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  1. #43646
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    My last visit to Thailand was in 2015. I cannot recall seeing back then Asian tourists with fat ugly Thai girls. Is that happening now?
    East Asians are 95% of the customers in Thermae. I wouldn't fuck any of the girls in there to be frank.

    East Asians have taken over the gogos. The increase in Chinamen at gogos since 2015 has been stunning. You can only imagine the numbers that will be there 5 years from now.

    Yes, you do see fat disgusting 60 year farang with fat disgusting 40 year old bar girls.

    East Asians make up the majority of the customers in Bangkok gogos. Apparently they like average looking Issan girls. It's certainly not Farang barfining them every night.

  2. #43645
    Quote Originally Posted by Marky1  [View Original Post]
    Most of the sex tourists are from China, Japan, Korea. What's their excuse?
    My last visit to Thailand was in 2015. I cannot recall seeing back then Asian tourists with fat ugly Thai girls. Is that happening now?

  3. #43644
    Quote Originally Posted by Tommylove  [View Original Post]
    My GF and I had a 10 hour layover in Bangkok, so I decided to go get some sex and then meet up with my GF for dinner at Gaggan. She's open minded and said she wanted to do some shopping and realized that I needed to let off some steam. She added with a smile, "handjob only!" When the Airport Link / BTS dropped me near Nana, I used Google maps to guide me to the Analisa spa, but it took me to the wrong one! It turns out there's one near Asoke station and another near Nana station. I was tempted to stay, because there were several cuties, but the mamasan said they couldn't accept me if I had an appointment at the other place. They can't poach each other's clients! She texted that I'the be late, and since it was rush hour I hoofed it over, instead of getting a taxi and then stuck in traffic.

    ...

    By the way, this dinner at Gaggan was a $500 tasting menu for two. It's a Michelin two star that has won best restaurant in Asia a number of times. Amazing food, 25 dishes described by an emoji only dinner. The funnest dish was called "Lick it up 👅" and they played the song by Kiss at table with portable speaker, as they served the dish, which was eaten by licking the plate. The most surprising was the chili egg. A synthetic egg filled with chili infused sauces, sitting on a crunchy "nest", that exploded into indescribably delicious flavors your mouth. The absolute most delicious was the lamb chop perfectly prepared in a 140 oil cooker for 4 hours, flavored with lemongrass and pepper. It was a perfect way to end the evening before heading back to BKK for the flight home.
    Sounds like a nice GF. Coincidentally my GF and I were also at Gaggan some months ago. I thought it was a bit too "different just to be different" myself, but she thought it was really great.

    For people who like to eat in Bangkok (and a few other cities) I will strongly recommend installing the "eatigo" app on their phone. You won't find Gaggan or similar places there, but you will find many other there, both 3-star and 5-star. If you're flexible about time, the discount can be substantial. Up to 50%. Been using it for over a year now and found some really good restaurants I would not have found out about otherwise. The eatigo app and concept is really good imo.

  4. #43643

    Bangkok

    I go to BK sinds 40 years! And I stay always in the Nana area.

    My last time was 2 months ago.

    Thermae caf: plenty of nice young girls, but not realy my place, feel like a meat market.

    Beer Garden: Always all day girls, not the youngest ones, but sometimes you can be Lucky.

    And have a good time with for 1000 be.

    My standard way!

    1. I go in the morning / noon to a open day bar (not in front of my hotel) and look around for the lady staff.

    They have a morning and a night shift from 10 to 6 and 6 to 2 am).

    If I see one that I like I let me serve by her and start a chat.

    I go and come back a few houres later and chat again, she nows still my name, etc.

    I repeat this the day after and if the contact is good, you can ask her to see her / come to your hotel.

    After 6 pm and her shift, before she go home. Usually 1000 be.

    2. I go to a massage parlor, look if there is a mas. Lady that I like and if yes, I go for a 1 HR body massage.

    At 400 be. Of course at the end of the session she ask if you want some special (!1500 be!

    Than I say no, because I do'nt like s*x in a massage cabin, but I ask to see her later after her shift.

    Or if not possible, I tell her I come back tomorrow and you come give the massage in my room.

    Mostly the boss allow this, you pay only 100 be more to take her out.

    Than, we have a good shower toghetter and mas. In a clean spacy room, cosy atmosphere and the full service at the.

    End for only 1000 be more. Total time about 1,5 h.

    Good luck, enjoy!

