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  1. #28034
    Parked my bike on 2nd Rd to walk down to my tailor on Beach Rd since the sois and BR were closed due to the fireworks show. When I got back to my bike a chick at the massage parlor that I parked in front of was trying to call me over for a massage. I said I don't like massages. She said boom boom then. I said I like boom boom. I told her to come over to my bike and I asked how much. She said 1200 and they have rooms upstairs. I told her 1200 is for LT. She said 200 goes to the shop for massage. I said 200 for shop and 500 for you. The farthest she would go down was 700 for her and 200 for the shop. I declined and left.

    I also went to my watch lady before I went to my tailor. It was about 8:30. I was looking for a white Chanel watch for my aunt to match the black one that I bought her years ago. She said 2200 baht. I said be for real. You know me better than that. Then she said 1850. I said 1800. Deal. I gave her the money and she did the blessing that they all do for the first money of the day. I thought she was joking. 8:30 pm and I was the first customer. With that and the chick at the massage shop, I guess things are really that slow around here.

  2. #28033
    Quote Originally Posted by FLHawk  [View Original Post]
    My desire to repeat and grow these feelings with Secret may drive me back to Thailand in 3 months rather than the normal 6 months. And will I skip seeing the GF again on that trip? Argh!
    You're on a slippery slope my friend. 6 months turns to 3 months, 3 months turns to monthly. Better start looking at renting a condo soon. Frequent visitors much better off renting a small condo for around 15 k baht per month. Under 10k per month if you have a motorbike.

  3. #28032
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBigMan  [View Original Post]
    Not a knock, your answer is the main reason the excuse can be used?
    Not sure I understand the question or what you are getting at, so I will step in. I did have an underlying reason for not getting out of bed to pay her. For one, I had paid her pretty well already so she had thousands of baht more already than she would have had if I had not returned from China. I mean, Soi 6 was not very busy and I doubt she would have had many, if any, upstairs customers. But mainly it was a test I suppose. Had she stopped at the door to demand money, it would have told me the whole thing was fake. That she didn't stop told me that there was a least a possibly it was real. But either way, I knew I was going to return to Pattaya and she would get her money, even if 6 months late. I was not going to renege on my debt, and I am sure she will need the money just as much in the future as she did then.

    But I thank Turgid for his comment. Secret is one of the good ones and I am fortunate to have gotten to know her. My problem now is how to proceed! I am beginning to see how some dudes fall in love with bar girls! Haha There is no way I can let Secret steal me away from my Thai GF, but every sexual-related issue I have with the GF I do not have with Secret, and that is proving to be a problem for me to deal with. For one example, the GF has vaginal issues. Her recently-virgin pussy simply does not feel good to me. I have to work very hard to come with her, and more often than not I simply give up with it (like when wearing a condom with bar girls)! It was hard work and took nearly 3 years to take her virginity and now it remains hard work to simply come. I don't understand why! With Secret, she feels wonderful and I can hold her tight and barely move insider her and it feels like heaven. Sigh. My desire to repeat and grow these feelings with Secret may drive me back to Thailand in 3 months rather than the normal 6 months. And will I skip seeing the GF again on that trip? Argh!

  4. #28031
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    I am not one to part with my money easily but from what you have accounted I would have had absolutely no reservations in sending her money.
    Not a knock, your answer is the main reason the excuse can be used?

  5. #28030
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    Why is it that 100% of the time when I meet a chick online and ask where she works then her answer is always "Pattaya?" Have to dig down deeper and she will tell me the soi. Have to dig down even deeper and she will finally come out with the name of the place she actually works, which was the original question. Exact same thing when I ask where they live. Hell, Pattaya is in their profile, so it seems obvious that is the city where they live and work.
    I guess they don't give you this information right away for the same reason that you don't tell them right away in which hotel / apartment you are staying. So for safety reasons.

