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  1. #14663

    Hypo World?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny 12  [View Original Post]
    If there ever was a politically twisted version of how the Rule of Law has not held up to its billing, it's Trump's 34 felony convictions for paying off Stormy Daniels. And I have gotten out and fought. I was a contributor to and card carrying member of the ACLU before it became a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party.
    Nah, not really! Trump's conviction was good for democracy and The Rule of Law. But you'll have to stay tuned, if you want "twisted" as your hero Trump, appeals to "his" SCOTUS.

    As for the ACLU, well we all live with disappointment...everyday! I would liked to watch FOXY Muse, once in a while on a consistent basis, but I can't stand, being lied to. And that is of course, until I found out it is mostly Republican lies and just another Repub/QAnon/MAGA propaganda machine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny 12  [View Original Post]
    Sure Spidy. I full support your right to change your sex, provided you're 21 years of age. And your right to use marijuana, provided you're 18 years of age. Also your right to pay for sex with a donkey, provided said donkey is at least 18 years of age and consenting. And finally, if you were a women, I would support your right to get an abortion, provided it's under 15 weeks from conception in accordance with the Trump Doctrine.

    These are all hypotheticals. I believe you're a pretty normal, decent type who's not looking for donkey sex, etc., even though you are a partisan Democrat.
    Tiny 12, between you and Elvis 2008, I don't know who genuinely cares more for my well being? Really...you guys are too much! (...kkkk!) From Earth #2, to your newly constructed, "Hypothetical World" aka."Hypo World" (...kkkk!)

    I mean, first there's "Paycheck Superhero", Elvis 2008, telling me, I'm some kind of "gov't paycheck villain" and (BTW I'm still hoping, Spidy will get his a $84 million gov't super yacht, just like Russia gave Zelensky, so he can live up to the super villain billing...), now you, Tiny 12, bring us crime fighting the evils of "partisanship" to a whole new level, in "Hypo World"?

    This "Hypo World", of yours sounds so interesting and very supportive of the LGBTQ community. Fair enough, I'm curious...I'll play along!

    Hypo World by Tiny 12:

    So now that we're in "Hypo World" and one of the superheros "Hypo-Pathetic Boy" (aka.Tiny 12), is dolling out "support" and is on a quest to defeat unjust laws and "partisanship" (especially among the Dems), with his all-knowing bi-partisan "hypo-support" super power, in what must be, a Repub Libertarian version and spin-off series to Elvis 2008's "Paycheck Superhero" series, back on Earth #2...will our hero succeed?

    BTW, Tiny 12, now that "Paycheck Superhero", Elvis 2008, has had a chance to clear his inbox...have you guys decided, if this new series will be a shared delusional collaboration? Or will "Hypo-Pathetic Boy", solely own the rights, making and direction of "Hypo World" and all the writing support that comes with?

    Will this "hypo libertarian support world" of yours, be a true Repub Libertarian dystopian political drama, with Chase "Armed and Gay" Oliver, as President, but still in the closet?

    Does Spidy, get to play the super villain, again? Does the super villain, get his $84 million dollar gov't yacht? And as the super villain, is "withholding support", Spidy's super power?

    Tiny 12, so in your "Hypo World", in the episode where "Hypo-Pathetic Boy" is out of the closet and tells "Paycheck Superhero", he loves him (aah!) and they have a unlawful, but yet traditional bi-partisan LGBTQ marriage ceremony and have sex together in a 3-way with an elephant (not sure how that's possible, but anyways it's "Hypo World"), does an ex-president with 34-felony charges, and a rabid Repub, police and FBI force, hunt down our gay superheros?

    Does Spidy, as the super villain, use his super powers and deny the gay superhero couple's rights to wed in a 3-way copulation with an elephant? Wow!...If so, that's some heartless super villain "withholding support" shit you've got line up for Spidy. But I'm sure that episode is going be one helluva tearjerker!

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny 12  [View Original Post]
    Happy to support you on your voyage of self discovery!
    Yikes, what now, awaits our super villain on his voyage of self-discovery in "Hypo World"? And what does "Hypo-Pathetic Boy", really mean when he says, "Happy to support you..."???

    Stay tuned for the next episode of "Hypo World", where "Hypo-Pathetic Boy", is sure to amaze us, with more elephant 3-way action and dazzle us with mighty feats of super powered bi-partisan "hypo-support"!

  2. #14662
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    I don't think Judge "Kangaroo" Engoron's decision should or will be reversed. Trump deserves to pay some fine for misrepresenting his statements of financial condition. But, taking a more extreme example, you don't execute people for jaywalking.
    So, he's found liable?!

