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  1. #10952

    Tips in bars

    Jinxx.

    Waiters in most US bars and restaurants split tips with the kitchen staff at shift ends. They always complain violently with their friends that clients are too cheap on tips.

    HK club may be different. Bar tenders and meseros leave their shift separately. One time I was at the meseros' shift-end muster in their lockers room on third floor before they went home. Did not see any collection of tips from meseros to split with anyone. AFAIK meseros keep all tip money to themselves.

    If you can, ask bar tenders or managers if they are allowed to keep tips from clients or have a split with meseros at shift ends.

  2. #10951
    Quote Originally Posted by Jinxx  [View Original Post]
    I don't know the exact system in place at HK or Mexican clubs, but in an American restaurant for example the waiters pay a "tip out" at the end of the night which is a percentage of their tips to the bartenders and the bussers. So the bartender receives that tip out money plus his own tips from whoever he serves at the bar. With the tip out system the bartender has incentive to make great drinks in a timely manner. The better job he does keeping his servers supplied with their drink orders, the more the meseros make which results in more money for everybody. I'd be very surprised if the tips I give the bartenders when they serve me a drink just go straight to the club owner, but hey I guess I could start asking around to get to the bottom of this.

    But now that I think about it the clubs do seem like they're not really set up for guys to order from the bar. Many times I've found it hard to even get the bartender's attention to serve me a drink. Many times when I'm sitting at the bar I still end up ordering from a mesero instead of the bartender. But I like taking care of the meseros. I've never really had a problem with the meseros in Tijuana and I'm a cheap bastard truth be told. I used to show up to a club, not spend one single peso inside the club, and grab a chica to go straight arriba. Slowly I started realizing jeez I should let these people at least make something, so I'll order a drink or a ficha just to put a little money in their pocket and gain a little popularity. A little bit goes a long way especially outside of HK and especially on a slow night. But I always make sure to "set the tone" with my mesero like hey I'm going to take care of you but don't try to play me like I'm a chump.
    It may come as a surprise, but the meseros in HK have to pay to work there. I forget the amount. Weekends cost more than weekdays. I think I've heard that the weekend rate is $40/ day, but I am not positive.

    The point is that meseros IMO would never tip anybody because they have to hustle and scam and cheat in order to make that daily nut, just to they can turn some kind of profit at the end of the day. Add a shitton of meseros, far more than is really necessary, and you have fierce competition for every peso, and an atmosphere ripe for ripoffs.

  3. #10950

    Furthermore

    Quote Originally Posted by ClamSlammer  [View Original Post]
    You are exaggerating the amount of problematic customers those in the service industry
    And another thing, if I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times, I never exaggerate!

  4. #10949

    Putting this argument to (twilight) sleep

    Quote Originally Posted by ClamSlammer  [View Original Post]
    You are exaggerating the amount of problematic customers those in the service industry. Sure there are a few, and you will inevitably run into them from time to time, but you are trying to make it sound like half the customers you deal with are too demanding, insulting and abusive. Not true. If you provide below-average to good service, these types of customers will be few and far between. It is when you provide terrible service that you will encounter a higher rate of abusive customers. The fact is, if you provide average service or better, the great majority of customers will behave just fine.

    My point is, being a waiter is a menial, easy job. Randomly pick 1000 people out of the population. Train them for 2 days and 1000 of them will be able to perform the job. Then take those same 1000 people and train them for two days to be an anesthesiologist. Two days later you will have 0 anesthesiologists.
    So, you had to do it, huh? You just had to play the anesthesiologist card, didn't you? You've been carrying that around in your back pocket, just waiting for a day like today, & then BOOM!

    And I thought this was going to be a fair fight.

  5. #10948
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSolo  [View Original Post]
    HK's bar tenders serve meseros. Did you ever see meseros tip them? I don't think meseros take up collection at shift's end to share their tips with them. Meseros keep all the tips they make.

    Everything in La Zona works on incentives and kick backs to the individuals. Unlike the US if HK's bar tenders are allowed to take tip, the meseros would have tipped them. When I tip bar tenders I notice they put the money into the cash register, not their own pockets, and they act cool like it's not necessary or appreciated. I believe bar tenders handle cash for the boss, are not allowed to take money from the bar, and work on salary alone. If they are suspected of stealing from the bar, they may get whacked! I don't want to give tip unnecessarily to help HK's owner get richer! I would rather give that money to the poor girls.