  6. #28029
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    Why is it that 100% of the time when I meet a chick online and ask where she works then her answer is always "Pattaya?" Have to dig down deeper and she will tell me the soi. Have to dig down even deeper and she will finally come out with the name of the place she actually works, which was the original question. Exact same thing when I ask where they live. Hell, Pattaya is in their profile, so it seems obvious that is the city where they live and work.
    I have had Thailand as the answer occasionally. I often wonder are they bored and that is a game to play to pass the time? But more likely it is a combination of lost in translation and the opinion that farang are stupid and need to be spoken to as a child. I used to think it was an evasive tactic but it is not that, because they want you to find them but maybe they are thinking they can make you think they are a good girl who doesn't work in a bar. Probably the best answer is that they are Thai and women.

  7. #28028
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    Why is it that 100% of the time when I meet a chick online and ask where she works then her answer is always "Pattaya?" Have to dig down deeper and she will tell me the soi. Have to dig down even deeper and she will finally come out with the name of the place she actually works, which was the original question. Exact same thing when I ask where they live. Hell, Pattaya is in their profile, so it seems obvious that is the city where they live and work.
    Kind of similar trying to find out how long they have been in Pattaya. I always seem to get the answer of a week or a month. I can rarely get out of them if that is the time since they first came to Pattaya or from when they got back from their last trip home (or from wherever). When I try to seek clarification they look at me as if they don't understand what I am asking. So, if you ask "How long have you lived / stayed / been / worked in Pattaya", even if they first came there 10 years ago, you will likely hear "one month". On occasional you will hear "I am new", or another girl will introduce her as being new, then you can believe them when they say they have been in Pattaya for a week or two, but otherwise, who knows?

  8. #28027

    Hmmm

    Why is it that 100% of the time when I meet a chick online and ask where she works then her answer is always "Pattaya?" Have to dig down deeper and she will tell me the soi. Have to dig down even deeper and she will finally come out with the name of the place she actually works, which was the original question. Exact same thing when I ask where they live. Hell, Pattaya is in their profile, so it seems obvious that is the city where they live and work.

  9. #28026
    Quote Originally Posted by FLHawk  [View Original Post]
    .............Her: Yesterday I was paying for my son's school. Today I have to spend more. I want to ask you. Do you give to me?..................
    I am not one to part with my money easily but from what you have accounted I would have had absolutely no reservations in sending her money.

  10. #28025

    Final trip report and comments

    Guys, I am back home and have the time to complete my Pattaya trip report. To refresh everyone, I was in Pattaya from April 16 to May 8, with 3 nights in Beijing, from May 5 to 8. The last report ended during the evening of May 7th, a Friday, with my new Pattaya GF who I called Secret (as I chose not to identify her), where I skipped dinner and all the other Soi 6 bar girls to be with.

    Unfortunately, our final night was a little disappointing. After I barfined her we walked back to the hotel on BR, where there was a festival going on with lots of sidewalk food. I was hungry and had intended to go to Terminal 21 for KFC (the only place I have found with free soda refills) before seeing her, but I guess I was hungrier for Secret and ended up with her where I long timed her for the third straight night. Back at the hotel she took a nap and I was getting a tad upset about it after an hour went by. I decided to leave her and ended up at Rosie's on Soi 7. I have walked past it many times but never went in, and when I saw they had chicken breasts, which I was craving, I went it. Nice place, but the chicken was sliced, and I believe processed, and breaded. It was not a full chicken breast I am used to back home. Not what I was wanting! I suppose I was gone for an hour and I suppose I was getting a little guilty about it (sorry Mr. E! I was texting with Banana Boy and got worried that she was going to wake up and, finding me gone, she would up and leave to return to Soi 6, and it would be hard to get her away from there. Anyway, when I got back she was sitting up in bed on her phone and said nothing about my absence, but she did say she was now hungry and wanted to consume sidewalk food on BR. Fine.

