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  1. #10473

    Spread your investments

    Quote Originally Posted by Goferring  [View Original Post]
    I'll resume my position as resident online fan-boy. 😁.
    Enjoy. G.
    When you invest do you put all your eggs in one basket? But also, do you look for the investment with the best guaranteed return? To me the mongering scene is getting more like a roulette spin. Going back to a bar and complaining about the quality of the session is met with BS these days. To me its all about me controlling the session as much as possible and controlling my investment. Service providers are usually motivated by money or the promise of more money. Once the fee is paid what incentive is there to give top performance or honour the agreed upon conditions? Agree with many who say FL and online is the way to go. Yes it may require more work but so does going from bar to bar wading through the BS and promises and the prepaid chance of striking a dud. I will spread my net wide, choose wisely and control both the money and performance as much as I can. You may call it overthinking or taking the fun out of punting. I call it being smart because in places like Angeles, Pattaya and the like more so the proverb " A fool and his money" is applicable.

    BYVMD.

  2. #10472
    Quote Originally Posted by Datiao  [View Original Post]

    Cebu Pac just opened new routes Clark to Guangzhou, Manila to Shenzhen. Wooing the Chinese?
    Yes correct. There are so many millionaires in China that they need to target them. The Chinese women get dropped off at Greenbelt so that they can clean out the Hermès, Chanel and LV stores. Meanwhile, the men go to AC to drink, gamble and fuck. Seems like a pretty good deal.

    Get set for the Indian invasion too to Manila as this article shows. https://centreforaviation.com/analys...m-grows-445347.

    I might need to learn Spanish and go to South America to monger soon. LOL. Has anyone encountered any Chinese, Korean or Indian mongers in Columbia or Venezuela?

  3. #10471

    Online vs barfine

    Quote Originally Posted by Goferring  [View Original Post]
    I'll resume my position as resident online fan-boy. 😁.

    Since when is roaming from bar to bar to bar point and fuck? I'm pretty easy to please but it often takes me several stops over half a night to find someone worth barfining. After 10 pm, in a major city, it generally takes me 30 minutes to have someone in a taxi heading to my place. In the afternoon I can still jump online when most bars are closed.

    Once found, the AC bar fine is prepaid so the girl essentially has no incentive to go the extra mile. We've had numerous posts about shoddy performances with no recourse. My last couple of visits lend support to these posts. Contrast that to a post paid PL hook up where she has every incentive to keep me happy.

    Personally, I have a strong preference for an overnight LT. As above, I have had numerous bar girls suddenly need to be on a early morning bus and do a one shot runner. Yet she still expects full payment / tip!!

    Enjoy. G.
    That unfortunately is the case now for barfines.

    Last month I barfined 2 from different bars. First Viking girl.

    Wanted supper at korean restaurant before goung ti hotel.

    After one shot wore pyjamas and slept. Refused a 2nd shot in the morning and have the cheek to ask for transport fares. Frankly speaking I was ready to give a 500 p tip if there was a 2nd shot as the 1st was good.

    2nd girl barfined from F1 perimeter agreed 2-10 pm infront of manager.

    After Jollibee meal back hotel and after 1 shot said need to leave for Manila, I told her she could go after a 2nd shot and she complied leaving at 7 pm.

    Then got an online girl for 1500 p ST and was good.

    Too much bullshit from the bars, I m going online from now on and hope more mongers do that till it affects the businesses. Dating sites do have its cons like actual look different from pics n no turn up, so some effort needed.

    The price increase of hotels and food from 2 years ago at about 20%. Value of AC deteriorating fast.

    Cebu Pac just opened new routes Clark to Guangzhou, Manila to Shenzhen. Wooing the Chinese?

  4. #10470
    Quote Originally Posted by EngineDriver  [View Original Post]
    Some mongers, after paying thousands for airfares and accommodation, and then sitting in that aluminium tube for 20 hours, will try to economise when they hit the ground. They figure they only need to pay 1,500 pesos for an on-line hooker, or better still, if they "have game", they can bang them for free. This compares to 3,500 pesos for a point-and-fuck deal at the bars. Their inordinate amount of time spent in fossicking for tiny specks of gold dust has no value.

    If you are in AC, there is absolutely no point in going on line.
    I'll resume my position as resident online fan-boy. 😁.

    Since when is roaming from bar to bar to bar point and fuck? I'm pretty easy to please but it often takes me several stops over half a night to find someone worth barfining. After 10 pm, in a major city, it generally takes me 30 minutes to have someone in a taxi heading to my place. In the afternoon I can still jump online when most bars are closed.

