Hong Kong Club Reports

[HK Monger]

Let me clarify what I meant by Client / Provider relationship vs looking for more.

To me, a client / provider relationship is when she views time spent with you as work that she needs to be paid for. She may feign interest, but she really has no interest in you, sexually or otherwise, and would not spend time with you except under the condition that you pay her.

To move beyond this doesn't mean that she is "in love with you. " or that she is now your girlfriend. It simply means that she likes spending time with you, and enjoys the sex with you, so that it is understood that it really isn't a great deal of work for her to be there. Any money she receives is now just a bonus to an already fun time. In addition, she may at this time let you into her life a bit and you may get to know her circle of friends, or you may become "one of the gang". You can go into a deeper relationship from here but it's really not necessary.

If you are in the first category you are hurting. It is necessary to move into the second category to get any reasonable deal. I guess if you are rich and can just throw any amount of money at women this might not even matter that much to you, but I'm not in that boat. Thus, I need to gauge a girls level of interest carefully before preceding.

[HK Monger]

So you are actually trying to turn a working girl into a "relationship" of some kind?

I mean whatever makes you happy but have you considered what this ride will be like? Or you just trying to get free sex from a girl who sells sex as her job?

Man, I've been to that mountaintop and back. People might say I'm crazy but I liked the thrill of it. I still do, but I'm more cautious now.

If a relationship opportunity presented itself, would I take it? Maybe, I don't know. I mean, anyone who spends there free time going to a w****house must have deep psychological issues, right? I'm probably as fucked up as any of the girls in there, so it's actually a good match. lol

But in the short term, if I take a girl OTC, all I really want to know is that the girl likes being there. That's basically it. Then they get the money plus a fun time. That is satisfying to me. But I get scared of easily if I feel she's not down for it.

I don't go looking for free sex. I don't have a lot of "game" so to speak. And all that game stuff just seems like a lot of work anyway so you might as well just spend the money. Spending the money has always been easier and more natural than anything else, for me.

And, if a girl likes you and you have good chemistry, she's likely going to give you a good deal. Not free, mind you, but a good deal. If it really isn't that much "work" for her to be with you she is going to give you perks. If she thinks you're an ugly boring dude and she just tolerates you for the money, you're going to have to pay the ugly boring dude price.

[Zenduka1]

Well, I wouldn't go with a girl if I though I was going to be just. A "client". Would any guy? I 100% expect more than that, or at least the potential for more than that. Otherwise, it's just not worth it.

It's actually a fallacy to believe that just because a girl works at HK, you are relegated to being her client in some kind of business relationship. They are just ordinary girls when it comes down to it. They can like you or not like you just like an a girl you meet in everyday life.

They can like you or not, just like any other woman—but money has to always be part of the equation. An HK girl (or any working girl) usually isn’t comfortable if a former client treats her like just any regular woman. Once they know you’re aware they’re putas, they relax more as long as money stays in the picture. Outside of that, no puta really chills with you for long—at least, not usually. There are whole movies about this kind of dynamic.

Also, it depends on the arrangement, but her time with you has to be worth her while in some way, even if no cash changes hands. And honestly, you could argue that all interactions between men and women come down to what each person gets out of it.

[Zenduka1]

How many HK putas have you had sex with otc without giving them any cash? How many have you done that with more than once?

If I don't pay, I can't fack.

[AmorPorFavor]

One more thing. The worst case is when a guy says "I'm going to pay you X dollars to do this with me" and then starts acting like she's his girlfriend. Then the guy is deluded. My technique is to draw the girls out and see what their true intentions are. And the way you do that is obviously not promising any money and see how they react. If she closes the door on any prospects beyond a client / provider relationship, we keep in in the club. If she leaves the door open, we proceed.

How many HK putas have you had sex with otc without giving them any cash? How many have you done that with more than once?

[Hadez]

So you are actually trying to turn a working girl into a "relationship" of some kind?

I mean whatever makes you happy but have you considered what this ride will be like? Or you just trying to get free sex from a girl who sells sex as her job?

Well, I wouldn't go with a girl if I though I was going to be just. A "client". Would any guy? I 100% expect more than that, or at least the potential for more than that. Otherwise, it's just not worth it.

It's actually a fallacy to believe that just because a girl works at HK, you are relegated to being her client in some kind of business relationship. They are just ordinary girls when it comes down to it. They can like you or not like you just like an a girl you meet in everyday life. I know this from personal experience. I think the secret to HK is to actually realize this important fact and not somehow put the girls on a pedestal. This is hard for some guys becuase they do get all made up and present themselves as some kind of sexual fantasy, but believe me, they don't look as good the morning after. They are just normal girls.

