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  1. #15803
    Treat your ATFs right by giving them money. Not just the agreed upon amount but extra money. On top of that give them gifts. Third participate in creating what the girl thinks is a fun atmosphere. I am certain my ATFs appreciate what I do for them. Some talks about marrying me. I think one is maybe serious.

    While I think it is fun to do stuff outside the club and club hotels the most recent case of a girl getting murdered in Adelitas was done by an American who saw a girl outside the club and then killed a different girl in the hotel by the club. Do not think girls see doing things outside the club like you present in your post.

    For me I am considering trying to leverage my extra money to options outside the clubs and their hotels. I get the clubs see the girls as employees and do not want them distracted from selling beers. The natural response of this is to see girls when they off work. There are some Tijuana / Mexico type responses to this that I do not think Mongers will like.

    I do get who the line of thought it taking some down this path.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackie888  [View Original Post]
    Gentlemen,

    If you like your ATF, please treat her nice instead of treating her like a hooker. Please take her to a proper Love motel (like Premier, etc.) where rooms are rented at 4 hour intervals on the weekends instead of a shithole like Cascadas where the chicas are murdered every now an then and they nickels and dime you for every stupid thing. The Uber ride to these love motels, even in rush hour is under $10. The rooms are near Vegas quality. There are no convicts working as waiters. No con artists masquerading as managers. Cascadas sucks when compared to places outside the Zona Norte.

  2. #15802
    Quote Originally Posted by Nothing24  [View Original Post]
    HK has the best looking girls but in my opinion you get your best bang for your buck at the other clubs, if you can find a female to your liking. My last 5 sessions at adelitas have all been home runs, 10/10 service. If you go late at night they have a good selection of newer females. During the daytime, not so much. Best of all, they dont automatically quote you 100 or something ridiculous like 150. On average I have been quoted 80, 100 max. But even the ones that ask for 100 are open to listen to a counter offer. In HK I tend to stick to girls I have already vetted myself or from recommendations from my fellow mongers. It's too risky to go upstairs with a brand new pick in HK, unless you don't value your money.
    I cannot stand the inconsistency at HK club which is why I'm taking a break from Tijuana. Going to Frankfurt FKK club next month, so excited to fuck Eastern European beauties with fresh pussy and BBBJ standard.

  3. #15801
    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrbomb  [View Original Post]
    In the end, I realized mistakes were made and lessons were learnt. I'm thinking of maybe going back in a week or two, but not have too much expectations this time around. I noticed that the women are not nearly as aggressive as the dancers in the states or in Vegas. Walking around and sitting around for 2 hours or so, I wasn't approached by a single chica. Either they all think I don't have money or too ugly or something. I do have a question about how you approach girls that are just sitting / standing on their phones. It's hard to get a good look as you're walking by them and it feels weird to just stop in front of one to check them out. I've read here in the forums that some other mongers have had their best experiences with girls who they approached, but damn, it'd be crazy expensive to spend a beer on every single chica that you talk to. My goal was (and I guess still is) to find a chica who's a typical 'bad girl', smokes, drinks, tats / piercings, kinda like your stereotypical porn star that's open to sexy fun but damn, how the hell do you vet from the crowd of 100+ chicas.
    If you're a newb, it's best to approach the girls. The sharky girls can smell a newb from a mile away and will hustle you. Sounds like they scammed you hard.

  4. #15800
    Quote Originally Posted by Hadez  [View Original Post]
    My 2 cents.

    1. Do not spend more then 30 minutes or whatever time $100 will buy you until you know a girl. One needs to spend time on a girl to expect special treatment. Only reason to get more than the base amount of time is to get special treatment. Before they got crazy about time I could get girls to stay an hour for $100. Have not done this in a while.