    Once found, the AC bar fine is prepaid so the girl essentially has no incentive to go the extra mile. We've had numerous posts about shoddy performances with no recourse. My last couple of visits lend support to these posts. Contrast that to a post paid PL hook up where she has every incentive to keep me happy.

    Personally, I have a strong preference for an overnight LT. As above, I have had numerous bar girls suddenly need to be on a early morning bus and do a one shot runner. Yet she still expects full payment / tip!! In contrast, every online girl has handled any morning wood and stayed until I want to kick them out.

    Financially, it's a wash. 3 to 3. 5 k bar fine vs 3 k online LT. Add in some drinks and maybe some clubbing (and the airfare, hotel etc sunk costs) and I'd agree it's a trivial part of the night's entertainment.

    Enjoy. G.

  5. #10469
    Quote Originally Posted by EngineDriver  [View Original Post]
    Some mongers, after paying thousands for airfares and accommodation, and then sitting in that aluminium tube for 20 hours, will try to economise when they hit the ground. They figure they only need to pay 1,500 pesos for an on-line hooker, or better still, if they "have game", they can bang them for free. This compares to 3,500 pesos for a point-and-fuck deal at the bars. T.
    The difference is around $40 which is crazy stupid IMHO as where they have come from $40 gets you a few minutes LOL.

    I have said before there are so many cheap guys who think it is great and powerful to not tip a trike driver 20 pesos or a waiter / waitresses 100 pesos (and boast of it).

    What is the point? And why be so cheap after spending so much cash to get there and the hotel?

    But we are all different I know LOL.

  6. #10468
    Quote Originally Posted by ChochaMonger  [View Original Post]
    If you want fast fucks, why waste time shifting through the huge pile of shit tailings in search of diamonds online when you can point-and-fuck at the bars?
    Some mongers, after paying thousands for airfares and accommodation, and then sitting in that aluminium tube for 20 hours, will try to economise when they hit the ground. They figure they only need to pay 1,500 pesos for an on-line hooker, or better still, if they "have game", they can bang them for free. This compares to 3,500 pesos for a point-and-fuck deal at the bars. Their inordinate amount of time spent in fossicking for tiny specks of gold dust has no value.

    If you are in AC, there is absolutely no point in going on line.

  7. #10467
    Quote Originally Posted by Sammon  [View Original Post]
    Well, getting a online girl takes effort and patience. Not all are interested to fuck a short time foreigner visitor. Those who are ready to come to your room on a moments notice are looking for quick money and there will not be any bonding. Sex is wham boom.

    I have found plenty of gems over the years. Trust is established after chatting many times. I always give them money even if they do not demand it.

    I have learned to give them a slack with regard to timings, last minute family issues etc. Many of them just go to school or work and go home. They are not used to going around by themselves. So they do not know how long it takes from point to point. Many of them are really scared to be in the room. So pre meeting chat helps. I discuss everything and they get friendly enough to trust.

    Those who meet foreigners for money cannot be trusted. They will make plans but maybe get better offers and will not show up giving one reason or another.

    Bargirls of yesteryears were very good. Not anymore.
    Sammon, while it looks like we operate at different ends of the market (I am generally looking for a girl to drop around at short notice and while a connection is good, I'm not interested in ongoing romance), I agree with most of what you have said except:

    Not all hookups without notice are 'wham boom'. I too have come across many girls who have provided great sessions and who I have seen again within the same trip or even several following trips. However, in my case both parties understand it's just compensated fun and that it won't progress beyond that.

    I didn't mean that all delays were intentional or malicious. Just as there are some who lie about having left when they are still in the house, yes there are some who are simply stuck in traffic, at work or any other of the 1000 things that a westerner doesn't consider. Regardless it makes little sense to sit around waiting potentially hours while she is battling her way through these. Much better to get on with your day and meet when she does actually show up.

    I think the vast majority are in fact meeting us for monetary reasons or at least a chance to better their lives. For me to believe otherwise would be naive. With all girls I take the most basic precautions to protect my time and belongings regardless of how we met. Having said that, the times that I have actually been caught out is very small indeed. It's certainly not something that I worry too much about.

    Don't get me started on the good old days. LOL.

    Cheers. G.

  8. #10466
    Quote Originally Posted by Pwrmnd  [View Original Post]
    Online dating here still feels like digging through a huge pile of sh $t for a diamond. It's very time consuming. I think I'm getting a little better, though, at identifying the problems earlier and improving my list of "best practices. " The goal is not to maximize every opportunity, but to decrease the time spent per happy encounter.
    Pwrmnd writes good tips for online dating chat. He has a set of predefined rules which f the Filipina breeches one of the rules, then he moves on.

