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    Final trip report and comments

    Guys, I am back home and have the time to complete my Pattaya trip report. To refresh everyone, I was in Pattaya from April 16 to May 8, with 3 nights in Beijing, from May 5 to 8. The last report ended during the evening of May 7th, a Friday, with my new Pattaya GF who I called Secret (as I chose not to identify her), where I skipped dinner and all the other Soi 6 bar girls to be with.

    Unfortunately, our final night was a little disappointing. After I barfined her we walked back to the hotel on BR, where there was a festival going on with lots of sidewalk food. I was hungry and had intended to go to Terminal 21 for KFC (the only place I have found with free soda refills) before seeing her, but I guess I was hungrier for Secret and ended up with her where I long timed her for the third straight night. Back at the hotel she took a nap and I was getting a tad upset about it after an hour went by. I decided to leave her and ended up at Rosie's on Soi 7. I have walked past it many times but never went in, and when I saw they had chicken breasts, which I was craving, I went it. Nice place, but the chicken was sliced, and I believe processed, and breaded. It was not a full chicken breast I am used to back home. Not what I was wanting! I suppose I was gone for an hour and I suppose I was getting a little guilty about it (sorry Mr. E! I was texting with Banana Boy and got worried that she was going to wake up and, finding me gone, she would up and leave to return to Soi 6, and it would be hard to get her away from there. Anyway, when I got back she was sitting up in bed on her phone and said nothing about my absence, but she did say she was now hungry and wanted to consume sidewalk food on BR. Fine.

    She got whatever she got (can't remember now) and we came back to the hotel, then after she finished eating we headed back to WS and House of Stones one more time. I said we couldn't stay too long as we had to get up early to head back to BKK, where I was taking a flight home, and she was to meet her aunt or someone and otherwise catch a bus from there to go to her aunt or sister's and then go home to take care of school for her son. The music was good and we left about 12:30 AM, but back at the hotel she seemed a bit distant to me. Normally she cuddled up to me and kissed me, but this time she laid down on her side, facing away from me, without touching me. I had actually noticed this distance starting at the club. Was she upset that I left her? I asked if she was ok and she said yes. I said, no, you aren't ok, that I could tell something was wrong, and she then admitted to a headache. At the hotel, showers over, and being our last night together I wanted to have bare sex with her one more time, as who knows when I might get it again! She was not volunteering sex like she had done every night before, and I felt here is that word again guilty about forcing myself on her. I had not yet paid her anything or even agreed to pay her anything, so it was not like she was withholding anything from me that we had expressly agreed to, and if she kept her legs closed, then I would pay her accordingly the next morning. But I went on and touched her and she submitted, and with lots or oral she stayed wet, seemingly came, but me having come for the last two nights with her, and me still sensing that things were off, I could not get off and, surprisingly to her, I rolled off and took my shower. She stayed in bed and gave a kiss when I came back, but no cuddling.

    She had said previously she would get up early, go back to Soi 6 to get some laundry and things, then come back to me for the limo / taxi to BKK. She did wake up early and dress while I at first slept, then when she was nearly ready to leave, awake, I sat up in bed. She came over, kissed me and said goodbye. Huh? Aren't you coming back? She said, no, this was goodbye. I guess we had miscommunication problem. I said I thought we were going to Bangkok together, but she said no, and said she had told me last night. I was not happy but kept quiet, confused as to what had happened for her to suddenly act a bit cold / distant to me. As she left, I thought about my need to pay her, but said nothing and she left without asking. I had money lying out by the door that she had to have seen, but the only thing she said as she left was goodbye.

    Remember when I left for China, she sent me many texts, asking when I would be back, saying how much she missed me, how she had to sleep alone without me and was sad, etc. This time, I got nothing. Well, OK then, perhaps this is the best way to end things. I don't want her to fall in love with me or to have any false hopes, and I need to get her off my mind so I don't think about her too much as well! I mean, I had been starting to understand why guys can fall in love with bar girls!

    I will be brief here, but we did resume our conversations a day or so later. I will transcribe a bit of our conversation that we had when she was home with her son, which may be relevant to some extent:

    Her: Yesterday I was paying for my son's school. Today I have to spend more. I want to ask you. Do you give to me?

    So, here I think, here it comes. She is going to ask me for money. But. I DO owe her money!

    Hawk: You left too soon. I had money out for you. I was surprised you were not coming back to me. I did not think to tell you to get it.

    Her: I said I didn't go back. Because my sister is waiting. I'm sorry for coming out too soon.

    Hawk: I didn't know where she was waiting.

    Her: My sister waited for me at Rangsit. (She had mentioned Rangsit the night before, but I did not relate that to her canceling out on riding with me to BKK.).

