and I am in a position to have a serious strong relationship. Even then I would never have sex with her for months until I vet her family, status in the family, life goals, and determine if we get along. For the first few months, I will limit my interaction with the girl to only phone calls and coffee dates.

Too many dudes just let any bird enter their lives so easily, the land of instant girl friends and wonder why things don't work out.

Oh no. I been there done that.

[WestCoast1]

Totally disagree. The smaller the town the shorter and faster the bamboo grapevine is. Everyone knows everyone and everything. No secrets because they all get found. Everyone is more reserved and conservative in their own small town but go wild when they go visit the big city and go on vacation away from people they know. That is true everywhere in the world. There is a reason for that. If the small towns were so easy we would all be doing it and stories would be told. You are the only one telling these stories. I can believe it happening but not so easy as you make others believe. You make it sound as if small town girls are throwing themselves at foreigners in front of their friends, family, and neighbors. Not going to happen. For decades guys have been talking about going to the AC bar girl source SAMAR. Never read any positive stories but many bad wasted time going there stories. You do not shit where you eat. Some outsider starts messing with someone's GF or wife and you can be made to simply disappear in the woods real quick. Life is cheap and means nothing there. The smaller the town the more fire you are playing with if you like to play with many girls. I have to call BS.

Truth is if what you say was true all the foreigners would be in SAMAR. I have not read of anybody living there and the very few that visited did not have a good time and left. Guys find girls and then take them somewhere else for a reason.

Respectfully, my mates and I have done fairly well here. And continue to do so, albeit doing things a bit differently than you suggest. I am not talking about gents who breeze thru town for a few weeks looking for trim. Living in the province does not mean that you must settle down with an asawa (although many do that). One learns to play the local game. Other members on this board live in the same area as me, have stayed single, have different styles than myself, and have been able to find ways to burn thru the trim at a faster pace than myself. There are advantages and disadvantages.

[Old And Ugly]

Totally disagree. The smaller the town the shorter and faster the bamboo grapevine is. Everyone knows everyone and everything. No secrets because they all get found. Everyone is more reserved and conservative in their own small town but go wild when they go visit the big city and go on vacation away from people they know. That is true everywhere in the world. There is a reason for that. If the small towns were so easy we would all be doing it and stories would be told. You are the only one telling these stories. I can believe it happening but not so easy as you make others believe. You make it sound as if small town girls are throwing themselves at foreigners in front of their friends, family, and neighbors. Not going to happen. For decades guys have been talking about going to the AC bar girl source SAMAR. Never read any positive stories but many bad wasted time going there stories. You do not shit where you eat. Some outsider starts messing with someone's GF or wife and you can be made to simply disappear in the woods real quick. Life is cheap and means nothing there. The smaller the town the more fire you are playing with if you like to play with many girls. I have to call BS.

Truth is if what you say was true all the foreigners would be in SAMAR. I have not read of anybody living there and the very few that visited did not have a good time and left. Guys find girls and then take them somewhere else for a reason.

I agree 100%, I spent one year doing the small town thing, (because I didn't have nothing better to do), and the results were insignificant. I always ended up back in angeles city in-between relocations.

[Goferring]

Totally disagree. The smaller the town the shorter and faster the bamboo grapevine is. Everyone knows everyone and everything. No secrets because they all get found. Everyone is more reserved and conservative in their own small town but go wild when they go visit the big city and go on vacation away from people they know. That is true everywhere in the world. There is a reason for that. If the small towns were so easy we would all be doing it and stories would be told. You are the only one telling these stories. I can believe it happening but not so easy as you make others believe. You make it sound as if small town girls are throwing themselves at foreigners in front of their friends, family, and neighbors. Not going to happen. For decades guys have been talking about going to the AC bar girl source SAMAR. Never read any positive stories but many bad wasted time going there stories. You do not shit where you eat. Some outsider starts messing with someone's GF or wife and you can be made to simply disappear in the woods real quick. Life is cheap and means nothing there. The smaller the town the more fire you are playing with if you like to play with many girls. I have to call BS.