  5. #43642
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    You are so lucky to be able to enjoy BBFS. I am the same age as you and prior to 1991 had numerous BBFS for close to 20 years. Then came the Magic Johnson announcement and some disconcerting symptoms on my part (turned out not problematic just psychological) and I swore off BBFS. At first I could not finish in a condom but in time I was able to. If I were to go BBFS with a hooker now it would not be enjoyable for me, the worrying alone would ensure that. I do enjoy DATY and rimming with certain girls, however, (intuition being my guide), no worries there.
    Everyone has their own level of risk aversion. Mine is somewhere between yours and EihTooms although much closer to his. Anyway, the whole point of P4 P is to have a good time, so do what makes you happy and let others do what makes them happy. For me there is no comparison between BBFS and covered sex. None. But unlike EihTooms, I would not reject a girl because she insisted on a condom for vaginal intercourse. On the other hand, I feel much stronger about BBBJ's vs CBJ's - CBJ's are a total waste of time IMHO. And I will not repeat, nor tip any girl who insists on wearing a condom for a bj. I have even been known to cancel sessions in midstream when a girl erected such a road block. Fortunately, CBJ's are not the default and I rarely encounter CBJ girls. Thank the Lord. So, in my last 100 girls I would estimate I have had no more than 6 girls who insisted on a CBJ. My stats on BBFS is very different with roughly doing 20% to 30% BBFS depending on the particular SE Asian country I am in. My Thai stats for BBFS are at the low end of that percentage.

    But if you or others prefer/require more protection to enjoy yourselves then rock on. It is none of my business. I would be amiss, however, in not pointing out that DATY, which you currently enjoy as do I, has its risks too. Go ask Michael Douglas. Thus, risk aversion, as I pointed out at the beginning of this post, is a very personal, subjective matter. There is no right or wrong only what you and the girl are comfortable with.

  6. #43641
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    ...............Unfortunately, I am 65 years old, not Thai, and was only able to fire off into a rubber once when I was about 20. And I think I am still suffering mild, lingering pain from almost rupturing a vital internal organ trying to squeeze that one off. So condoms are a non starter.............
    You are so lucky to be able to enjoy BBFS. I am the same age as you and prior to 1991 had numerous BBFS for close to 20 years. Then came the Magic Johnson announcement and some disconcerting symptoms on my part (turned out not problematic just psychological) and I swore off BBFS. At first I could not finish in a condom but in time I was able to. If I were to go BBFS with a hooker now it would not be enjoyable for me, the worrying alone would ensure that. I do enjoy DATY and rimming with certain girls, however, (intuition being my guide), no worries there.

  7. #43640
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    True but remember most of these dudes are recent arrivals from the land of whales (US) and are yet to appreciate that they can get younger and shapelier for less.
    Most of the sex tourists are from China, Japan, Korea. What's their excuse?

  8. #43639
    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock  [View Original Post]
    From what Thai friends tell me, it often (but not always) is. Depends on the lady. I wouldn't know because I use condoms and fire off in the rubber. I am like my Thai friends in that I'd rather have a timid 19 year old beauty with a perfect body in a few positions then a hardcore 30 year old hooker who is skilled but looks like she was hit by a bus covered in tattoo needles and stretch mark making machines.

    The Nana dancer sucked me pretty good, then 69, then I fired off in the rubber with her too. Probably spent 45 minutes with her. I was just looking to blow a load, so I got what I came for. She doesn't long time because her Thai boyfriend is jealous and he waits for her after work. Seriously, I have seen him around waiting. Lucky for me 45 minutes is more than enough time to climax.
    Ah, then that might solve the mystery about why some of us are fine with taking the go-go dancers we take and paying the barfine plus 2000-2500 to the girl. I suspect those lovely little university students are very much into sticking to the "Thai style" of things. I've been with some in the past who would fight to the death just to avoid DATY!

    Unfortunately, I am 65 years old, not Thai, and was only able to fire off into a rubber once when I was about 20. And I think I am still suffering mild, lingering pain from almost rupturing a vital internal organ trying to squeeze that one off. So condoms are a non starter.

    In my case at least, the lovely young lady could be the just turned 18 year old reigning Miss Virgin Teen Thailand and Top University Prom Queen. But unless, with little effort, she was clearly prepared to provide me with BBFS+CIP or BBBJ+CIM, then paying as low as 200 (two hundred) baht for an hour alone with her would be a waste of my time and money.

  9. #43638
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Is BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIM normally included at those 1500-3000 baht rates or negotiable with little effort with the university girls you're talking about? How about with the 1880-1000 baht Nana go-go dancer you mentioned?
    From what Thai friends tell me, it often (but not always) is. Depends on the lady. I wouldn't know because I use condoms and fire off in the rubber. I am like my Thai friends in that I'd rather have a timid 19 year old beauty with a perfect body in a few positions then a hardcore 30 year old hooker who is skilled but looks like she was hit by a bus covered in tattoo needles and stretch mark making machines.