Now, what a lot of guys get wrong is thinking they are going to jump into a non-client relationship with these girls. That's not going to happen, in general. If it's been all too easy, then, yes, you are still her client. You have to put in the time and effort to get past the client stage. Most all women, no matter what thier background, expect this time and effort to be put in order to actually let you into their lives.

For reference, the last girl I took out of the club asked me out, not the other way around. She was crazy about me (actually, she was just plain crazy, looking back). A girl like that only comes around once in a blue moon though.

[Hadez]

The details of your post indicate to me that possibly you thought you were going to get a free good time. That can happen. Obviously that is not what was on her mind.

These ladies are selling a fantasy as a job. A good business lady will make sure the expectations she has are known the first time going otc with a guy.

Have seen many locas otc. There is always a discussion on money expected the first time. The next otc visits money is never discussed. After the time in the club and the one visit these locas know they can trust me. If I am flying them into Tijuana I will bring it up before buying the plane ticket just to make sure we are on same page. I think this arrangement is fantastic. Their performance is what makes the time amazing.

Many USA sex workers want to set up so many boundaries usually defined by their pimp or someone acting like a pimp for them. These latinas deserve awards for the performances I get. USA girls are so cold I can see why some mongers may actually think they are going to be special to a girl who is just on the clock for her job.

Seen some guys think they are being worked for a visa. This happens too. Multiple girls I have seen have no interest coming to the USA. Some do of course but it is not 100% of the girls in Latin America like some people think.

I see her a couple more times over the coming weeks. Same result. She's young, cute, and basically my type, so finally I ask her if she is free any day so we can potentially do something outside the club. She says "sure" and is recommending places we could go, which I interpret as another good sign. When we finish for the night, I indicate that I am going to text her next week to make arrangements. As we part ways, she say to me "you are going to text me, right?" and I say "yeah".

So the next week I am texting her and the deal is almost sealed when she drops this, "You are going to pay me to go out with you, right?" Damn, so close. I try to be as nice as possible. I tell her that, yes, I was going to make it worth her while, but asking so directly makes it feel transactional and that I'm not looking for just an Escort. The says that she needs to work and that she's not looking for a boyfriend for the time being. The moment being ruined, I say, "oh well maybe another time. ".

So basically she's off the table for now. Though I will concede that she may just be inexperienced and not understand how the long game works. She is pretty fun for the short game, though, so I may still go with her at the club now and then.

[HK Monger]

Trust me I'm the same way and in my younger days I was worse. I remember a girl I would do TLN with I was asking her to be sure that she is only going with me because she wanted to and not just for the money. She got irritated and basically said if I'm with you it's because she enjoys it and not just for money.

Some girls have clients that don't understand the concept that the Zona is all fantasy and some guys think of seeing a girl outside as an actual date. I'm not saying this was your case but if this girl has a bad history of clients getting confused on what the truth is she might of wanted to be honest with you instead of trying to string you along. Especially when she said she was working and not looking for a boyfriend since she might of felt that's what you wanted. Obviously I'm just giving my point of view since I don't know all of your conversations.

One more thing. The worst case is when a guy says "I'm going to pay you X dollars to do this with me" and then starts acting like she's his girlfriend. Then the guy is deluded. My technique is to draw the girls out and see what their true intentions are. And the way you do that is obviously not promising any money and see how they react. If she closes the door on any prospects beyond a client / provider relationship, we keep in in the club. If she leaves the door open, we proceed.

[HK Monger]

Trust me I'm the same way and in my younger days I was worse. I remember a girl I would do TLN with I was asking her to be sure that she is only going with me because she wanted to and not just for the money. She got irritated and basically said if I'm with you it's because she enjoys it and not just for money.

Some girls have clients that don't understand the concept that the Zona is all fantasy and some guys think of seeing a girl outside as an actual date. I'm not saying this was your case but if this girl has a bad history of clients getting confused on what the truth is she might of wanted to be honest with you instead of trying to string you along. Especially when she said she was working and not looking for a boyfriend since she might of felt that's what you wanted. Obviously I'm just giving my point of view since I don't know all of your conversations.

Well, I wouldn't go with a girl if I though I was going to be just. A "client". Would any guy? I 100% expect more than that, or at least the potential for more than that. Otherwise, it's just not worth it.

