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He is the biggest POS ever to step foot in the WH.

That's saying a lot considering he followed Bubba GW and Cheney and Barry Hussein.

MDS, I do not know if you have seen the Mike Johnson interview but Speaker of the House Johnson tried to talk to Biden and was being put off. He ran into the unelected junta who was running the country and Biden. Well, eventually, Biden told everyone to leave, and he talked to Johnson, and Johnson has now admitted that Biden could not remember a damned thing including an executive order forbidding the export of LNG, and Johnson's state of Louisiana was suffering due to that ban.

And the reason Biden was not prosecuted on having top secret documents is that he was so mentally incompetent prosecutors felt like Biden could not be convicted. Well, if you are Biden's cabinet, and he is not competent to stand trial, why not invoke the 25th Amendment and take him out of office? Is that because this junta was really running things?

Matt Taibbi wrote an article about this and pointed out the unelected treasonous dickheads who were running the country. Looney Tooms is so demented that he is praising Biden as being a good man and all this when Biden was not mentally there for years.

Like with everything else with the dumb hypocritical Dems, Trump considers doing something like pardoning himself before leaving office and with good reason, and these dumb Dems actually do it. If J6 was an attempted coup, keeping Biden in office and pushing Kamala to be the nominee was the real coup.

I don't want this endless charade of prosecuting political opponents to continue, so I think it is time to leave the Bidens alone but we need to know why this junta gave General Miley, Fauci, and the J6 commissions were given pardons and if Biden and not his junta actually signed them. So I think it is worth investigating / prosecuting THESE parties and asking did you authorize these pardons and if so, why?

So that is what being a dumb Dem is today. We need to make sure that the Biden administration, the junta, is the target of our rage and not Biden and his family. We have already seen the dumb Dems have such contempt for the voting process, they do not care about who their nominee is. They do not care if the person elected is running the country. All they care about is that their checks keep rolling in.

[Sirioja]

When EU is stronger for economics than USA and with much higher quality products, EU except Orban. Hu who is nothing, have not to be afraid of Trump, when China is also stronger. And India is growing.

[Sirioja]

Shame on Trump who wants to pollute and fuck our planet, when many died in USA from hurricanes and fires. When he is as old as was Biden 4 years ago, he is very senile. Our world have to resist to this crazy and also Putin and chinese government. Our planet and world are very sick because of them.

[SubCmdr]

Law was held to be valid. Those who think that is the end of the matter need to spend more time reading the United States Constitution that they like to comment on. In oder to provide this education to the OP, laws can be changed. POTUS is charged with enforcing the law of the land. The Office of the Presidency can now goto the US Congress and ask that the law be modified or repealed. It is within the power of POTUS to do what he did by executive order. If a party has standing to object to the executive order they can bring the matter to the courts for a ruling.

I see that that the title of the thread is American Politics; NOT intelligent knowledgable discussion of American Politics ROTFLMAO!

Putin hold Trump balls in his hand and China will play with him when he shows how he is weak not to forbid tok tok like decided USA justice, but Trump don t respect justice. So ridiculous, he did dare to swear on bible to respect constitution he fucked 4 years ago. Fortunately for him, USA are no brained and don t even remember. Devil fucking god.

[EihTooms]

Is there any reason someone should be so much as stopped and questioned much less arrested and indicted for attacking, maiming or killing police or anyone else over the next 4 years as long as the perp is wearing a red MAGA hat while doing it?

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://www.rt.com/news/611306-biden...cheney-milley/

He is the biggest POS ever to step foot in the WH.

That's saying a lot considering he followed Bubba GW and Cheney and Barry Hussein.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Hey Marquise, just curious: What's your take on the restoration of the Chinese spying app?

And what's Trump's take, you'd say?

I'm not an International Trade Attorney or National Security Expert but.

Its my understanding that the owner supported Trumps 2024 campaign, does that deserve a 90 day extension, maybe to find a buyer?, I think that's only fair.

But I'm guessing you hate the guy for doing so and can't wait to see it banned, if for no other reason, for him doing that.

If it was a very urgent situation I doubt it would get an extension.

Are you like those idiots that cancelled their LATimes or WAPO subscriptions LMFAO.

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/o...sk-bannon.html

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How Long Can the Alliance Between Tech Titans and the MAGA Faithful Last?

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By James Pogue.

Mr. Pogue is a contributing Opinion writer who covers the tech world and the new right.

Jan. 18,2025.

On Sunday evening, the night before Donald Trump's second inauguration, scores of "luminaries from across the New Right" are expected to gather for a dinner and gala called the Coronation Ball at the Watergate Hotel. The event is being hosted by the young right-wing publishing house Passage Press, known for publishing the "neo-reactionary" writer Curtis Yarvin one of the earliest of those luminaries, most famous for advocating a monarchy "run like a startup. ".

