Angeles City

[Old And Ugly]

So Thai people are getting dumber because they don't learn English and because of Technology? So what have you done in that time and access to technology to learn Thai? You are going to their country not the other way around. Damn, the arrogance of some Westerners is really annoying.

Not arrogance just an observation, of a life long traveler, point a place on the globe, and I can tell you that I've been there probably. You're rushing to judge millions of people visiting hundreds of different countries using criteria that applies to immigrants, not tourists.

No need to learn a multitude of languages as long as you speak the universal language which is english, and is also used by japanese when speaking to chinese, or the russians speaking to the brazillians, second: if you're not seeking employment in the respective country, and just there to spend your hard earned money, you may think that the people dealing with the tourists have the obligation, and the immediate interest in learning basic english, so they can communicate with the germans, americans, russians, french, mexicans and the koreans visiting the respective place in order to empty their pockets. The working girls come to mind also.

Maybe I should mention that I can speak fluent (not perfect) german, spanish, italian, some french and some portugese, but somehow visiting a country in SEA for a few weeks and not speaking khmer, or vietnamese and expecting the receptionist at a hotel or at a check in counter at the airport to speak a few words related to their job in english makes me an arrogant american.

If I'm to move permanently to one of this places, I assure you that I would do my best to learn some of the basic words to be able to communicate with people, but that's not the case yet, and probably my brain has shrinked already from old age, leaving me unable of learning new things, and facilitating forgetting what I already know.

Anyway the rant was not about Thailand, where they do speak some english in places dealing with tourists, and are able to understand child like language with hand gestures and noises, it was Cambodia and Vietnam. Years ago when visiting the 2 countries, you had young people in the park approaching you and asking you to have an innocent conversation, so they can improve their english skills, and they were thrilled about it. Back then you'll have to learn it from books, or take courses, now is extremely simpler, you have it in the palm of your hand, everybody owns a smart phone, and has access to the internet, cheaper and way better than in the west, but contrary to the expectations, nobody got smarter, just the opposite happened, I blame it on FB TikTok, and narcissism, and that's the technology part that I'm referring to, I tried to use translator apps, but they're not always working well.

I hope that clarifies it, my bad that I wasn't specific enough, no need for insults, we're just anonymous civilized people with a common hobby, exchanging info and impressions here.

[Expat American]

I returned today after an extensive 4 months travel to Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia, AC still my favorite, TH compares with AC, but the lack of english dims the fun. Vietnam, and Cambodia, they can keep it, I'm not into fast HJs or eventual BJs in the back of a salon massage, overpriced also. PH is the place! As the years pass by, and technology becomes more ready available, it seems that the people are getting dumber, nobody speaks english anymore, and they don't understand professor Google when it translates, also cannot interpret any universal sign language attempts, beside fucking or BJ.

So Thai people are getting dumber because they don't learn English and because of Technology? So what have you done in that time and access to technology to learn Thai? You are going to their country not the other way around. Damn, the arrogance of some Westerners is really annoying.

[Old And Ugly]

I returned today after an extensive 4 months travel to Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia, AC still my favorite, TH compares with AC, but the lack of english dims the fun. Vietnam, and Cambodia, they can keep it, I'm not into fast HJs or eventual BJs in the back of a salon massage, overpriced also. PH is the place! As the years pass by, and technology becomes more ready available, it seems that the people are getting dumber, nobody speaks english anymore, and they don't understand professor Google when it translates, also cannot interpret any universal sign language attempts, beside fucking or BJ.

Had my first 3 some in the afternoon with a freelancer and my GF, and was a more than satisfying experience for 2 K, I may say was like in a porn movie.

I see that Kokomos has new menus, and the prices seem slightly higher, or maybe is just my memory playing games.

Angels Bakery opened a satellite restaurant, carinderia stile on Vian / Santos, mostly german sausage sandwiches, but good quality and cheap, around 150 a piece, they have german beer also.

Masquerade has a band playing 70's rock on the roof, sounds good and is not deafening.

The old Margherita Station still vacant, probably the owner regrets raising the rent.

The new Envy still not open, and looks like an aquarium with all walls covered by TV panels.

Paradise looks kind of the same, beside the fact that it has same new "stands" facing the street, and they cleaned up the old tables and chairs, I didn't checked the prices.

On the side of the McDonalds drive thru there is a new fenced area, and the trinket vendors have disappeared.

The pharmacies are asking for a prescription now for anti bacterial stuff, not only for antibiotics, but still few where no questions asked.

Popped my head in few bars, and except Lollipop, they all had little zombies in evening gowns, glued to the phones.

