Angeles City

[Sir Lancelot]

How easy for NS to say that he will meet you next week, when he knows you are not there. Then when you don't meet with him, the blame can be placed on *you*. Sneaky Pete.

As you say, very predictable. When I was in Angeles in February I was happy to meet. I met Moonshot for a beer. But as always happens when someone is posting daily reports while in Angeles, Napa went in to hibernation. It was only when my holiday had clearly finished and he knew I was safely back in the UK that he decided to be very vocal about meeting.

In fact I received this beautifully worded private message today.

Stop trolling the internet and meet,the gauntlet has been laid,meet up this week. Ill be waiting for your pm to arrange place and time, time has come to pay the piper buddy and stop hiding in your own fantasies.

Who would refuse the opportunity to have a drinking buddy like that?

Joking aside, time after time people offer to meet him on this forum but he makes excuse after excuse. He never posts stories or shares photos, he just copies and pastes the same disinformation over and over again. On my trip in February I was able to disprove almost everything he wrote. All of his false claims were easily debunked. He paints the picture that Angeles is a barren wasteland and westerners won't have a good time, but it's simply untrue. I have been to Angeles in each of the last three years and fucking loved it. The first year after covid it was quieter but there were still pretty girls to be found. Last year it was significantly busier with more bars open and this year the upward trajectory continues. At night the streets were busy, lots of the bars were packed and there were plenty of pretty girls. It's not a place without fault, which I talked about in my diary. Perimeter Road bars are miles behind what they used to be and some of the bars on Fields Avenue now have an annoying habit of letting the girls sit down until a customer walks through the door. But it's still a phenomenal place, to such a degree I'm already planning my next trip there.

Napa ludicrously claimed in his post yesterday that many westerners either leave Red Street empty-handed or with fat ugly girls. Maybe he is projecting his own lean experiences on everyone else, because when I was there westerners seemed to be doing just fine!

I've been using this forum for many years now. It's a great place to chat with like-minded people and share experiences and recommendations. But every now and then you encounter someone who clearly has ulterior motives. I remember there was a guy on the Yangon thread, who vehemently discouraged people from visiting Burma and wrote angry, hate-filled private messages to anyone who dared leave a positive report. Sound familiar? It turned out the guy on the Yangon thread was an expat, whose sole objective was to put people off visiting to increase his odds at the few girlie establishments Yangon had to offer.

Cant wait to meet you and bring you out of your fantasy world,we are all waiting, korean boys cant wait to put you in your place they said.

I had to finish by sharing this excerpt from the second message Napa sent me today. Does that really sound the kind of language a Korean person would use? They're not cockney gangsters!

[Turgid]

......When one of you guys posts an full photo (face and body of girl without blurring) and she is nice looking / slim and young then why would I not say I like the posted pictures, and congratulate said poster on his good taste......

From your post I concluded that you have been posting such photos so I went looking but for some reason could not find them. Could you direct me to them please?

[NapaSlapper]

Why do the Koreans get the slim cute ones? Do they pay more for the barfines? It has to be about money. Can the western guys enter a Korean bar and pay more for a better looking girl?

Hi thanks for your post, I will try to answer as accurately as possible.

Its a matter of koreans over the last several years have taken over angeles big time, they own most the bars, the korean punters tend to be much younger and slimmer than westerners, they dress well, look clean and throw money around like its going out of fashion, like making it rain (throwing fistfulls of notes in the air for the girls to catch in the bar) tabling multiple girls and buying them multiple lady drinks, barfining girls and taking them out to expensive restaurants, taking them clubbing and hiring the best seats there with top shelf bottle service for them, treating the girls with respect from what I witness, also tipping the girls handsomly, sometimes for even for just sitting with them in the bar, girls like big spenders, they like the younger korean guys that will party with them, treat them good and the koreans are quite happy to accept short time back at the room, some times have seen koreans barfine multiple girls and only end up taking one girl home each, releasing the rest.

As far as do koreans pay more for their bar fines absolutely not, barfine prices tend to be the same for all, can honestly say I spend a fortune when I'm out partying with korean friends on drinks and partying with the girls, what's not to like for the girls in honesty.

Hope that helps.

[NapaSlapper]

It does not matter what pics (or kinds of pics) that you, me, or FG (or anyone) post. They will never be pleasing to NS. At least he can never admit that they please him. Even if they are pleasing to him, he has painted himself into a corner and can not admit that your pics are good enough. I liked all of your recent pics. I don't need to see every feature of every girl to know if she's enough to please me.