    Hawk: It is ok. I pay you in November.

    Her: I had to hurry to travel. It's too long. (She means November is too far away.).

    Hawk: Should have asked me.

    Her: OK.

    Me: Sorry I was too sad to think of it.

    Her: Never mind.

    Then she asked if I was ok and if I was home yet. And that, to this day, is the only time she had mentioned money. And since that time, we have both engaged in saying we miss each other, that we hate sleeping alone, etc. If she is dishing it out to me, I am dishing it back. She sent me pictures of herself with her son and with some other family members and has said a time or two that she loves me.

    I will say that her texts have convinced me that I have at least one more Pattaya trip in me. But I will end the trip report here the trip has ended, and it is starting to lead to another topic.

    But this trip was certainly interesting. It began with me concentrating of multiple girls on Soi 6 and Red Car, and ended up with me concentrating on a Soi 6 BG who was acting like a wonderful GF in many ways. Though I have occasionally criticized others for spending too much time with just one girl when they go to Pattaya, when I concentrated on Secret, some of the sex was almost transcendental. It is something I have rarely experienced, and something I LET myself experience. With the normal bar girl, sex was mechanical and largely a disappointment, but going bare back with Secret a couple of times became deep as I got comfortable and even trusting of her. Perhaps she was faking a part of it, but I let it feel real and I wanted all I could get of it before I had to leave.

    I have to admit I want more of it. Though I do not want to give up the side sex either!

    I am not in love with Secret. She is half my age, she has a son, she is pretty but not especially hot to where I would risk embarrassment to be seen at home with, plus she is, well, what she is a bar girl. Possibly a very sweet and caring bar girl who has somehow fallen for me, but I have my Thai GF who definitely loves me and has proven it time after time, of who my thoughts have kept me grounded. Sort of. Sigh.

    But I diverting from this being a trip report, so I end it here. Hope you guys have enjoyed it.

  2. #28024
    Quote Originally Posted by DeathWish  [View Original Post]
    Well I did pay her 5 k per day for the three days I was here. I did take her shopping.
    So now the truth comes out. If I was her then I would ask for money too since you are giving it out like that. It always amazes me when guys talk about how much a chick they are paying likes them. And on top of that they are afraid to lose a chick they are giving money to. And that much fucking money to boot! Trust me, she ain't going nowhere. When they land a big cow they want to milk it while it lasts.

    I will also add that with you giving her that much money then she still possibly has some of it left, unless she has purchased a big ticket item, or her family was behind on bills to a loanshark or she takes her friends out partying every night. Remember my room in Pattaya costs 4500/month. So for everyday she spent with you, her room was paid for for 1 month. That is why we are rich foreigners to them.

    P. S. Also not sure why it would matter if a chick you are paying knows about your previous encounters. As one poster duly noted, one tenet of paying is so that there will be no strings attached. So it would not matter what she knew. Hell, she could even go with you to look for more chicks if you are paying.

    Perfect time for my favorite meme. I swear you guys do it to yourselves.
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  3. #28023
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    . Hence BB got no requests for money, or is omitting those cases.
    Why would I omit it. Maybe it's because the girls I usually choose make more money than most guys on this board. Minimum 5000 baht per day on boom plus 1000 to 2000 baht on salary and lady drinks. Not even including money from their multiple Sponsors. I would just laugh if a girl who made this kind of cash asked me for money.

    Imo if a girl asks you for money you've let on that you like them too much and you're an easy mark. I never let girls know if I like them a lot or make any promises to them. Girls want a challenge. You'd be surprised how much more appealing you look if you appear to be unattainable.

  4. #28022

    Money requested after returning home.

    I kept contact with three women I met my last two trips to Thailand. The two I met on Thaicupid immediately had emergencies that required money. Both live in villages in Northern Thailand, and both wanted money for doctors. I felt these two got enough money out of me when I was there, and this was just plain insulting so I stopped lining with both. Further I thought neither were good long term GF material, though I spent a week with each.

    The third is a prostitute I met on Beach Road about 4 months ago, we got along great there and we have lined extensively since. She is yet to ask me for money. Even when she went back to her home village to take care of her family, she never asked for a dime. She knows it will be months before I return, but she messages me everyday.

  5. #28021
    Quote Originally Posted by Ebauche  [View Original Post]
    Was she a "freebie" during your visit. For easy ability to make a clean break, if needed, you likely should have provided a "gift" before departing. If she's maintaining her own illusion that she's not peddling her ass, the gift merely would've been because you "care" and didn't want her to financially suffer because she devoted so much loving time to you. Or, an outright per diem fee for the fuckfest you enjoyed.