    Pick a lane. Can't argue that it's "Kangaroo" and then say he "deserves to pay some fine". If he deserve to pay some fine, then he's a loser of civil lawsuit, to which the plaintiff proved in a court of law. Again, "The People" brought evidence and proved their case in court. The loser of the case was not defended well, and lost.

    As for the amount, it is arbitrary, but the judge gets to decide how much, not us, not the defendant, not pundits. Happens everyday in court, we don't go around saying how unfair it is for one defendant to pay X, and another paying Y on civil litigations. Sure we can opine on it, but just log that as an opinion, not fact.

    DJT could have settled for far less, but chose the path of litigation. That's on him.

  3. #14661
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    You gentlemen are letting your partisanship get the best of you. You make about as much sense as the Republicans who wanted to impeach Bill Clinton for lying about blow jobs. If a Democratic Party presidential candidate did what Trump did in the Stormy Daniels / Karen McDougal case and were prosecuted you'd be defending him.

    Michael Cohen was caught on tax evasion and so the Feds were able to get him to plead guilty to the campaign finance charges. Maybe the Republicans can use that as a precedent to go after Joe Biden's attorney for channeling money to his brother. The Democrats want to put all the Republicans in jail and vice versa. You gentlemen should think about who's going to be left to pay for big government if you put all the taxpayers in jail.
    Whatever Joe Biden's attorney did with somebody's brother is utterly irrelevant unless they committed a crime in order to influence (steal) an election as their understood and / or stated reason for doing it.

    That is what conspiritors Donald J. Trump, Allen Weisselberg and Michael Cohen over there at Trump Org did. And for no other reason.

    Nobody in the entire organization uttered one word about the falsification of business records being done to spare anyone's hurt feelings. Not Donnie's, not Melania's, not the bratty kids, nobody's.

    It was about influencing (stealing) the election and stated as such by the written description of the scheme by one of the conspirators and testimony under oath by another. The timing of their Election Fraud scheme was precisely at the moment when fellow Repubs were bailing out of endorsing Dear Leader as the election was looming and Trump saw his chances of winning slipping away. It was suggested by one Deadbeat Donald J. Trump to stop making payments on the night of the election because then it would no longer matter if Daniels blabbed. The whole purpose for falsifying those business records would be over by then.

    That is why the jurors knew the scheme was all about Election Fraud in order to steal the election and not even remotely about sparing poor Melania's feeling or anything whatsoever to do with anyone named "Trump" personal shame. LOL.

    And see, falsifying business records in order to commit Election Fraud and Steal an Election happens to be a Big Deal Felony in the State of New York.

    It turns out New Yorkers don't like elections being stolen in their state, even when the theft takes place in their state of a federal election.

    And in case you hadn't noticed or read anything about it in a real news outlet or two, one Big Liar named Donald J. Trump actually sent a violent mob of Insurrectionists to storm the Capital and then sat on his butt for 3+ hours doing nothing except enjoying the show and the reports of cops being attacked, maimed and killed, his VP being stalked for a public hanging and the Speaker of the House being stalked for a kidnapping or assasination all because he and his vicious mob of America-haters were a wee bit upset about the Big Lie that Big Liar had told them about an election being stolen.

    When, unlike the 34 Felonies that Big Liar named Trump committed in New York State, did not happen anywhere in any state except for at least one other instance of it being done by that same Big Liar in the State of Georgia. Allegedly. LOL.

  4. #14660

    Yes and No

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    You gentlemen are letting your partisanship get the best of you. You make about as much sense as the Republicans who wanted to impeach Bill Clinton for lying about blow jobs. If a Democratic Party presidential candidate did what Trump did in the Stormy Daniels / Karen McDougal case and were prosecuted you'd be defending him.
    Yes what Bill Clinton did was wrong, but it was not an impeachable offense as it was not a "high crime or misdemeanor against the United States". And no, I would not defend anybody who did the things that Trump has done. Trump is the worst President ever as he has no respect for the rule of law or the Constitution of the United States, and he was the first President in our history to not abide by the peaceful transfer of power, among other things. The facts prove that he was unqualified and unfit for office, and I hope and pray that the American people do the right and wise thing by not returning him (and his not ready for prime time players) to the White House ever. That would be the best outcome for the country and the rest of the world.

  5. #14659

    Biden's Record Breaking Job Accomplishments! Meanwhile back in Detroit...

    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Now, why can't Trump or any other Repub do this rather than produce all the Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction of the past 100 years?