Today, this upstart coalition of thinkers may be best described simply as the intellectual wing of Trumpism. "Celebrate the inauguration of Donald J. Trump," the publishing house announced, "with the people and organizations that will shape the culture in his second term. ".

The ball will celebrate more than the re-coronation of a president. It seems intended to mark the ascent of a new counterelite with aspirations to supplant the existing establishment in everything from high politics to business and culture. But this is a loose alliance, colored by rivalries and complex divisions. It has brought together people who previously had little in common. Word had it that Marc Andreessen, the billionaire venture capitalist, would be at the ball. Steve Bannon, avowed enemy of the Silicon Valley billionaire class, was to be a keynote speaker.

Many guests were a bit nervy about outfits and expectations. They would also be navigating these fissures within Mr. Trump's coalition. Mr. Andreessen and Mr. Bannon stand on either side of the biggest of these divides and the one presenting the greatest challenge for Mr. Trump's governing project.

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It's a gap in worldviews that went overlooked in the heady days of the campaign. When Elon Musk endorsed Mr. Trump, putting a great deal of personal money and energy into the project of MAGA populism, he joined figures like the venture capitalist and podcaster David Sacks and the crypto exchange founder Tyler Winklevoss in what represents one of the most surprising and disruptive alliances in American political history. Tech emerged as an alternate power center to the Republican establishment. Silicon Valley money filled in for dollars lost from the traditional donor class. As the presidential transition took shape, tech figures stepped in to supply "elite human capital," as they put it, to staff the new administration. All the biggest tech companies made sure to offer a $1 million tribute to help fund the inauguration.

But the core of the aspiring Trumpian aristocracy are still reactionaries and nationalists aching to restore an American way of life thought to be lost after decades of "globalist" technocracy. They are often deeply skeptical of the idea that the innovations promised by tech companies represent progress, and they describe America as "not just a country, not just an economy, but a people with a common history," as Jeremy Carl, a deputy assistant secretary of the interior in the first Trump administration and a senior fellow at the Claremont Institute, told me. The tech figures who came to the movement in 2024 were often sympathetic to Trumpian nationalism. But they tended to be more interested in making money and launching a new era of "American dynamism. ".

Over Christmas, a bilious debate over the federal H-1 be visa program which brings in approximately 85,000 foreign workers, most of them Indian and most of them working in tech unfolded on Mr. Musk's X. It first erupted on Dec. 23, after Mr. Trump appointed an Indian-born venture capitalist named Sriram Krishnan to work with Mr. Sacks, who is set to be the administration's "crypto and A. I. Czar. ".

The MAGA influencer Laura Loomer quickly found a post in which Mr. Krishnan had called for removing caps on how many green cards can be awarded to applicants from individual countries, and for expanding "skilled immigration. " In a separate post on X, Ms. Loomer described it as an effort to welcome "third-world invaders from India," said "our country was built by white Europeans," and mocked Indians as defecating "in the water they bathe and drink from. " Mr. Sacks came out to defend Mr. Krishnan, and the fight spiraled over Christmas. By early January, it had started to look like an epochal battle within America's new ruling coalition.

Mr. Musk, whose companies benefited from the visa program, initially threatened to go to "war" on the subject, "the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend. " But he seemed shaken by the backlash from the MAGA base. Thousands upon thousands of erstwhile fans were rising up online to denounce him as a traitor or a globalist, more concerned with his profit margins than the fate of the nation.

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The trouble between the two camps will now be an unavoidable undertone at the inauguration. "Be there," Passage Press teased online for its inauguration event, "as MAGA meets the Tech Right. ".

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The debate has genuinely high stakes, heading in the first days of a wildly ambitious presidential administration. People like Mr. Bannon see the Tech Right almost as an existential enemy to the natural human order they wanted to restore. More moderate allies on the MAGA side just hope to keep things calm and friendly. If a true conflict emerges, Mr. Trump himself might well end up siding with the part of the coalition that offers vast supplies of cash and new friends socializing and scheming with him down at Mar-a-Lago.

The coalition is achingly close to achieving a long-held conservative dream of fashioning a high-low alliance powerful enough to supplant the liberal establishment and remake America. It is a project that might well collapse if one side or the other gets too much of what it wants, and ends up driving the other away.

So there is a new sense of gravity when you talk to people who want to hold the coalition together. In 2017, the rough equivalent of the Coronation Ball had been the gaudy DeploraBall. Now people would be wearing black tie. "Before we were the outsiders looking in, and now we're walking in the front door," the podcaster Jack Posobiec told Politico. "Because this is a regime change. ".