As he has now admitted to being a face-man, we are all waiting patiently for him to post us pics of several of his girls (complete with face) to see if they measure up to our taste. As he has repeatedly asked us to post pictures, he has never reciprocated when asked.

In addition, from your posting history its easy to see Lance is only in town once or twice a year, was there a month or so ago, and won't be back for at least a few months (or next year). How easy for NS to say that he will meet you next week, when he knows you are not there. Then when you don't meet with him, the blame can be placed on *you*. Sneaky Pete.

NS?

Thanks for your input westie, as usaual your banging your same old drum and siding with your buddies.

When one of you guys posts an full photo (face and body of girl without blurring) and she is nice looking / slim and young then why would I not say I like the posted pictures, and congratulate said poster on his good taste.

Unfortunately over the last several years I have been on this forum I have not seen one guy post such a photos on the angeles forum including your good self, when someone does post such I will quite happily say she is good looking and my type, why would I not.

As far as your comment as per member sir lancelet I have sent him a private message saying a meet uo is ok when ever he can, can't be more fair than that, lets see if he actually goes through with a meet up, my nmoney is on its all hot air and dreams but time will tell.

[WestCoast1]

I don't understand why Napa makes so many false claims. I presume he struggles to click with girls, so makes sweeping generalisations that everyone else will have as barren a time as he obviously does.

It does not matter what pics (or kinds of pics) that you, me, or FG (or anyone) post. They will never be pleasing to NS. At least he can never admit that they please him. Even if they are pleasing to him, he has painted himself into a corner and can not admit that your pics are good enough. I liked all of your recent pics. I don't need to see every feature of every girl to know if she's enough to please me.

As he has now admitted to being a face-man, we are all waiting patiently for him to post us pics of several of his girls (complete with face) to see if they measure up to our taste. As he has repeatedly asked us to post pictures, he has never reciprocated when asked.

In addition, from your posting history its easy to see Lance is only in town once or twice a year, was there a month or so ago, and won't be back for at least a few months (or next year). How easy for NS to say that he will meet you next week, when he knows you are not there. Then when you don't meet with him, the blame can be placed on *you*. Sneaky Pete.

NS?

[NapaSlapper]

I cannot stress enough how strongly I disagree with everything Napa says.

I was in Angeles a month ago and fucked some exceptional girls. Napa's claims that westerners won't get any joy in Korean bars is pure fiction. I'm a white guy, late forties from UK, and I bar-fined all six of these girls from Korean bars. One was a 'model' from XS and the waitress and mamasan couldn't have been more helpful. They literally sat either side of me with their laser-pens, pointing out girls. My money was welcomed just as much as the Korean customers. One of the other girls was a black-tape dancer from Avalon, and another from Genesis. As I was chatting with her in the bar, three old Korean men kept staring at us and she whispered to me "they so arrogant, they think I will go to sit with them". I bar-fined her twice. All of these girls were aged 22 or less. Walk down the street and the Korean bar-owners will all try to persuade you to go inside for a drink. They want westerners to have a good time just as much as Koreans.

I don't understand why Napa makes so many false claims. I presume he struggles to click with girls, so makes sweeping generalisations that everyone else will have as barren a time as he obviously does.

If you are reading this forum and toying with the idea of going to Angeles, get yourself booked as soon as possible. You will not regret it. Me and my friend Macca are already planning our next trip.

Thanks for your thoughts, nobody is saying westerners are not welcome in the korean bars for a drink and I have reported such on many occasions, what is sure is that the koreans are number one choice for the girls, westerners can get laid but only by the girls the koreans don't want.

Now onto your posted photos, I am a big face man and unmarked body man as you have chosen to post fully clothed and to blur out the girls faces there is no way of telling how pretty these girls are, yes they look slim but could have a face that is unapealing or a body showing bad signs of child birth.

Quiite happy to meet your good self at any time this week and we can hit the bars of angeles and see how sucessful you are with the type of girls me and my friends would normally choose, quite happy to even have korean friends join us and see who the better looking girls choose in order to put this to bed, thanks.

[Sir Lancelot]

In summing up, Angeles a shadow of its former self, Koreans are by far the dominant numbers, they rule the roost in many ways, they have the best bars and definitely by far the better looking girls on their arm, westerners not so much so, many westerners leaving fields alone or with older, chubbies on their arm, maybe they should have renamed walking st to Korea town rather than red street which would have been a much more fitting name, sorry its not great news for the westerner but in truth its what I see and experience in angeles.