    The Nana dancer sucked me pretty good, then 69, then I fired off in the rubber with her too. Probably spent 45 minutes with her. I was just looking to blow a load, so I got what I came for. She doesn't long time because her Thai boyfriend is jealous and he waits for her after work. Seriously, I have seen him around waiting. Lucky for me 45 minutes is more than enough time to climax.

  10. #43637
    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock  [View Original Post]
    Just ask. Seriously. "Do you have any kids? Any tattoos?" It's not that tough. When you hire a plumber, don't you ask them some questions first?

    In other words, you're fine with it. So don't worry then. Enjoy the CBJ.

    You can have sex with a university student with no tattoos, babies or stretch marks for between 1500 and 3000 Baht with little effort. So in my opinion, this is the fair price. For an older woman with a lot of mileage, tattoos, stretch marks, etc. , I would say a fair price is maybe 500-700 Baht. Believe it or not some will fuck you for that much. Yes even go go girls, if you get their LINE info and meet them in your condo during the day. But most probably won't do you for that much if you're a standard tourist. Because they don't have to. Because lots of farang will happily give them 3000,4000, 5000, or more, for 15 minutes of starfish activity. So I guess the fair price is "up to you".

    Believe it or not, bar fines are negotiable. The mama can change them if she wants to. Some people don't believe it, but it's true. Anyway, I last did a girl out of Nana last month. I paid 1880 Baht total. One lady drink, one bar fine, and 1000 for the girl. Repeated the next day in my room before she went to work for 1000. She has no baby damage, but unfortunately does have a tattoo over her tit.
    Is BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIM normally included at those 1500-3000 baht rates or negotiable with little effort with the university girls you're talking about? How about with the 1880-1000 baht Nana go-go dancer you mentioned?

  11. #43636
    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk67  [View Original Post]
    You're right, of course. I've had to become much more discerning and just deal with social awkwardness (after all, rejection is still rejection and feels bad from both sides, imo), but still not sure how to politely / discreetly figure out if she has anything up top or baby damage (one girl that had kids still had an amazing body, another had obvious baby damage, and even without babies some have pooches despite being very slim).
    Just ask. Seriously. "Do you have any kids? Any tattoos?" It's not that tough. When you hire a plumber, don't you ask them some questions first?

    The insistence on CBJ thing seems to be a more recent thing it seems to me, much more now than a year ago. Even then, part of me can't fault the girl for wanting to be safer as that's also good for me.
    In other words, you're fine with it. So don't worry then. Enjoy the CBJ.

    That being said, what about what we should be expecting for prices?
    You can have sex with a university student with no tattoos, babies or stretch marks for between 1500 and 3000 Baht with little effort. So in my opinion, this is the fair price. For an older woman with a lot of mileage, tattoos, stretch marks, etc. , I would say a fair price is maybe 500-700 Baht. Believe it or not some will fuck you for that much. Yes even go go girls, if you get their LINE info and meet them in your condo during the day. But most probably won't do you for that much if you're a standard tourist. Because they don't have to. Because lots of farang will happily give them 3000,4000, 5000, or more, for 15 minutes of starfish activity. So I guess the fair price is "up to you".

    I playfully was able to negotiate down from 2500ST to 2400ST, but it was with a girl who I think was just starting (and not hardened / spoiled yet) and seemed to really like me for some reason. To the members who frequent Nana / Cowboy more, are the barfines variable by club or just up to the whim of the mama (within the range of 700-1000)? ST at gogos I thought was also 2500, but recently none would go for less than 3000, and several reports of 3000 as well. Though I got one to go for 2500 by asking for it up front to the waitress who would go negotiate for me.
    Believe it or not, bar fines are negotiable. The mama can change them if she wants to. Some people don't believe it, but it's true. Anyway, I last did a girl out of Nana last month. I paid 1880 Baht total. One lady drink, one bar fine, and 1000 for the girl. Repeated the next day in my room before she went to work for 1000. She has no baby damage, but unfortunately does have a tattoo over her tit.

  12. #43635
    Tired of the "1500 baht for university students" as if all students are hot. They're not. They're not even all students. The language barrier was a bit too great to even give a damn. But if talking to a girl just because she has the "university girl" label that you imagined gets you off then so be it. Lots of girls at "local's" bars / clubs are not even educated or go to university. And some of the ones who do go to school have money to not even be interested in FLing. You are left with a very small subsection of university or uneducated younger girl who may be interested in some extra cash. Generally this will lead to more frustration. This "university girls at the club only local's go to" isn't all that.