    2. I like to hunt for my own girls. I am pretty good at finding my type. I usually see how they perform on stage. Can tell a lot about how the girl responds to $1 or $2 tip. Once one is comfortable at the stage just imagine the entire club is a stage. At this point if a girl is not drinking some dudes beer she is on stage in my eyes. Most girls will look up from their phone trying to make money but if they do not approach them if you really like her.

    3. I get them 1 drink and ask the same questions. It is not just what they say but how they say it. Yes I probably drop about 30-40 a trip on drinks for girls I turn down. Add in about $50 for girls I take up to my room. Imo it is worth it..
    Good points Hadez. It's like when people divorce and they look back that all the signals were there to tell them it was trouble in the first place. You just need to sit back and take in all the signals. My worst experiences (and they were not bad. But just not as good as many others), was my jumping to decisions with out taking the time to read the signals. It's a smorgasboard and you don't need to bit the first thing you see that you like.

    G.

  5. #15799

    Treat Her Nice

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackie888  [View Original Post]
    Gentlemen,

    If you like your ATF, please treat her nice instead of treating her like a hooker. Please take her to a proper Love motel (like Premier, etc.) where rooms are rented at 4 hour intervals on the weekends instead of a shithole like Cascadas where the chicas are murdered every now an then and they nickels and dime you for every stupid thing. The Uber ride to these love motels, even in rush hour is under $10. The rooms are near Vegas quality. There are no convicts working as waiters. No con artists masquerading as managers. Cascadas sucks when compared to places outside the Zona Norte.
    I always treat them nice (dinner, breakfast, out to clubs, small gifts). Haven't tried Premier (four, even eight hours isn't enough for me), but I have taken BGs to Rosarito and Ensenada, staying at the nicer hotels in those cities. Locally I have started staying at the nicer hotels in Tijuana. Someone with better knowledge should post a list of chica-friendly hotels. Took a few girls to Pueblo Amigo. The staff wouldn't let the girls go up to my room on their own; I had to come down and escort them up. Not a big deal, but slightly inconvenient. At other hotels, the girls walked right in and to my room.

  6. #15798

    Fat Fuck and chicas are coworkers

    Jackie is on to something her.

    Chicas would stand there with Fat Fuck but keep distance like coworkers, the same way they treat meseros. I have never seen girls squeeze or kiss Fat Fuck; he never touches, gropes, kisses or goes to hotel with any girls So he's not a monger, more likely a HK'ss employee.

    The more I look into it this Fat Fuck is just phony actor doing HK's cheap theatrics to gouge more money from us, so I spend less money on drinks and tips, and get as many free drinks as I can. Guys with VIP cards should go for a free Don Julio 70, Patron Silver or 1800 Cristalino shot, costing $10-15 at the bar.

    Patron Silver ($85 in store) is harsh, biting, strong Agave nose. Don Julio 70 ($70 in store) is a lot smoother with fruity fragrance, very popular with chicas in HK. But 1800 Cristalino ($55 in store) is even better than DJ 70, very smooth with a strong Agave nose and taste, slightly sweeter and fruitier.

    Noob bought a 1800 Cristalino bottle ($38) at the UETA duty-free store in San Ysidro to party with HK girls in Cascada. 2 HK girls took 2 shots and fucked each other like rabbits; he does not drink alcohol so gave me the bottle. It turns out to be an outstanding liquor for my and HK girls' taste. I enjoy it a lot more than far more expensive Cognacs and Whiskeys.

    Couple bros have been giving me their HK bottles so I can let noobs try them. Muchas Gracias.
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  7. #15797
    My 2 cents.

    1. Do not spend more then 30 minutes or whatever time $100 will buy you until you know a girl. One needs to spend time on a girl to expect special treatment. Only reason to get more than the base amount of time is to get special treatment. Before they got crazy about time I could get girls to stay an hour for $100. Have not done this in a while.

    2. I like to hunt for my own girls. I am pretty good at finding my type. I usually see how they perform on stage. Can tell a lot about how the girl responds to $1 or $2 tip. Once one is comfortable at the stage just imagine the entire club is a stage. At this point if a girl is not drinking some dudes beer she is on stage in my eyes. Most girls will look up from their phone trying to make money but if they do not approach them if you really like her.

