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  1. #31937
    Quote Originally Posted by NightWhaler  [View Original Post]
    I raised all of my children vaccine free...Peace.
    Thank you. I understand. Your children are your prerogative. My children did not attend public schools but fortunately I live in MA, where vaccine exemptions are very low even in public schools. My graduate degree does not qualify me to comment on ethical issues of vaccines nor for that matter the biology of it but generally I believe the doctors are sensible, intelligent and rational creatures. I also believe in the empirical veracity of science and I am thankful for the likes of Edward Jenner or Alexander Flemming!

  2. #31936
    Quote Originally Posted by NightWhaler  [View Original Post]
    I would suggest you read the Book of Job. .

    Peace,
    Have done that. Now that is comical.

  3. #31935

    Comical

    Quote Originally Posted by Tempoecorto  [View Original Post]
    A Brazilian friend sent this today. He teaches Physical Sciences, in a college there.
    I would suggest you read the Book of Job. .

    Peace,

  4. #31934

    Laugh a little, with the help of Google!

    A Brazilian friend sent this today. He teaches Physical Sciences, in a college there.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Brazil.jpg‎  

  5. #31933

    Well?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tempoecorto  [View Original Post]
    I could not stop laughing reading the ending comments even though the subject is not exactly that funny.

    I studied Chem and Math during my undergrad years so all your erudite references to Biology went over my head. Having said that, I do have to wonder though. I thought children in the US are supposed to be vaccinated against a boat load of stuff before they are allowed to attend a public (and Private) school. So the posters here, surprised that others have been vaccinated, never went to school? That may explain such questions.
    I raised all of my children vaccine free. Not one has come down with anything other than the common cold or flu. And that was very far and few between. I used all available means to avoid giving that poison to my children. All are fine healthy adults. Of course we didn't have the volume of drugs they hit them' with today. Fact is fellows, if you want it, take it, if you don't, don't. Great exchange of information and let's get back to mongering. Oh, as for going to school I commonly used the religious angle to prevent them for obtaining vaccines. Sure they had a couple, like smallpox, tetanus and polio but none of the rest. Those are proven pretty safe in my opinion but none of the rest.

    Peace,

  6. #31932
    Quote Originally Posted by RubMeister100  [View Original Post]
    If someone comes to Pulaskie West Virginia from Chile.... they are doing it doggy style!
    I could not stop laughing reading the ending comments even though the subject is not exactly that funny.

    I studied Chem and Math during my undergrad years so all your erudite references to Biology went over my head. Having said that, I do have to wonder though. I thought children in the US are supposed to be vaccinated against a boat load of stuff before they are allowed to attend a public (and Private) school. So the posters here, surprised that others have been vaccinated, never went to school? That may explain such questions.

  7. #31931
    Quote Originally Posted by Tempoecorto  [View Original Post]
    But why would I, in the first place?
    Because you (referring to the militant anti-vaxxers-not you) are smarter than Doctors, know about The Conspiracy and are not a "Yes Man".

    You have to learn every lesson for yourself. You need to get infected and sick (with everything a vaccine could have prevented) to get your immunity the "organic" way.

    What I find most funny about these anti-vaxxers, organic, vegan gluten-free types is that they often feel the need to brand themselves with tattoos. They go to some storefront and pay thousands to have someone administer ten thousand injections of heavy metals, pigments of unknown types and sources INJECTED into the largest organ of their body. Their skin. Permanently!

  8. #31930
    Quote Originally Posted by NightWhaler  [View Original Post]
    I have two questions for folks who take vaccines. 1. Do they really work?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by NightWhaler  [View Original Post]
    2. Why do we still have the flu every year with ongoing vaccinations?
    Because the hundreds of Influenza A and be viruses move around the country and world all the time. They also change and evolve. They can change in two different ways—antigenic drift and antigenic shift.