    The big difference compared to traditional real life chatting is that online has virtually unlimited potential. We can cut of a diamond because of our inexperience or rush to score and not know it, but then you have many more potentials in the pipeline.

    I recall reading somewhere where the online game gives punters the opportunity to hone their skills. Crash and burn earlier and learn the lessons. As they say now, "Fail fast, fail early".

    That being said, the really good scores, the really great Filipina will have their own expectations for their successful foreigners:

    Guys need not talking about sex too early, not totally ignoring it, and able to talk about more than that.

    Having some social skills and a job and some ongoing opportunity.

    Take video calls an unexpected times (IS he actually married to another Filipina?

    Why do we care about these? Because when they test those points, we know they are a good catch. The Filipina that just arrives without grilling "her" catch we know she's a pro.

    So when you see the above come from a Filipina, consider and test your own responses.

    It's a game.

    PP.

  9. #10465
    Quote Originally Posted by Goferring  [View Original Post]
    Good information. Just to expand on a couple of your points:

    I've given up on making contact ahead of time. Now I don't even message a girl unless I'm in town and ready to meet her today or tomorrow. This gives a much greater success rate as they know I am serious and cuts down on the BS as there is less time for distractions and calamities requiring my urgent financial help.

    I'd also caution anyone on putting any effort into meeting a girl or diverting plans in any way. It's a certainty she will be hours late and give you misinformation about her location and how far away she is. Just tell her to call when she has arrived at a nearby location, get on with what you are doing and only go down to meet her when and if she arrives. Stories abound of guys sitting waiting in their hotel rooms for hours, messaging her repeatedly to confirm if she is on the way and her location, only to have wasted half a day when she doesn't show.

    Enjoy. G.
    Well, getting a online girl takes effort and patience. Not all are interested to fuck a short time foreigner visitor. Those who are ready to come to your room on a moments notice are looking for quick money and there will not be any bonding. Sex is wham boom.

    I have found plenty of gems over the years. Trust is established after chatting many times. I always give them money even if they do not demand it.

    I have learned to give them a slack with regard to timings, last minute family issues etc. Many of them just go to school or work and go home. They are not used to going around by themselves. So they do not know how long it takes from point to point. Many of them are really scared to be in the room. So pre meeting chat helps. I discuss everything and they get friendly enough to trust.

    Those who meet foreigners for money cannot be trusted. They will make plans but maybe get better offers and will not show up giving one reason or another.

    Bargirls of yesteryears were very good. Not anymore.

  10. #10464
    Quote Originally Posted by ChochaMonger  [View Original Post]
    If you want fast fucks, why waste time shifting through the huge pile of shit tailings in search of diamonds online when you can point-and-fuck at the bars?
    In an ideal world you would be right but I think we've reached a tipping point where the quantity and quality of bar girls has been over taken by those online. Also good luck finding a bar girl to solve morning wood at 10 am. LOL.

  11. #10463
    Quote Originally Posted by Goferring  [View Original Post]
    I'd also caution anyone on putting any effort into meeting a girl or diverting plans in any way. It's a certainty she will be hours late and give you misinformation about her location and how far away she is. Just tell her to call when she has arrived at a nearby location, get on with what you are doing and only go down to meet her when and if she arrives. Stories abound of guys sitting waiting in their hotel rooms for hours, messaging her repeatedly to confirm if she is on the way and her location, only to have wasted half a day when she doesn't show.

    Enjoy. G.
    This is excellent information. Focus on doing what you enjoy, going about your business, working online etc etc. The girls are unreliable.

    PP.

  12. #10462
    Quote Originally Posted by Pwrmnd  [View Original Post]
    ..... From talking with others here, I'm coming around to the idea that it's better to just invite them to the hotel right away, or to "stay overnight", and use that as a filter. I'll miss out on a few, but my hit rate will go way up.
    ......
    Another arranged to meet with me at MOA, but then took me on a prolonged game of hide-and-seek. I lost.
    Good information. Just to expand on a couple of your points:

    I've given up on making contact ahead of time. Now I don't even message a girl unless I'm in town and ready to meet her today or tomorrow. This gives a much greater success rate as they know I am serious and cuts down on the BS as there is less time for distractions and calamities requiring my urgent financial help.