Earlier this month, Breitbart published an article that seemed calculated to make the dissonance between MAGA and the Tech Right into a real, and perhaps irreconcilable, split. It included translated snippets of an interview in the Italian daily Corriere della Sera in which Mr. Bannon who retains a huge amount of influence in both the incoming Trump administration and the wider MAGA sphere presents himself as an uncompromising chief of the "nationalist-populist" core of Trumpism.

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In the article, Mr. Bannon "declared war" on Mr. Musk, and by extension the whole set of tech barons who had gained such influence in the Trump sphere. "I will have Elon Musk run out of here by Inauguration Day," he said, calling him a "truly evil guy. " "Before, because he put money in, I was prepared to tolerate it; I'm not prepared to tolerate it anymore. ".

This challenge was widely seen as a new cycle in the H-1 be visa wars. But when I called him, Mr. Bannon articulated a very different and bigger reason for his challenge. I asked him if he saw the same deep-level philosophical tension I did. "A tension?" he asked. "I would almost argue it's an unbridgeable gap. ".

He named a roster of major figures on the tech right whom he saw as enemies: Mr. Andreessen, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, the neo-monarchist writer Mr. Yarvin, and Balaji Srinivasan, an investor and technologist who promotes the idea of "network states," new countries run on blockchain.

Mr. Bannon accused the tech barons of promoting "technofeudalism" and "transhumanism" bending human life into technologized and unnatural new forms. "This thing is all tied together," he said. "They have a very well thought through philosophy and a very well thought through set of ideas, and they're trying to implement that. And to me, everybody's afraid, everybody's scared because of their power.

"I'm a populist-nationalist, and I'm dug in on this," he said. "I know I can take them on. " he had already seen criticism. "Everybody's coming to me to say, 'You can't do this. Isn't it going to show a rift?' I said, 'What do you mean a rift? It's better to get it out now. '.

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To Mr. Bannon, this chasm went deeper than some small-bore spat about visas. "These people are technofeudalists, and it's a dangerous, dangerous thing," he said. "Here's what I'm glad about. It's going to be the populist-nationalist movement that'll take them on and break them. Because quite frankly, the established order is too gutless. The established order will go with anything that keeps their privileges. ".

This disconnect between MAGA and the Tech Right has deep philosophical roots. The political theorist Patrick Deneen, in his book "Regime Change," makes a point about the American right that has been plainly true for decades that for most of modern history it has not actually been a conservative movement. He calls Republicans of the Liz Cheney or George W. Bush mold "right-liberals" and argues that their "unwavering support for a free market, ideally unhindered by regulation and political limits, frequently resulted in economic disruptions and dizzying change that undermined the stability of the very social institutions that conservatives claimed to prize. ".

In a widely read 2022 essay titled "Why Conservatism Failed," a young Catholic University of America assistant professor named Jonathan Askonas sharpened this point. He described how the old Republican guard failed to account for the power of technology, as they claimed to be standing for the American flag and family.

"When you descend from lofty rhetoric about 'traditions' and 'values, he wrote, "a huge number of the actual practices and social institutions which built those virtues have disintegrated, not because of progressivism or socialism but because of the new environment and political economy generated by technology. ".

When I spoke to Mr. Carl, the former Trump administration official, he brought up an infamous interjection into the visa debate by Vivek Ramaswamy, who wrote a very long post on X in December describing an American culture that "has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long" and extolling "nerdiness. " "A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the Math Olympiad champ," he said, "or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers. ".

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The response was savage. Everything he posted in the days afterward continued to be flooded with vitriolic and often racist mockery, bringing back up the H-1 be debate, and coloring him an enemy of the movement.

Mr. Carl is the author of a book called "The Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart. " So it's pretty obvious which side he falls on in these debates. But he's intent on keeping the coalition together. "That post was silly," he told me. Even so, he didn't think Mr. Musk or Mr. Ramaswamy should be viewed as enemies.

"The thing about Elon," Mr. Carl said, "is that it's not really clear what he thinks. " Mr. Musk had defended the H-1 be program by arguing that America needed to attract the "top. 1 percent of engineering talent. " But he had also just waded into politics in Britain and Germany, where he'the promoted parties like the more-or-less openly ethnonationalist Alternative for Germany. "So that would seem to contradict what it looked like he was saying in the immigration debate here," Mr. Carl said. "It might be that he kind of picked this fight as a way of showing he has complex views. ".