Truth is if what you say was true all the foreigners would be in SAMAR. I have not read of anybody living there and the very few that visited did not have a good time and left. Guys find girls and then take them somewhere else for a reason.

I'm not sure it's as black and white as you or Westie claim.

I'll place my vote for the provinces being better than AC. Much better. I'm certainly not alone but it shouldn't surprise anyone that many guys refrain from publicising their favourite fishing spots. The last thing we need is 100 horny tourists turning up.

The provinces are more work. Both to get there and upon arrival. They aren't point and shoot like AC and Makati. Many prefer these options as they don't have the time or inclination to put in the effort. I've had several guys complain about my Cebu suggestions saying that it took too much time and effort. I mean see'Mon. That's how much mongers need instant gratification now. Forget about catching planes, trains and automobiles to get there and then a few days to find one's feet. That's way too much for many guys. However, those who can put in the extra effort often find it worth it.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. I guess everyone also has different definition of 'provincial' girls. I've always regarded it as more of an attitude than a population count. Davao is a huge city. However, girls there have a totally different attitude to those in metro Manila or Cebu. I do agree with your point that in very small towns, everyone knows everyone's business so bouncing from cutie to cutie becomes more challenging.

G.

[GreenBud]

- I went to Madonna at around 5:45 pm. I wanted to see how the 9 K girls looked like. FYI, the barfines at that bar are 5 K, 7 K, and 9 K. The 9 K girls wear the black velour dresses. I was told there are 4 of them. Not sure if it's 4 on Monday, or 4 everyday. There were 2 left at that time. 2 were already barfined. The 2 remaining were not that impressive. There were some 5 K girls that were the same or slightly better than the 9 K girls. But, I'm wondering if the 2 who were barfined are worth it. If those 2 are similar to the one black taped model at XS (who was the best of the bunch on Monday night), then they are worth 9 K. FYI, that one top notch black tape girl at XS had a sponsor (info from 2 years ago).

- The beer at Madonna was just increased to 200 pesos. Most expensive in Angeles. The most I've seen was 150 pesos for a beer on Walking Street. I was told there are other bars that has the same pricing structure for barfines. Didn't see it the other night (But I didn't go to every bar on Walking Street). It seems now, most bars on the main area of Walking Street has 5 K barfines.

- The barfines at Avalon and XS is 5 K for most of the girls, and 6 K for the black taped models. One waitress at some other bar told me that the black tape models are 6 K or 7 K, depending on the customer / circumstances. That would make sense. Other posters have written that they were charged higher than the prices that are normally quoted.

- Dragon Bar (upstairs) is closed. It seems they are going to move downstairs. Wondering if the American that bought the Dragon bar planned this. BTW, at least one of the mamasans from Dragon moved (with her girls) to Madonna.

- Funny how some people are "scared" of the Koreans. They think they are weekend millionaires with huge bonuses that will outspend all of us. Geez! There are White Westerners that spend as well as those guys. I see White Westerners spend large amounts of money on bell rings, and buying large amounts of lady drinks. White Westerners (generally) do not make it rain like the Koreans. They spend the money in other ways. I know a regular, and she said a customer (White guy) who gave her a 10 K tip just to go barhopping. I saw a girl who was hung over because a White guy the previous night rang the bell constantly.

- IMO, majority of the Koreans are not weekend millionaires; many are also price conscious, just like the White ex-pats. Not all Koreans are making it rain. Percentage wise, it's a very small number. Also, not all are Koreans. Many are Japanese and Chinese. Not sure of the percentages. I see many of them at the poker room.

- Ya, many girls prefer East Asians at the Korean oriented bars. Not sure of the percentages. White guys shouldn't have any problems at the Western oriented bars. But you guys have to remember that some girls do not like sex every day. Some will say no. I'm afraid many girls will reject Black and Indian guys in many of the bars. Not sure of the percentages.

