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  1. #17979
    Quote Originally Posted by Dcrist0527  [View Original Post]
    And #4, first, I'm not convinced that this was released intentionally. But, I'd just say that in this case, the death rate is less important. If we're speaking in terms of global economy, at the absolute height of global trade historically speaking, the hyper-contagious factor has been devastatingly effective. Never before in human history has something been so impactful on the global economy.
    Seems as if you have never heard of (nor read about) the Bubonic Plague (Black Plague) nor other global pandemics. The Bubonic Plague was around for hundreds of years. The Black Death was the deadliest pandemic recorded in human history. The Black Death resulted in the deaths of up to 75-200 million people in Eurasia and North Africa, peaking in Europe from 1347 to 1351.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dcrist0527  [View Original Post]
    Never before in human history has somthing been so impactful on the global economy. I think it at least rivals and likely exceeds the world wars, at least in terms of globalism / global economy.
    Let me give you a little economic lesson. Both world wars were fought by less than a dozen countries. The economies of those countries fighting the world wars were impacted and constricted somewhat, but fighting a war generates alternate economic activity into what is needed for fighting a war. Their trading partners (like the United States from 1936 thru 1941) do very well economically. Did no one ever teach you that World War II ended the great depression?

  2. #17978

    Bars and nightclubs in Tijuana demand permission to reopen

    https://www.krqe.com/news/border-rep...ion-to-reopen/

    Bars and nightclubs in Tijuana demand permission to reopen.

    By: Salvador Rivera Posted: Aug 5, 2020/05:45 PM MDT / Updated: Aug 5, 2020/05:45 PM MDT.

    Tijuana (Border Report) Baja California officials claim it will be extremely difficult to allow bars and nightclubs in the city to reopen in the near future.

    In recent days many bar owners have pushed to get their businesses open again.

    "Until all these clubs finalize and put in place hygiene protocols it's going to be difficult," said David Gutierrez, head of Baja California's Health Risk Protection Commission. "When someone is in a frenzy, one doesn't reason or think, that's why we need to be very careful with all this stuff about opening when we're in no condition to open yet."

    On Monday, more than a thousand bar and nightclub workers staged a demonstration in downtown Tijuana demanding they be allowed to return to work, many claiming they haven't drawn a salary in months. Hundreds marched on Monday asking the state of Baja California to allow the reopening of bars and nightclubs. (Courtesy: Carlos Luna / El Sol de Tijuana).

    More than 80 bars and nightclubs have petitioned the state for permission to open, saying they have complied with demands to institute health protocols.

    But the vetting process takes time and most establishments have yet to be inspected.

    "I'm worried about places that sell alcohol, where many people gather to eat and drink where there's a lot of human contact and interaction," Gutierrez said.

    Gutierrez mentioned one of his inspectors received a death threat during a recent inspection.

    "It's irritating and uncomfortable knowing a death threat was issued to one of your inspectors who was told he will be dead when the sun rises," he said.

    Gutierrez did not single out the business nor the person who allegedly made the death threat. All he would say is that it happened in the Zona Norte, a part of town known for its strip joints and brothels.

    "We've been told an apology is forthcoming. In the heat of the moment, sometimes you tend to say things, sadly what comes out of someone's mouth is hard to take back," said Gutierrez.
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  3. #17977

    Some Hotel Bars re-opening Saturday

    Not sure what this means for ZN bars. But step forward?

    https://www.elimparcial.com/tijuana/...0806-0001.html

    Hotel bars reopen on Saturday.

    The reactivation of all sectors could take place in the second half of September, predicts secretary of Sustainable Economy and Tourism, although the behavior of the people will depend.

    MEXICALI, BC. - The reopening of the bars will begin this weekend in Tijuana, only in some hotels and under a trial scheme, revealed the Ministry of Sustainable Economy and Tourism (SEST), in an interview with El IMPARCIAL.

    Mario Escobedo Carignan commented that the reopening will apply later in the rest of the municipalities in which their mayors agree, as long as the bars demonstrate the design and application of their health and safety protocol.

    "We started opening the weekend in some hotels that are able to comply with the protocols, and the following week we will be opening the range," he said.

  4. #17976

    Is the border closed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phordphan  [View Original Post]
    Daily crossings are fine. Buy the 180 day FMM and cross with the locals after the first time.

    You may want to reconsider, as they shut down all the clubs again. This is the second time they've been shut. I really wonder if they'll be allowed to open again before your trip. Assuming, of course, that you plan to visit the Zona Norte clubs.