On the flip side, some people have ended up finding a place in this new counterestablishment without even being necessarily conservative. "We're all really trying for the same basic American dream sorts of things," said Julie Fredrickson, a venture capitalist who backs crypto startups. A friend of Mr. Carl's, she is also a kindred spirit with prominent figures on the tech right.

Ms. Fredrickson describes herself as a liberal, but she has grown increasingly frustrated by a federal government that she believes acts almost like a "moat," preserving the power of huge established interests over both smaller businesses and technological innovation: big banks over crypto, giant, inefficient defense contractors over the new military-tech startups emerging in Southern California, oil and gas production over companies like a small-scale nuclear startup she'the just invested in.

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To her, the H-1 be issue was just another example of the basic problem that had driven the Tech Right toward Mr. Trump. Small companies, she said, rarely managed to navigate the visa system. "That's the area in which both MAGA and tech really agree," she said. The current system only helps "the multinational consulting corporations that are using it. ".

She was still leery of the anti-immigrant talk that had emerged in the debates. "We should want the 1 percent minds," she said. "And I mean that partially from a security state perspective, because I'm terrified by the prospect of China winning on that. I do actually think that 'yeah, I want to win' is a stronger message than 'I want to do it with only people that look like me. '" She was voicing the twinned sense of possibility and frustration animating the Tech Right today: "Can we just get back to winning?

When I spoke to Mr. Bannon, he articulated a criticism of the tech world that, perhaps surprisingly, is one that at least some right-wing tech figures share: "We haven't created anything on the technology side like the airplane or the internal combustion engine or the steam engine or anything big," he said. "It's all been algorithms. ".

Peter Thiel, who emerged in 2016 as the first prominent tech billionaire to back Mr. Trump, has described to me his view that technologies like social media or smartphones can offer an illusion of progress while offering dubious benefits, at best, to the world at large. After Mr. Trump's first win, he led a quickly abandoned effort to begin dismantling the regulatory state.

But Mr. Thiel ended up largely sitting out of the 2024 election, skeptical that a second Trump administration could carry out a serious project to remake American governance. Now Mr. Musk and Mr. Ramaswamy are leading a much higher-profile effort, through what they call the department of government efficiency.

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Mr. Musk and Mr. Ramaswamy are both slightly comic public figures, prone to dopamine-addled mucking-about in arguments on X. The outsize attention they draw can end up obscuring the complicated interplay between the imperatives of MAGA and the Tech Right.

"I think the Tech Right is going to win in the short-term," said Razib Khan, a geneticist and tech consultant who is friendly with many figures in both the MAGA and Tech Right spheres. As he saw it, the talent and money were mostly on the side of tech.

"The Tech Right is pro-American," he said. But it's pro-American in the sense that they see America as "an empire that takes over the world and goes interplanetary. " This was too rationalist of an approach for many on the MAGA side, which is shaped in large part by Christian faith and, at least for some, a belief that America should be a homeland for "heritage Americans" of Northern European extraction. They are "not excited about the American Empire," he said, or racing into space. They care more about the values of a "pre-1960's America, the values of a Western civilization. ".

Both sides see their path as the best approach to make America more dynamic the MAGA intellectuals through a hoped-for "refounding" that would restore a sense of national identity and purpose, and the Tech Right through drawing the best talent from a worldwide pool, and letting competition and capitalism rip.

Mr. Trump himself has kept something like a kingly remove from the early squabbles of the aristocracy emerging in his shadow. His vice president, JD Vance, might be able to act as an intermediary between these rival wings. A former venture capitalist married to the daughter of Indian immigrants, he nonetheless adopted the populist-nationalist style of politics.

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"he probably leans more towards the populists," Mr. Khan said, "but the dude cooks vegetarian food and hangs out with Indians all the time. " Mr. Vance has a foot, and many friends, in both worlds and a strong political interest in bridging the gap. "I feel like he's the one that can keep the energy going, and go between the two," Mr. Khan said. "And I don't think either side will totally win. ".

Mr. Vance once told me that he thought something "genuinely, seriously bad," was coming to America, unless conservatives could "assemble a coalition of populists and traditionalists that can actually overthrow the ruling class. " The MAGA sphere has now managed to draw some of the richest people on earth into this project, with figures like Mr. Andreessen and Mr. Musk casting themselves as unlikely allies in a populist overthrow of the American elite.

For now, some within Mr. Trump's orbit are happy to give them a chance. But others are already looking toward a struggle to decide who really holds the power as their revolution gets underway. "It's time to have the debate," Mr. Bannon told me. "You've got to hit them while you're strong. ".

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[MarquisdeSade1]

The worthless turd has been flushed.

[Sirioja]

China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and India are very excited about Trump's plans to put Their Countries First in line for goodies and sugar plums.