    The vaccine combinations try to forecast what virus might hit the particular area and formulate that year's combo-vaccine. If someone comes to Pulaskie West Virginia from Chile and infects someone with an influenza virus from Chile that was not expected in Pulaskie, then that vaccinated person gets a flu variant from Chile. If he passes it onto his sister during coitus, then it is likely their cousins will get it too. Unless they are doing it doggy style!

  9. #31929
    Quote Originally Posted by NightWhaler  [View Original Post]
    I have two questions for folks who take vaccines. 1. Do they really work? 2. Why do we still have the flu every year with ongoing vaccinations? Never let a good crisis go to waste. This is an excellent exercise in social engineering. They have done a hell of great job. I am just not the "yes" kind of guy nor do I follow the madness. With all due respect. DON'T FEAR!

    Peace,
    Shirley you can't be serious?

    Who do you think the "they" are who are having a bit of fun with "social engineering"? The Illuminati, George Soros, Bill Gates? And "they" have organized all this with thousands of Doctors (sworn to secrecy- pinky swear!) in a secret conspiracy to interfere with you?

    By your logic, you should only take a vaccine that you developed. Highly unlikely if you don't have the critical thinking skills to know the answers to the questions you facetiously asked.

    If you and the other anti-vaxxers want to see how ridiculous you look like to those who have gone to medical school for a decade, to start, and then continue to practice and learn to be able to understand biology, immunology, phyiology, etc etc. Go to YouTube and watch some aviation accident videos. Look for the comments from non-pilot know-it-alls who try to sound smart by explaining that the same thing happened when the "turbo whatchamacallit on my brother-in-law's cousins Cessna Piper Learjet failed to activate when the T-cell receptors did a loop-de-loop because he didn't file a Flight Plan when he almost crashed into a schoolyard of innocent children".

    Seriously, this what anti-vaxxers sound like to those who actually have knowledge and education outside of the type of "research" materials Google and YouTube spoon feeds you based on your cookies and browsing history. You and the anti-vaxxers don't see real medical papers on Page One and I don't get "Recommended" YouTube videos of Gwyneth Paltrow's vagina detox rocks.

  10. #31928
    Quote Originally Posted by BrotherP  [View Original Post]
    The only way I'll get the vaccine is if its mandatory for travel. Bruh is right. No telling what's in that vaccine. Plus their rushing it. But of I can't fly without it I'll get it.
    So for all your intelligent research, specific knowledge of very real and specific risks and consequences, use of fetal cells, Hippocratic Oath workarounds and "who knows what they put into vaccines". You have already over-ridden your thinking brain with your emotional need to travel to see cheap hookers in far-off countries? Without knowing IF there is even going to be a vaccine, what is in it, how it affects others etc.

    By your own logic, and that of other anti-vaxxers, you have already had too many brain damaging mercury preserved vaccines!

    SMH while LOL.

  11. #31927

    Two questions

    Quote Originally Posted by MamaGuevos  [View Original Post]
    1. It would not matter how polite you were, a doctor would simply think you were not very intelligent if you were to decline a COVID-19 vaccine. After all, the disease causes a horribly painful death and has already killed about 375,000 people in the world.

    2. MRC-5 is NOT a commonly used cell line for vaccines. Most manufacturers use CHO cells (hamster fibroblasts). That being said, most of the vaccines under development do not use cell lines at all. They use RNA or DNA, which can be synthesized. Even the vaccines that are from whole killed virus, like polio vaccine is made, use Vero cells (which are monkey cells).

    3. You need to use a dictionary and learn the proper definition of iatrogenic.

    In addition, doctors don't mandate border policies, nor would most of them see vaccinating an individual to be against the Hippocratic oath. And while it is true that a vaccine might have bad consequences for a few unlucky individuals, they mostly have saved lives. Millions of lives.

    Finally, I agree with Mr. E's comments below.
    I have two questions for folks who take vaccines. 1. Do they really work? 2. Why do we still have the flu every year with ongoing vaccinations? Never let a good crisis go to waste. This is an excellent exercise in social engineering. They have done a hell of great job. I am just not the "yes" kind of guy nor do I follow the madness. With all due respect. DON'T FEAR!

