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  1. #40347
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    In all my years of mongering, I never saw a case where throwing more money at the same working girl (above her going rate) made the service better. As long as you're not severely underpaying or have a terrible attitude, girls who are typically nice and friendly will try to be nice and provide the GFE they typically do. Those with poor attitudes who are customarily being bitchy and delivering the bare minimum will only give you token crumbs of better service even if you pay them double. You can pay extra for her to hold your dick in her mouth longer, but not to give you a good BJ. And this is even more true with GFE. Even this small positive correlation is in doubt, since offering more than necessary signals to the girl that you're a push-over, and hookers are good at reading these signs and push you over they will.

    Sometimes, if you're throwing money around like there's no tomorrow (3 or 5 times the going rate), they'll try to keep it going, but it's usually just a notch better rather than genuinely great.
    Agreed. In fact, I think it is quite the opposite. The more money you throw at them, the more foolish they think you are, and they will know they can get away with providing less.

  2. #40346
    Quote Originally Posted by JayFung  [View Original Post]
    Let's be honest. Thailand and most of Asia was exploited by the West, one way or another, because of a disparity in military and economic power. Now that Asians themselves have enough wealth to prop up their own economy, isn't it a little hypocritical to complain about the fact that Westerners can't exploit them as much as before?
    Well, except for it is the Asian man that is now getting exploited by the local Asian females. And if you are worried about P4 P gals being exploited, then why are you on this forum?

  3. #40345
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    But it isn't as though that kind of info is particularly insightful or notably valuable in how one approaches the Bangkok/Thailand P4P scene overall.
    Ha ha. I received plenty of criticism on descriptions of how I interact with bargirls, and people described it as "the theory of mongering" which it was not really supposed to be. Each guy has their own way of trying to reduce the "mistakes". It has got to the point that it becomes very hard for me to convinced a girl will be good for me. LOL I certainly don't have all the answers on how to screen girls. I am preferring experienced girls these days. If I don't get the feeling the girl is both good looking and wanting me badly, I might just pass. LOL I exaggerate a bit.

    Reports on girls I have not tried, could be useful to me, if any turned out to be my spec. Very few stunners with great GFE ever got identified. Lack of sharing maybe? I always had to find the best lookers to my taste for myself. From my recollections, I always reported on the best lookers I tried before anyone else did, or I just found them independently, in the odd case. So I never expect to get a useful new girl tip.

  4. #40344

    Added few more pics.

    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyPaw  [View Original Post]
    Last night I met up with a girl that I previously hooked up with from Biergarten on Soi 7. The first time we met months ago, I was in the area and wanted to see the difference in girls from Thermae. It's mainly a westerner bar for Farangs with food served as well. I guess I didn't fit the profile the girls there wanted, so I kept getting rejected when I approached them. I guess to them, I was so unattractive and ugly. I was hoping that over paying 3000 baht for short time would make me seem more handsome, but it didn't work. No girls would smile at me or chat me up. I sat alone at the main bar trying to hold back my tears 😭 in my slanted eyes. God help me, a lone Asian wanderer, feeling out of place in a German bar, inside an Asian country..
    Forgot to mention she was into role play and sex wear during our sessions. I guess any helps to distract from her looks.
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  5. #40343
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    It would be nice to get some new valuable intel on new venues or new girls in same old venues, or old girl in new venue. That is probably the only thing of major value in the forum other than for the newbies. Also warnings about strange pricing and policies at certain venues. Warnings about "Coyote" girls and LBs.

    Yes sadly, I have not gained any regular girls at all, based on reports of others. Cannot think of even one. I probably did try the odd venue based on reports of others like first visits to Tulip, Snow White, Addict, 102, etc. The big problem is we all have different requirements. In the end, we have to go find girls for ourselves.

    I did find the forum slightly useful when it reported the new location one of my old favourite girls had emerged at. That type of intel is worthwhile. I did retry the odd bar in Nana based on reports of others, however always make my own assessment. Some bars others thought great, I thought were horrible. Just different taste. I especially did not like bars full of silicone coconuts.
    Yes, I would say the kind of info you mention there is very useful on the forum. And there is no push that I can see trying to curtail it. Just a gentle reminder that what triggered this latest discussion on the subject was whether or not certain insightful and IMO useful observations of the scene overall were worth citing as posts of distinction. We certainly ought to be reporting the things you cited above and appreciating them. But it isn't as though that kind of info is particularly insightful or notably valuable in how one approaches the Bangkok/Thailand P4P scene overall. Although I could see a truly epic bit if intel on many bars and clubs hitting that standard.