    And after outgoing Dem presidents hand them much, much better economic conditions than any outgoing Repub ever handed an incoming Dem.

    Is it because they just don't want to? I'm beginning to think that is the only possible reason. I mean, damn, not even in 100 years!

    Record-Breaking Accomplishments On Jobs And Unemployment Under Biden.
    June 7, 2024


    https://www.forbes.com/sites/richard...t-under-biden/
    Great job numbers all around and more good news for Black voters, from Joe Biden the 14th Best President in U.S. History.

    Tight labor markets during Bidens presidency have helped. In April, we saw the lowest gap between Black and White unemployment ever recorded, and the Biden Administration has been proactive in addressing persistent racial gaps in employment and society.
    Yet another great jobs report and according to the article, extremely positive news for Black voters looking for yet another, reason to vote for Biden.

    Especially, considering the whooper lies, fabrication and blubbering untruths given by Trump's recent awkward "billionaire white man" pleas and grovelling at a Black church (in Detroit), for the Black vote, in what can only be seen as a pathetic display of desperation, given the fact that, historical data shows, that 82% of Black voters, vote for Dems, Detroit is a Black voting stronghold and only 8% Black voters voted for him in 2020.

    But good on Detroit, if they can get Trump to spend a large amount of campaign dollars in their city. I'd love to see it happen!

  6. #14658
    You gentlemen are letting your partisanship get the best of you. You make about as much sense as the Republicans who wanted to impeach Bill Clinton for lying about blow jobs. If a Democratic Party presidential candidate did what Trump did in the Stormy Daniels / Karen McDougal case and were prosecuted you'd be defending him.

    Michael Cohen was caught on tax evasion and so the Feds were able to get him to plead guilty to the campaign finance charges. Maybe the Republicans can use that as a precedent to go after Joe Biden's attorney for channeling money to his brother. The Democrats want to put all the Republicans in jail and vice versa. You gentlemen should think about who's going to be left to pay for big government if you put all the taxpayers in jail.

  7. #14657

    Why is it so ridiculous?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    OK, yeah, I gave you the condensed version. He was convicted for keeping false business records by channeling payments to Daniels through his attorney, and for failure to disclose that as a campaign contribution. He called it legal expense, but never deducted the expense from his taxable income. This was logical. Trump signs his own checks but he doesn't do the accounting, and undoubtedly he didn't want rumors floating around his organization (and getting back to Melania and his kids) about paying off a porn star. So he didn't just write a check to Stormy. And admittedly it wouldn't have helped his presidential campaign if this got out. But calling that an unreported campaign contribution? It's ridiculous.
    Ridiculous? He paid her to get elected.

    Maybe he didn't really need it to get elected. Maybe he would've been elected even if Stormy had personally informed every one of his supporters about the event. In fact, his horrible Access Hollywood tape didn't seem to hurt him one bit. Maybe he would've received even more votes for storming Stormy, because seriously -- the more I'm looking at Trump's camp -- the more it reminds me of Johnstown.

    But in his mind he did believe that paying Stormy was preferable in order to improve his chances. As a lay person, I'd say "unreported campaign contribution" is fairly accurate in this context. What else was it? Payment for services rendered?

    There is nothing ridiculous about it.

  8. #14656
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    OK, yeah, I gave you the condensed version. He was convicted for keeping false business records by channeling payments to Daniels through his attorney, and for failure to disclose that as a campaign contribution. He called it legal expense, but never deducted the expense from his taxable income. This was logical. Trump signs his own checks but he doesn't do the accounting, and undoubtedly he didn't want rumors floating around his organization (and getting back to Melania and his kids) about paying off a porn star. So he didn't just write a check to Stormy. And admittedly it wouldn't have helped his presidential campaign if this got out. But calling that an unreported campaign contribution? It's ridiculous.

    He didn't cheat on his taxes. In fact, the federal and New York state governments ended up with more tax revenue than if he'd paid Stormy directly, being the additional tax paid by Michael Cohen on the transaction.
    You forgot the part where his fellow conspiritors and staffers, in written documents and testimony under oath, all evidence presented and verified showed that the sole purpose of the scheme was to "influence" (steal) the 2016 election and for no other reason. Doing it for that reason is an additional Felonious act.

    That was the final nail in Trump's 34 Felony Convisctions even if he never had sex with Daniels and what raised his crime to a more serious felony.

    And, no, the judge and the prosecutors did not just make up that part of in the closing arguments.

    Trump's fixer Michael Cohen has been saying that was the sole reason for Trump's Election Fraud scheme for years. As he did again under oath at Trump's trial with zero contradicting evidence presented by anyone or with any document.

