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  1. #497
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    The irony of the thing is that before dudes would do all this stuff in order to look like a lady. That crazy ass makeup, fake lashes, fake nails, implants, other surgeries, etc. Now real women are doing shit to look like the guys that were doing shit in order to try to look like them. The shit is crazy. I ask chicks why do you want to look like a ladyboy when they have all that bullshit makeup, fake hair, and those lashes on. And this is happening the world over.

    It is very twisted when the real is now trying to imitate the fake. How was it that the fake was able to start dictating beauty standards? That is part of the reason mfs are having a hard time trying to identify the fake. It is not that ladyboys look like real women; it is that real women are starting to look like ladyboys. Maybe I have less of a problem identifying them than others because I do not go for that look. Whenever someone posts a picture of what one of these really good gogo girls is supposed to look like, it always looks like a dude to me. I go for more of a natural woman look, so I am not thrown off.
    This is where we agree a lot. I am sick of heavily altered girls, seemingly trying to look like LBs. I am going for the very natural looks, if well above average. Even the heavily altered noses to bird beaks or witch hook noses puts me off big time. Crazy wig looking hairdos to appeal to the japs does not impress me. Half coconut tits. No thanks! Long straight black hair, natural works fine for me. Coloured I can tolerate.

    My favourite Crazy House girl, Donut, was a natural slim beauty, with teeth braces. She never had any difficulty to get a customer really quickly. Just a class above, and was a student so only working some weekends. Her funny thing at one time was rainbow coloured hair, meaning strawberry streaks, green streaks, etc. I just ignored the colouring. She was still naturally damn pretty. May have on odd occasion had the big eye contact lenses in, which made her look slightly freaky. She was very pretty without that or the hair colour. All unnecessary.

    In Bacarrat, I saw several times a Japanese guy call a girl over who was the very most LB like looking one, or most exaggerated surgeries, makeup etc. I had to be perplexed why these types appealed to some guys. These were girls that would be at very last on my list of preferences. I could not call them "pretty" just weird.

    In the early 1990s we had some tit jobs in Thailand, but overall the surgery levels were low. I really preferred it, even if the naked girls in the early 2000s still had trimmed pussy hair. Bald pussy wasn't that common.

    Suddenly I realise I have got off the Tranny Id. topic. I once heard about a guy who had the operation to become female because he wanted to be a Lesbian. Go figure that.

  2. #496
    To confuse matters even further there are women who are borderline. And they could be katoeys.

    I took out a bird from patpong bar who looked suspicious but the mamasan and other gals confirmed she was a female. So back in the hotel she did have a fanny that was normal,but she was very attractive and slim with a tiny fanny. 1 finger tight needed some lube on her pussy.

  3. #495

    LBs want money up front but don't.

    Ladyboys always want money up front as they know when they're outed they won't get paid. But now with guys paying women up front too it may not work. Then they get into fights when they're exposed as things can turn nasty in the hotel room. I have been in hotels with a fracas going on next door when a punter finds out hes been had and a fist fight starts when he wants his money back, but you won't get your money back, lBs will never give you your money back so be prepared to walk away if they look suspect. Once you get your eye in you should be OK on IDing LBs.

    Most big LBs are easy to spot with their fake tits but beware the small sized women with soft voices.

    Hotel receptionists used to have a quiet word with punters to explain their date was a cock in a frock but don't know if they still do.

    As they get involved in violent confrontations late at night when a punter get s a nasty surprise.

    Also watch out for ladyboy muggers on beach road Pattaya in the am when shops turn off their lighting as they like to operate in the shadows picking off drunks. They work in gangs with 2 of them holding a guys arms while another nicks his money and phone.

    I was mugged by 2 of them on sukhumvit road BKK at around 4 am near the thermae with 2 holding my arms whilst they tried to rifle my pockets. I managed to give them a kick and run off to escape their clutches.

    They like picking off drunks on Sukhumvit road in the small hours.

    Don't underestimate ladyboys when they're desperate to rob you. They like the shadows where they can't be identified as LBs.

    A favorite pastime of mine was to grab a LBs tits on Sukmvit road and run off just to annoy them and they chased me down the road but you need to be fast to outrun them.

  4. #494
    Quote Originally Posted by HorseTrader  [View Original Post]
    This is a non-problem. I've probably ignored hundreds of real females because they look/sound/act a bit like a ladyboy. If they are a female pretending to look like a ladyboy, I'll just hire somebody else.
    This wasn't a hire. It was only a first meet from an online site, no discussion or expectation of money. And there was nothing "masculine" about her. Only "tomboyish" enough for many men to call it wrong, especially very (overly?) cautious men.

    I called it right in moving forward with this girl. But have to admit I was not 100% certain until I got to her vagina. Until then it was possible that I was with the most convincing faker I had ever met. But I was still in control of my faculties, well as much as usual, to know I could back out if the final reveal was "LB". It wasn't.

    She was a delight in bed, her "tomboyishness" and superior, genuine female vagina made for a terrific combination. I will see her again.

