Angeles City

[Jarango]

At breakfast today, the mamasan told me the wildebeest are on the way back after their Christmas migration to the provinces. Apparently we are now coming into high season and so the hired holes return after their lengthy hiatus. I am not sure how the hookers can afford to burger off for the guts of a month but perhaps one of my 19 year old 10/10's exemplifies. Her boyfriend (wtf) is a retired Korean general. Seems Koreans are the best meal tickets these days.

Most Koreans are seedy looking and many of them have gone to seed before their time. Without Angeles they would be virgins. Very heavy Korean gangster scene here. Quiet but menacing and far too many.

Ex military goons floating to slurp your noodles in peace.

[Mr Enternational]

Women with micky mouse degrees get 500 PHP a day here, the cal centre lot clear about 900 PHP a say and you are paying farm hands multiples of that to do a runner.

I say the same thing, but guys insist because it is sex work, it should be paid as multiples of what regular people make.

[Jarango]

Sounds like either or is a bar owner?

I hang out with the non p4 p locals and they turn me off the hired holes. Lots of nice women here but life is very hard. The prettys are snapped up by rich foreigners / sponsors and my own gifts were refused, showing we have not a clue what the real rules are. The cops hauled in a neighbour for giving a hooker a hard time. She followed him back to the nest and sent the SWAT in on him. A lot to be said for giving this entire shot show a miss.

[KumuMan]

What a frickin fake moron!

Q Bar was never and is not a Korean bar. Mostly Westerners. Even in Avalon Bar during this weekend, the crowd was mostly Westerners. Obviously, you've never been there.

Madonna Bar? Yes, I agree it is a Korean bar. Has a Korean owner, Korean papasan, and mostly Korean clientele. LOL! But bar hopping there on January 18? LOL! It was closed this weekend! It just reopened on the 19th.

But fuck the Madonna Bar! As I tried to enter around opening time of 5 pm, the doorman said there is a mandatory drink required just to view. I was going to buy a beer anyways, but I hate to be forced. I'm not sure if that's the policy for the entire night, or just opening time. Later during the night, they had the curtains fully opened. Not that many girls. Also, I asked him what the barfines were. It was about the same as before, between 6K to 12K. I hope Madonna goes out of business. I hate that business model. Highest barfines for girls that aren't that good. Most of the girls are similar to what you can get at other bars. In caveat though, I haven't seen the top 2 12K "Angels" (I was told that's what the 12K girls are called).

There are some good aspects of Madonna Bar though. I spoke with a semi-regular that used to work at Madonna. She said the girls are "required" to performed for multiple shots. She said you have to do it, even if it is for 5 times. I asked her if the girls are allowed to reject customers. She said it depends. With the issues of human trafficking, I thought the girls would be protected. She said if the papasan hears about it, he will get mad, and ask the girl if they think are are princesses. She said the girls can be fired. But I'm guessing if you are in demand, you won't be. My semi-regular girl isn't that cute. LOL! What the waitress told me a few months ago matches; she said the girls are guaranteed to stay with you long time. With those prices, they should be.

For those that are interested, the Dragon Bar is for sale. It is currently advertised in the Blue Book for 17 million pesos (negotiable). 10 year lease. For a failing business, that is a lot of money. That American that bought that bar is an idiot. Why in the world would an American buy a Korean Bar. It has a bad location, but it was THE top Korean bar a few years ago.

Sounds like either or is a bar owner?

[KumuMan]

Women with micky mouse degrees get 500 PHP a day here, the cal centre lot clear about 900 PHP a say and you are paying farm hands multiples of that to do a runner.

That came out of left field I agree?

[ThreeInches]

I haven't seen the top 2 12K "Angels" (I was told that's what the 12K girls are called).

This kind a defeats the purpose of why I frequent the Philippines I catch girls on their first few days in the bars or at lease first few weeks.

Korean managers always try to push the MOST fucked girl in the bar stating that "they always get bar fined". Why the hell do I want to fuck the MOST fucked girl in the bar?

So I told him I liked new girls and she kind of switched gears. Evidentially that is what these guys like community vetted girls. Personally I am after the constant infux of fresh meat but to each his own. There are plenty of VIP girls I personally got on the VIP list they and the Korean guys who got my sloppy seconds can thank me for that. I catch them early break them in and over multiple bar fines this creates a snowball effects and I move on to the next fresh batch. Its odd how when I'm balls deep in these women the Koreans are not interested but after they get broken in my old bar fines are fully booked.