    3. I get them 1 drink and ask the same questions. It is not just what they say but how they say it. Yes I probably drop about 30-40 a trip on drinks for girls I turn down. Add in about $50 for girls I take up to my room. Imo it is worth it.

    Finding a pretty Latina who will fuck and suck is easy imo. Hard working girls are easy to find. If you still figuring out how to tell if a girl is your type or not just look for a girl who will grind on your dick and work hard to get you upstairs. These girls earn their money more often than not.

    The girl friend experience takes more experience but I am getting to the point I can find a new one almost every trip. My biggest problem is actually the girls I established as GFE last time who get mad if they see me kissing another girl. I define GFE as kissing, hugging, dancing and maybe BBBJ. BBFS is not what I am talking about here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrbomb  [View Original Post]

    In the end, I realized mistakes were made and lessons were learnt. I'm thinking of maybe going back in a week or two, but not have too much expectations this time around. I noticed that the women are not nearly as aggressive as the dancers in the states or in Vegas. Walking around and sitting around for 2 hours or so, I wasn't approached by a single chica. Either they all think I don't have money or too ugly or something. I do have a question about how you approach girls that are just sitting / standing on their phones. It's hard to get a good look as you're walking by them and it feels weird to just stop in front of one to check them out. I've read here in the forums that some other mongers have had their best experiences with girls who they approached, but damn, it'd be crazy expensive to spend a beer on every single chica that you talk to. My goal was (and I guess still is) to find a chica who's a typical 'bad girl', smokes, drinks, tats / piercings, kinda like your stereotypical porn star that's open to sexy fun but damn, how the hell do you vet from the crowd of 100+ chicas.

  8. #15796
    Quote Originally Posted by Hadez  [View Original Post]
    NOObs get taken advantage of. Does not matter if we talking HK, AMPS or whatever sex worker we talking about. It happens. The good mongers learn.

    In my experience the time depends on the girl. Have had GF type experiences that last over an hour. Usually 2+ hours involve lap dancing or some other exocitc activity. Straight to sex with some BJ action probably never lasts for me longer then 25-30 minutes. Yes I keep track. My timer starts when my hands are washed and I start touching. My timer stops when she gets off the bed to start cleaning up.

    Have had girls short me at 25 minutes but this is less than 1 in 10 for me. Usually 33% or more are girls I have done before and that is probably why I get so many good experiences. I am also really good at filtering out the ones I will not like.

    Sometimes a really hot girl gets me with the hardcore grind like the $100 she is going to get will pay that bill she badly needs taken care of. I can not resist the super hottie who works hard even if it means a 25 min session.
    Including time downstairs or just time inside the room? Usually the cum boys start knocking at the 25 minutes mark or sometimes they forget but never had the room as long as an hour.

  9. #15795
    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrbomb  [View Original Post]
    Been reading about HK for a while now and finally decided to go. Went across and got an Uber and got there around 6:30 pm. Bought the VIP card and then checked into 9th floor suite. Pretty nice room for a decent rate with the discount, no way it's worth full price. Went across to Oxxo and picked up a bottle of tequila and 12-pack of beer. Came back across the street and one of the bellman saw my fumbling with the cans falling and offered to help me bring it to my room. In hindsight, a mistake was telling him this was my first time in HK as you'll see why later.