It's actually a fallacy to believe that just because a girl works at HK, you are relegated to being her client in some kind of business relationship. They are just ordinary girls when it comes down to it. They can like you or not like you just like an a girl you meet in everyday life. I know this from personal experience. I think the secret to HK is to actually realize this important fact and not somehow put the girls on a pedestal. This is hard for some guys becuase they do get all made up and present themselves as some kind of sexual fantasy, but believe me, they don't look as good the morning after. They are just normal girls.

Now, what a lot of guys get wrong is thinking they are going to jump into a non-client relationship with these girls. That's not going to happen, in general. If it's been all too easy, then, yes, you are still her client. You have to put in the time and effort to get past the client stage. Most all women, no matter what thier background, expect this time and effort to be put in order to actually let you into their lives.

For reference, the last girl I took out of the club asked me out, not the other way around. She was crazy about me (actually, she was just plain crazy, looking back). A girl like that only comes around once in a blue moon though.

[Sol12]

Yeah, I'm kind of weird about that. Ha Ha.

No, she did nothing wrong. I'm not upset with her and will still probably see her in HK. We had not talked about any money (or sex) leading up to this. I had just asked her if she wanted to go to this club. As I mentioned before, I have no interest in just buying a girl's time OTC. I can do that in HK. So I actually look for a girl who I think wants to be there. They can't just be punching the clock when we go out. For this reason, discussions of money are kind of awkward for me. The best I can hope for is that she will just go along with it, with the understanding that I'm going to give her something. So when she more or less asked me to pay her, my first thought is "she doesn't want to go. " And I'm not just going to sit there with someone who doesn't want to be there and is waiting for a paycheck.

As you can see, what I like is pretty rare. So I "almost" never take a girl outside the club. My view is that investing time, energy, and money in a female outside of HK requires mutual attraction, or at the very least that she likes hanging out with you. If you don't have that, just keep it in HK.

The great thing about Tijuana is that even when you get turned down by a girl (as I basically did), youv'e already had incredible sex with her several times! Ha Ha. When doed that happen in real life? It's a win win situation every time!

Trust me I'm the same way and in my younger days I was worse. I remember a girl I would do TLN with I was asking her to be sure that she is only going with me because she wanted to and not just for the money. She got irritated and basically said if I'm with you it's because she enjoys it and not just for money.

Some girls have clients that don't understand the concept that the Zona is all fantasy and some guys think of seeing a girl outside as an actual date. I'm not saying this was your case but if this girl has a bad history of clients getting confused on what the truth is she might of wanted to be honest with you instead of trying to string you along. Especially when she said she was working and not looking for a boyfriend since she might of felt that's what you wanted. Obviously I'm just giving my point of view since I don't know all of your conversations.

[HK Monger]

I don't get what she did wrong. Unless the two of you hadn't mentioned anything about spending the night together she just wanted to make sure you didn't think her time and sex was free. Or she just wanted to clarify you wanted.

I would say that guys try to take advantage of girls more than the girls do of guys. IMO. Since I'm not sure of every conversation you had with her and what was exactly said I would imagine that you never made it clear to her that you would compensate her for sex and since your the man you need to make sure she knows the situation and what you want.

Yeah, I'm kind of weird about that. Ha Ha.

No, she did nothing wrong. I'm not upset with her and will still probably see her in HK. We had not talked about any money (or sex) leading up to this. I had just asked her if she wanted to go to this club. As I mentioned before, I have no interest in just buying a girl's time OTC. I can do that in HK. So I actually look for a girl who I think wants to be there. They can't just be punching the clock when we go out. For this reason, discussions of money are kind of awkward for me. The best I can hope for is that she will just go along with it, with the understanding that I'm going to give her something. So when she more or less asked me to pay her, my first thought is "she doesn't want to go. " And I'm not just going to sit there with someone who doesn't want to be there and is waiting for a paycheck.

As you can see, what I like is pretty rare. So I "almost" never take a girl outside the club. My view is that investing time, energy, and money in a female outside of HK requires mutual attraction, or at the very least that she likes hanging out with you. If you don't have that, just keep it in HK.

The great thing about Tijuana is that even when you get turned down by a girl (as I basically did), youv'e already had incredible sex with her several times! Ha Ha. When doed that happen in real life? It's a win win situation every time!

[Nothing24]

I see her a couple more times over the coming weeks. Same result. She's young, cute, and basically my type, so finally I ask her if she is free any day so we can potentially do something outside the club. She says "sure" and is recommending places we could go, which I interpret as another good sign. When we finish for the night, I indicate that I am going to text her next week to make arrangements. As we part ways, she say to me "you are going to text me, right?" and I say "yeah".