[Jarango]

Women with micky mouse degrees get 500 PHP a day here, the cal centre lot clear about 900 PHP a say and you are paying farm hands multiples of that to do a runner.

[GreenBud]

Bar hop 18,1,2025.

Korean oriented bars, Atlantis bar, QBar, avalon bar, monsoon bar, gold moon bar madonna bar again very short on girls, what girls were working were not great at all but a step up from the western bar girls, korean punter numbers well down, saw no other westerners in these bars at all.

What a frickin fake moron!

Q Bar was never and is not a Korean bar. Mostly Westerners. Even in Avalon Bar during this weekend, the crowd was mostly Westerners. Obviously, you've never been there.

Madonna Bar? Yes, I agree it is a Korean bar. Has a Korean owner, Korean papasan, and mostly Korean clientele. LOL! But bar hopping there on January 18? LOL! It was closed this weekend! It just reopened on the 19th.

But fuck the Madonna Bar! As I tried to enter around opening time of 5 pm, the doorman said there is a mandatory drink required just to view. I was going to buy a beer anyways, but I hate to be forced. I'm not sure if that's the policy for the entire night, or just opening time. Later during the night, they had the curtains fully opened. Not that many girls. Also, I asked him what the barfines were. It was about the same as before, between 6K to 12K. I hope Madonna goes out of business. I hate that business model. Highest barfines for girls that aren't that good. Most of the girls are similar to what you can get at other bars. In caveat though, I haven't seen the top 2 12K "Angels" (I was told that's what the 12K girls are called).

There are some good aspects of Madonna Bar though. I spoke with a semi-regular that used to work at Madonna. She said the girls are "required" to performed for multiple shots. She said you have to do it, even if it is for 5 times. I asked her if the girls are allowed to reject customers. She said it depends. With the issues of human trafficking, I thought the girls would be protected. She said if the papasan hears about it, he will get mad, and ask the girl if they think are are princesses. She said the girls can be fired. But I'm guessing if you are in demand, you won't be. My semi-regular girl isn't that cute. LOL! What the waitress told me a few months ago matches; she said the girls are guaranteed to stay with you long time. With those prices, they should be.

For those that are interested, the Dragon Bar is for sale. It is currently advertised in the Blue Book for 17 million pesos (negotiable). 10 year lease. For a failing business, that is a lot of money. That American that bought that bar is an idiot. Why in the world would an American buy a Korean Bar. It has a bad location, but it was THE top Korean bar a few years ago.

[PhilJoy]

Have to agree 100%, especially over the last few years, in truth none of the fun of yesteryear remains, no flesh to be seen, very few girl smiles to be seen, crazy girl prices, crazy lady drink prices (small juice most times).

Hi Napa,

I must say I have to agree.

However, I don't think it only applies to AC.

Makati is a rort when it comes to LD's and the like.

In the end, you're paying what you would at home without a guarantee of a decent outcome.

I love the Filipinas, so I'm not giving up on the place anytime soon.

I'm always thinking outside the box and bypass the typical girly bar scene and the results have been very satisying.

Additionally, many guys have recently posted about their adventures to other areas of The Phils and how that has worked out well for them.

I've found that if you put a bit of effort in, you'll find some diamonds in the most unlikely places.

Once you hook up with them, keep in touch via WhatsApp etc. And you'll have a contact ready when you next return to their area / province.

_ Phil.

[Goferring]

Been using dating apps for years with success, like ThaiFriendly in Thailand and Pinalove in The Phills. Pinalove worked well in Manila and other areas, but in Angeles I just can't figure out how to select the correct location area on the search filter: the drop-down menu shows Manila and other cities / provinces, but not Angeles. The closest I can find is Pampanga. But that doesn't work well either because that only shows about 5 girls under 30 years old. What am I missing here? Why isn't Angeles in the locations?

Pinalove's Search function isn't the best. Girls may be in the same location but listed differently depending on how she describes herself or how PL identifies her GPS location.

Time to brush up on your PI geography. LOL. A girl in the area might be described as Pampanga, Angeles, Balibago, Santol etc.

PL accepts cities, location and 'near me'. If you are in town try the near me function and reduce the radius. If you're not, then name a hotel or similar. So it has a discrete place to work off.

Enjoy. G.