    She got whatever she got (can't remember now) and we came back to the hotel, then after she finished eating we headed back to WS and House of Stones one more time. I said we couldn't stay too long as we had to get up early to head back to BKK, where I was taking a flight home, and she was to meet her aunt or someone and otherwise catch a bus from there to go to her aunt or sister's and then go home to take care of school for her son. The music was good and we left about 12:30 AM, but back at the hotel she seemed a bit distant to me. Normally she cuddled up to me and kissed me, but this time she laid down on her side, facing away from me, without touching me. I had actually noticed this distance starting at the club. Was she upset that I left her? I asked if she was ok and she said yes. I said, no, you aren't ok, that I could tell something was wrong, and she then admitted to a headache. At the hotel, showers over, and being our last night together I wanted to have bare sex with her one more time, as who knows when I might get it again! She was not volunteering sex like she had done every night before, and I felt here is that word again guilty about forcing myself on her. I had not yet paid her anything or even agreed to pay her anything, so it was not like she was withholding anything from me that we had expressly agreed to, and if she kept her legs closed, then I would pay her accordingly the next morning. But I went on and touched her and she submitted, and with lots or oral she stayed wet, seemingly came, but me having come for the last two nights with her, and me still sensing that things were off, I could not get off and, surprisingly to her, I rolled off and took my shower. She stayed in bed and gave a kiss when I came back, but no cuddling.

    She had said previously she would get up early, go back to Soi 6 to get some laundry and things, then come back to me for the limo / taxi to BKK. She did wake up early and dress while I at first slept, then when she was nearly ready to leave, awake, I sat up in bed. She came over, kissed me and said goodbye. Huh? Aren't you coming back? She said, no, this was goodbye. I guess we had miscommunication problem. I said I thought we were going to Bangkok together, but she said no, and said she had told me last night. I was not happy but kept quiet, confused as to what had happened for her to suddenly act a bit cold / distant to me. As she left, I thought about my need to pay her, but said nothing and she left without asking. I had money lying out by the door that she had to have seen, but the only thing she said as she left was goodbye.

    Remember when I left for China, she sent me many texts, asking when I would be back, saying how much she missed me, how she had to sleep alone without me and was sad, etc. This time, I got nothing. Well, OK then, perhaps this is the best way to end things. I don't want her to fall in love with me or to have any false hopes, and I need to get her off my mind so I don't think about her too much as well! I mean, I had been starting to understand why guys can fall in love with bar girls!

    I will be brief here, but we did resume our conversations a day or so later. I will transcribe a bit of our conversation that we had when she was home with her son, which may be relevant to some extent:

    Her: Yesterday I was paying for my son's school. Today I have to spend more. I want to ask you. Do you give to me?

    So, here I think, here it comes. She is going to ask me for money. But. I DO owe her money!

    Hawk: You left too soon. I had money out for you. I was surprised you were not coming back to me. I did not think to tell you to get it.

    Her: I said I didn't go back. Because my sister is waiting. I'm sorry for coming out too soon.

    Hawk: I didn't know where she was waiting.

    Her: My sister waited for me at Rangsit. (She had mentioned Rangsit the night before, but I did not relate that to her canceling out on riding with me to BKK.).

    Hawk: It is ok. I pay you in November.

    Her: I had to hurry to travel. It's too long. (She means November is too far away.).

    Hawk: Should have asked me.

    Her: OK.

    Me: Sorry I was too sad to think of it.

    Her: Never mind.

    Then she asked if I was ok and if I was home yet. And that, to this day, is the only time she had mentioned money. And since that time, we have both engaged in saying we miss each other, that we hate sleeping alone, etc. If she is dishing it out to me, I am dishing it back. She sent me pictures of herself with her son and with some other family members and has said a time or two that she loves me.

    I will say that her texts have convinced me that I have at least one more Pattaya trip in me. But I will end the trip report here the trip has ended, and it is starting to lead to another topic.

    But this trip was certainly interesting. It began with me concentrating of multiple girls on Soi 6 and Red Car, and ended up with me concentrating on a Soi 6 BG who was acting like a wonderful GF in many ways. Though I have occasionally criticized others for spending too much time with just one girl when they go to Pattaya, when I concentrated on Secret, some of the sex was almost transcendental. It is something I have rarely experienced, and something I LET myself experience. With the normal bar girl, sex was mechanical and largely a disappointment, but going bare back with Secret a couple of times became deep as I got comfortable and even trusting of her. Perhaps she was faking a part of it, but I let it feel real and I wanted all I could get of it before I had to leave.

