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  1. #24348
    I'm a bit vary on breaking into the heated discussion here, but I just wanted to share an experience with couple of establishments in Pattaya. .

    The first one is (in-) famous Devils Den. I actually had quite low expectations as a lot of reviews I've read were not that great, but I had time to kill before my flight, I already checked out of the hotel and I didn't want to bother with bars and ST rooms, so went to DD.

    It actually exceeded my (low) expectations! I've found the papasan guy to be really helpful and courteous, he explained everything well and he was also clear there is no pressure to select the girls if I don't like any. I ended up picking Vicky and Bee who seemed to be the best options in the lineup. The looks are probably on the level of BKK PSE oilies.

    The room was a bit of let down, just a cramped room with a double bed, even the swing thing wasn't there. But its ok, doesn't really matter but I think the place would really benefit from redecorating the room in more of the sexy devil style, doesn't cost much and would make a difference to the mood.

    The process I found overall to be really nice. Surprisingly nice actually. Vicky spoke pretty decent English (Bee didn't), and overall Vicky was a good choice with good BJ skills and better looks once the clothes were off (Bee wasn't). I wouldn't hesitate to do an outcall with Vicky. The girls would do pretty much whatever you want, they can fuck each other, they can fuck you, you can do a trio, whatever. You need to guide them though. With Vicky speaking decent English it was easy to tell the girls what I wanted. They also were restless, in just over an hour they made me cum 3 times and were eager to go for round 4. The only downside was them chatting to each other in Thai all the time which I don't understand. Not that I care much, but its somehow a bit uncomfortable. Overall, its not cheap, but I felt I got value for my money but I also think I was lucky with the choice of girls, as I've also heard some really mediocre experiences.

    Now, another quick review is of the Kittens BJ bar in Soi Post Office. That was probably the worst BJ I have ever had, and overall the worst value of P4 P experience I've had (only the K-Pressure in HK could compete with that). BJ costs 850 thb and it was just mediocre. And the whole place is bad.

  2. #24347
    Quote Originally Posted by MrManGuy  [View Original Post]
    Enjoy it or move; but don't make out like the best girls are 700 baht on beach road.
    I really don't know if you are just a troll or you don't understand the concept, but is not so difficult to understand. Nobody wrote that the best girls are on BR.

    The points are:
    - is this possible to have ST in Pattaya for less than 1000 baht? Yes.
    - is safe to pick up girls on BR? Yes.
    - All girls in BR are sick? No.
    - All girls in BR are thief? No.

    Are you sure that all gogo girls or bar girls or freelancers in Ibar don't have any STD or HIV? You can't be sure!
    Are you sure that a girl who stay on BR at 10pm not go to WS disco after midnight? No, you can't be sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrManGuy  [View Original Post]
    What is on beach road are girls who can't work in establishments; ask yourself why? She is either a thief, has HIV
    Again, stop to write these fucking BS! Maybe they dont want work in establishments. Your accusations are simply false you can't generalize, you do not know what you're talking about.

  3. #24346

    Really?. Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrManGuy  [View Original Post]

    The one thing I agree on is competition for girls can get tough. That rightly leads to price increases.
    Quote Originally Posted by MrManGuy  [View Original Post]
    Because of racism against us in Japan and Korea.

    Asians are superior as customers in Thailand. They have more money than the average westerner and they stay at the best hotels and can afford the best hookers. Girls don't want to argue with some idiot American who thinks 1997 prices should still apply. They are there to make a profit and make the most profit with Asian customers. It pisses me off; as this low balling is making girls think twice about westerners.

    How far this goes is anyone's guess. I won't pay much more than 7000 for LT and of it goes to 10 I won't go around saying the best girls are on beach road I'll say they are still in the GoGos but I won't pay what's being asked because its too much for me personally for what's on offer.

    I am against members of this forum making out that the Koreans and Japanese are stupid and over paying for girls. They are just paying the market rate for quality. There is a lot of hidden racism against the Thai on here; implying that because a girl is thai then she can't be worth more than 1 k which is BS.

    It's almost 2020. The world changed. Prices went up. Enjoy it or move; but don't make out like the best girls are 700 baht on beach road. What is on beach road are girls who can't work in establishments; ask yourself why? She is either a thief, has HIV or is too ugly for a bar. If she was a good looking part time freelancer she would be at ibar, with all the other lookers, but I don't recommend that either and those girls usually charge more than 1 k.
    I actually lost a billion brain cells reading this.....
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  4. #24345
    Quote Originally Posted by MrManGuy  [View Original Post]
    It's almost 2020. The world changed. Prices went up. Enjoy it or move; but don't make out like the best girls are 700 baht on beach road. What is on beach road are girls who can't work in establishments; ask yourself why? She is either a thief, has HIV or is too ugly for a bar. If she was a good looking part time freelancer she would be at ibar, with all the other lookers, but I don't recommend that either and those girls usually charge more than 1 k.
    Prices of what have gone up? My rent is still the same 4500 baht that it was 8 years ago. Baht bus still 10 baht. Fruit on the street still 10 baht.