America and the Western Alliance? Not so much:

As America braces for Trump 2.0, here's how the world views his return.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/20/how-...ndroidappshare

Putin hold Trump balls in his hand and China will play with him when he shows how he is weak not to forbid tok tok like decided USA justice, but Trump don t respect justice. So ridiculous, he did dare to swear on bible to respect constitution he fucked 4 years ago. Fortunately for him, USA are no brained and don t even remember. Devil fucking god.

[EihTooms]

I did not ask to see videos of a bunch of lunatics saying dumb shit. I asked to see a video of officers being injured. I saw NONE of that. And before that, you dumb Dems lied about all these police being killed on January 6 where the only person who died was shot by police.

Are you fucking kidding me? https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...on-caught-new/.

1.) Cassidy Hutchinson said President Trump attempted to grab the steering wheel of "the beast" and wrestle control from the Secret Service on January 6th.

Truth: President Trump was not in "the beast" on January 6th.

Truth: Secret Service agents willing to testify against this ridiculous lie by young Cassidy. It never happened.

2.) Cassiday Hutchinson said President Trump grabbed the neck area of Secret Service agent Bobby Engel.

Truth: Bobby Engel willing to testify this was a lie.

3.) Cassidy Hutchinson said President Trump broke dishes and flipped tablecloths on January 6th.

Truth: President Trump refutes the nonsensical claim.

4.) Cassidy Hutchinson claimed to have written a handwritten note on January 6th..

I asked you to provide a link to the Trumpster liars who claim Hutchinson ought to be indicted and you certainly complied!

Thanks.

Got anybody who testified under Oath rather than blathering on Xitter and over drinks at The Gateway Pundit providing proof of actual indictable statements?

What we know about the 5 deaths in the pro-Trump mob that stormed the Capitol.
Jan. 8, 2021

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/ca...ths/index.html

BTW, why do you MAGAs hate the police so much?

DOJ finds police officers suicide after Jan. 6 attack was a death in the line of duty.
Aug. 19, 2023

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...uty-rcna100648

Police union says 140 officers injured in Capitol riot.
January 27, 2021

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...297_story.html

The physical toll on officers who defended the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 attack by a pro-Trump mob is becoming clearer, with reports by police officials and federal prosecutors indicating that about 140 officers were injured, the head of the Capitol Police officers union said.

I have officers who were not issued helmets prior to the attack who have sustained head injuries, Gus Papathanasiou, union chairman, said in a statement Wednesday. One officer has two cracked ribs and two smashed spinal discs and another was stabbed with a metal fence stake, to name some of the injuries.

[EihTooms]

Sad day for our world, for senile orange Trump and his fool Musk. Only funny will be how Trump is so scared of China, but still allowing tok tok, when USA justice forbidded, but Trump doesn t respect justice, when he is known as a criminal.

China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and India are very excited about Trump's plans to put Their Countries First in line for goodies and sugar plums.

America and the Western Alliance? Not so much:

As America braces for Trump 2.0, here's how the world views his return.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/20/how-...ndroidappshare

"Trumps return is lamented by Americas long-term allies, but almost nobody else, the European Council on Foreign Relations think tank said as it published a global poll that found that people in China and Russia were more optimistic about Trumps return to power than long-standing allies in Europe and Asia.
..........
U.S. allies in Europe and South Korea are notably pessimistic about the incoming president suggesting a further weakening of the geopolitical West, it added.

[EihTooms]

Travel more affordable, are you smoking crack. From the east coast to Manila 2000 k range or more, before that idiot Biden 1500 or less. I'm not even going to comment on the rest of those remarks, you democrat's are delusional or smoking something.

Sitting at home whining and crying over trannies and imaginary caravans of illegal aliens coming to rape and pillage was probably not the best investment of anyone's time during the historic Bidenomics years:

Americans are on track to set another record for holiday travel, topping the bar set in 2019.
Dec. 20, 2024

https://fortune.com/2024/12/20/ameri...-topping-2019/

[Sirioja]

Sad day for our world, for senile orange Trump and his fool Musk. Only funny will be how Trump is so scared of China, but still allowing tok tok, when USA justice forbidded, but Trump doesn t respect justice, when he is known as a criminal.

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/18/o...sk-bannon.html

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How Long Can the Alliance Between Tech Titans and the MAGA Faithful Last?

Credit. By Talia Cotton.

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By James Pogue.

Mr. Pogue is a contributing Opinion writer who covers the tech world and the new right.

Jan. 18,2025.