    But after the fact? No. If you do, it will be astounding how many sick relatives and water buffalo regularly befall the poor lass.
    Well I did pay her 5 k per day for the three days I was here. I did take her shopping. We did enjoy lunch dinner breakfast together. She knew about my previous encounters as well. Anyhow just to update she has not yet asked me for anything apart from missing her grandmom. So I am relieved that I was wrong. Feeling like a thousand bucks. And have already booked my tickets to return here on my trip to China in July end.

  6. #28020
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    That has to be the dullest conversation I have ever read.
    Normal everyday life is not as glamorous for everyone else as it is for you. The point was not to show excitement, but to show people can mention someone being sick without it meaning they will ask for money.

  7. #28019
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    P.S. Wish I knew how to put these pics in a particular order. The second pic is a convo with a chick that only messages when she wants to come over for money. The 3rd pic should be read before the 1st pic because they are a conversation with a different person. The one that has the kid that was sick.
    That has to be the dullest conversation I have ever read.

  8. #28018
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]
    Not a single one asked me for money. Pretty sure they knew I was not a sucker who would hand any over to them. To the OP, why end it before she asks. My point is they may never ask.
    Yes girls vary some will ask for money when desperate, others are professional in contact only, and will never ask for money. Depends a lot on how generous they perceive the guy to be as well. Hence BB got no requests for money, or is omitting those cases.

    I never got requests for money from Western hookers, so believe it is more likely with Asian women, however a buddy of mine, got requests for money from western hookers, so he obviously had the character where he was very persuadable to part with more money for extra services and too emotionally attached to the girls.

    If a girl starts Lining again after a long absence, that is a clear sign she is building to a request for money. Ha ha. Others can line often purely because they like a bit of chat and gossip. Had a girl from Puerto Rico like that, never asked for money except for our private meetings but liked to exchange funny gossip.

    Thai girls are more likely to ask for money if they are think they are your big favourite or at least high up the pecking order. I mean clearly very casual girls are not going to be sponsored. Unlikely if the girl thinks you have heaps of girls and no one is preferred.

  9. #28017
    These posts should really be in the General Reports section since they are not Pattaya specific.

    When I was still a tourist many many girls kept Lining me many times every single day long after I left for home. Not a single one asked me for money. Pretty sure they knew I was not a sucker who would hand any over to them. To the OP, why end it before she asks. My point is they may never ask. However, a word of caution, don't fall for these girls and get it out of your head she is your girlfriend or someone who solely cares about you. They are professionals and unless you live here and have learned the ins and outs of their tricks they have a huge advantage over you.

  10. #28016
    Quote Originally Posted by DeathWish  [View Original Post]
    So. Having returned home. I am still in touch with my Pattaya gal. Lovely lady smiles incessantly adores me and stuff.

    Now yesterday while on call she told me that he grandmom is sick and she has to go back home. I sincerely thought that this one was going to be different. She has not asked for anything yet but I know the hammer will fall down soon. So seniors any pointers for a love struck loser like me? Should I end it before her asking. Or wait for her to ask pay her some amount for the time she spent with me and then end it. Cause one way or the other curtains have to come down on this.
    If her grand mother is really sick she will go home. Was she asking for money? IMHO sure. This is the first step to see your reaction. In case you ignore it next step will be she does not have money for the fare. If you still ignore it she will find somebody who takes care of her needs. For me I do not believe in freebies unless the girl is well educated and has a good job. I had met such a young girl working in the bank who I took on many vacations in Southeast Asia. Yes, I bought her many gifts but no money. I tried to give her for expenses but she refused.

    All other girls accepted money when offered.

    In your case if you like to keep her as your GF you need to support her by giving money. This will not give you guarantee that she will not go with other guys but will possibly guarantee you company next time you visit. If the demands become excessive it is your choice to continue or not.

    Most of the girls are looking for support from a casual visitor. Very few are under the illusion of marriage and better life in other countries.

  11. #28015
    Quote Originally Posted by DeathWish  [View Original Post]
    So. Having returned home. I am still in touch with my Pattaya gal. Lovely lady smiles incessantly adores me and stuff.

    Now yesterday while on call she told me that he grandmom is sick and she has to go back home. I sincerely thought that this one was going to be different. She has not asked for anything yet but I know the hammer will fall down soon. So seniors any pointers for a love struck loser like me? Should I end it before her asking. Or wait for her to ask pay her some amount for the time she spent with me and then end it. Cause one way or the other curtains have to come down on this.
    Ahh, the classic my girl is different. No need to end anything.

    1) Tell her to call you when her grandmother gets better.

    2) If she asks you for money for the trip tell her you do not send money.