    As for FL on Beach Rd, a lot of them have normal jobs in the day and kids at home so they are not trying to work in a gogo bar or be in a party scene. Hell, most of the guys in this forum don't even like going to iBar, but you expect her to have a physical or medical defect if a BR FL doesn't want to go? Not every woman in Pattaya was sent there from across the country by their families. Some actually do live in Pattaya with their families and can not be out partying at all hours. So they go out to get the quick money and take their asses back home.

    And as on FL that I used to deal with told me, if someone would give me 10K baht/month I could keep my ass home and not have to do this anymore. That is why giving chicks 5000 baht and shit like that seems ridiculous to me.

  5. #24344
    Quote Originally Posted by MrManGuy  [View Original Post]
    The prices are still a pittance. Europeans and Americans have experienced savage wage depression and economic inequality so are now not so rich as they once were. While many outside of the USA and Europe have seen fabulous increases in disposable income and they want to shove it in some pussy.

    The one thing I agree on is competition for girls can get tough. That rightly leads to price increases.
    You have got to be one of the most uninformed people wrt to American's net worth.

    1. Most Americans have had huge gains on their primary home since real estate prices have gone up quite a bit since 2009. People on the east coast and west coast have seen their home prices double or triple. Heck even in many Texas cities they have doubled during that time.

    2. During the same period, stock prices have also more than doubled even considering or after returning to prior highs from before the financial crisis of 2008. The vast majority of Americans have significant assets in their 401 K.

    Those making minimum wage or say even $50 k per year are NOT the type of Americans who even have a passport, let alone come to Thailand.

    Asians tend to spend more when they drink and smoke, IMO, because it's also a socially liberating venue for them.

    Asians do not have Mexico, Central America or South America close to them. So, they mostly prefer to stay in Asia whereas Americans are coming here and also in the other geographic regions.

    Finally, there are some people who have $ but keep it quiet and are happy to see others part with their money and quietly smile on the inside knowing they could easily spend two or three times more than many of the Asians in Pattaya, and not care,! But are simply not going to do that here.

    So, I think you are comparing apples to oranges. Just like the Russians who come to Pattaya are not the rich Russians, or even upper middle class Russians. I see very very few upper middle class Americans here. Mostly young guys with limited $ and net worth. A very large number of the Americans I know can drop $25 K in a month but simply are not going to. Why? Because over 95 pc of the girls in Pattaya simply are not in that class.

    Even today there are more millionaires in the US than in Japan, Korea , China, India or Europe. Thatís a fact.

  6. #24343

    Terminal 21?

    How's it coming along? Was trying to find an opening date, did find an article about the concern of the mall owners of the increase in online buying in Thailand. Guess amazon is cutting into everybody's profit.

  7. #24342
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    I was about to ask the same question. How is everyone so privy to what the Japanese and Korean mongers pay chicks? For all we know they could be paying half as much as you.
    Mr. E.

    I'll humor him? For those guys who always think they are part of the big dick department with the 3-3-3 thinking? Is that a good enough reason they should get the pay less menu?

  8. #24341
    The prices are still a pittance. Europeans and Americans have experienced savage wage depression and economic inequality so are now not so rich as they once were. While many outside of the USA and Europe have seen fabulous increases in disposable income and they want to shove it in some pussy.

    The one thing I agree on is competition for girls can get tough. That rightly leads to price increases.

  9. #24340

    Ok something for you guys to argue about. Finally

    Every year, particularly in recent years, more guys are flocking to Pattaya thinking this is where there is mongering arbitrage. Ready to be picked or found. Unfortunately, nowadays many of the newcomers come here and discover that - No - things are not so easy in this marketplace.

    The global economy, cheaper air fares, and supply of Hotel rooms, apartments etc brings more guys here for 5 days or less for a cost of maybe $700 for air fare and hotel / incidentals. Maybe these guys budget say another $500 for drinks and girls.

    This very same global economy and the internet options have reduced the supply of quality girls in Pattaya.

    Unfortunately for them girls under 25 who are 6. 5 and above at a go go means drinks, bar fine and a ST go go girl 6. 5-7. 5 is 1,000 (drinks), 1000-1500 bar fine and 4,000 for the girl. LT total cost is 8-9 K.

    After 3 days, these guys have only their day 4 and 5 left and a total sunk cost of close to $800-$1000 for their entire trip. So, on day 4 and 5 most of these guys have their backs against the wall. Pay up or go home with a 5 or under or over 35 yo from a beer bar for a total cost of 3. 5 k.