  5. #493
    Quote Originally Posted by Berrys66  [View Original Post]
    The small 'women' are the most successful at hoodwinking punters so when they speak listen very carefully with your ear at their mouth as their voice tones will give them away. 30 years Thai punting here.
    I was shopping at the Tesco-Lotus in Pranburi. A small person who appeared feminine was the cashier. Nothing was said as she totaled my groceries which is normal behavior towards a farang. When she / he spoke to give me my change, I realized that it was a katoey. I was more than very surprised.

  6. #492
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    I just had my second experience in mis-identifying a real female, suspecting she was a Ladyboy.
    This is a non-problem. I've probably ignored hundreds of real females because they look/sound/act a bit like a ladyboy. If they are a female pretending to look like a ladyboy, I'll just hire somebody else.

  7. #491
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    The irony of the thing is that before dudes would do all this stuff in order to look like a lady. That crazy ass makeup, fake lashes, fake nails, implants, other surgeries, etc. Now real women are doing shit to look like the guys that were doing shit in order to try to look like them.
    I think part of the problem is that once the guys started to make the effort, they ended up looking better and more sexy than the girls.

    The girls now have to step up their game to try and keep pace.

    I agree with you, that the look generated by all that fluff is simply not my taste either but for many men, it is what appeals to them. I can't count how many times I have had guys tell me how hot she looks, what a beautiful girl and I had to say, uh, dude, that's a guy.

    One thing that dress up guys can't hide is their Adams apple, the throat usually is the easiest way to identify a guy.

    Also, the one that is the best dressed and looking the sexiest and sluttiest, is usually the guy. .

  8. #490

    Its the small ones you need to be careful of.

    The small 'women' are the most successful at hoodwinking punters so when they speak listen very carefully with your ear at their mouth as their voice tones will give them away. 30 years Thai punting here.

  9. #489
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    I think it is very normal to be somewhat unconvinced by real girls where a few thinks look suspicious. Better that than be fooled by the LBs. For me, a good percentage of Bacarrat girls have so much surgeries I have to compare them to LB looks.
    The irony of the thing is that before dudes would do all this stuff in order to look like a lady. That crazy ass makeup, fake lashes, fake nails, implants, other surgeries, etc. Now real women are doing shit to look like the guys that were doing shit in order to try to look like them. The shit is crazy. I ask chicks why do you want to look like a ladyboy when they have all that bullshit makeup, fake hair, and those lashes on. And this is happening the world over.

    It is very twisted when the real is now trying to imitate the fake. How was it that the fake was able to start dictating beauty standards? That is part of the reason mfs are having a hard time trying to identify the fake. It is not that ladyboys look like real women; it is that real women are starting to look like ladyboys. Maybe I have less of a problem identifying them than others because I do not go for that look. Whenever someone posts a picture of what one of these really good gogo girls is supposed to look like, it always looks like a dude to me. I go for more of a natural woman look, so I am not thrown off. None of these people that you are being fooled by or having doubts about look like that when they woke up in the morning.

    When meeting someone online ask for a normal picture as the one they require for a drivers license or ID; no make-up and hair pulled back. That will put an end to most of the dilemas right there. There are not too many dudes that look like ladies or ladies that look like dudes when you see them in this state.

  10. #488
    E. T.

    I think it is very normal to be somewhat unconvinced by real girls where a few thinks look suspicious. Better that than be fooled by the LBs. For me, a good percentage of Bacarrat girls have so much surgeries I have to compare them to LB looks.

    There is one girl habitually working on Soi 4 that is about 5 ft 9+ in flat soles. You can imagine she gets the Ladyboy treatment a lot. E. g. Gets asked if she still has a dick, etc. Its easy for her to prove otherwise by showing off her stretch marks and saggy tits from the baby. At one time she had full tits, not long after the child birth. Unfortunately she lost her husband somehow (accident maybe), so has kids to support. Her face, teeth and body are not good enough for me. A bit too fussy. I sometimes had a chat with her and her more chubby friend that always seems to be there.

    A little surprised that you went so far, being unsure. Being unsure, is normally an easy no for me. If really attractive, then I have to decide if am sure it is a girl or not.

    Hopefully 80%+ of the unsure cases will be girls, and 20% or less LBs. We hope with most LBs, that we will real sure.

  11. #487

    Thought I was good at identifying Ladyboys, however.

    I just had my second experience in mis-identifying a real female, suspecting she was a Ladyboy. Two nights ago. Met a girl on Tinder, then moved it to Line. Her Line Timeline was full of videos of herself, all too often flipping her hair, trying hard to look sullen and "sexy" in that phony Ladyboy way. Still, I was intrigued and a first meeting at a nearby mall would not be much of an investment to find out for sure. Unfortunately, my first impression was still not conclusive. She was tall, slim, fit, a bit tomboyish but in more of the Western way where the girl is just a bit more "athletic" than most and does not behave in a girly-girl manner.