    I have to admit I want more of it. Though I do not want to give up the side sex either!

    I am not in love with Secret. She is half my age, she has a son, she is pretty but not especially hot to where I would risk embarrassment to be seen at home with, plus she is, well, what she is a bar girl. Possibly a very sweet and caring bar girl who has somehow fallen for me, but I have my Thai GF who definitely loves me and has proven it time after time, of who my thoughts have kept me grounded. Sort of. Sigh.

    But I diverting from this being a trip report, so I end it here. Hope you guys have enjoyed it.

  11. #28024
    Quote Originally Posted by DeathWish  [View Original Post]
    Well I did pay her 5 k per day for the three days I was here. I did take her shopping.
    So now the truth comes out. If I was her then I would ask for money too since you are giving it out like that. It always amazes me when guys talk about how much a chick they are paying likes them. And on top of that they are afraid to lose a chick they are giving money to. And that much fucking money to boot! Trust me, she ain't going nowhere. When they land a big cow they want to milk it while it lasts.

    I will also add that with you giving her that much money then she still possibly has some of it left, unless she has purchased a big ticket item, or her family was behind on bills to a loanshark or she takes her friends out partying every night. Remember my room in Pattaya costs 4500/month. So for everyday she spent with you, her room was paid for for 1 month. That is why we are rich foreigners to them.

    P. S. Also not sure why it would matter if a chick you are paying knows about your previous encounters. As one poster duly noted, one tenet of paying is so that there will be no strings attached. So it would not matter what she knew. Hell, she could even go with you to look for more chicks if you are paying.

    Perfect time for my favorite meme. I swear you guys do it to yourselves.
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  12. #28023
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    . Hence BB got no requests for money, or is omitting those cases.
    Why would I omit it. Maybe it's because the girls I usually choose make more money than most guys on this board. Minimum 5000 baht per day on boom plus 1000 to 2000 baht on salary and lady drinks. Not even including money from their multiple Sponsors. I would just laugh if a girl who made this kind of cash asked me for money.

    Imo if a girl asks you for money you've let on that you like them too much and you're an easy mark. I never let girls know if I like them a lot or make any promises to them. Girls want a challenge. You'd be surprised how much more appealing you look if you appear to be unattainable.

  13. #28022

    Money requested after returning home.

    I kept contact with three women I met my last two trips to Thailand. The two I met on Thaicupid immediately had emergencies that required money. Both live in villages in Northern Thailand, and both wanted money for doctors. I felt these two got enough money out of me when I was there, and this was just plain insulting so I stopped lining with both. Further I thought neither were good long term GF material, though I spent a week with each.

    The third is a prostitute I met on Beach Road about 4 months ago, we got along great there and we have lined extensively since. She is yet to ask me for money. Even when she went back to her home village to take care of her family, she never asked for a dime. She knows it will be months before I return, but she messages me everyday.

  14. #28021
    Quote Originally Posted by Ebauche  [View Original Post]
    Was she a "freebie" during your visit. For easy ability to make a clean break, if needed, you likely should have provided a "gift" before departing. If she's maintaining her own illusion that she's not peddling her ass, the gift merely would've been because you "care" and didn't want her to financially suffer because she devoted so much loving time to you. Or, an outright per diem fee for the fuckfest you enjoyed.

    But after the fact? No. If you do, it will be astounding how many sick relatives and water buffalo regularly befall the poor lass.
    Well I did pay her 5 k per day for the three days I was here. I did take her shopping. We did enjoy lunch dinner breakfast together. She knew about my previous encounters as well. Anyhow just to update she has not yet asked me for anything apart from missing her grandmom. So I am relieved that I was wrong. Feeling like a thousand bucks. And have already booked my tickets to return here on my trip to China in July end.

  15. #28020
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    That has to be the dullest conversation I have ever read.
    Normal everyday life is not as glamorous for everyone else as it is for you. The point was not to show excitement, but to show people can mention someone being sick without it meaning they will ask for money.

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