So the next week I am texting her and the deal is almost sealed when she drops this, "You are going to pay me to go out with you, right?" Damn, so close. I try to be as nice as possible. I tell her that, yes, I was going to make it worth her while, but asking so directly makes it feel transactional and that I'm not looking for just an Escort. The says that she needs to work and that she's not looking for a boyfriend for the time being. The moment being ruined, I say, "oh well maybe another time. ".

So basically she's off the table for now. Though I will concede that she may just be inexperienced and not understand how the long game works. She is pretty fun for the short game, though, so I may still go with her at the club now and then.

This reminded me of an HK girl I met not too long ago. First day we met we hit it off right away. Complete GFE and reasonably priced. Ran into her the following week, I had recently just popped with someone else, so I told her I was on my way out but would invite her for a couple drinks if she would like and she said sure. Thought this would put a damp on things but she was being very affectionate and making out with me the entire time. She asks when are we going to see each other OTC. I told her anytime she would like and she said ok but said I better come prepared because she supposedly likes to fuck for hours. Of course everything sounded great and everything but then she hit me with "it's going to cost you though". Total mood killer. I know it's going to cost me, it's pointless to say that, dummy. I was obviously going to compensate you. Then I started thinking well how much is this chick expecting? 300, 500, 1000? It was such a turn off I didn't even ask her how much. I just played it cool and finished up our drinks and told her I would catch her around next time.

The best girls never bring up money and are typically happy with whatever you give them as long as youre fair and treat them well. A lesson this girl will have to learn on her own.

Since I have plenty of other chicas in my rotation, I haven't been with that same girl since. I'll get around to seeing her again at some point, just not in a hurry to do so.

[Sol12]

So the next week I am texting her and the deal is almost sealed when she drops this, "You are going to pay me to go out with you, right?" Damn, so close. I try to be as nice as possible. I tell her that, yes, I was going to make it worth her while, but asking so directly makes it feel transactional and that I'm not looking for just an Escort. The says that she needs to work and that she's not looking for a boyfriend for the time being. The moment being ruined, I say, "oh well maybe another time. ".

So basically she's off the table for now. Though I will concede that she may just be inexperienced and not understand how the long game works. She is pretty fun for the short game, though, so I may still go with her at the club now and then.

I don't get what she did wrong. Unless the two of you hadn't mentioned anything about spending the night together she just wanted to make sure you didn't think her time and sex was free. Or she just wanted to clarify you wanted.

I would say that guys try to take advantage of girls more than the girls do of guys. IMO. Since I'm not sure of every conversation you had with her and what was exactly said I would imagine that you never made it clear to her that you would compensate her for sex and since your the man you need to make sure she knows the situation and what you want.

[HK Monger]

I will say this about Hong Kong. The best girls, whether looks or performance wise, hardly ever show up for work. They'll go 1 week per month or every other month at most. Why? Because they accumulate their own clientele to see away from the club at their own leisure and not put up with all the HK BS. All they need is a handful of guys who will see them on a consistent basis and they easily make way more with that alone than if they would show up for work at the club every day. And one of those handful of guys usually end up being their sugar daddy to the point that they don't even need to see anybody else unless they want to. Whenever they return to work for that 1 week or so, its because they lose a guy or two in their rotation for whatever reason, and they need new guys to take their place.

The girls you see there on a consistent basis week in and week out for the most part are not the GFE / PSE types, because if they were, they wouldn't have to be showing up for work so often. They would have already easily built up a following to keep them from working so much.

When I go I'm either scouting the newest hottest prospects or looking for familiar faces that haven't been around in a while. The ones who are always typically there are practically invisible to me.

Yep. There are definitely short game girls (girls you might want to take to the room but not see outside the club) and long game girls (girls you might want to see outside the club and have a longer term "relationship" with.).

The girls that are constantly working tend to be more short game girls. Why this is could be any of the following:

1) They are not that attractive.

2) They don't give giood service.

3) Thier personality doesn't allow them to connect with clients.

4) They actually aren't interested in men, in general, so its tougher for them to do the long game.

5) They don't live in Tijuana, but stay in the hotel during their visits and go back. This makes the logistics more difficult.

6) They have an actual boyfriend somewhere, which makes the logistics more difficult.

7) Or lastly, for whatever reason, they just kind of dumb or like working in the clubs better.

Long game girls:

1) Are attractive to most men.

2) Don't like working in the club and avoid it whenever possible.

3) Give good service.