    Worse, she KNEW she might come across as a possible Ladyboy with many men (maybe just non Thai men) and played it up over lunch. LOL. At one point she flipped her hair, sneaky smile and asked what I thought, did I think she was "suway" (pretty). I said, yes. Then she said, "You think Ladyboy?" I even think I heard her SAY she was a Ladyboy. I told her, honestly, "Well, I don't really know for sure, yet."

    As in the only other time I called it wrong a couple of years ago (thinking the girl was a Ladyboy when she was actually a real female, that is), this time it was so borderline while she was so sweet and fun to interact with, I decided to let the chips fall where they may and keep going until the final reveal produces a horrible truth or not.

    Longer story short, even as I pulled off her panties in my bed (her breasts seemed totally natural but could be a great implant job) I was not 100% sure I would not be confronted with a hilarious punchline that we both could laugh about but there would be no sex to follow.

    However, I'll be damned if she was not fully and completely a 100% natural born female with one of the most perfect feeling, generously self-lubricating vaginas I have had in a while. And she was insatiable as any girl I have ever known. In a good way.

    But, guys, I swear she exhibited almost all of the usual signs. More subtly than usual. But there. Now that I have had two such experiences, I no longer feel confident I can tell for sure. There are simply many Thai girls who are "tomboyish" in the same way some of us think of it in the West, where the girl is not secretly a man and not even a lesbian, loves dick as much if not more than any regular girly-girl type.

  12. #486
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    Exactly. Any idea where this person is now? They say that most dudes that cut their dicks off eventually kill themselves.
    You are exactly right.

    I think she did it about 2 years after cutting off her dick.

  13. #485
    Mr E,

    I think you have been wrong once. Camila Woolfe is a woman but you said she was a man.

    There are some that are very hard to tell. I have met one that I just could't tell, this was after examining her pussy visually. The only way I figured it out was calling the reception to check the ID. I picked her up near Thermae for 3 K. She agreed to everything I asked and that made me suspicious so I called front desk when she was in the shower.

  14. #484
    Quote Originally Posted by HorseTrader  [View Original Post]
    She believed she moved exactly like a real woman and that her hormone generated tits looked good, but any sober man could see that she wasn't female. She had broad shoulders, narrow hips, and strong chest; nothing changed there. She was easy to spot in a crowd of people, she always looked more like a guy in drag than a true woman.
    Exactly. Any idea where this person is now? They say that most dudes that cut their dicks off eventually kill themselves. As long as their chromosomes say XY then they will always be a male. Gender is based on what is written inside of you, and not how you look on the outside or feel on the inside. They are not having babies, they are not having periods, they are not going through menopause, and they better get a prostate check. It is really sad that some societies give into and even encourage this fairy tale fantasy of a male becoming a female.

    Quote Originally Posted by HorseTrader  [View Original Post]
    5. Engage in conversation and listen to the voice. Avoid deep voices and voices that crack.
    They will try to talk low like whisper. Tell them to speak louder because you can not hear. They probably will not do it, but if they do then you can tell the bass in the voice.

  15. #483

    My thoughts on identifying ladyboys

    My first experience with a ladyboy was in USA in about 1982, when a coworker did the male to female switch. She was about 26 years old and about 5'6". She had to live a full year in public dressed in drag prior to the surgery. That first year I worked closely with her and I heard all the details of the process: hormones, growing longer hair, longer nails, lessons in walking, voice lessons, and lessons in manners. She was very chatty with me. After surgery she was out of the office for about 3 weeks while she recovered and had more training. About a year after surgery she told me of her two disappointments: (a) Based on her personal digital inspection, she said the man made vagina felt nothing like the inside of a real vagina. (b) She could never get the female voice quite right and she knew that more training and practice could never make her perfect. She believed she moved exactly like a real woman and that her hormone generated tits looked good, but any sober man could see that she wasn't female. She had broad shoulders, narrow hips, and strong chest; nothing changed there. She was easy to spot in a crowd of people, she always looked more like a guy in drag than a true woman.

    Move ahead to 2019 Thailand and it is the same rules but better implementation. The Thai lady boys are visually very close to real girls. But, I think they still give themselves away by their height, movements, voices, hip-to-shoulder ratio, hand veins, and possible Adam's apple. I expect that the 2019 lady boy would have the same 1982 problem of an imperfect feel inside the vagina.

    Here are my imperfect guidelines for avoiding ladyboys:

    1. Beware of the girls taller than about 162 cm (average Thai man is 168 cm and average Thai woman is 157 cm).

    2. Watch the shoulder to hip ratio, it better be small.

    3. Look at facial and hand features. Just use your judgement.

    4. Look for Adam's apple.

    5. Engage in conversation and listen to the voice. Avoid deep voices and voices that crack.

    6. Watch for over doing the female motions (toss the hair, swing the hips, etc.).

    If you think you want her but you are unsure, just ask. The first lady boy I asked was on Soi 11 and she said "but it's only 800 baht. " A real girl will be unhappy that you asked, but she will be pleased that she got your business.

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