    Went down and did a few laps, of the place. Place was popping for 8 pm on a weeknight. Lotsa ladies, most just sitting around or standing and being on their phones. Got a few drinks and was just chilling in the quiet bar at the back when a mesero comes by and sits a blonde next to me and asks if I want to buy her a drink. Did a quick scan and yeah, she's my type. Introduced herself as Navie (or something like that) and I spend some time talking to her while she's sipping on her beer. I got lost in time but it feels like she finished her beer in about 15 minutes and mesero comes by asking for another. I told her 'no, I'd rather just go up and not get another drink'. A mistake in hindsight. She quoted $100 and I countered and we eventually agreed to $100 for a full hour. I brought over edibles and already took 4 of them already. She said she smoked MJ so she was open to taking one of the edibles..
    Been there, happened before when I was a rookie at HK, and it was around 2008. They do have to make money for the club so they want them down quick. Hotel makes money from 30 minutes arribas, not from multiple hour arribas, so either the girl goes down fast and brings another client to the hotel and then goes back to work again or the client has to pay for that time the girl is not working downstairs.

    I agree that the best thing to do is just use the money for $1 tips and touch whoever you want to touch for the propina, buy maybe a few fichas, talk, feel and get to know a bit more about the girls and then go arriba. You will see that spending more time with them talking and knowing them will even save you money, get them drunk and make them laugh and you will have great arribas without that hassle.

  10. #15794
    NOObs get taken advantage of. Does not matter if we talking HK, AMPS or whatever sex worker we talking about. It happens. The good mongers learn.

    In my experience the time depends on the girl. Have had GF type experiences that last over an hour. Usually 2+ hours involve lap dancing or some other exocitc activity. Straight to sex with some BJ action probably never lasts for me longer then 25-30 minutes. Yes I keep track. My timer starts when my hands are washed and I start touching. My timer stops when she gets off the bed to start cleaning up.

    Have had girls short me at 25 minutes but this is less than 1 in 10 for me. Usually 33% or more are girls I have done before and that is probably why I get so many good experiences. I am also really good at filtering out the ones I will not like.

    Sometimes a really hot girl gets me with the hardcore grind like the $100 she is going to get will pay that bill she badly needs taken care of. I can not resist the super hottie who works hard even if it means a 25 min session.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogers69  [View Original Post]
    This is a very interesting post. Because there's always going to stories of guys getting taken advantage of as a new guy. And stories of guys getting taken advantage due to the covid, and post covid, tripling down of getting every penny from anyone going to the rooms with a girl. So in your case you combined both. The fact that you let anyone know you were new probably didn't matter. I've seen others get the door banging for keeping girls more than 30 minutes or 45 minutes, and being forced to buy beers. Its odd, because HK and its hotel are not even a brothel. I doubt legally HK is supposed to be up in the hotel demanding money, aka beers, to keep a girl. But the bottom line, is HK learned that many people, probably 70% of the people in HK, have such high income, that they could double triple what they charge, and 80% of the guys will keep returning. But yes at this point I would never try to rent a girl for more than 45 minutes in HK or tropical. I think the VIP card allows that extra 15 minutes still. So once you venture into 46 minutes they can start banging on the door. And from my experience, 98% of the girls, assuming you don't like like a movie star, they aren't going to want to have some guy banging them for more than 20 minutes. So your not gona get much extra sex.

  11. #15793
    The extra time beer hustle is relatively new to me. First happened about a year ago with a Tropical girl. This is before they tracking where the girls go like they do now a days. For a few months after Tijuana openened Cascadas was not putting the wrist band on me and I do not think the beer hustle was that strong back then.

    Another girl in the club told me 100% of the time the beer hustle is intiated by the girl in your room back then. It seemed true based on my experiences.

    Not sure when the girl tracking went to next level. It seem to happen same time as cascadas putting the wrist band on our wrist again. Bout this time I noticed a 3rd chica name and room check. 1st check as we leave club. 2nd check in hotel lobby.

    We still get some time without a knock on the door but it is inconsistent. Have seen 2+ hours go by before knock and beer request and have seen 1 hour go by before knock and beer request.

    I got the feeling it is still initiated by the girl.

  12. #15792
    Quote Originally Posted by Jackie888  [View Original Post]
    What was fishy to me was that I noticed that the meseros and the girls don't really give a shit about this guy nor his money, nor the money on the ground. It seems they were more interested in the food on the table.