    And, no, I am not personally at risk of the USA government or NY State or California State governments coming after me and convicting me of such a thing.

    Or Hillary Clinton ever.

    Or Joe Biden ever.

    Or Barack Obama ever.

  9. #14655
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Trump was not convicted of paying off Stormy Daniels.

    Why do you and other Trumpster / Repubs keep lying about that?
    OK, yeah, I gave you the condensed version. He was convicted for keeping false business records by channeling payments to Daniels through his attorney, and for failure to disclose that as a campaign contribution. He called it legal expense, but never deducted the expense from his taxable income. This was logical. Trump signs his own checks but he doesn't do the accounting, and undoubtedly he didn't want rumors floating around his organization (and getting back to Melania and his kids) about paying off a porn star. So he didn't just write a check to Stormy. And admittedly it wouldn't have helped his presidential campaign if this got out. But calling that an unreported campaign contribution? It's ridiculous.

    He didn't cheat on his taxes. In fact, the federal and New York state governments ended up with more tax revenue than if he'd paid Stormy directly, being the additional tax paid by Michael Cohen on the transaction.

  10. #14654
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    Sure Spidy. I full support your right to change your sex, provided you're 21 years of age. And your right to use marijuana, provided you're 18 years of age. Also your right to pay for sex with a donkey, provided said donkey is at least 18 years of age and consenting. And finally, if you were a women, I would support your right to get an abortion, provided it's under 15 weeks from conception in accordance with the Trump Doctrine.

    These are all hypotheticals. I believe you're a pretty normal, decent type who's not looking for donkey sex, etc., even though you are a partisan Democrat.

    Happy to support you on your voyage of self discovery!

    If there ever was a politically twisted version of how the Rule of Law has not held up to its billing, it's Trump's 34 felony convictions for paying off Stormy Daniels. And I have gotten out and fought. I was a contributor to and card carrying member of the ACLU before it became a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party.
    Trump was not convicted of paying off Stormy Daniels.

    Why do you and other Trumpster / Repubs keep lying about that?

  11. #14653
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    Correct, as to the loans that were the subject of the Engoron judgement, there were no victims on either side. The loans never went into default.

    Deutsche Bank accounted for most of the value of the loans, and it was assuming that Trump was worth about half of what he stated he was worth on his statements of financial condition. And based on estimates by Forbes and others, DB probably wasn't off by a lot. They were big boys and knew what they were getting into. Deutsche lost tens of millions on mostly unsecured loans on the Trump Tower, which mostly were not backed up by Trump's personal guarantee, back around 2011 I believe. They knew the score, and realized that Trump's personal guarantee on later loans was worth a lot.

    Judge Engoron, in determining the amount owed by Trump to the state of New York, assumed the guarantee was worth absolutely nothing. In fact, the amounts of the fines represented the additional interest that Trump would have paid if the loans were unsecured (around 9% per annum) versus secured (around 4% or 5%.) That's ridiculous. With the secured loans, Deutsche Bank could go after all of Trump's assets, not just the building that secured the loan.
    So as long as the frauds and liars who steal undeserved advantageous loan terms show enough of a profit from it to pay back the original fraudulently secured loan, then the banks, the law and everyone else who didn't lie and did not get those advantageous loan terms ought to be fine with that, right?

    LOL.

    You know, contrary to typical Repub lack of logic, if frauds and liars like Trump were really so terrific at producing profits and paying back loans, really owning $100 Million, 50,000 square foot, 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom condos and all that instead of being a blithering business failure, bankruptcy king and shameless deadbeat, he wouldn't have to lie on those loan documents to get favorable terms. He would deserve them and get them after having actually earned them.

    Which is anathema to Repubs, of course.

  12. #14652
    Quote Originally Posted by Spidy  [View Original Post]
    BTW, congratulations on coming out of the closet! I'd like to see you keep that same energy on a number of other social liberal issues.
    Sure Spidy. I full support your right to change your sex, provided you're 21 years of age. And your right to use marijuana, provided you're 18 years of age. Also your right to pay for sex with a donkey, provided said donkey is at least 18 years of age and consenting. And finally, if you were a women, I would support your right to get an abortion, provided it's under 15 weeks from conception in accordance with the Trump Doctrine.

    These are all hypotheticals. I believe you're a pretty normal, decent type who's not looking for donkey sex, etc., even though you are a partisan Democrat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spidy  [View Original Post]
    So now you're telling me what I am? That's mighty big of you!
    Happy to support you on your voyage of self discovery!

