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[WindAngel]

How legit are the telegram services that claim to deliver girls to your hotel? Seems too good to be true. Also on the pricier side of things, so I just want to know if the quality is there before jumping in. Anyone have any recs if they are good?

The quality varies. I have used them. Ask them if you can reject the girl delivered. Usually you can as many are delivered in a van or taxi that there are more girls in the same car. You probably will need to tip the rejection. They probably will ask your room number to call you to verify, or some other methods. Don't freak out like before.

If I were living in your area, I would stick with JKF. You just need to figure out how to navigate it. Sooner or later, after the learning curve, you will find a reliable provider that you can count on.

[Number3344]

How legit are the telegram services that claim to deliver girls to your hotel? Seems too good to be true. Also on the pricier side of things, so I just want to know if the quality is there before jumping in. Anyone have any recs if they are good?

[AbcGators]

You're totally correct. At this point I'm just curious if others have encountered this before and if they know what sort of scam this is. Since this person won't even accept me sending them cash, is it something more nefarious? What's the deal?

If I were you I'd play it off like the number and photo aren't real. You just pulled it off the internet or something.

[WindAngel]

So I tried adding someone off JK Forum on Line. In Hsinchu I messaged her and she kept giving some weird feeling. She asked me to go to an hotel / apartment complex. I asked if she'd meet me in public but she kept being super strange and sort of lying about meeting in public. She sends me photos of the the hallway she lives in with directions to her door. Super weird vibes, but I was kind of going along with it until she told me to get a key out of her mailbox and go through this apartment complex....

What you are describing is normal procedure. You overthink it. Your reaction made her think you weren't real customer.

[Number3344]

But, the way I understand it, and please correct me if I misinterpreted, she / he "threatened" to post your photo, correct? And, posting your photo is not with your permission, nor your desire.

If in any way anyone uses force, or a threat, their intentions and personality are seriously tainted quite negatively and can't be trusted any further.

There are plenty more reputable "take it, or leave it" encounters with no negative aspects with respect to control tactics and threats.

You're totally correct. At this point I'm just curious if others have encountered this before and if they know what sort of scam this is. Since this person won't even accept me sending them cash, is it something more nefarious? What's the deal?

[Amazake]

The strange thing is they don't want me to pay. I offered money to see what their deal is, but they're insisting on meeting because "they don't take money without proving service. " I'm trying to gauge what the scam now since they don't seem to want money sent to them.

But, the way I understand it, and please correct me if I misinterpreted, she / he "threatened" to post your photo, correct? And, posting your photo is not with your permission, nor your desire.

If in any way anyone uses force, or a threat, their intentions and personality are seriously tainted quite negatively and can't be trusted any further.

There are plenty more reputable "take it, or leave it" encounters with no negative aspects with respect to control tactics and threats.

[Number3344]

Once a bad act shows their true colors, back off completely. Refuse any further communication. The connection will die as they find someone else more hopeful to scam. Never pay a scammer. Once they sense your vulnerability, by you paying, they will consider you a viable option in the future. A clean break is necessary. Never try to assuage them or to appeal to their sense of integrity. They have no scruples.

The strange thing is they don't want me to pay. I offered money to see what their deal is, but they're insisting on meeting because "they don't take money without proving service. " I'm trying to gauge what the scam now since they don't seem to want money sent to them.

[Amazake]

So I tried adding someone off JK Forum on Line. In Hsinchu I messaged her and she kept giving some weird feeling. She asked me to go to an hotel / apartment complex. I asked if she'd meet me in public but she kept being super strange and sort of lying about meeting in public. She sends me photos of the the hallway she lives in with directions to her door. Super weird vibes, but I was kind of going along with it until she told me to get a key out of her mailbox and go through this apartment complex. At this point I tell her no way, this feels to shady (she wouldn't send good verification photos.) I messed up big time buy using my Line with my face and name. She said she'd post my photo on FB. The really strange part is she is demanding that I come have a session with her. At this point, I offered her like 1000 NTD to not do it, but she keeps pushing for us to actually meet. It is all so fishy. Anyone know what the deal is here?