    Peace,

  12. #31926

    Declining a vaccine

    Quote Originally Posted by NightWhaler  [View Original Post]
    Good point. But, there is a way around it. Check this out.

    How to Decline a Vaccine Legally.

    Step 1. Do not "refuse" a vaccine otherwise you'll be considered belligerent. Instead you can politely decline their services by doing the following.

    Step 2. Ask the doctor if the vaccine has MRC-5 in it (they all do, these are aborted fetal cells and other DNA). If it does, you have the right to decline.

    Step 3. Also ask if there is a possibility of a "latrogenic reation" (an adverse reaction caused by multiple compounds or drugs interacting with each other) from the vaccine (they all do). When the doctor says, "yes it does", that's your "Get Out of Vaccine Jail Free Card". Thank the doctor for their offer and walk away.
    1. It would not matter how polite you were, a doctor would simply think you were not very intelligent if you were to decline a COVID-19 vaccine. After all, the disease causes a horribly painful death and has already killed about 375,000 people in the world.

    2. MRC-5 is NOT a commonly used cell line for vaccines. Most manufacturers use CHO cells (hamster fibroblasts). That being said, most of the vaccines under development do not use cell lines at all. They use RNA or DNA, which can be synthesized. Even the vaccines that are from whole killed virus, like polio vaccine is made, use Vero cells (which are monkey cells).

    3. You need to use a dictionary and learn the proper definition of iatrogenic.

    In addition, doctors don't mandate border policies, nor would most of them see vaccinating an individual to be against the Hippocratic oath. And while it is true that a vaccine might have bad consequences for a few unlucky individuals, they mostly have saved lives. Millions of lives.

    Finally, I agree with Mr. E's comments below.

  13. #31925
    Quote Originally Posted by NightWhaler  [View Original Post]
    How to Decline a Vaccine Legally.
    But why would I, in the first place?

  14. #31924
    Quote Originally Posted by NightWhaler  [View Original Post]
    Good point. But, there is a way around it. Check this out.

    How to Decline a Vaccine Legally.

    Step 1. Do not "refuse" a vaccine otherwise you'll be considered belligerent. Instead you can politely decline their services by doing the following.

    Step 2. Ask the doctor if the vaccine has MRC-5 in it (they all do, these are aborted fetal cells and other DNA). If it does, you have the right to decline.
    I do not think you get it. The point is not whether you have the right to decline the vaccine. The point is that countries have the right not to let you enter unless you have been vaccinated. It is the same with yellow fever. Some countries will not allow you to enter without proof that you have had the yellow fever vaccination, and it could be the same requirement should they come up with a C19 vaccination.

    So once again, what is your plan should those countries you want to travel to announce that people that have not had the vaccine can not enter their country? Are you going to get vaccinated, or are you going to stay home?

  15. #31923

    Vaccines

    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    Then what are you going to do when they tell you that you can not travel unless you have been vaccinated?
    Good point. But, there is a way around it. Check this out.

    How to Decline a Vaccine Legally.

    Step 1. Do not "refuse" a vaccine otherwise you'll be considered belligerent. Instead you can politely decline their services by doing the following.

    Step 2. Ask the doctor if the vaccine has MRC-5 in it (they all do, these are aborted fetal cells and other DNA). If it does, you have the right to decline.

    Step 3. Also ask if there is a possibility of a "latrogenic reation" (an adverse reaction caused by multiple compounds or drugs interacting with each other) from the vaccine (they all do). When the doctor says, "yes it does", that's your "Get Out of Vaccine Jail Free Card". Thank the doctor for their offer and walk away.

    Remember, doctors have sworn the Hippocratic Oath (which is to do no harm) and they MUST honor it. This is how we can legally (and respectfully) decline their offered mandated services and there is absolutely NOTHING they can do about it! Now you know. At this point you should receive a waiver. Document it all. Do some research on vaccines and get educated.

    Peace,

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