On Sunday evening, the night before Donald Trump's second inauguration, scores of "luminaries from across the New Right" are expected to gather for a dinner and gala called the Coronation Ball at the Watergate Hotel. The event is being hosted by the young right-wing publishing house Passage Press, known for publishing the "neo-reactionary" writer Curtis Yarvin one of the earliest of those luminaries, most famous for advocating a monarchy "run like a startup. ".

Today, this upstart coalition of thinkers may be best described simply as the intellectual wing of Trumpism. "Celebrate the inauguration of Donald J. Trump," the publishing house announced, "with the people and organizations that will shape the culture in his second term. ".

The ball will celebrate more than the re-coronation of a president. It seems intended to mark the ascent of a new counterelite with aspirations to supplant the existing establishment in everything from high politics to business and culture. But this is a loose alliance, colored by rivalries and complex divisions. It has brought together people who previously had little in common. Word had it that Marc Andreessen, the billionaire venture capitalist, would be at the ball. Steve Bannon, avowed enemy of the Silicon Valley billionaire class, was to be a keynote speaker.

Many guests were a bit nervy about outfits and expectations. They would also be navigating these fissures within Mr. Trump's coalition. Mr. Andreessen and Mr. Bannon stand on either side of the biggest of these divides and the one presenting the greatest challenge for Mr. Trump's governing project.

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It's a gap in worldviews that went overlooked in the heady days of the campaign. When Elon Musk endorsed Mr. Trump, putting a great deal of personal money and energy into the project of MAGA populism, he joined figures like the venture capitalist and podcaster David Sacks and the crypto exchange founder Tyler Winklevoss in what represents one of the most surprising and disruptive alliances in American political history. Tech emerged as an alternate power center to the Republican establishment. Silicon Valley money filled in for dollars lost from the traditional donor class. As the presidential transition took shape, tech figures stepped in to supply "elite human capital," as they put it, to staff the new administration. All the biggest tech companies made sure to offer a $1 million tribute to help fund the inauguration.

But the core of the aspiring Trumpian aristocracy are still reactionaries and nationalists aching to restore an American way of life thought to be lost after decades of "globalist" technocracy. They are often deeply skeptical of the idea that the innovations promised by tech companies represent progress, and they describe America as "not just a country, not just an economy, but a people with a common history," as Jeremy Carl, a deputy assistant secretary of the interior in the first Trump administration and a senior fellow at the Claremont Institute, told me. The tech figures who came to the movement in 2024 were often sympathetic to Trumpian nationalism. But they tended to be more interested in making money and launching a new era of "American dynamism. ".

Over Christmas, a bilious debate over the federal H-1 be visa program which brings in approximately 85,000 foreign workers, most of them Indian and most of them working in tech unfolded on Mr. Musk's X. It first erupted on Dec. 23, after Mr. Trump appointed an Indian-born venture capitalist named Sriram Krishnan to work with Mr. Sacks, who is set to be the administration's "crypto and A. I. Czar. ".

The MAGA influencer Laura Loomer quickly found a post in which Mr. Krishnan had called for removing caps on how many green cards can be awarded to applicants from individual countries, and for expanding "skilled immigration. " In a separate post on X, Ms. Loomer described it as an effort to welcome "third-world invaders from India," said "our country was built by white Europeans," and mocked Indians as defecating "in the water they bathe and drink from. " Mr. Sacks came out to defend Mr. Krishnan, and the fight spiraled over Christmas. By early January, it had started to look like an epochal battle within America's new ruling coalition.

Mr. Musk, whose companies benefited from the visa program, initially threatened to go to "war" on the subject, "the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend. " But he seemed shaken by the backlash from the MAGA base. Thousands upon thousands of erstwhile fans were rising up online to denounce him as a traitor or a globalist, more concerned with his profit margins than the fate of the nation.

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The trouble between the two camps will now be an unavoidable undertone at the inauguration. "Be there," Passage Press teased online for its inauguration event, "as MAGA meets the Tech Right. ".

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The debate has genuinely high stakes, heading in the first days of a wildly ambitious presidential administration. People like Mr. Bannon see the Tech Right almost as an existential enemy to the natural human order they wanted to restore. More moderate allies on the MAGA side just hope to keep things calm and friendly. If a true conflict emerges, Mr. Trump himself might well end up siding with the part of the coalition that offers vast supplies of cash and new friends socializing and scheming with him down at Mar-a-Lago.

The coalition is achingly close to achieving a long-held conservative dream of fashioning a high-low alliance powerful enough to supplant the liberal establishment and remake America. It is a project that might well collapse if one side or the other gets too much of what it wants, and ends up driving the other away.