    Frankly, I think lots of the higher-end restaurants in Tijuana put their SD counterparts to shame. I'm not sure how many are open at this point, but it couldn't hurt to check.
    Isn't the border closed until 8/21 unless you are an essential traveler? I read someone said he told the border person he has dentist appointment, but I don't have email proof or anything if the border person asks for proof. Also, is it he same walking across or drive across?

  5. #17975
    Quote Originally Posted by Dcrist0527  [View Original Post]
    ...that starting from scratch isn't possible...

    And #4, first, I'm not convinced...the hyper-contagious factor has been devastatingly effective...
    Starting from scratch does not seem to be possible today.

    Contagious for sure, but not really "hypercontagious".

    The damage done is mostly self induced -- it's been a "cytokine storm" political response.

  6. #17974

    Adelita Chicago have girls same place

    We'd afternoon Adel and Chic have girls at same old places, want us to come in.

    HK has about 50 girls at a hotel nearby.

    La Zona is happy and sexy again.

  7. #17973
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnClayton  [View Original Post]
    Main points why this is false:

    1) The science is not good enough to make a bio weapon virus from scratch in the lab. Maybe someday, but not now.

    2) The virus has 96% commonality with a common corona virus in bats. The method of zoonotic transmission to intermediate animals like pangolins or whatever is well know. The exact mechanism for the creation of this virus is not known yet, but for sure it is "natural".

    3) Something called the "furin cleavage site" makes the virus gets weaker when it's cultured.

    4) It's not a very bad virus. It isn't deadly enough! It only kills old people in nursing homes, fat diabetics, etc. If you were going to engineer something, you'd make it attack the young and strong. If you were going to engineer a virus, why not start with something much, much more deadly like SARS, MERS or Ebola and make it worse? SARS CoV-2 is simply not bad enough.
    I'm no scientist and don't have a dog in this fight. I have my opinions, but they are simply anecdotal based on observations of jaded and biased news reports on both sides of the political spectrum. But I do find your points interesting.

    #1/#2 - I'll take your word that starting from scratch isn't possible. But it is conceivable that we (as a human race) can modify an existing virus, right?

    And #4, first, I'm not convinced that this was released intentionally. But, I'd just say that in this case, the death rate is less important. If we're speaking in terms of global economy, at the absolute height of global trade historically speaking, the hyper-contagious factor has been devastatingly effective. Never before in human history has something been so impactful on the global economy. I think it at least rivals and likely exceeds the world wars, at least in terms of globalism / global economy.

    As I mentioned, I'm unconvinced that this was a calculated geo-political act. Clearly, the aggressor would have been China but I'm struggling to see how they've benefited. To be clear, I would not doubt their motivation for such an act. But I don't see any clear benefit to them at this point.

    Now, if they wanted to make international travel more difficult for us mongers, mission accomplished. LOL. Down with Xi Jinping. Haha.

  8. #17972
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnGault  [View Original Post]
    This virus is so perfect in the way it can spread that I think that for it to be so perfect it must have been manufactured...
    Main points why this is false:

    1) The science is not good enough to make a bio weapon virus from scratch in the lab. Maybe someday, but not now.

    2) The virus has 96% commonality with a common corona virus in bats. The method of zoonotic transmission to intermediate animals like pangolins or whatever is well know. The exact mechanism for the creation of this virus is not known yet, but for sure it is "natural".

    3) Something called the "furin cleavage site" makes the virus gets weaker when it's cultured.

    4) It's not a very bad virus. It isn't deadly enough! It only kills old people in nursing homes, fat diabetics, etc. If you were going to engineer something, you'd make it attack the young and strong. If you were going to engineer a virus, why not start with something much, much more deadly like SARS, MERS or Ebola and make it worse? SARS CoV-2 is simply not bad enough.

  9. #17971
    Quote Originally Posted by CocrBrotheler  [View Original Post]
    I do buy into the manufactured theory if for anything out of their gross negligence in letting this biological weapon out the cage.

    It has long been Cold War socialistic doctrine since 50's I guess to have the "perfect" biological weapon humanized (I. E. On human carriers) to infect and kill or even better incapacitate the enemy. How better than to grind our economies to a halt then swoop in with vaccine they already have and completely control us? Now their dream has come true. Like Ike said in the 50's should have nuclear bombed the fuck out of China and North Korea then none this shit ever happen. Scald them motherfuckers, scald them!

    Give me the crypto keys I will do it!
    This is the conspiracy theory I could easily believe to be true. As Gault stated this virus is too perfect to be a mistake and I wouldn't put it past China to off a few K of their own to make it happen.

  10. #17970
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnGault  [View Original Post]
    This virus is so perfect in the way it can spread that I think that for it to be so perfect it must have been manufactured. Now as far as if it was released accidental or on purpose I do not know.