    If you're a newbie, you're better off doing a variety of things to find out what works for you. Try a soapie, try a massage parlor, try a FL beer bar, try a gogo bar, try just walking up and down Sukhumvit, try online dating sites. If you're on a budget, well either a soapie or going for a nightly walk will be your best bet. You'll bound to find a few good looking ones. If you happen to match up with one and things go well, that's when you save her contact for future trips. Over time, you will have a nice contacts list.

    It's not all doom and gloom. That's just ignorance. Can't make the claim of coming from a land of whales to then entering Thailand and claim now all the FLs or girls are fat, ugly, expensive. That makes no sense otherwise this forum would be empty. There are a number of lookers out there. Personally, I don't like a Thai girls look but even I can look past that and scale a Thai girls face from the good, bad, and just OK. Everything is more spread out now. If you're still stuck on sitting at just the beer bars and having a nice honey with you like 10 years ago, then you haven't adapted and will be stuck on 10 years ago.

    Not saying it hasn't gotten worse. Agree that it's trending downward too. Price of the hotel & food are about the same as about 7 ish years ago but the price of the girls have gone up 2 to 5 times. A lot of that is self inflicted buy many mongers. Pretty much all from everywhere. But you can still find that nice 1500 to 2000 baht ST FL. It's really not horribly difficult. If you get out there early enough or just after the bars are closing, you have a great chance.

  13. #43634
    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock  [View Original Post]
    Ask them up front. They're hookers, not a prom date. When I foray with freelancers I pose the questions straight up: any kids? Any tattoos? Any plastic surgery? Usually you can see the latter, but still doesn't hurt to ask. If they have kids or big ugly tattoos, or claim they don't suck cock, I say thanks for your time and move on. You're paying for a service. Shop around.
    You're right, of course. I've had to become much more discerning and just deal with social awkwardness (after all, rejection is still rejection and feels bad from both sides, imo), but still not sure how to politely / discreetly figure out if she has anything up top or baby damage (one girl that had kids still had an amazing body, another had obvious baby damage, and even without babies some have pooches despite being very slim). The insistence on CBJ thing seems to be a more recent thing it seems to me, much more now than a year ago. Even then, part of me can't fault the girl for wanting to be safer as that's also good for me.

    That being said, what about what we should be expecting for prices? I playfully was able to negotiate down from 2500ST to 2400ST, but it was with a girl who I think was just starting (and not hardened / spoiled yet) and seemed to really like me for some reason. To the members who frequent Nana / Cowboy more, are the barfines variable by club or just up to the whim of the mama (within the range of 700-1000)? ST at gogos I thought was also 2500, but recently none would go for less than 3000, and several reports of 3000 as well. Though I got one to go for 2500 by asking for it up front to the waitress who would go negotiate for me.

  14. #43633
    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock  [View Original Post]
    Thanks. I can't reply to your PM because your inbox is full.
    Sorry about that. I've deleted some, so it should be ok now.

  15. #43632
    Quote Originally Posted by RickRock  [View Original Post]
    Here's what I said in the Chiang Mai forum. Applies here too.

    "I used to say the same sort of thing. Experience has soured me though. The problem is you get nothing out of sharing the information. But when you go back to the places you share, the service goes way down and the prices go up. This isn't a closed community of seasoned mongers anymore. There are a lot of unhinged guys reading this site who will destroy anything you put them onto. I hope no farang ever finds any of the good places in Chiang Mai to be honest. ".

    I've literally seen prices go up 400 percent a year or two after a good place in Vietnam was mentioned on this website. At the same time the attractive women left and the level of service bottomed out. It's fucking depressing. So I won't be posting any hidden gems for some time. They're easy enough to find with research. After all, I found them and I am no local. But you will do better if you speak and read the language or at the very least get some local male friends. It's amazing the difference when you leave the tourist areas, and this is true throughout Asia.

    Objectively, it is that way. And all signs say that is only going to get worse.

    There is absolutely no motivation for the lineups, services or staff to improve in any of the tourist places in Thailand. They have already found that they can be fat and ugly, refuse even a covered blowjob, and be rude and unwashed, and still make more in thirty minutes with a farang then they would in a month at a local factory.

    When you see how bad it is, look no further than your fellow Farang for the blame.
    Sad to admit, but this completely TRUE.

    The moment a "gem" gets publicized. The doomsday clock has started. And now it dies / changes for the worst sooner rather than later.

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