I cannot stress enough how strongly I disagree with everything Napa says.

I was in Angeles a month ago and fucked some exceptional girls. Napa's claims that westerners won't get any joy in Korean bars is pure fiction. I'm a white guy, late forties from UK, and I bar-fined all six of these girls from Korean bars. One was a 'model' from XS and the waitress and mamasan couldn't have been more helpful. They literally sat either side of me with their laser-pens, pointing out girls. My money was welcomed just as much as the Korean customers. One of the other girls was a black-tape dancer from Avalon, and another from Genesis. As I was chatting with her in the bar, three old Korean men kept staring at us and she whispered to me "they so arrogant, they think I will go to sit with them". I bar-fined her twice. All of these girls were aged 22 or less. Walk down the street and the Korean bar-owners will all try to persuade you to go inside for a drink. They want westerners to have a good time just as much as Koreans.

I don't understand why Napa makes so many false claims. I presume he struggles to click with girls, so makes sweeping generalisations that everyone else will have as barren a time as he obviously does.

If you are reading this forum and toying with the idea of going to Angeles, get yourself booked as soon as possible. You will not regret it. Me and my friend Macca are already planning our next trip.

[NeilGeorge]

2025 has been an absolute disaster in terms of visitors, take away the regular expats that live here and the western punter numbers are tiny, never seen it so quiet in the western oriented bars for both punter numbers and girl numbers, what does not help is what few girls are working don't look happy, no smiles, no excitement to see customers, girls sitting playing with phones, girls standing on stage with arms crossed not even moving to the music.



Korean oriented bars.

Its true to say angeles city has has become mainly korean owned, populated, the koreans own the best and biggest bars, have the better looking girls working at their bars, Own multiple restaurants, hotels, grocery stores etc, one could quite mistake being in seoul south Korea while walking in angeles.

Here's a few korean oriented bars I visited with korean friends.

Atlantis bar, remember visiting here on their opening night many moons ago, back then maybe 200-300 very beautiful slim girls on stage average ages 18,there were so many girls one did not know where to look 1st, roll on to today and this bar is a shadow of its former self, maybe 20 girls in total, mostly older, chubbie and not pleasing on the eye, one drink and left.

Gold moon bar, again no where near as good as the recent past, maybe 30 odd girls, some ok looking and slim, some not ok, bought a couple of drinks for us and girls trying to create a party atmosphere but eventually we got bored and left alone.

Madonna bar, again girl numbers down and no where near as nice looking as in the recent past, normally would spend few hours here, buy many lady drinks and sometimes bar fine, but left after the 1st beer.

Xs bar, again has to be said is the best bar angeles city has as far as girl numbers, great shows and some ok looking girls, was not as busy as normal for punters or girls, bought a few drinks for the girls and had a good night.

In summing up, Angeles a shadow of its former self, Koreans are by far the dominant numbers, they rule the roost in many ways, they have the best bars and definitely by far the better looking girls on their arm, westerners not so much so, many westerners leaving fields alone or with older, chubbies on their arm, maybe they should have renamed walking st to Korea town rather than red street which would have been a much more fitting name, sorry its not great news for the westerner but in truth its what I see and experience in angeles.

Why do the Koreans get the slim cute ones? Do they pay more for the barfines? It has to be about money. Can the western guys enter a Korean bar and pay more for a better looking girl?

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[NapaSlapper]

Whats been happening in the bars, clubs and general news and my views over the last few bar hops.

Lets start off with how busy the town is for westerner visitors, well that's easy,2025 has been an absolute disaster in terms of visitors, take away the regular expats that live here and the western punter numbers are tiny, never seen it so quiet in the western oriented bars for both punter numbers and girl numbers, what does not help is what few girls are working don't look happy, no smiles, no excitement to see customers, girls sitting playing with phones, girls standing on stage with arms crossed not even moving to the music.

Western fields sports bar which I reported on opening a month ago on red street was fairly busy its 1st few days with punters trying it out, it has since died a death, the wait staff greatly outnumber the punters when ever I walk past, maybe trying to charge western prices for food and drinks did not go down too well.

Masquarades bar upstairs chill out area, well it opened a few weeks ago, great place to people watch, the seating and bar are along the look out rails is made of glass giving a perfect view over the top and lower parts, some days have live music, visited a few times, like it, its chilled, good prices and friendly staff, perfect people watching spot.