    I am tempted to wear a t-shirt that says "HK shrill" and an arrow. Then spend the night standing next to this dude's booth.
    I suspect guys promoting this shill theory really haven't thought things through. With all of HK's money and marketing expertise, this is the best they can come up with? An overweight Armenian / Iranian / Arab / Whatever throwing food and money around and getting the DJ to play crap songs? Seriously?

    Now if I were hiring a shill for a clip joint, sorry, a Gentlemen's Club, like HK, I'd hire a couple of suave, guapo guys, give them stacks of singles to toss around, and make sure several of the best looking girls would fawn all over them. THIS would attract far more clientele than a fat Arab. Kind of a no-brainer.

    And if this guy is spending his own money, what's that to anybody? How is it anybody's business how he spends it? If he wants to light it on fire and roast marshmallows he's welcome to. It's none of my business.

  13. #15791
    Gentlemen,

    If you like your ATF, please treat her nice instead of treating her like a hooker. Please take her to a proper Love motel (like Premier, etc.) where rooms are rented at 4 hour intervals on the weekends instead of a shithole like Cascadas where the chicas are murdered every now an then and they nickels and dime you for every stupid thing. The Uber ride to these love motels, even in rush hour is under $10. The rooms are near Vegas quality. There are no convicts working as waiters. No con artists masquerading as managers. Cascadas sucks when compared to places outside the Zona Norte.

  14. #15790

    1st timer report

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawrbomb  [View Original Post]
    Been reading about HK for a while now and finally decided to go. Went across and got an Uber and got there around 6:30 pm. Bought the VIP card and then checked into 9th floor suite. Pretty nice room for a decent rate with the discount, no way it's worth full price. Went across to Oxxo and picked up a bottle of tequila and 12-pack of beer. Came back across the street and one of the bellman saw my fumbling with the cans falling and offered to help me bring it to my room. In hindsight, a mistake was telling him this was my first time in HK as you'll see why later.

    Went down and did a few laps, of the place. Place was popping for 8 pm on a weeknight. Lotsa ladies, most just sitting around or standing and being on their phones. Got a few drinks and was just chilling in the quiet bar at the back when a mesero comes by and sits a blonde next to me and asks if I want to buy her a drink. Did a quick scan and yeah, she's my type. Introduced herself as Navie (or something like that) and I spend some time talking to her while she's sipping on her beer. I got lost in time but it feels like she finished her beer in about 15 minutes and mesero comes by asking for another. I told her 'no, I'd rather just go up and not get another drink'. A mistake in hindsight. She quoted $100 and I countered and we eventually agreed to $100 for a full hour. I brought over edibles and already took 4 of them already. She said she smoked MJ so she was open to taking one of the edibles. Looking back, this is where I started to fuck up my night. Since I wanted to just take it slow and chill, I ask her if she'd be willing to make it 2 hours in the room for an extra $50. I think we ended up agreeing on $240 for 2.5 hours as I didn't think that I'd be heading down again. She asks for cash up front, and I tell her I'll give her half now, half when we're done. Looking back now, I could see she was procrastinating slightly and taking her time and I knew why a bit later. Soon after, a knock came on the door and it was 2 meseros saying I needed to buy beer or else the girl has to go back down. His English was very broken, so he radios in to who I assume is the floor supervisor / manager. He shows up and sure enough, its the same guy who walked me to my room earlier that night. Says I have to buy a buck of 10 beers in order for her to stay the extra hour. I told them I don't have enough cash to buy beer as I negotiated the 2 hours with her and I had no idea the room required a $200 deposit. So they tell me I can go down and pay by card. The knock alone was a major buzzkill, and heading down to pay for the beers, yeah, that didn't help. So he tells me that the bucket is good for another hour and then she got to go back down to work. Pretty bullshit if you ask me, what the hell is the point in getting a room. I was also pretty buzzed but realized they overcharged me for $3000 pesos, so not the $100 for the bucket he said (probably would have been $100 with cash). Either way, get back to the room, and start fooling around more and she starts to give CBJ. Don't know if it was the tons of booze with the edibles and the buzzkill interruption but couldn't get junior going. Little over an hour later, another knock but just once so I ignored it pretending I couldn't hear it and it stops. About 10 minutes later, more heavy knocking. Open the door and its 3 meseros and the floor manager, says that she got to go back down to work and that if I want her longer in the room, had to pay for another 10 beers, or for the rest of the night, it'd be 30 beers. I'm like, dude, I can't even drink anymore and I didn't even want to buy the original bucket. So decided to call it the end of the night as there was no way I was going to buy more booze. On her way out, she gets my phone # and it wasn't until I came back to the US where I see that she had sent a message last night in Spanish. Translated and it was basically her mentioning that she had to pay the bar $100 as a penalty. I'm assuming this was another ploy to squeeze more money. By the time she left, she had stayed for about 2. 5-3 hours and I paid her $240 total and what looks to be about $155 for the bucket for 0 pops.