Lots of cute street walkers, not too many of our korean friends, and very hot and humid.

And that's all that comes to mind.

[WestCoast1]

Mate, I battle to get any girl in the Phils to have her photo taken with her gear off.

And I'm sure the other guys who do post pics with blurred faces are to protect the girl's identity.

Without the girl's permission, never. Its cruelty to suggest others do so.

Feel free to post pics of your girls and we'll see what you're looking for.

Beating a dead horse. He's goading others into posting such pics, while he has never done so (and will never). Its wild hypocrisy.

[PhilJoy]

Now onto your posted photos, I am a big face man and unmarked body man as you have chosen to post fully clothed and to blur out the girls faces there is no way of telling how pretty these girls are, yes they look slim but could have a face that is unapealing or a body showing bad signs of child birth.

Mate, I battle to get any girl in the Phils to have her photo taken with her gear off.

And I'm sure the other guys who do post pics with blurred faces are to protect the girl's identity.

Feel free to post pics of your girls and we'll see what you're looking for.

_ Phil.

[Turgid]

......When one of you guys posts an full photo (face and body of girl without blurring) and she is nice looking / slim and young then why would I not say I like the posted pictures, and congratulate said poster on his good taste......

From your post I concluded that you have been posting such photos so I went looking but for some reason could not find them. Could you direct me to them please?

[NapaSlapper]

Why do the Koreans get the slim cute ones? Do they pay more for the barfines? It has to be about money. Can the western guys enter a Korean bar and pay more for a better looking girl?

Hi thanks for your post, I will try to answer as accurately as possible.

Its a matter of koreans over the last several years have taken over angeles big time, they own most the bars, the korean punters tend to be much younger and slimmer than westerners, they dress well, look clean and throw money around like its going out of fashion, like making it rain (throwing fistfulls of notes in the air for the girls to catch in the bar) tabling multiple girls and buying them multiple lady drinks, barfining girls and taking them out to expensive restaurants, taking them clubbing and hiring the best seats there with top shelf bottle service for them, treating the girls with respect from what I witness, also tipping the girls handsomly, sometimes for even for just sitting with them in the bar, girls like big spenders, they like the younger korean guys that will party with them, treat them good and the koreans are quite happy to accept short time back at the room, some times have seen koreans barfine multiple girls and only end up taking one girl home each, releasing the rest.

As far as do koreans pay more for their bar fines absolutely not, barfine prices tend to be the same for all, can honestly say I spend a fortune when I'm out partying with korean friends on drinks and partying with the girls, what's not to like for the girls in honesty.

Hope that helps.

[Sir Lancelot]

In summing up, Angeles a shadow of its former self, Koreans are by far the dominant numbers, they rule the roost in many ways, they have the best bars and definitely by far the better looking girls on their arm, westerners not so much so, many westerners leaving fields alone or with older, chubbies on their arm, maybe they should have renamed walking st to Korea town rather than red street which would have been a much more fitting name, sorry its not great news for the westerner but in truth its what I see and experience in angeles.

I cannot stress enough how strongly I disagree with everything Napa says.

I was in Angeles a month ago and fucked some exceptional girls. Napa's claims that westerners won't get any joy in Korean bars is pure fiction. I'm a white guy, late forties from UK, and I bar-fined all six of these girls from Korean bars. One was a 'model' from XS and the waitress and mamasan couldn't have been more helpful. They literally sat either side of me with their laser-pens, pointing out girls. My money was welcomed just as much as the Korean customers. One of the other girls was a black-tape dancer from Avalon, and another from Genesis. As I was chatting with her in the bar, three old Korean men kept staring at us and she whispered to me "they so arrogant, they think I will go to sit with them". I bar-fined her twice. All of these girls were aged 22 or less. Walk down the street and the Korean bar-owners will all try to persuade you to go inside for a drink. They want westerners to have a good time just as much as Koreans.

I don't understand why Napa makes so many false claims. I presume he struggles to click with girls, so makes sweeping generalisations that everyone else will have as barren a time as he obviously does.

If you are reading this forum and toying with the idea of going to Angeles, get yourself booked as soon as possible. You will not regret it. Me and my friend Macca are already planning our next trip.

[NeilGeorge]

2025 has been an absolute disaster in terms of visitors, take away the regular expats that live here and the western punter numbers are tiny, never seen it so quiet in the western oriented bars for both punter numbers and girl numbers, what does not help is what few girls are working don't look happy, no smiles, no excitement to see customers, girls sitting playing with phones, girls standing on stage with arms crossed not even moving to the music.