    So far they have not resented me or given me hard times. They still sell me beers cheerfully, hold my extra beers in their ice box to keep them cold and give me free beers when the floor managers order them to. I am only guessing. I may be wrong. Any bros have better insight into the bar tenders' compensation please shed some light. Any bro with good Spanish should ask a bar tender. If I am wrong I would tip them from now on.

    One big advantage, meseros know I would not buy from them, so they leave me alone, never nagging.
    I don't know the exact system in place at HK or Mexican clubs, but in an American restaurant for example the waiters pay a "tip out" at the end of the night which is a percentage of their tips to the bartenders and the bussers. So the bartender receives that tip out money plus his own tips from whoever he serves at the bar. With the tip out system the bartender has incentive to make great drinks in a timely manner. The better job he does keeping his servers supplied with their drink orders, the more the meseros make which results in more money for everybody. I'd be very surprised if the tips I give the bartenders when they serve me a drink just go straight to the club owner, but hey I guess I could start asking around to get to the bottom of this.

    But now that I think about it the clubs do seem like they're not really set up for guys to order from the bar. Many times I've found it hard to even get the bartender's attention to serve me a drink. Many times when I'm sitting at the bar I still end up ordering from a mesero instead of the bartender. But I like taking care of the meseros. I've never really had a problem with the meseros in Tijuana and I'm a cheap bastard truth be told. I used to show up to a club, not spend one single peso inside the club, and grab a chica to go straight arriba. Slowly I started realizing jeez I should let these people at least make something, so I'll order a drink or a ficha just to put a little money in their pocket and gain a little popularity. A little bit goes a long way especially outside of HK and especially on a slow night. But I always make sure to "set the tone" with my mesero like hey I'm going to take care of you but don't try to play me like I'm a chump.

  6. #10947
    Quote Originally Posted by ClamSlammer  [View Original Post]
    My point is, being a waiter is a menial, easy job. Randomly pick 1000 people out of the population. Train them for 2 days and 1000 of them will be able to perform the job..
    But you will have 1,000 technicians adequately trained for assignment to hospitals for the purpose of administering happy endings.

  7. #10946
    Quote Originally Posted by ClamSlammer  [View Original Post]
    My point is, being a waiter is a menial, easy job. Randomly pick 1000 people out of the population. Train them for 2 days and 1000 of them will be able to perform the job..
    But you will have 1,000 technicians adequately trained for assignment to hospitals for the purpose of administering happy endings.

  8. #10945

    Yes

    Was thinking of just that last month. Hoping they will also extend from 3 to 4 month so they can attract the business back. Lots of people lost their job.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSolo  [View Original Post]
    Any bro considering asking HK to refund or credit the card for the months it shut down?

    The front desk guy may just calmly tell you to "Mete la tarjeta en tu culo".

  9. #10944
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSolo  [View Original Post]
    Amorpornada,

    I met a beautiful, all -natural Spanish-white Cubana in Florida, immediately fell in love with her pretty, sweet face and her fun, gentle personality.

    I was planning a trip to Cuba for educational / humanitarian purposes before the CoVid-19 hit. But all pictures I see in present day Cuba show girls looking very rough, dark, scrawny, bony, hungry, bad skin. Guys have said they could find dark-skin girls for sex, but could never engage light-skin ones in sex. Can you find hot girls like in HK?
    Most definitely. They are all over the place. Hot black ones too. Was there last November. Getting back ASAP.

  10. #10943
    Quote Originally Posted by JH1001  [View Original Post]
    It was having to be *constantly* multi-tasked, while the customers, who thought they were dealing with indentured fucking servants, incessantly called upon you, in the most demeaning & insulting ways, to complain about a bunch of shit, much of which you had no control over anyway.

    My point was that any time you are dealing with the general public, customers, etc. , you are going to have a rough time. And that's because, on an incredibly frequent basis, you will have the most ridiculous demands placed on you & you will be treated like crap while you carry them out.
    You are exaggerating the amount of problematic customers those in the service industry. Sure there are a few, and you will inevitably run into them from time to time, but you are trying to make it sound like half the customers you deal with are too demanding, insulting and abusive. Not true. If you provide below-average to good service, these types of customers will be few and far between. It is when you provide terrible service that you will encounter a higher rate of abusive customers. The fact is, if you provide average service or better, the great majority of customers will behave just fine.