    Needless to say, pretty disappointed about the trip, maybe I overhyped it in my head after reading about it here and elsewhere. Looking back, here are some things I should have done differently: not tell anyone that it's my first trip (guess that pretty much opens you up to get gouged). Negotiating with her for just an hour (if they're going to knock after an hour to make you buy booze, what the point is there to negotiate extra time? Might bring over my vape pen next time. As far as the girl is concerned, I should have let her go after she downed her drink relatively quickly or after the first knock (when she already had $150 from me, but probably better to cut losses).

    In the end, I realized mistakes were made and lessons were learnt. I'm thinking of maybe going back in a week or two, but not have too much expectations this time around. I noticed that the women are not nearly as aggressive as the dancers in the states or in Vegas. Walking around and sitting around for 2 hours or so, I wasn't approached by a single chica. Either they all think I don't have money or too ugly or something. I do have a question about how you approach girls that are just sitting / standing on their phones. It's hard to get a good look as you're walking by them and it feels weird to just stop in front of one to check them out. I've read here in the forums that some other mongers have had their best experiences with girls who they approached, but damn, it'd be crazy expensive to spend a beer on every single chica that you talk to. My goal was (and I guess still is) to find a chica who's a typical 'bad girl', smokes, drinks, tats / piercings, kinda like your stereotypical porn star that's open to sexy fun but damn, how the hell do you vet from the crowd of 100+ chicas.
    I am a vet and well known in the club and the hotel. That didn't stop them from nipping me, even with my own room.

    Several times over the past six years I have asked HK BGs that I have on speed dial to come to my Cascadas or Rizzo hotel room instead of tracking them down in the club. A few times they have arrived with a mesero in tow who requires that I buy a bucket for the first hour. Lesson learned: Meet the girl in HK and walk her to the room. Don't tell anyone that you are taking her for more than 30 minutes or risk them putting the arm on you for a bucket for an hour, including the first hour. (A trusted mesero coached us on how to avoid getting nipped for the bucket.).

    I have also had situations where I had my own room and the HK BG and I fell asleep. Security or a mesero (usually a mesero with a bucket in hand) would knock on the door after about an hour looking for the girl and saying that if she is going to stay longer, I must buy the bucket. If I do, they are back an hour later with another bucket. They say it is because she is on her shift and should be working in the bar selling fichas. (Ten fichas an hour every hour? The girls would be spending every other hour in the bano if they were drinking ten fichas an hour.).