    What does this MEAN IN TERMS OF NUMBERS?

    If the 5 day average trip for guys coming here is correct then on any given day about 40 PERCENT of ALL the guys visiting here are on their day 4 or 5 with 48 hours or less behore they have to leave.

    So, with 40 pc of visiting guys with their backs against the wall on a given day and the total sunk cost of their trip (due to demand being much greater than supply) go go prices are increasing rapidly.

    Guys are flocking to the discos but many of these guys who seem confident in a go go bar don't seem to have the courage to propose to a girl. Or they donít have any game . They just clam up. And both the quantity and quality of girls at the discos are also way down. So, lots of frustrated guys in general and on this board. Things are definitely a lot more challenging folks.

  10. #24339

    Valid Point.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]
    I agree with this 100%. These are who I call the Weekend Millionaires. When I was just a tourist I had no problem spending 10,000+ baht per day since I knew it was only going to be for a week or 2. Now that I live here I work hard to keep my daily expenses a fraction of that amount. It can easily get out of hand. Only a handful of Japanese / Korean spend a ton of money throwing ping pong balls and 20 baht bills while sitting with 4 girls and buying all wait staff drinks. These are the guys who are noticeable. Many just sit there and do not buy lady drinks or sit with 1 girl like everyone else. OTH, I know Indian guys who would put us all to shame with the amount of lady drinks they buy girls.
    I have seen in Indian clubs, guys throwing bundles of THB on dancing girls on the stage in a matter of seconds and this is some moolah TBH and for what? Girls who, to my knowledge, are off the table anyways. I think it all comes down to how well heeled you are along with the duration of your stay and the type of experience / memories you are trying to make. A guy with a budget of 100K THB spread over a period of a week would have spending pattern that would appear extravagant, to the point of being vulgar, to a guy with the same budget to last him for a couple of months. Also, it is about priorities. There are many guys out there who are quite well off but would not throw away serious scratch just to prove a point or merely to be a cynosure of all watching. I have seen people in clubs paying 1 k THB to have their picture flashed on the screen for just a couple of minutes, which to a hobbyist, would be quite ridiculous as it is not for services rendered. This is just my opinion. Feel free to disagree. Enjoy!

  11. #24338
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    I was about to ask the same question. How is everyone so privy to what the Japanese and Korean mongers pay chicks? For all we know they could be paying half as much as you.
    Good point Mr. ENT. As a matter of fact I know for sure that they only pay half as much. As you!

    Hahaha. LOL. Hey, don't kill the messenger bro! Take it easy. Take it easy now.

    I think I'm the only guy with the courage (I didn't say balls) to bust your chops. Happy travels.

  12. #24337
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Perhaps. But I can't say I have observed Asian men escorting the best looking Thai bargirls or Freelancers by any world standard around either Pattaya or Bangkok.
    I'm sure you have observed enough over the years to realize that the majority of Asian men and Farang are opposite ends of the spectrum as to what a good looking Thai girl looks like. Asian men want girls who look like Kpop, Jpop, or JAV models ie. Those with nose jobs and cutesy like at Baccara. They aren't easy to find outside a gogo bar or a Thai bar off the beaten track imo. Farang prefer the traditional Thai look like at Windmill, Sapphire, iBar, and the LK Metro bars. Unfortunately, I have the tastes of Japanese / Korean. Wish it were different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nite Owl  [View Original Post]
    As for my 5 nights in Pattaya, I plan on also hitting up the infamous Soi 6, Walking Street, BR, and the Soi's in between. It was Halloween night 2006 when I was there and I made one pass straight down Walking Street, not going into any bars and ended up at some pier, or something like that, down at the very end. I had planned on going back up and checking out some gogos but ended up chatting up this freelancer at the pier and next thing I know we are on a baht bus and heading back to Areca Lodge. We ended up staying the remainder of the night at my room doing the deed. So, that was the extent of my Walking Street experience. This time my game plan is to take in Walking Street in all its glory. I hope the plans don't get changed this time but I have allotted myself more time in Pattaya this time.

    I definitely plan on checking out 808 club, Flexx club, and Insomnia. I am a Hip-Hop head so 808 and Flexx sound like some clubs I will like and put me in the mood of being in the Hip Hop clubs I like and have frequented here in the States. I don't know the format of Insomnia but as long as it's Hip-Hop, EDM, or an EDM / Hip Hop mix as they like to do these days, then I am in my element. I know I will like that aspect of going on the hunt in those clubs as, in my mind, it still will be easier sealing the deal with the freelancers there than it is working the clubs here in the States. Cheaper too.