  6. #40342
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    So, there's a purpose to negative comments, and a more important one than describing one more venue or girl for the 1000th time. And virtually ALL Thailand venues have been discussed to death here. Frankly, I haven't discovered a new amazing venue worth visiting from field reports here in a long time.
    It would be nice to get some new valuable intel on new venues or new girls in same old venues, or old girl in new venue. That is probably the only thing of major value in the forum other than for the newbies. Also warnings about strange pricing and policies at certain venues. Warnings about "Coyote" girls and LBs.

    Yes sadly, I have not gained any regular girls at all, based on reports of others. Cannot think of even one. I probably did try the odd venue based on reports of others like first visits to Tulip, Snow White, Addict, 102, etc. The big problem is we all have different requirements. In the end, we have to go find girls for ourselves.

    I did find the forum slightly useful when it reported the new location one of my old favourite girls had emerged at. That type of intel is worthwhile. I did retry the odd bar in Nana based on reports of others, however always make my own assessment. Some bars others thought great, I thought were horrible. Just different taste. I especially did not like bars full of silicone coconuts.

  7. #40341
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    In all my years of mongering, I never saw a case where throwing more money at the same working girl (above her going rate) made the service better. As long as you're not severely underpaying or have a terrible attitude, girls who are typically nice and friendly will try to be nice and provide the GFE they typically do. Those with poor attitudes who are customarily being bitchy and delivering the bare minimum will only give you token crumbs of better service even if you pay them double. You can pay extra for her to hold your dick in her mouth longer, but not to give you a good BJ. And this is even more true with GFE. Even this small positive correlation is in doubt, since offering more than necessary signals to the girl that you're a push-over, and hookers are good at reading these signs and push you over they will.

    Sometimes, if you're throwing money around like there's no tomorrow (3 or 5 times the going rate), they'll try to keep it going, but it's usually just a notch better rather than genuinely great.
    I guess this is where the highly subjective definition of "GFE" comes into play again. I don't know exactly what Klassic meant by his term "extreme GFE". But if it is anything like my oft-used term "Real GFE", then we are talking about the BBFS kind of GFE or, in some cases BBBJ+CIM, perhaps even with a Swallow finish. Offering to pay more money to the same working girl above her going rate IF she will deliver those services can go a long way to making those things happen for me when otherwise my experience with the girl tells me it wouldn't. True, that doesn't mean throwing the extra money at her will improve the girl's attitude, cause her to become nicer, friendlier and so on as the term "GFE" is often used by others.

    As someone who will not experience a finish wearing a condom no matter how nice and friendly the girl is and won't agree to pay money to cum outside a woman's body (as in with a HJ, COB, whatever), I love it when the subject of that kind of Real GFE is raised during a brief negotiation and her reply is simply, "How much you pay me?", knowing full well she is merely looking to be paid an extra amount above her usual going rate to make that kind of GFE happen for me. We're generally not talking about huge multiples more money here. Usually, just an additional 500-1000 baht will be plenty extra, even with go-go girls. For those who will do it at all, that is.

    This might be a good place to mention that the term "negotiation" conjures up images of some cold-eyed stand-off between tough characters in an International Summit Meeting or barking prices and services back and forth like in an auction house. But that isn't even remotely what I am talking about with regard to a "negotiation" on services with a P4P girl. This is, after all, about sex and intimacy. There are ways of doing it calmly, respectfully, with a cute, fun, casual attitude that makes it more inviting for the girl to say yes instead of no in the first place. Keep that in mind when you are essentially "asking" the girl to be more intimate with you in bed than she might otherwise be with customers, which is really what the negotiation on P4P services is all about.

  8. #40340
    Quote Originally Posted by RacShack  [View Original Post]
    The sex is gone boys!
    Maybe for you and the way you do things. For me. It's great.

  9. #40339
    Quote Originally Posted by RacShack  [View Original Post]
    The sex is gone boys!
    Maybe for you, your techniques and way of doing things. For me, it's a beautiful thing.

  10. #40338
    Quote Originally Posted by UncleVolodya  [View Original Post]
    Yep, a big down side to Thermae is not knowing what is under those clothes.

    A couple of summers ago, my buddy Banana Boi hooked me up with a friend of one of his Thermae regulars. This girl is a knockout with her clothes on and usually only goes with Asians. The Japanese guys snap her up minutes after the place opens.