    One good thing may come from this is we stop thinking of Russia as the big bad wolf and start to realize who the true rouge nation is.
    I do buy into the manufactured theory if for anything out of their gross negligence in letting this biological weapon out the cage.

    It has long been Cold War socialistic doctrine since 50's I guess to have the "perfect" biological weapon humanized (I. E. On human carriers) to infect and kill or even better incapacitate the enemy. How better than to grind our economies to a halt then swoop in with vaccine they already have and completely control us? Now their dream has come true. Like Ike said in the 50's should have nuclear bombed the fuck out of China and North Korea then none this shit ever happen. Scald them motherfuckers, scald them!

    Give me the crypto keys I will do it!

  11. #17969
    Quote Originally Posted by Phordphan  [View Original Post]
    Russia hacked nothing. Nobody is capable of hacking an election, accessing local ballot boxes and changing votes, or anything of the sort....
    Completely untrue. https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/...rt_Volume1.pdf.

    Mostly were attacks on voting infrastructure: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/01/u...n-hacking.html.

    Indeed, there was evidence that actual election tallies were changed in Wisconsin; however, Scott Walker quashed the investigation.

  12. #17968

    Russians

    Speaking of Russia. If you have not seen HBO's Chernobyl movie series it's great. I had no idea the sacrifices the people of Russia did to make clean up the issue after it happened. And it could have been much much worse.

    Goyo.

  13. #17967
    Quote Originally Posted by Phordphan  [View Original Post]
    Russia hacked nothing. Nobody is capable of hacking an election, accessing local ballot boxes and changing votes, or anything of the sort. The whole Russia thing has become such a farce. What I don't get is that Russia has always been a large part of Western civilization, from mathematics, to art, to music, to literature. They had a disastrous affair with communism. Now that it's over we should be welcoming them back as brothers, not using them as a scapegoat for Hillary's election fiasco. Of course, the American Left always had a hard-on for the CCCP, not so much after it collapsed. I guess that's the real reason behind this idiocy.

    When I was a teenager, during the height of the Cold War, the Soviets had a bazillion more tanks stationed at their borders with Western Europe, larger ICBMs, etc. , etc. All we heard about was the vast might of the Soviet Army. Yet we found out later that they were essentially impotent. And still, despite their size, they don't even make the top 10 of world economies. They have nothing but oil to sell. Nobody wants Russian clothing, or cars, or computers. They are not the bogeyman. China, OTOH, is a serious threat.

    Sorry, this is WAY off topic.
    But they have Ivan Drago!

  14. #17966
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder52  [View Original Post]
    Russia is indeed a major force to be reckoned with. They've hacked our elections, had a major hand in Trump's rise to power, have a significant role now in the Middle East where we no longer do, conduct wholesale political assassination, dominate the Arctic. They now have more main battle tanks in Ukraine than the sum of both UK and French armies combined. What counts most, however, is that Russian women are off the hook hot.
    Russia hacked nothing. Nobody is capable of hacking an election, accessing local ballot boxes and changing votes, or anything of the sort. The whole Russia thing has become such a farce. What I don't get is that Russia has always been a large part of Western civilization, from mathematics, to art, to music, to literature. They had a disastrous affair with communism. Now that it's over we should be welcoming them back as brothers, not using them as a scapegoat for Hillary's election fiasco. Of course, the American Left always had a hard-on for the CCCP, not so much after it collapsed. I guess that's the real reason behind this idiocy.

    When I was a teenager, during the height of the Cold War, the Soviets had a bazillion more tanks stationed at their borders with Western Europe, larger ICBMs, etc. , etc. All we heard about was the vast might of the Soviet Army. Yet we found out later that they were essentially impotent. And still, despite their size, they don't even make the top 10 of world economies. They have nothing but oil to sell. Nobody wants Russian clothing, or cars, or computers. They are not the bogeyman. China, OTOH, is a serious threat.

    Sorry, this is WAY off topic.

  15. #17965
    Quote Originally Posted by Phordphan  [View Original Post]
    I don't buy the manufactured theory. But I absolutely agree that Russia ceased to be a threat long ago. They have an economy about the size of Italy, IIRC. China is a serious threat, and what irritates me is that, due in no small part to local / state / federal governmental incompetence and outright greed, we've essentially handed over all our manufacturing to them, allowed their economy to expand at a dramatic rate, and then borrowed ourselves into oblivion (from those very Chinese) for social welfare projects.
    Russia is indeed a major force to be reckoned with. They've hacked our elections, had a major hand in Trump's rise to power, have a significant role now in the Middle East where we no longer do, conduct wholesale political assassination, dominate the Arctic. They now have more main battle tanks in Ukraine than the sum of both UK and French armies combined. What counts most, however, is that Russian women are off the hook hot.

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