Once a bad act shows their true colors, back off completely. Refuse any further communication. The connection will die as they find someone else more hopeful to scam. Never pay a scammer. Once they sense your vulnerability, by you paying, they will consider you a viable option in the future. A clean break is necessary. Never try to assuage them or to appeal to their sense of integrity. They have no scruples.

[Number3344]

So I tried adding someone off JK Forum on Line. In Hsinchu I messaged her and she kept giving some weird feeling. She asked me to go to an hotel / apartment complex. I asked if she'd meet me in public but she kept being super strange and sort of lying about meeting in public. She sends me photos of the the hallway she lives in with directions to her door. Super weird vibes, but I was kind of going along with it until she told me to get a key out of her mailbox and go through this apartment complex. At this point I tell her no way, this feels to shady (she wouldn't send good verification photos.) I messed up big time buy using my Line with my face and name. She said she'd post my photo on FB. The really strange part is she is demanding that I come have a session with her. At this point, I offered her like 1000 NTD to not do it, but she keeps pushing for us to actually meet. It is all so fishy. Anyone know what the deal is here?

[Amazake]

Thanks for the tips. I ended up staying in Taoyuan near the train station. The short version: didn't find much, but average looks for a good price. Conversely in Taipei I got not young, but good looking for what was likely far too much money. I blame that partly on bad currency conversion in my head and partly going along with when I felt like I was being scammed. Long version follows.

I looked for Beauty Alley in Taoyuan near the temple but I ended up going the wrong way and finding a few massage places that were either closed or not appealing. It was after midnight so I think most places were already closed. Walked around a bit and on a more main street I found one place with an attractive looking lady in a nice dress lounging on a couch, she saw me stop and look in and got up and ran to the door. Asked her how much and she said 1300. I assumed this was just for the massage but it turned out to include the HJ. She was a little on the chubby side, but allowed full roaming, so I wonder if more might have been on offer. She was disappointed I didn't have Line on my phone, she wanted me to add her so I could teach her english, though her english wasn't too bad already.

The next day I went into Taipei and went to Longshan. Wandered around a little bit and a block away from the night market I saw a very attractive likely-40's spinner in a nice dress. Asked her how much and she said 1000. She didn't speak much english so I wasn't sure if this was just for a massage as it sounded too cheap. She took me into a building hallway with some restaurants, and went into a tiny little room with a small couch in it and a sliding door separating it from the hallway. Then the shakedown began. She stepped out and an old lady came by and offered me a hot towel. Then asked for a tip. My girl game back and said to give her 300 NTD. I did. Then she asks me for 2000 more for HJ. I agree. She starts giving me a little bit of a shoulder massage, then starts rubbing my crotch and asks what I want. I say FS and we agree on 5000 total and she moves the table to block the door. We play around a little bit for a minute or two, then when I try to make a move she stops me and says "not here" and points up. Then she asks me for 2000 more for the room. I give it to her, she takes the money, comes back after a minute and takes me upstairs to an apartment. She gives me a quick shower then we move to the bed. She takes her clothes off and doesn't look quite as good out of the dress as she did in it, but still not bad. She proceeds to fake giving me a BJ using her hand at which point I think I'm getting scammed. After a minute or two of this, she puts on a condom and we proceed to real FS. No scam after all, except on price. Afterwards she complements me on my size and asks if I want to go again. I said no, afraid she would ask for more money. Not that I had the energy after getting busy in an un-airconditioned apartment in 30 C+ weather. She told me she was from Taiwan and she spoke Mandarin with a Taiwanese accent so it may have been true. She gave me her WeChat and I paid her the agreed amount, and she asked me for another 1000 for a tip which I gave her since I was headed for the airport next and didn't need cash anymore. Total damage 9000. Probably won't contact her again as I'm sure I can do better for the money. On the way out she took me out an alley which was full of girls waiting by doorways, some of whom were much younger and arguably more attractive. Guess I know where to go next time.

I am assuming that the 9000 was spent in and around the Huaxi tea rooms? And not the Kangding / Xichang area?

Unfortunately, because of your first-time status, they were able to run their racket. In my first outings in the Huaxi tea rooms, I was targeted and relieved of my cash also.

But, for next time, in either the location, the prettiest young girl never exceeds 2000. And, Huaxi can be had oftentimes for 1 K, and the the happy average for almost everyone is 1500.