    I don't know how I will feel about Agogos but I am going to give them a try. I have spent a lot of time over the years going to the hardcore, raunchy Strip clubs that you find in the Southern parts of the USA so I don't know how much the Agogo girls here will impress me but you never know until you give them a try. In RTFF and doing research, it looks like Windmill is a place I will definitely stop into. I also see the same owners have Sugarbaby and Anabelle's (I think that's the name) so they may be worth a visit too. Sapphire sounds like another place worth at least taking a peek into. Any other suggestions will be appreciated. I like the kind of places where the girls are friendly and will let your hands roam all over (think Hong Kong club in Tijuana, Mexico for those that have been). I have set aside $1000 USD as my straight ST / LT, barfine, LD, tip budget so I am hoping that will allow me to enjoy myself thoroughly. If needed, I have another $500 reserve to that budget but I am hoping I don't get that carried away. A man has to have control, ya know. Then again, I would not have that reserve if I didn't think there was a possibility of dipping into it. We shall see.
    Glad to see you spent time RTFF. It will make your trip much more enjoyable but, as you already figured out on your first trip to Pattaya, things never go according to plan in Thailand!

    LK Metropole is literally steps to LK Metro. There is a short cut from the hotel lot into LK Metro. you don't have to walk out to Soi Diana.

    Your budget of $200 USD per night for hobbying only is a generous one and should be sufficient unless you plan on doing 3 or 4 girls per day. Even so, you are still well within budget for 3 or 4 Soi 6 girls per day.

    According to some (many) on here the quality has gone to the sh1tter since 2006. Glad you're coming here with a positive attitude instead of some on this board living in the past.

    As for gogo bars, you don't need to restrict your bars to the likes of Windmill, Sugar Babies, etc. for hands on action. They are not known to have very good looking girls. It's standard for hands on action in any bar except for maybe Sensations and to some extent Happy.

  13. #24336
    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWolff  [View Original Post]
    The only observation I made is. Tourists who come for a week or less tend to spend a bit more and enjoy the time rather than nickel and dime at every place. To say that a certain race pays more for less is not a compliment but an insult IMHO.
    I agree with this 100%. These are who I call the Weekend Millionaires. When I was just a tourist I had no problem spending 10,000+ baht per day since I knew it was only going to be for a week or 2. Now that I live here I work hard to keep my daily expenses a fraction of that amount. It can easily get out of hand. Only a handful of Japanese / Korean spend a ton of money throwing ping pong balls and 20 baht bills while sitting with 4 girls and buying all wait staff drinks. These are the guys who are noticeable. Many just sit there and do not buy lady drinks or sit with 1 girl like everyone else. OTH, I know Indian guys who would put us all to shame with the amount of lady drinks they buy girls.

  14. #24335
    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWolff  [View Original Post]
    So humor me.

    Why do the high end soapies have a different (cheaper) rate card for japs / Koreans?

    If they are happy to willingly pay higher rates for the same girl and Service, wouldn't the establishments charge them more without worrying about antagonizing them?

    The money is in the Far East?

    To say that all japs / Koreans are rich and splurge is similar to saying all Americans are rich or all Indians are poor. It's just a stupid statement.

    In my previous life I sold homes to all races which included a whole bunch of Koreans and guess what, they are as demanding if not more than a typical westerner when it comes to money and goods.

    The only observation I made is. Tourists who come for a week or less tend to spend a bit more and enjoy the time rather than nickel and dime at every place. To say that a certain race pays more for less is not a compliment but an insult IMHO.
    Because of racism against us in Japan and Korea.

    Asians are superior as customers in Thailand. They have more money than the average westerner and they stay at the best hotels and can afford the best hookers. Girls don't want to argue with some idiot American who thinks 1997 prices should still apply. They are there to make a profit and make the most profit with Asian customers. It pisses me off; as this low balling is making girls think twice about westerners.

    How far this goes is anyone's guess. I won't pay much more than 7000 for LT and of it goes to 10 I won't go around saying the best girls are on beach road I'll say they are still in the GoGos but I won't pay what's being asked because its too much for me personally for what's on offer.

    I am against members of this forum making out that the Koreans and Japanese are stupid and over paying for girls. They are just paying the market rate for quality. There is a lot of hidden racism against the Thai on here; implying that because a girl is thai then she can't be worth more than 1 k which is BS.

    It's almost 2020. The world changed. Prices went up. Enjoy it or move; but don't make out like the best girls are 700 baht on beach road. What is on beach road are girls who can't work in establishments; ask yourself why? She is either a thief, has HIV or is too ugly for a bar. If she was a good looking part time freelancer she would be at ibar, with all the other lookers, but I don't recommend that either and those girls usually charge more than 1 k.

  15. #24334
    Quote Originally Posted by LoneWolff  [View Original Post]
    So humor me.
    Why do the high end soapies have a different (cheaper) rate card for japs / Koreans?
    I was about to ask the same question. How is everyone so privy to what the Japanese and Korean mongers pay chicks? For all we know they could be paying half as much as you.

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