Korean oriented bars.

Its true to say angeles city has has become mainly korean owned, populated, the koreans own the best and biggest bars, have the better looking girls working at their bars, Own multiple restaurants, hotels, grocery stores etc, one could quite mistake being in seoul south Korea while walking in angeles.

Here's a few korean oriented bars I visited with korean friends.

Atlantis bar, remember visiting here on their opening night many moons ago, back then maybe 200-300 very beautiful slim girls on stage average ages 18,there were so many girls one did not know where to look 1st, roll on to today and this bar is a shadow of its former self, maybe 20 girls in total, mostly older, chubbie and not pleasing on the eye, one drink and left.

Gold moon bar, again no where near as good as the recent past, maybe 30 odd girls, some ok looking and slim, some not ok, bought a couple of drinks for us and girls trying to create a party atmosphere but eventually we got bored and left alone.

Madonna bar, again girl numbers down and no where near as nice looking as in the recent past, normally would spend few hours here, buy many lady drinks and sometimes bar fine, but left after the 1st beer.

Xs bar, again has to be said is the best bar angeles city has as far as girl numbers, great shows and some ok looking girls, was not as busy as normal for punters or girls, bought a few drinks for the girls and had a good night.

In summing up, Angeles a shadow of its former self, Koreans are by far the dominant numbers, they rule the roost in many ways, they have the best bars and definitely by far the better looking girls on their arm, westerners not so much so, many westerners leaving fields alone or with older, chubbies on their arm, maybe they should have renamed walking st to Korea town rather than red street which would have been a much more fitting name, sorry its not great news for the westerner but in truth its what I see and experience in angeles.

Why do the Koreans get the slim cute ones? Do they pay more for the barfines? It has to be about money. Can the western guys enter a Korean bar and pay more for a better looking girl?

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[NapaSlapper]

Whats been happening in the bars, clubs and general news and my views over the last few bar hops.

Lets start off with how busy the town is for westerner visitors, well that's easy,2025 has been an absolute disaster in terms of visitors, take away the regular expats that live here and the western punter numbers are tiny, never seen it so quiet in the western oriented bars for both punter numbers and girl numbers, what does not help is what few girls are working don't look happy, no smiles, no excitement to see customers, girls sitting playing with phones, girls standing on stage with arms crossed not even moving to the music.

Western fields sports bar which I reported on opening a month ago on red street was fairly busy its 1st few days with punters trying it out, it has since died a death, the wait staff greatly outnumber the punters when ever I walk past, maybe trying to charge western prices for food and drinks did not go down too well.

Masquarades bar upstairs chill out area, well it opened a few weeks ago, great place to people watch, the seating and bar are along the look out rails is made of glass giving a perfect view over the top and lower parts, some days have live music, visited a few times, like it, its chilled, good prices and friendly staff, perfect people watching spot.

The old envy bar (now hammer resto bar) at tge mouth of walking streetbis prwtty much finished with the renovations and is ready to open any day now, it looks very nice, hope the prices are reasonable for food and drinks other wise can see another empty venue on the horison, time will tell.

Over the last few weeks have popped our heads into the few remaining western oriented bars, champagne bar, lollipop bar, geckos bar, owls nest bar, masquarade bar, mostly stayed for just the one drink, no lady drinks bought and no barfines by me and my western drinking buddies, have to be honest and say girl quality in these bars is low, very low unfortunately, punter drinks 100-140 peso, lady drinks 300-350 peso.

There has been two bars raided recently and closed, club stars was raided and closed due to what I understand was under age girls working there, be careful guys, not all is what it seems in the bars some times.

Korean oriented bars.

Its true to say angeles city has has become mainly korean owned, populated, the koreans own the best and biggest bars, have the better looking girls working at their bars, Own multiple restaurants, hotels, grocery stores etc, one could quite mistake being in seoul south Korea while walking in angeles.

Here's a few korean oriented bars I visited with korean friends.

Atlantis bar, remember visiting here on their opening night many moons ago, back then maybe 200-300 very beautiful slim girls on stage average ages 18,there were so many girls one did not know where to look 1st, roll on to today and this bar is a shadow of its former self, maybe 20 girls in total, mostly older, chubbie and not pleasing on the eye, one drink and left.

Gold moon bar, again no where near as good as the recent past, maybe 30 odd girls, some ok looking and slim, some not ok, bought a couple of drinks for us and girls trying to create a party atmosphere but eventually we got bored and left alone.

Madonna bar, again girl numbers down and no where near as nice looking as in the recent past, normally would spend few hours here, buy many lady drinks and sometimes bar fine, but left after the 1st beer.