The old envy bar (now hammer resto bar) at tge mouth of walking streetbis prwtty much finished with the renovations and is ready to open any day now, it looks very nice, hope the prices are reasonable for food and drinks other wise can see another empty venue on the horison, time will tell.

Over the last few weeks have popped our heads into the few remaining western oriented bars, champagne bar, lollipop bar, geckos bar, owls nest bar, masquarade bar, mostly stayed for just the one drink, no lady drinks bought and no barfines by me and my western drinking buddies, have to be honest and say girl quality in these bars is low, very low unfortunately, punter drinks 100-140 peso, lady drinks 300-350 peso.

There has been two bars raided recently and closed, club stars was raided and closed due to what I understand was under age girls working there, be careful guys, not all is what it seems in the bars some times.

Korean oriented bars.

Its true to say angeles city has has become mainly korean owned, populated, the koreans own the best and biggest bars, have the better looking girls working at their bars, Own multiple restaurants, hotels, grocery stores etc, one could quite mistake being in seoul south Korea while walking in angeles.

Here's a few korean oriented bars I visited with korean friends.

Atlantis bar, remember visiting here on their opening night many moons ago, back then maybe 200-300 very beautiful slim girls on stage average ages 18,there were so many girls one did not know where to look 1st, roll on to today and this bar is a shadow of its former self, maybe 20 girls in total, mostly older, chubbie and not pleasing on the eye, one drink and left.

Gold moon bar, again no where near as good as the recent past, maybe 30 odd girls, some ok looking and slim, some not ok, bought a couple of drinks for us and girls trying to create a party atmosphere but eventually we got bored and left alone.

Madonna bar, again girl numbers down and no where near as nice looking as in the recent past, normally would spend few hours here, buy many lady drinks and sometimes bar fine, but left after the 1st beer.

Xs bar, again has to be said is the best bar angeles city has as far as girl numbers, great shows and some ok looking girls, was not as busy as normal for punters or girls, bought a few drinks for the girls and had a good night.

In summing up, Angeles a shadow of its former self, Koreans are by far the dominant numbers, they rule the roost in many ways, they have the best bars and definitely by far the better looking girls on their arm, westerners not so much so, many westerners leaving fields alone or with older, chubbies on their arm, maybe they should have renamed walking st to Korea town rather than red street which would have been a much more fitting name, sorry its not great news for the westerner but in truth its what I see and experience in angeles.

[WildInstincts]

Was she supposed to stay all night? So she was a runner?

Was everything covered or did any of the girls do it bare?

Any 3-holers for you?

She said 4 hours when I bar fined her and stayed for 4 hours and 2 pops. I didn't ask for bareback. Also, didn't try anal. The one my friend took was open to bareback but he also used condom.

[NeilGeorge]

Picked up a girl from bad boys around 8 and it went quite ok. Nothing much to brag about. If I remember correctly bar fine was 5 K. She left little after 12.

Was she supposed to stay all night? So she was a runner?

Was everything covered or did any of the girls do it bare?

Any 3-holers for you?

[WildInstincts]

Can't remember all the bars visited. Kinda checked out most. Checked out Madonna around 7 pm. Customer drink is mandatory and it's 250 pesos. Girls wearing gold, red and black. I asked the manager about the difference and he said gold is 12 k pesos, red 10 K and black 7 K. All long term until the next day morning. I finished my drink and left.

Picked up a girl from bad boys around 8 and it went quite ok. Nothing much to brag about. If I remember correctly bar fine was 5 K. She left little after 12.

[WildInstincts]

Back After Two Years:
I returned to AC after nearly two years, and overall, the atmosphere seems improved compared to my last visit. Theres a bit more pedestrian traffic on the red street, and a few new bars have opened. I checked into Central Park in the morning and had a light brunch at Tequila Reef. My friend and I started exploring a little after noon. Since it was quite hot, we ducked into the first bar that invited us in.

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Bar Experiences:
Sky Fall (Korean Bar)
Welcoming atmosphere; staff eagerly invited us in.
Around 10 to 15 young girls present.
My friend found a couple of them interesting but didnt make a choice right away.
Drink Price: 200 pesos

Bar Nana:
Around 15 girls, quite eager to be bar-fined.
Nothing particularly impressive, so we left after finishing our drinks.
Drink Price: 150 pesos.