    Quote Originally Posted by Spidy  [View Original Post]
    (...kkkk) For decades, the Repub's mantra and whole philosophy has been to advocate and position itself as the party of "law and order". But it's plainly obvious, this philosophy only applies when "the law" (or LE), is not against them.

    Trump was convicted, based on the facts and evidence presented, was he not?

    Personally, it's good to see The Rule of Law, has held up to its billing and not some kind of twisted Republican version, of what they think the law should be, or to whom is should ONLY apply.

    A Rule of Law, that holds true to itself, is one where everyone is accountable and NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW!

    If you guys really believe the shit you're shoveling, then get out and fight for a change and more equality, in unjust laws, a criminal justice system and police brutality!
    If there ever was a politically twisted version of how the Rule of Law has not held up to its billing, it's Trump's 34 felony convictions for paying off Stormy Daniels. And I have gotten out and fought. I was a contributor to and card carrying member of the ACLU before it became a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party.

  13. #14651
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    Tooms isn't a bad guy. He just doesn't see the writing on the wall. He's hitched his wagon to the Democratic Party, and that's were it will stay, come hell or high water.
    Not at all IF AND ONLY IF Repubs start producing the occasional Great Economic Recovery, Economic Expansion and Historic Jobs Creation and None of the Great Depressions, Great Recessions and Massive Jobs Destruction.

    As Dems have consistently done for the past 100 years.

    I am only partisan to the side that produces superior results and against the side that produces crap results.

    And factoring in all available data and easily observable reality over the past 100 years, my vote must go only to Dems and never to Repubs.

    Another one of Elvis' total misrepresentations is in how he apparently believes the Checks and Balances principle of USA democracy and governance is about Party affiliation. Uh. No.

    In today's world that would be like arguing we ought to place an equal amount of known arsonists / Repubs in my neighborhood as fire fighters and first responders / Dems. You know, just to be fair and keep the Checks and Balances feature going. LOL.

    Not with my help.

  14. #14650
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    As long as you are convinced that lying on loan documents that shift advantageous terms and money to frauds and liars rather than to honest borrowers is a "victimless crime" as long as the liars share their ill-gotten gains, if any, that they cheated the honest borrowers out of with the bank they originally stole it from, you should feel all warm and fuzzy knowing that a self-described multi multi multi Billionaire won't really suffer any meaningful penalty by paying a mere $455 Million fine for doing it.

    No real "victim" on either side, right?
    Correct, as to the loans that were the subject of the Engoron judgement, there were no victims on either side. The loans never went into default. Trump met his interest and principal payment requirements.

    Deutsche Bank accounted for most of the value of the loans, and it was assuming that Trump was worth about half of what he stated he was worth on his statements of financial condition. And based on estimates by Forbes and others, DB probably wasn't off by a lot. They were big boys and knew what they were getting into. Deutsche lost tens of millions on mostly unsecured loans on the Trump Tower Chicago, which mostly were not backed up by Trump's personal guarantee, back around 2011 I believe. They knew the score, and realized that Trump's personal guarantee on later loans was worth a lot.

    Judge Engoron, in determining the amount owed by Trump to the state of New York, assumed the guarantee was worth absolutely nothing. In fact, the amounts of the fines represented the additional interest that Trump would have paid if the loans were unsecured (around 9% per annum) versus secured (around 4% or 5%.) That's ridiculous. With the secured loans, Deutsche Bank could go after all of Trump's assets, not just the building that secured the loan.

  15. #14649
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny12  [View Original Post]
    Actually if you put a gun to my head and told me I had to vote for Biden or Trump, I'd tell you to pull the trigger.

    That's even though it's more likely Trump's policies would work to the benefit of many of my friends and family, who work in fossil fuels. Biden and the Democrats want to take their jobs. But they also want lower gasoline prices. What a hoot!
    Great Repub Depressions, Great Repub Recessions and Massive Repub Jobs Destruction take your friends' and family's jobs, along with tens of millions other Americans. Like the most recent ones Repub Trump's policies and stewardship produced.

    Not Great Dem Economic Recoveries, Great Dem Expansions and Historic Dem Jobs Creation, including these current ones under Joe Biden.

    If your friends and family in the oil industry have done poorly under Joe Biden or worse than they and virtually every other American fared under Trump's results, then they really need to find another line of work anyway.

    Great time to start looking for those new jobs would be right now or in the next 4 1/2 years under Biden. For God's sake don't tell them to wait for when Trump or some other Repub is in the WH. All consistent historical and current data shows that would be the worst time to start looking for a new job.

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