4) Have higher social intelligence, which allows them to make friends with men easily, ultimately leading to these other types of arrangements mentioned by Nothing.

The girls who are "always" there are definitely not good prospect for the long game. Thus, if you want that, you do need to hunt for "new prospects". The newer the better, becuase you want to get in before she builds up too much of a clientele and gets jaded.

Long game is much harder to achieve than short game, for obvious reasons. For me personally, the stars have to kind of align for it to happen. This is because to take a girl out of the club, In addition to her being an attractive, cool girl that I like being with and with whom there is good sexual chemestry, I need to feel that she is also attracted to me and wants to be there. I don't like the idea of just hiring an escort to go places or being some girl's "sugar daddy". I'm not saying that money won't be involved. It will (this is Mexico after all), but she still has to have an interest in me beyond money, or it won't work.

I don't mind helping these girls out financially if they deserve it. In fact, I find this to be a necessary component of a healthy relationship with a female. Why? Because women have the sexual power. Men need to exert financial power to create balance. You may think you are somehow winning by landing a girl who is hot and doesn't need you financially. But the reality is you will have no leverage in the relationship. The girl will totally dictate the terms of the relationship, which is unacceptable to me. To have leverage, you basically have to pay, there is no way around it. Another reality of Mexico is that these women have basically no skills other than getting money from men. If you don't give them money, they will need to minimize their time with you and find some guys that will, not neccessarily because they don't like you, but because they need to survive.

Another obstacle to the long game is finding a girl who works with your budget. Another reason why it's important that they like spending time with you because then you can usually get a pretty good deal. You don't want a girl who is constantly breaking your bank. In addition, I view any money I give them as a gift. They can't ask for it directly or up front. If they are not accepting of what I give then that ends it.

So I recently asked a girl to do something outside the club. This girl is kind of a regular at HK so I was already treading on thin ice. However, she is pretty young, so I though maybe it was worth a shot. Even though I have seen her working there for a while, I never went with her to the room until recently, primarily because I couldn't read her personality. She seemed friendly but a little standoffish with other clients, so I was hesitant.

One day she sat down right beside me, and we started talking. She's all like, "you're the hottest guy in here", and "I tell my friends that your my 'boyfriend'" and some other over the top stuff like that, and I'm like, OK maybe she's trying to butter me up. But then we start kissing and she's all over me. We are literally making out in the club for hours and she's instigating most of it. So I'm thinking, "she acts different with me than I've seen her act with other clients so maybe she DOES like me. " So we go to the room and she gives me girlfriend sex (which is pretty standard for me). I pay her the standard rate plus a tip (She didn't ask for any money, BTW). I get her number. Everything was great.

I see her a couple more times over the coming weeks. Same result. She's young, cute, and basically my type, so finally I ask her if she is free any day so we can potentially do something outside the club. She says "sure" and is recommending places we could go, which I interpret as another good sign. When we finish for the night, I indicate that I am going to text her next week to make arrangements. As we part ways, she say to me "you are going to text me, right?" and I say "yeah".

So the next week I am texting her and the deal is almost sealed when she drops this, "You are going to pay me to go out with you, right?" Damn, so close. I try to be as nice as possible. I tell her that, yes, I was going to make it worth her while, but asking so directly makes it feel transactional and that I'm not looking for just an Escort. The says that she needs to work and that she's not looking for a boyfriend for the time being. The moment being ruined, I say, "oh well maybe another time. ".

So basically she's off the table for now. Though I will concede that she may just be inexperienced and not understand how the long game works. She is pretty fun for the short game, though, so I may still go with her at the club now and then.

[Nothing24]

I will say this about Hong Kong. The best girls, whether looks or performance wise, hardly ever show up for work. They'll go 1 week per month or every other month at most. Why? Because they accumulate their own clientele to see away from the club at their own leisure and not put up with all the HK BS. All they need is a handful of guys who will see them on a consistent basis and they easily make way more with that alone than if they would show up for work at the club every day. And one of those handful of guys usually end up being their sugar daddy to the point that they don't even need to see anybody else unless they want to. Whenever they return to work for that 1 week or so, its because they lose a guy or two in their rotation for whatever reason, and they need new ones to take their place.

The girls you see there on a consistent basis week in and week out for the most part are not the GFE / PSE types, because if they were, they wouldn't have to be showing up for work so often. They would have already easily built up a following to keep them from working so much.

When I go I'm either scouting the newest hottest prospects or hoping to bump into familiar faces that haven't been around in a while. The ones who are always typically there are practically invisible to me.