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Afternoon Break:

We decided to take a much-needed nap before continuing in the evening. Slept until 5 and hit the streets again around 6.

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Evening Exploration:
Lollipop:
Decent number of customers and girls.
A few girls were okay but not very appealing.
Drink Price: 150 pesos (if I recall correctly).
Moved on after finishing the drink.

Viking:
I opted for whiskey instead of SML, given how much I had already consumed.
Drink Prices: SML - 170 pesos, Whiskey - 250 pesos.
Girls were friendly and approached us eagerly.
My friend quickly chose one (5500 pesos until the next morning) and left with her.
I chatted with an outgoing girl but didnt take her out bought her a lady drink instead
Lady Drink Price: 400 pesos.

Club XS:
I visited solo after my friend left. Initially, finding a seat was challenging, but the staff accommodated me.
Noticed a higher number of white customers compared to Koreans, most of whom had a girl with them.
Although I didnt interact with the girls, I plan to find out if theyre primarily for drinks or available to go out.
Oh Im brown, I didnt experience any overt discrimination up until this point.

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Late-Night Adventures:

After a few drinks and shows at Club XS, I headed out to find the next spot. My friend called, complaining that his pick was a dud, so we met up and had dinner at Kokomos. Afterward, we wandered through a few more bars, but by then, I was a bit too tipsy to recall each place.

Mega Dance:
Not comparable to Hi-So, but the current option available.
Some eye-catching girls, though they seemed occupied.
Those giving signals werent particularly attractive.
Around 2 AM, both my friend and I chose one girl each (3000 pesos each until morning).
Both performed reasonably well and left the next day.

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Final Thoughts on Day 1:

Its not all doom and gloom in AC. You can still enjoy yourself with the right mindset and attitude. No one turned us down, and the vibe was generally positive. I plan to revisit Club XS to see if the girls there are exclusively for Korean patrons or more open.

End of Day 1:
Not the most exciting report, but I wanted to share my honest experience on the first day back.

[Locamotive]

I come from Sin City, where you can get whatever you can afford to buy, and I sampled all of it. PH quality of service (not talking about appearance) can be only had if you mortgage your house, I'm talking $10 K, for $1 K you'll get GFE for a few hours. Many will think I'm exaggerating, but unfortunately I'm not. I sampled the 10 K selection also, by having rich friends coming to visit and paying for it, because I didn't lost my mind yet to waste my hard earned $ like that. Also I befriended some of the $10 K and up girls, and I knew them personally. They didn't lack clientele, guys were flying them in private jets, or first class to NY, or elsewhere and paying 10 K a day. 2 of them that used to be my neighbors, one an unemployed lawyer, the other just an ex cocktail waitress, were at my house all day long hanging with my first wife or with me at our pool or jacuzzi, because they were renting and didn't have one. After a year or so, some rich dude bought houses for both of them in Summerlin, where the cheapest one is way over $1 M. As you know for some guys that's chump change. (they never disclosed the benefactors, but I always imagined the Eyes Wide Shut scenario).

All I can think while mongering in SEA is that we are blessed to experience all that for a fraction of the price, minus the caviar and champagne.

True we are blessed, as we are doing what the rich and famous do here. I guess its why friends get pissed when I show them photos or tell stories. I get the look you are a nobody, how is this possible. Yeah Vegas boy that's a good example. Had a rich buddy too and went with him out there allot he pulled some nice ones too 5 k at least but this was 20 years ago. This story I've told before two followed me in a elevator, this was about 5 years ago out for March Madnness. Hello handsome ever had a threesome, uh actually yes about 3 times, they rolled their eyes like yeah right. Well honey for $2500 we will go to your room. Thats just crazy I thought but it gets worse as that was each! They were Asian and one might have been as attractive as my regulars. Girls your cute but that's insane, pulled out my phone and here are my girls. They immediately said well if that's true certainly not in this country. You are correct ladies and for 5 grand that you two are charging I can travel there stay a month and have multiple girls like you all day long. Well they said most men probably don't know that and good luck to you, this aint Asia. I said you can say that again as the elevator door opened, later ladies Later I was thinking as I currently have about 5 regular's if I could get them to Vegas we would all be zillionaires in short order. I guess that's why customs is so strict when you try and take one out. I guess what puzzle's me knowing this when I read a post where guys quibble over 50 bucks for a hottie they really want in PHP. Life is a mystery sometimes.