[TravelingMan3]

My thoughts on AC as someone who lives in the Mecca of the Asian mongering scene at least (Pattaya). My first trip to AC was in 2015 and even though it wasn't the glory days you still had mega gogos like Dollhouse and Atlantis that had what felt like at least 60 chicks minimum 20 hot ones each night. You go to these places now it's no atmosphere and it's mostly slop leftover chicks. The no atmosphere comment is meant for most of the bars not just the two listed there just no vibe to the place. Then these days chicks say no they don't want to go with you a lot more than in years past so now when your doing a bar crawl around and finally find the one cute enough after two hours of drinking and searching she say no I don't want to go. That is a killer, if this was years ago from the day when I first started going and there were at 10 chicks in her bar they you would take instead then no big deal nowadays that's a big problem.

Now for most that's enough to keep them away however I'll be back in April as I don't want to do Songkran in Pattaya I won't be spending my full time in AC but instead using it to get to where I'm really going and I'll see how it looks. To me part of the reason guys still think AC is even a good mongering destination at this point is because the girls speak English. Chicks not speaking English isn't a big deal to so I rate places like Thailand ahead of it of course but even Indonesia is better cheaper better looking girls and a number of venues to find them at.

Back on AC quality maybe way down but I wrote about this in my report this past July I did see attractive chicks it's just that they all were at Mega Dance and they weren't customers but in fact staff who work at the club. I didn't investigate whether or not they were available and or for how much.

[MongerHunger]

I am not on vacation anymore. I am a retired nomad and staying in different places for months at a time but this is a relatively short visit for me. I have visited a number of cities in the PI in the past but to do the online scene correctly I need more time. I wanted to visit Angeles City for sentimental value and to check out the place for myself after 6 years. I prefer Cebu and Davao City myself. On my next visit to the PI, I will pass on Angeles City and go to Cebu and stay there for a few months and go the online dating route. That is where I think you can have the best experience in the PI but that's just my personal preference.

I was just joking around about how I feel about flying to Clark from Bangkok because it is the opposite of how most guys feel when they are flying to the PI. Usualy excited and can't wait to get there. I will let you know what I think about the current state of Angeles City. I have been out of the loop for 6 years now.

I flew from Bangkok to Clark on Cebu Air. I got into Clark like at 3 in the morning but it was a cheap flight and direct.

[MongerHunger]

Night Moves seems to be the busiest one, last year I paid 2500, but you have to get them earlier, because most of them have to go home to the kids about the time the bar closes.

It was the same BF when I went to Night Moves. Their breakfast food wasn't that bad either. Sometimes the Expats get together and have some steaks there for lunch. Nice group of guys and regulars.

[NapaSlapper]

The reasons guys went to AC are falling away one by one:

Have to agree 100%, especially over the last few years, in truth none of the fun of yesteryear remains, no flesh to be seen, very few girl smiles to be seen, crazy girl prices, crazy lady drink prices (small juice most times).

Going out for a night on walking street is just not cheap any more, and that's even without barfining, a few beers a few lady drinks, some tips and one is 5,000 peso lighter, also flight prices, hotel prices are sky high, want western food then again high prices, want an ok looking girl then good luck trying to compete with the koreans, even if one does get lucky then very average girls are demanding 5 or 6000 peso for a one pop deal, take more than a vew minutes and the princess will start screwing her face up and claiming she's in pain and one takes too long to finish, its true to say that many westerners have voted to not return, this is clear to see and in honesty I can't blame them.

[NapaSlapper]

Bar hop 18,1,2025.

Yes we are into the 3rd week of January what is happening on the town, well it seems that many many girls have not returned to their bars in angeles, to say the town is quiet and the bars even more so is an understatement.

Western oriented bars, Geckos bar, masquarade bar, lollipop bar, la bamba bar, very quiet indeed, although very few customers (mainly expats) there were more customers than girls, what girls were working can only be described as bottom end and that's being kind.

Korean oriented bars, Atlantis bar, QBar, avalon bar, monsoon bar, gold moon bar madonna bar again very short on girls, what girls were working were not great at all but a step up from the western bar girls, korean punter numbers well down, saw no other westerners in these bars at all.

Even angeles by far number 1 bar Xs bar was a shadow of a few months ago, many many regular girl faces I know well were absent, on asking management they said many girls had not returned after the holidays, some girls were due back at some time (unknown) but many girls just could not be contacted and assumed had found other means to earn money (online dating, cam shows, hustling).

I had read some of the recent claims of guys finding 8's,9's and 10's in angeles recently, well all I can say is where? There are very few bars that I do not visit regularly, What I see is girls that are mainly older, fatter and very plain in looks, the very few girls that are just ok in looks, body, age are korean only girls or drinks only girls, westerners in truth are having to greatly lower the bar and consider themselves lucky if even to barfine the left overs, as said, claims of 8's, 9's and 10's are just that claims and nothing more IMHO.