So there is a new sense of gravity when you talk to people who want to hold the coalition together. In 2017, the rough equivalent of the Coronation Ball had been the gaudy DeploraBall. Now people would be wearing black tie. "Before we were the outsiders looking in, and now we're walking in the front door," the podcaster Jack Posobiec told Politico. "Because this is a regime change. ".

Earlier this month, Breitbart published an article that seemed calculated to make the dissonance between MAGA and the Tech Right into a real, and perhaps irreconcilable, split. It included translated snippets of an interview in the Italian daily Corriere della Sera in which Mr. Bannon who retains a huge amount of influence in both the incoming Trump administration and the wider MAGA sphere presents himself as an uncompromising chief of the "nationalist-populist" core of Trumpism.

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In the article, Mr. Bannon "declared war" on Mr. Musk, and by extension the whole set of tech barons who had gained such influence in the Trump sphere. "I will have Elon Musk run out of here by Inauguration Day," he said, calling him a "truly evil guy. " "Before, because he put money in, I was prepared to tolerate it; I'm not prepared to tolerate it anymore. ".

This challenge was widely seen as a new cycle in the H-1 be visa wars. But when I called him, Mr. Bannon articulated a very different and bigger reason for his challenge. I asked him if he saw the same deep-level philosophical tension I did. "A tension?" he asked. "I would almost argue it's an unbridgeable gap. ".

He named a roster of major figures on the tech right whom he saw as enemies: Mr. Andreessen, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, the neo-monarchist writer Mr. Yarvin, and Balaji Srinivasan, an investor and technologist who promotes the idea of "network states," new countries run on blockchain.

Mr. Bannon accused the tech barons of promoting "technofeudalism" and "transhumanism" bending human life into technologized and unnatural new forms. "This thing is all tied together," he said. "They have a very well thought through philosophy and a very well thought through set of ideas, and they're trying to implement that. And to me, everybody's afraid, everybody's scared because of their power.

"I'm a populist-nationalist, and I'm dug in on this," he said. "I know I can take them on. " he had already seen criticism. "Everybody's coming to me to say, 'You can't do this. Isn't it going to show a rift?' I said, 'What do you mean a rift? It's better to get it out now. '.

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To Mr. Bannon, this chasm went deeper than some small-bore spat about visas. "These people are technofeudalists, and it's a dangerous, dangerous thing," he said. "Here's what I'm glad about. It's going to be the populist-nationalist movement that'll take them on and break them. Because quite frankly, the established order is too gutless. The established order will go with anything that keeps their privileges. ".

This disconnect between MAGA and the Tech Right has deep philosophical roots. The political theorist Patrick Deneen, in his book "Regime Change," makes a point about the American right that has been plainly true for decades that for most of modern history it has not actually been a conservative movement. He calls Republicans of the Liz Cheney or George W. Bush mold "right-liberals" and argues that their "unwavering support for a free market, ideally unhindered by regulation and political limits, frequently resulted in economic disruptions and dizzying change that undermined the stability of the very social institutions that conservatives claimed to prize. ".

In a widely read 2022 essay titled "Why Conservatism Failed," a young Catholic University of America assistant professor named Jonathan Askonas sharpened this point. He described how the old Republican guard failed to account for the power of technology, as they claimed to be standing for the American flag and family.

"When you descend from lofty rhetoric about 'traditions' and 'values, he wrote, "a huge number of the actual practices and social institutions which built those virtues have disintegrated, not because of progressivism or socialism but because of the new environment and political economy generated by technology. ".

When I spoke to Mr. Carl, the former Trump administration official, he brought up an infamous interjection into the visa debate by Vivek Ramaswamy, who wrote a very long post on X in December describing an American culture that "has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long" and extolling "nerdiness. " "A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the Math Olympiad champ," he said, "or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers. ".

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The response was savage. Everything he posted in the days afterward continued to be flooded with vitriolic and often racist mockery, bringing back up the H-1 be debate, and coloring him an enemy of the movement.

Mr. Carl is the author of a book called "The Unprotected Class: How Anti-White Racism Is Tearing America Apart. " So it's pretty obvious which side he falls on in these debates. But he's intent on keeping the coalition together. "That post was silly," he told me. Even so, he didn't think Mr. Musk or Mr. Ramaswamy should be viewed as enemies.

"The thing about Elon," Mr. Carl said, "is that it's not really clear what he thinks. " Mr. Musk had defended the H-1 be program by arguing that America needed to attract the "top. 1 percent of engineering talent. " But he had also just waded into politics in Britain and Germany, where he'the promoted parties like the more-or-less openly ethnonationalist Alternative for Germany. "So that would seem to contradict what it looked like he was saying in the immigration debate here," Mr. Carl said. "It might be that he kind of picked this fight as a way of showing he has complex views. ".