- There are some girls who have sponsors and/or want to have drinks only. Not sure of the percentages.

- Following probably should go under the stupid shit section. Q Bar is / was never a Korean oriented bar. Still no Korean touts / pappasan. Although last week, there were 3 customers at one point; all East Asians. Still haven't seen a Korean owner / pappasan at XS. Our resident "expert" is still an idiot. Sometimes he's 18 months behind. He just trashed Atlantis. LOL! Few years ago, he was saying how he took his Korean clients to Atlantis; it was the same as it is now.

[LoveItHere69]

On your plan to stay in Samar. I think that you will do well in any province. The smaller the town, the easier it will be. The poon gravitates in your direction.

Totally disagree. The smaller the town the shorter and faster the bamboo grapevine is. Everyone knows everyone and everything. No secrets because they all get found. Everyone is more reserved and conservative in their own small town but go wild when they go visit the big city and go on vacation away from people they know. That is true everywhere in the world. There is a reason for that. If the small towns were so easy we would all be doing it and stories would be told. You are the only one telling these stories. I can believe it happening but not so easy as you make others believe. You make it sound as if small town girls are throwing themselves at foreigners in front of their friends, family, and neighbors. Not going to happen. For decades guys have been talking about going to the AC bar girl source SAMAR. Never read any positive stories but many bad wasted time going there stories. You do not shit where you eat. Some outsider starts messing with someone's GF or wife and you can be made to simply disappear in the woods real quick. Life is cheap and means nothing there. The smaller the town the more fire you are playing with if you like to play with many girls. I have to call BS.

Truth is if what you say was true all the foreigners would be in SAMAR. I have not read of anybody living there and the very few that visited did not have a good time and left. Guys find girls and then take them somewhere else for a reason.

[SouthEaster]

The hell is an "on the spectrum" friend? What spectrum? Gender? Autism? Skin colour? BTW your karen beta males seem to be colloquially known as "cheap charlies".

[ThreeInches]

Are you Black? That guy on the video is Black. I'm afraid many girls do not want to go with Black guys. Many girls are ignorant and racist.

I just watched a few minutes of the video. Didn't make sense. He said the waitresses ignored him for the drinks. The waitresses are paid below minimum wage. They rely on tips to make a decent living. Maybe the girls knew him, and he didn't tip. Or the next waitress in line wanted the next group in the hopes of a good tip. Black guys have a reputation of either being cheap with tips, or very flashy with huge tips.

I am definitely NOT Korean, I can stop these people from pestering me to buy a drink, ladies drinks, pick a lady, and bar fines. When I walk into a bar with in 10-20 seconds I always get asked to buy a drink. Within 60 seconds I am being pestered to pick a lady within 2 minutes girls walk over trying to sit with me. This happens at every bar regardless of if they are Korean or not. I have never, never, never been denied entry into a K bar, in fact the Korean Managers always welcome me into said bars and offer me girls.

The guy in the video happens to be black but Americans in general don't want to be pressured into buying drinks so that is SOP for a foreigner that is not Asian as they think they are not pushovers. They usually leave western foreigners alone to drink their beer. I would actually love it if I could come into a bar sit down and NOT buy a drink and take the place in without them pressing me like this guy describes but it just doesn't happen to me, I would absolutely love that. And the girls for me at least are worse on perimeter, these girls won't keep their hands off my dick, and don't wear panties and shove your hands inside them. If you are not getting this treatment you are most likely a beta. Stop thinking of reasons why you get bad service and just make it what you want it to be, that the magic of the Philippines is it can be what you want it to be unlike the states where you have very little control over your fate.