    Unfortunately the poor little thing has some of the worst baby damage I have ever seen. As pretty as her face is it did not make we want to repeat.
    You in Patts already? Your mailbox is full Uncle.

  11. #40337
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    Sometimes, if you're throwing money around like there's no tomorrow (3 or 5 times the going rate), they'll try to keep it going, but it's usually just a notch better rather than genuinely great.
    Actually they consider punters who throw around money like that chumps who do not know the local prices. It can also be seen as showing off and / or a negative judgement (causing loss of face) on their everyday business practice.

    SL.

  12. #40336
    Quote Originally Posted by Admin2  [View Original Post]
    You used to be able to get amazing pussy in Buenos Aires 10 years ago for 50 bucks for a couple hours but now it's 150-200 for an hour in the clubs.
    That sucks. I'm going to BA in a couple of months. Very sad to hear that.

  13. #40335
    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    In all my years of mongering, I never saw a case where throwing more money at the same working girl (above her going rate) made the service better.
    I think it depends on the circumstances and the girls perception of the going rate for the service they are providing relative to the price you are paying. It doesn't work with go-go or massage girls since those are basically pretty much set rate places and the girls are hard core anyway. For some reason, these girls don't appreciate getting more money than the going rate. I am guessing it happens to them often so they are spoiled. (It also does not work for girls pulled from Thermae either, they are hard core like the go-go girls.) If you go to a cheap place for 1000 baht, it won't likely be any better or worse service than a more expensive place for 5000 baht. The difference for that will likely be the girl will have whiter skin at the place for 5000 baht.

    However, I think it's a different case when it comes to free lance girls from discos. I actually did some research on this with some buddies with free lancers where we take some girls for normal market price and others for more than market price. We found that if we make it clear that we know the normal market rate, but promise a free lance girl more than the normal market rate provided she really makes us happy, we get off the charts service almost without fail. I can't say our sample size was huge because we didn't want to overpay often, but in the times we did do it, that was the finding for all of us.

  14. #40334

    Nothing here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crocodilexp  [View Original Post]
    Good question. For Thailand expats or experienced mongers, exchanging negative observations matters. It provides closure, and reassurance that it's not me going sour while the scene remained more or less the same, but that changes really are significant. Then, after adjusting expectations and accepting the scene changed, maybe some of us will still be able have a few last gasps of fun. If any of us old timers goes in expecting to find the scene as it used to be (there are optimists among us), they're in for a very bad time.

    So, there's a purpose to negative comments, and a more important one than describing one more venue or girl for the 1000th time. And virtually ALL Thailand venues have been discussed to death here. Frankly, I haven't discovered a new amazing venue worth visiting from field reports here in a long time.wow weather who wins if it good or not ,, it's not good , 5 days here nothing worth talking about , and pocket full of money ,,, 3 different times bill padded (in between meeeting the girl of m dreams ) just rag bars up and down soi 4 ,, "the sex is gone boys ,", my only delima is I planed on 7 weeks here ,,, I'm looking to get out soon !!! Really really bad guys ,please pm me if any ideas where to go , have to be back here feb 5 to catch flight !! Total disappointment,, and I've really tried to go with the flow ( even considered nor saying nothing having bill padded but just can't bring myself to that )) met more then one person bragging about Their a reg at mixx and Russians will go with them for 5,000 b.

    I understand this is all irrelevant to a relative newbie or a casual tourist, but they're not the only audience here.
    The sex is gone boys!

  15. #40333
    Quote Originally Posted by *****man  [View Original Post]
    The point is though what do you really hope to achieve by complaining about how bad things are now compared to the past?
    Good question. For Thailand expats or experienced mongers, exchanging negative observations matters. It provides closure, and reassurance that it's not me going sour while the scene remained more or less the same, but that changes really are significant. Then, after adjusting expectations and accepting the scene changed, maybe some of us will still be able have a few last gasps of fun. If any of us old timers goes in expecting to find the scene as it used to be (there are optimists among us), they're in for a very bad time.

    So, there's a purpose to negative comments, and a more important one than describing one more venue or girl for the 1000th time. And virtually ALL Thailand venues have been discussed to death here. Frankly, I haven't discovered a new amazing venue worth visiting from field reports here in a long time.

    I understand this is all irrelevant to a relative newbie or a casual tourist, but they're not the only audience here.

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