    I'd also caution anyone on putting any effort into meeting a girl or diverting plans in any way. It's a certainty she will be hours late and give you misinformation about her location and how far away she is. Just tell her to call when she has arrived at a nearby location, get on with what you are doing and only go down to meet her when and if she arrives. Stories abound of guys sitting waiting in their hotel rooms for hours, messaging her repeatedly to confirm if she is on the way and her location, only to have wasted half a day when she doesn't show.

    Enjoy. G.

  13. #10461
    If you want fast fucks, why waste time shifting through the huge pile of shit tailings in search of diamonds online when you can point-and-fuck at the bars?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pwrmnd  [View Original Post]
    Online dating here still feels like digging through a huge pile of sh $t for a diamond. It's very time consuming. I think I'm getting a little better, though, at identifying the problems earlier and improving my list of "best practices. " The goal is not to maximize every opportunity, but to decrease the time spent per happy encounter.

    First, there are the virgins, or wannabee virgins. They want to meet you outside, sometimes with a cousin. I always reject the cousin, but I've been willing to meet outside. Those have turned out to be hard to get, though. From talking with others here, I'm coming around to the idea that it's better to just invite them to the hotel right away, or to "stay overnight", and use that as a filter. I'll miss out on a few, but my hit rate will go way up.

    Second, there are the scammers and leaches. Obviously, asking for money before meeting earns an immediate block. I will pay taxi on arrival or book a grab though. I'm also thinking that any implication that they will need an allowance is a bad sign. My sample size is only one, but the urgent need for money was never ending. Maybe a good test is to ask her the price of something, implying you'll give her the money. But you already know the real price (for example, something like 1000+ taxi for a passport)..

  14. #10460
    Online dating here still feels like digging through a huge pile of sh $t for a diamond. It's very time consuming. I think I'm getting a little better, though, at identifying the problems earlier and improving my list of "best practices. " The goal is not to maximize every opportunity, but to decrease the time spent per happy encounter.

    First, there are the virgins, or wannabee virgins. They want to meet you outside, sometimes with a cousin. I always reject the cousin, but I've been willing to meet outside. Those have turned out to be hard to get, though. From talking with others here, I'm coming around to the idea that it's better to just invite them to the hotel right away, or to "stay overnight", and use that as a filter. I'll miss out on a few, but my hit rate will go way up.

    Second, there are the scammers and leaches. Obviously, asking for money before meeting earns an immediate block. I will pay taxi on arrival or book a grab though. I'm also thinking that any implication that they will need an allowance is a bad sign. My sample size is only one, but the urgent need for money was never ending. Maybe a good test is to ask her the price of something, implying you'll give her the money. But you already know the real price (for example, something like 1000+ taxi for a passport).

    Third, there are the flakes. Many say they will meet but then just disappear. Maybe they chickened out, or maybe they have a lot of other bfs lined up. Whatever the reason, they are much quicker to agree to meet than to actually meet.

    Fourth, some turn out to be semi-pros at the last minute. Maybe they just didn't want to admit it up front. It's not bad to have a list of back-up plan contacts, but they should at least be really hot and, preferably, low mileage.

    Other "best practices": They must use whatsapp, must send clear pictures (face and body), and must video chat in advance.

    Some of the stories and behaviors are really amusing, at least to me. One complained of how difficult it is being on the edge of bankruptcy, while playing on her 10 k Peso phone. English problems and thinking problems can be a huge hassle. One said "I'm arriving", causing me to run downstairs, when she actually meant "I'm departing. " Another arranged to meet with me at MOA, but then took me on a prolonged game of hide-and-seek. I lost.

  15. #10459
    Quote Originally Posted by GoodEnough  [View Original Post]
    Like others, I've often pondered the 'Why do they do it" question and have no firm answer. However, I think it speaks to some deep-seated emotional need on the part of the foreign guys, most of whom likely have no woman who "loves" them back home. Ive come to think that these guys are trying to solve their own problems; that the sending of money and the erroneous belief that this engenders some sort of fidelity and caring speaks more to their emotional needs than it does to intrinsic greed on the part of the women. Probably as with many others here, Ive met (and bedded) women whose boyfriends have never set foot in this country and likely never will, but who seem to fill some sort of emotional void by speaking with the women daily.
    There's also the amusement value and light entertainment in seeing where all this might lead. The concept of giving money to damsels in distress is new and exciting for many mongers. Besides, for many mongers, the money involved is chicken shit, so it doesn't matter. It's not always related to loneliness back at home. There's plenty of women who love me here. Honest. LOL.

    The Urban Dictionary defines damsel in distress as “a usually beautiful, virginal, virtuous, and hopelessly passive young woman constantly in need of rescue by the dashing hero”. Sums it up perfectly

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