This guy said that he went to Avalon and got ignored, I just took my on the spectrum friend to this place and we had a great time. I think Beta males as a whole in a slower market have a hard time asserting themselves. If you want them to ogle you, you have to show some interest, you can't sit there tampo and expect them to run to you. Weird looking guys like this video the girls kind of leave them alone and just let them be, they think they have mental problems, I'm not making a joke here. They usually complain about buying drinks or the prices so they leave them to their own devices. No one wants to go to work and deal with these karen beta males, girls don't want to fuck a karen beta for any amount of money. This guy is just trying to find some reason beta males get less and doesn't analyze himself, or realize that western foreigners don't like that kind of attention and the girls know this and let them have some space. Guys like that are just looking to complain if they did pressure him he would just be making a video about how high pressured they are and how pushy and clingy they are. There is no pleasing these weird guys with these kind of issues.

Tbh one real reason why things have changed is that their salaries improve with lady drinks and their are 4-5 tiers of this. So the girls will not waste time on someone who is not willing to either bar fine or buy at least one drink. I don't think this is unreasonable to pay for a girls time if you are there.

[WestCoast1]

Where abouts? AC?

No. Safely snuggled into the province. Manila and AC are over-priced bubbles. In addition, I no longer monger or constantly search for fresh meat. Local girls who are willing to provide service on my schedule tops most everything else. I visit Manila and AC from time to time, but rarely to monger.

On your plan to stay in Samar. I think that you will do well in any province. The smaller the town, the easier it will be. The poon gravitates in your direction.

[Volterra]

Touche! Exactly right good sir. The K's appear to be completing a system (by design or not) where they have a niche environment. One can't blame the bar owners from changing tactics to take advantage of the niche. I'd like to say that this will increase an influx of gents back to Burgos, but with immigration numbers not rebounding from pre-covid and the number of AC western visitors way down, things might have equalized already.

Outside of AC, more poon for the rest of us.

The poon is still there in AC too, but guys got to work more (n pay more) for it, unless theyre f'ing superstuds like WestC, GoF, Phil, FuriousG, SirLance, and SailorJ.

All the good ol daze reminiscing is a tonic for the hard 21st century reality. The boys from Anglo (US / UK / IR / AUS / CAN / NZ) and other Western countries had their day when girls could convince themselves they were bedding with a Hollywood / rock star lookalike. The harsh fact for those / us dudes is that K culture now rules the day, the "F" word (f. Eminism) has been sneaking into Asia (in its own way) via social media, and Korean guys loaded up with their chaebol (big K company) bonuses and still supported by pooling of family resources back home are themselves hunting for cheaper and easier alternates to the expensive and contentious K princesses. Its their time in the sun, and I'm guessing that around 2040 K dudes will be reminiscing about it too, kind of like old Japanese dudes had their flash moment before 1990. I got nothing against my K bros or J bros at all. Just wish it were still easier me for to get it when I need it.

For me as I head into my 60's having spent 4 decades shagging Asian civvies and increasingly WGs, the choice is either 1) give up, b*itch, and reminisce or 2) find new ways to work through it. Not sure which one is going to win out yet, but maybe the extra work will be a good way to prevent senility. The past 2 months in PH and Jakarta have been a lot of work for me, but I'm getting some energy back from those 5 or 6 amazing diamonds that I persevered for (trying to forget about the 10 others who werent diamonds).

Persevere, men.

[PhilJoy]

I just clicked add report and uploaded the images, I didn't do anything special.

I have had this account for more than 10 years I think, maybe I was grandfathered in or something. Maybe the rules have changed since I made my account ages ago. I have just been a lurker. I always got most of my information about Angeles city from PI at night and Facebook groups and PI addicts.

I am able to read only, I can't view pictures, I need to donate bitcoin to view pictures, which I think I might do soon because I want do more research on this board to hopefully find the next up and coming destinations.

Here is a freelancer I picked up out of HiSo night club, I couldn't tell you her name, I probably never bothered to ask her name. Even If I did ask her name I was probably too drunk to remember it. LOL.

All good APM _ I'd ask the question of an admin. I knew I had to wait 6 months before viewing pics. Nothing wrong with lurking:) _ Phil.