But, how were you to know? And, you did better in the Taoyuan area by the temple. There, also 2 K is tops. Taiwan street action is between 1000 to 2000, because of the brevity of the affair.

Cheers to you, you ventured into a new territory, felt your way around, and hopefully you'll be back, being a seasoned veteran, maneuvering around more easily, and get the fair going rate.

Many Blessings, and thank you for your contribution.

[Bob Jr Dobbs]

Your chances during the day in Longshan are possibly better than at night, between the Kangding area and the Huaxi Market. You will do just fine.

An alternative is The Beauty Alley area in Taoyuan. But, it has seen better days. But, maybe closer to the airport. It is close to the Taoyuan train station.

Thanks for the tips. I ended up staying in Taoyuan near the train station. The short version: didn't find much, but average looks for a good price. Conversely in Taipei I got not young, but good looking for what was likely far too much money. I blame that partly on bad currency conversion in my head and partly going along with when I felt like I was being scammed. Long version follows.

I looked for Beauty Alley in Taoyuan near the temple but I ended up going the wrong way and finding a few massage places that were either closed or not appealing. It was after midnight so I think most places were already closed. Walked around a bit and on a more main street I found one place with an attractive looking lady in a nice dress lounging on a couch, she saw me stop and look in and got up and ran to the door. Asked her how much and she said 1300. I assumed this was just for the massage but it turned out to include the HJ. She was a little on the chubby side, but allowed full roaming, so I wonder if more might have been on offer. She was disappointed I didn't have Line on my phone, she wanted me to add her so I could teach her english, though her english wasn't too bad already.

The next day I went into Taipei and went to Longshan. Wandered around a little bit and a block away from the night market I saw a very attractive likely-40's spinner in a nice dress. Asked her how much and she said 1000. She didn't speak much english so I wasn't sure if this was just for a massage as it sounded too cheap. She took me into a building hallway with some restaurants, and went into a tiny little room with a small couch in it and a sliding door separating it from the hallway. Then the shakedown began. She stepped out and an old lady came by and offered me a hot towel. Then asked for a tip. My girl game back and said to give her 300 NTD. I did. Then she asks me for 2000 more for HJ. I agree. She starts giving me a little bit of a shoulder massage, then starts rubbing my crotch and asks what I want. I say FS and we agree on 5000 total and she moves the table to block the door. We play around a little bit for a minute or two, then when I try to make a move she stops me and says "not here" and points up. Then she asks me for 2000 more for the room. I give it to her, she takes the money, comes back after a minute and takes me upstairs to an apartment. She gives me a quick shower then we move to the bed. She takes her clothes off and doesn't look quite as good out of the dress as she did in it, but still not bad. She proceeds to fake giving me a BJ using her hand at which point I think I'm getting scammed. After a minute or two of this, she puts on a condom and we proceed to real FS. No scam after all, except on price. Afterwards she complements me on my size and asks if I want to go again. I said no, afraid she would ask for more money. Not that I had the energy after getting busy in an un-airconditioned apartment in 30 C+ weather. She told me she was from Taiwan and she spoke Mandarin with a Taiwanese accent so it may have been true. She gave me her WeChat and I paid her the agreed amount, and she asked me for another 1000 for a tip which I gave her since I was headed for the airport next and didn't need cash anymore. Total damage 9000. Probably won't contact her again as I'm sure I can do better for the money. On the way out she took me out an alley which was full of girls waiting by doorways, some of whom were much younger and arguably more attractive. Guess I know where to go next time.

[Amazake]

I arrive too late to take the train to Taipei so I wonder if I'm better off staying near the airport and taking a taxi into Taoyuan. How are my chances of finding some fun there late at night as a non-Mandarin speaker? Should I just bite the bullet and take a taxi to Longshan?

I will have some time before my flight the next afternoon but I get the impression my options are much more limited during the day? I only have one night layover so I want to maximize my chances of a good encounter. Would appreciate any suggestions.

Your chances during the day in Longshan are possibly better than at night, between the Kangding area and the Huaxi Market. You will do just fine.

An alternative is The Beauty Alley area in Taoyuan. But, it has seen better days. But, maybe closer to the airport. It is close to the Taoyuan train station.