    No need to make a mountain out of scattered dust. You already know that you are an irrelevant factor to any of this. Had she never met you what would she have done? Besides, she has not asked you for shit; she simply told you what is going on in her life. Somehow you take that as she needs money from you. You shouldn't.

    I also have a friend that I have been messing around with for over 2 years. Never asked me for 1 baht. She even cooks sometimes and invites me over. Even when we go to the seafood market in Naklua she pays for her own shit and I pay for mine. I usually pay for the people to cook it all though. A couple of months ago it was like 2am and her son was sick. She only wanted to ask me where was a pharmacy that was open at that tine of night so she could go get medicine. I volunteered to go find a pharmacy and get the medicine and bring it to her, but she was still talking about going to get it herself. I think I ended up just falling asleep, never to hear about it again. So it is not always about money when they say someone is sick.

    P.S. Wish I knew how to put these pics in a particular order. The second pic is a convo with a chick that only messages when she wants to come over for money. The 3rd pic should be read before the 1st pic because they are a conversation with a different person. The one that has the kid that was sick.
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  12. #28014
    Quote Originally Posted by DeathWish  [View Original Post]
    So. Having returned home. I am still in touch with my Pattaya gal. Lovely lady smiles incessantly adores me and stuff.

    Now yesterday while on call she told me that he grandmom is sick and she has to go back home. I sincerely thought that this one was going to be different. She has not asked for anything yet but I know the hammer will fall down soon. So seniors any pointers for a love struck loser like me? Should I end it before her asking. Or wait for her to ask pay her some amount for the time she spent with me and then end it. Cause one way or the other curtains have to come down on this.
    Was she a "freebie" during your visit. For easy ability to make a clean break, if needed, you likely should have provided a "gift" before departing. If she's maintaining her own illusion that she's not peddling her ass, the gift merely would've been because you "care" and didn't want her to financially suffer because she devoted so much loving time to you. Or, an outright per diem fee for the fuckfest you enjoyed.

    But after the fact? No. If you do, it will be astounding how many sick relatives and water buffalo regularly befall the poor lass.

  13. #28013
    Quote Originally Posted by DeathWish  [View Original Post]
    So. Having returned home. I am still in touch with my Pattaya gal. Lovely lady smiles incessantly adores me and stuff.

    Now yesterday while on call she told me that he grandmom is sick and she has to go back home. I sincerely thought that this one was going to be different. She has not asked for anything yet but I know the hammer will fall down soon. So seniors any pointers for a love struck loser like me? Should I end it before her asking. Or wait for her to ask pay her some amount for the time she spent with me and then end it. Cause one way or the other curtains have to come down on this.
    I am currently experiencing the same dilemma. I spent time with a Phuket girl. We stayed in touch after I left and she recently asked for help. I told her I can help her when I am in Phuket but when I am home I cannot help her. She was a little upset at first but has soon accepted it.

  14. #28012
    So. Having returned home. I am still in touch with my Pattaya gal. Lovely lady smiles incessantly adores me and stuff.

    Now yesterday while on call she told me that he grandmom is sick and she has to go back home. I sincerely thought that this one was going to be different. She has not asked for anything yet but I know the hammer will fall down soon. So seniors any pointers for a love struck loser like me? Should I end it before her asking. Or wait for her to ask pay her some amount for the time she spent with me and then end it. Cause one way or the other curtains have to come down on this.

  15. #28011
    Had a fantastic time at Champagne tonight. Arrived at 7:30 and there were 3 full sets of girls ready to go. Nearly 50 total. Over half the girls are older and not that pretty but there are usually a couple of nice ones here. One was smiling at me from the stage and I wanted her but she decided to go to the bathroom first instead of coming straight over to me. Her mistake because another girl who I was also looking at came over right away. Very fun girl. Early to mid 20's and her only tits were her double padded bra. Too bad. Spent some time with her and decided to go check out Kink.

    Walked outside and Kink was closed. WTF. Went to buy a kebab and went to The Bachelor. It was awful in there. What happened to the prettier girls? I did buy a couple of drinks for my girl there. As always lots of hands on action at The Bachelor.

    After an hour I decided to go back to Champagne to get the girl I really wanted tonight. She didn't make the same mistake twice and ran over to me as soon as I walked in. I guess she is 20 and she looks fairly young, braces and all. Decent tits. Very friendly. Been a while since I met a great gogo girl and she is certainly in that category for me. A keeper. Timing a bit bad as I'm leaving for Bangkok the day after tomorrow and I'm not sure gogo bars are open Monday due to the holiday.

    Check out Champagne if you guys are in LK Metro. Don't expect stunners but a friendly atmosphere and it's always fun seeking out those hidden gems.

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