On the flip side, some people have ended up finding a place in this new counterestablishment without even being necessarily conservative. "We're all really trying for the same basic American dream sorts of things," said Julie Fredrickson, a venture capitalist who backs crypto startups. A friend of Mr. Carl's, she is also a kindred spirit with prominent figures on the tech right.

Ms. Fredrickson describes herself as a liberal, but she has grown increasingly frustrated by a federal government that she believes acts almost like a "moat," preserving the power of huge established interests over both smaller businesses and technological innovation: big banks over crypto, giant, inefficient defense contractors over the new military-tech startups emerging in Southern California, oil and gas production over companies like a small-scale nuclear startup she'the just invested in.

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To her, the H-1 be issue was just another example of the basic problem that had driven the Tech Right toward Mr. Trump. Small companies, she said, rarely managed to navigate the visa system. "That's the area in which both MAGA and tech really agree," she said. The current system only helps "the multinational consulting corporations that are using it. ".

She was still leery of the anti-immigrant talk that had emerged in the debates. "We should want the 1 percent minds," she said. "And I mean that partially from a security state perspective, because I'm terrified by the prospect of China winning on that. I do actually think that 'yeah, I want to win' is a stronger message than 'I want to do it with only people that look like me. '" She was voicing the twinned sense of possibility and frustration animating the Tech Right today: "Can we just get back to winning?

When I spoke to Mr. Bannon, he articulated a criticism of the tech world that, perhaps surprisingly, is one that at least some right-wing tech figures share: "We haven't created anything on the technology side like the airplane or the internal combustion engine or the steam engine or anything big," he said. "It's all been algorithms. ".

Peter Thiel, who emerged in 2016 as the first prominent tech billionaire to back Mr. Trump, has described to me his view that technologies like social media or smartphones can offer an illusion of progress while offering dubious benefits, at best, to the world at large. After Mr. Trump's first win, he led a quickly abandoned effort to begin dismantling the regulatory state.

But Mr. Thiel ended up largely sitting out of the 2024 election, skeptical that a second Trump administration could carry out a serious project to remake American governance. Now Mr. Musk and Mr. Ramaswamy are leading a much higher-profile effort, through what they call the department of government efficiency.

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Mr. Musk and Mr. Ramaswamy are both slightly comic public figures, prone to dopamine-addled mucking-about in arguments on X. The outsize attention they draw can end up obscuring the complicated interplay between the imperatives of MAGA and the Tech Right.

"I think the Tech Right is going to win in the short-term," said Razib Khan, a geneticist and tech consultant who is friendly with many figures in both the MAGA and Tech Right spheres. As he saw it, the talent and money were mostly on the side of tech.

"The Tech Right is pro-American," he said. But it's pro-American in the sense that they see America as "an empire that takes over the world and goes interplanetary. " This was too rationalist of an approach for many on the MAGA side, which is shaped in large part by Christian faith and, at least for some, a belief that America should be a homeland for "heritage Americans" of Northern European extraction. They are "not excited about the American Empire," he said, or racing into space. They care more about the values of a "pre-1960's America, the values of a Western civilization. ".

Both sides see their path as the best approach to make America more dynamic the MAGA intellectuals through a hoped-for "refounding" that would restore a sense of national identity and purpose, and the Tech Right through drawing the best talent from a worldwide pool, and letting competition and capitalism rip.

Mr. Trump himself has kept something like a kingly remove from the early squabbles of the aristocracy emerging in his shadow. His vice president, JD Vance, might be able to act as an intermediary between these rival wings. A former venture capitalist married to the daughter of Indian immigrants, he nonetheless adopted the populist-nationalist style of politics.

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"he probably leans more towards the populists," Mr. Khan said, "but the dude cooks vegetarian food and hangs out with Indians all the time. " Mr. Vance has a foot, and many friends, in both worlds and a strong political interest in bridging the gap. "I feel like he's the one that can keep the energy going, and go between the two," Mr. Khan said. "And I don't think either side will totally win. ".

Mr. Vance once told me that he thought something "genuinely, seriously bad," was coming to America, unless conservatives could "assemble a coalition of populists and traditionalists that can actually overthrow the ruling class. " The MAGA sphere has now managed to draw some of the richest people on earth into this project, with figures like Mr. Andreessen and Mr. Musk casting themselves as unlikely allies in a populist overthrow of the American elite.

For now, some within Mr. Trump's orbit are happy to give them a chance. But others are already looking toward a struggle to decide who really holds the power as their revolution gets underway. "It's time to have the debate," Mr. Bannon told me. "You've got to hit them while you're strong. ".

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