[Bob Jr Dobbs]

I arrive too late to take the train to Taipei so I wonder if I'm better off staying near the airport and taking a taxi into Taoyuan. How are my chances of finding some fun there late at night as a non-Mandarin speaker? Should I just bite the bullet and take a taxi to Longshan?

I will have some time before my flight the next afternoon but I get the impression my options are much more limited during the day? I only have one night layover so I want to maximize my chances of a good encounter. Would appreciate any suggestions.

[SecondBlock]

When going to Taoyuan or Keelung, I never bike the entire distance from Taipei. I take the "very cheap & very efficient" railway service. In fact, I buy the new monthly $1200 NT T-Pass. You get unlimited bus and MRT rides and it now extends to Taoyuan and Keelung for no extra charge. You get 30 minutes YouBike free within Taipei and in Taoyuan, you get up to an hour of bike usage.

When I am in certain mongering areas that cover the distance of many streets and enclaves, I ride a bike to explore my options and do surveillance. A couple of times, I parked my bike right in front of the "spa," for want of a better word, did my "thing" and left.

Taoyuan, I find to be the least predictable, and service and time varies vastly from girl to girl. But, I still like to go for the sake of variety.

I met that nasty girl in Taoyuan against my better judgement. Well, the head in my pants took control. She was young and cute, but she had a vicious, hateful disdain-for-mankind snarl on her face. I thought I could turn her around, but I only fueled her anger, as she unleashed her bottled up rage. She had cool tattoos and was a gang girl. I usually never meet up with her type.

But, that was a rare incident. I should have known. I usually stay loose and look at faces and try and intuit their personalities for a good match with myself. That night it was late and I was in a hurry, and wanted to just grab something quick and scoot, because I had an appointment thereafter. A recipe for disaster.

Mostly always when I stay calm in choosing a date do I find satisfaction in Taiwan. Taiwan is not Dodge City. They carry on this profession with a certain level of integrity afforded any other profession.

So, keep an open and positive state of mind in proceeding forward in your search for companionship.

""she had a vicious, hateful disdain-for-mankind snarl on her face".

Hahahahhahah I can't stop laughing. I could read your content all day, even buy your book.

Hope the price the boss quotes me includes "full services" not just massage. I look forward to explore this new amazing country.

[Amazake]

""She barely started the massage, and I wanted to pay her half and just leave. ".

This is the situation I want to avoid happening: getting a bad massage instead of "boom boom" (hence losing money and left disappointed).

Based on your accounts most providers keep their words so I will go with that, hoping to get what I need and not getting scammed. LOL.

*Hope also the road from Taipei to this port town is decent as I will be driving a bike (like you do, If I am not mistaken)*.

When going to Taoyuan or Keelung, I never bike the entire distance from Taipei. I take the "very cheap & very efficient" railway service. In fact, I buy the new monthly $1200 NT T-Pass. You get unlimited bus and MRT rides and it now extends to Taoyuan and Keelung for no extra charge. You get 30 minutes YouBike free within Taipei and in Taoyuan, you get up to an hour of bike usage.

When I am in certain mongering areas that cover the distance of many streets and enclaves, I ride a bike to explore my options and do surveillance. A couple of times, I parked my bike right in front of the "spa," for want of a better word, did my "thing" and left.

Taoyuan, I find to be the least predictable, and service and time varies vastly from girl to girl. But, I still like to go for the sake of variety.

I met that nasty girl in Taoyuan against my better judgement. Well, the head in my pants took control. She was young and cute, but she had a vicious, hateful disdain-for-mankind snarl on her face. I thought I could turn her around, but I only fueled her anger, as she unleashed her bottled up rage. She had cool tattoos and was a gang girl. I usually never meet up with her type.

But, that was a rare incident. I should have known. I usually stay loose and look at faces and try and intuit their personalities for a good match with myself. That night it was late and I was in a hurry, and wanted to just grab something quick and scoot, because I had an appointment thereafter. A recipe for disaster.

Mostly always when I stay calm in choosing a date do I find satisfaction in Taiwan. Taiwan is not Dodge City. They carry on this profession with a certain level of integrity afforded any other profession.

So, keep an open and positive state of mind in proceeding forward in your search for companionship.