Xs bar, again has to be said is the best bar angeles city has as far as girl numbers, great shows and some ok looking girls, was not as busy as normal for punters or girls, bought a few drinks for the girls and had a good night.

In summing up, Angeles a shadow of its former self, Koreans are by far the dominant numbers, they rule the roost in many ways, they have the best bars and definitely by far the better looking girls on their arm, westerners not so much so, many westerners leaving fields alone or with older, chubbies on their arm, maybe they should have renamed walking st to Korea town rather than red street which would have been a much more fitting name, sorry its not great news for the westerner but in truth its what I see and experience in angeles.

[WildInstincts]

Was she supposed to stay all night? So she was a runner?

Was everything covered or did any of the girls do it bare?

Any 3-holers for you?

She said 4 hours when I bar fined her and stayed for 4 hours and 2 pops. I didn't ask for bareback. Also, didn't try anal. The one my friend took was open to bareback but he also used condom.

[NeilGeorge]

Picked up a girl from bad boys around 8 and it went quite ok. Nothing much to brag about. If I remember correctly bar fine was 5 K. She left little after 12.

Was she supposed to stay all night? So she was a runner?

Was everything covered or did any of the girls do it bare?

Any 3-holers for you?

[WildInstincts]

Can't remember all the bars visited. Kinda checked out most. Checked out Madonna around 7 pm. Customer drink is mandatory and it's 250 pesos. Girls wearing gold, red and black. I asked the manager about the difference and he said gold is 12 k pesos, red 10 K and black 7 K. All long term until the next day morning. I finished my drink and left.

Picked up a girl from bad boys around 8 and it went quite ok. Nothing much to brag about. If I remember correctly bar fine was 5 K. She left little after 12.

[WildInstincts]

Back After Two Years:
I returned to AC after nearly two years, and overall, the atmosphere seems improved compared to my last visit. Theres a bit more pedestrian traffic on the red street, and a few new bars have opened. I checked into Central Park in the morning and had a light brunch at Tequila Reef. My friend and I started exploring a little after noon. Since it was quite hot, we ducked into the first bar that invited us in.

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Bar Experiences:
Sky Fall (Korean Bar)
Welcoming atmosphere; staff eagerly invited us in.
Around 10 to 15 young girls present.
My friend found a couple of them interesting but didnt make a choice right away.
Drink Price: 200 pesos

Bar Nana:
Around 15 girls, quite eager to be bar-fined.
Nothing particularly impressive, so we left after finishing our drinks.
Drink Price: 150 pesos.

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Afternoon Break:

We decided to take a much-needed nap before continuing in the evening. Slept until 5 and hit the streets again around 6.

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Evening Exploration:
Lollipop:
Decent number of customers and girls.
A few girls were okay but not very appealing.
Drink Price: 150 pesos (if I recall correctly).
Moved on after finishing the drink.

Viking:
I opted for whiskey instead of SML, given how much I had already consumed.
Drink Prices: SML - 170 pesos, Whiskey - 250 pesos.
Girls were friendly and approached us eagerly.
My friend quickly chose one (5500 pesos until the next morning) and left with her.
I chatted with an outgoing girl but didnt take her out bought her a lady drink instead
Lady Drink Price: 400 pesos.

Club XS:
I visited solo after my friend left. Initially, finding a seat was challenging, but the staff accommodated me.
Noticed a higher number of white customers compared to Koreans, most of whom had a girl with them.
Although I didnt interact with the girls, I plan to find out if theyre primarily for drinks or available to go out.
Oh Im brown, I didnt experience any overt discrimination up until this point.

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Late-Night Adventures:

After a few drinks and shows at Club XS, I headed out to find the next spot. My friend called, complaining that his pick was a dud, so we met up and had dinner at Kokomos. Afterward, we wandered through a few more bars, but by then, I was a bit too tipsy to recall each place.

Mega Dance:
Not comparable to Hi-So, but the current option available.
Some eye-catching girls, though they seemed occupied.
Those giving signals werent particularly attractive.
Around 2 AM, both my friend and I chose one girl each (3000 pesos each until morning).
Both performed reasonably well and left the next day.

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Final Thoughts on Day 1:

Its not all doom and gloom in AC. You can still enjoy yourself with the right mindset and attitude. No one turned us down, and the vibe was generally positive. I plan to revisit Club XS to see if the girls there are exclusively for Korean patrons or more open.

End of Day 1:
Not the most exciting report, but I wanted to share my honest experience on the first day back.