    My point is, being a waiter is a menial, easy job. Randomly pick 1000 people out of the population. Train them for 2 days and 1000 of them will be able to perform the job. Then take those same 1000 people and train them for two days to be an anesthesiologist. Two days later you will have 0 anesthesiologists.

  11. #10942

    HK's $50 VIP card refund or credit?

    Any bro considering asking HK to refund or credit the card for the months it shut down?

    The front desk guy may just calmly tell you to "Mete la tarjeta en tu culo".

  12. #10941

    Cubanas

    Amorpornada,

    I met a beautiful, all -natural Spanish-white Cubana in Florida, immediately fell in love with her pretty, sweet face and her fun, gentle personality.

    I was planning a trip to Cuba for educational / humanitarian purposes before the CoVid-19 hit. But all pictures I see in present day Cuba show girls looking very rough, dark, scrawny, bony, hungry, bad skin. Guys have said they could find dark-skin girls for sex, but could never engage light-skin ones in sex. Can you find hot girls like in HK?

  13. #10940
    Quote Originally Posted by JH1001  [View Original Post]
    Now, before I start a "Being a Waiter is a Difficult Job" thread, I'd just like to say this: When I was just a lad, I actually worked in a restaurant. (Of course, this was before I found out that with very little talent & a whole lot of luck, I too, could become a professional douchebag in the entertainment industry.) Yes, I actually worked in a restaurant for a grand total of 2 days. And it was one of the most stressful jobs I ever had. It wasn't so much that it was incredibly mentally challenging (outside of memorizing the ins & outs of a million menu items.) It was having to be *constantly* multi-tasked, while the customers, who thought they were dealing with indentured fucking servants, incessantly called upon you, in the most demeaning & insulting ways, to complain about a bunch of shit, much of which you had no control over anyway.

    Now, I'm quite sure that there are tons of jobs that are thousands of times more stressful, more difficult, etc. But that is not the point here. And along those lines, ClamSlammer, I think that you missed my point. My point was that any time you are dealing with the general public, customers, etc. , you are going to have a rough time. And that's because, on an incredibly frequent basis, you will have the most ridiculous demands placed on you & you will be treated like crap while you carry them out. And that's exactly why I tip people in the service industry.

    ClamSlammer, you were one of the other people that I was hoping would respond to my post. I read your posts on here quite a bit. You seem pretty knowledgeable, especially when it comes to life in Zona Norte & I've learned quite a bit. Also, your choice of words is often so eloquent. For example, "imbecile". What a great word. I don't hear it often enough, as I usually only get called "moron" or "dumb ass". So, thanks!

    Finally, a little side note here: I contribute when I can on this board but it's not nearly as much as I would like & that's simply because I can't find the time. Now, with all my shit cancelled or moved until way later in the year, I've got nothing but time! So, that being said, this is actually the first time in my life that I've gotten involved in an online debate &, well, I'm as giddy as a school girl! I know we're talking about waiters & it's on a forum for men to discuss hookers in Tijuana but, hey, you got to start somewhere, right?

    If anyone else wants to fight me on some inane shit, by all means, please let me know!
    All jobs are easy. To the guy who has never done it.

    Years ago, and I forget the reasons, my son worked as a janitor for a brief period of time. Now any half-wit can sweep a floor, right? Well, he had an older "mentor" who taught him the ins and outs. One day years later he was assisting me in sweeping out my shop. I had no idea how involved something as simple as sweeping a floor can be. It all depends on how well you want to do it, and how much pride you take in your work. Much like anything else.

    What infuriates me these days is that so much of the service industry has taken it right in the shorts. All the talking heads are pontificating about sheltering in place, and don't leave, and it's for your own good. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of people in the service industry are facing serious economic disaster. But who gives a shit about those people, anyway?

  14. #10939

    Service

    I'm a bartender and serve also, I'm not going to say it's a difficult job, but it's definitely not a job most people can do, it can be tough. However, us people working in the service industry make pretty good money, plus I only work 25 ish hrs a week giving me plenty of time for school and hobbies.

  15. #10938
    After the first three HK meseros short changed me, scammed me, took away a chica's drink half full, harassed me, embarrassed me, tried to intimidate me, starred me down in front of my chica, I stopped giving a fuck about how hard his job is, because I am too busy worried about him stealing my money.

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