    Recently I arraigned with an HK ATF for a TLN off-the-clock. On her way up to the room, security stopped her and escorted her to my room. They wanted $300 for her to spend the night or $100 for one hour or $200 for two hours. I said no! They said it was a new rule to prevent girls from making arraignments OTC and calling in sick to meet with the monger. Later I met her on the street, we had dinner, and I told her that I still wanted to spend the night with her. She said that we could go to a local crap hotel that would be $30 for the room for the night. I said no, because I had a master suite and I wanted to be in a nice room for her. I went back to security and negotiated the night for $200. Security said the next time, now that I know the rule, it would be $300. Sucked, but I wanted the girl bad. It did put a little hole in my budget, but the little head won out. (It was worth it.) What is galling is that I have been doing TLNs with OTC HK BGs for six years and never had any grief like this.

    The point being, you didn't make a lot of mistakes; you just got played. I don't think telling someone that it was your first time would have made a lot of difference. And you cannot argue with security or the meseros, as they will always tell you that it is the management that is enforcing these rules, not them.

    I wrote a long article (New Rules.) that I thought I posted here about this experience. If you are still feeling green, you might track it down to learn more about playing their game to win. My solution is to rent a room at one of the chica-friendly hotels, which I did the next night (Hotel Caesar). HK / Cascadas / Rizzo play these games like I am a sucker means they don't want my money and I am voting with my dollars. I will still take HK BGs that I have on speed dial TLN to the nearby hotels. Instead of starting my hunts in HK and freely spending money there, I will start in CC and AB. And I will not be buying nearly as many drinks / fichas in BT or HK. They aren't going to notice the loss or care, but I will feel better about it.

    And if you want a vet wingman and our schedules line up, be happy to meet you (or any dedicated monger) in Tijuana sometime.

  15. #15789

    Renata

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxsie  [View Original Post]
    Need everyone to be aware of a chica by the name of Renata working in HK Club. She said she's from Guadalajara. Medium build Brunette with a slight hunchback. She walks around with a curly hair blonde. First off, I have been going to HK for many many years, always a great time there. Granted some chicas are dead fish and know no other techniques but lay there, but at least service was rendered. With Renata, it was like a really bad dream. Here's what happened: On Sunday night I got there around 9:30 PM. Had a couple beers, walked around, and spotted Renata. I went up and strike up a conversation. She claimed she didn't speak English, and immediately pulled out her phone translator. So I typed in how much for going to hotel. She replied, in English, 150. At this point I should have just walked away. Mistake #1. Instead I tried to negotiate, so I typed on her phone, the usual rate is 100. She hesitated for a few seconds, and agreed. So up to the hotel room we went. I undressed, took a quick rinse, ready for action. She took off her rope, asked for money up front. Mistake #2, I handed over the Benjamin to her without hesitation. Things started to go south from here on out, she started to make small talks, asking about what music I'd like to listen to, where I was from, etc. Etc. All the while just standing there still with her bra and panty on. After about 10 minutes of BS-ing, she asked if I wanted a massage. I was like, hmm that's unusual, don't all HK chicas want to get their clients off ASAP so they can go back to the club and hustle more? But I obliged, a half-ass massage ensued. At this time I finally realized she has no interests in fucking me. I turned around and said let's go. She was not happy, and started giving me attitudes. She handed me the condom and motioned me to put it on myself. WTF!.
    Dude, I think you might be in the wrong here man. Her offering a massage is simply her trying to make the encounter a little less mechanical and more personal and intimate. Absolutely nothing wrong with her quoting 150 (just trying to make a living) and nothing wrong with her asking for money first (most mongers are low lifes who will try to low ball the girl and not pay). She told you to stop and do it slowly too; nothing wrong with that. She's a person that feels pain and not some junkie that you were probably just trying to penetrate violently and disrespectfully especially since you say you "pulled" her head to your dick. Come on man. I'm a monger myself and it doesn't take a genius reading your post to realize that you were a big part of the wrong here by disrespecting her and treating her as nothing more than a price of meat you wanted to disrespect. Her pushing you off of her is not surprising as you were likely rude to her and she has no obligations to let you continue disrespecting her beyond your 30 minutes. I see minimal faults here on her part. Sorry bro.

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