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  1. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom 33  [View Original Post]
    Gringos never were a particular target. Of course they do try to get over on us from time to time.

    The limpieza social (social cleaning) has targeted prostitutes. But that is nothing new.
    2010 limpeaza was not a big deal and this year there was not one at all. No gringos were maimed or killed. There is no reason to fear this. Just stay out of bad areas, especially at night and you will be fine. If you are still worried have a local with you.

  2. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Kodyhead
    This may all be true, but the impression I got from reading this thread, was that they were killing gringos, and girls servicing Gringos. However, I was talkng to some people from Colombia, and I was discussing the heavy security at the airport coming back, which actually made me feel more comfortable that The plane wasn't going to be blown up or flown into a building somewhere, had to do with the article you shared.
    Gringos never were a particular target. Of course they do try to get over on us from time to time.

    The limpieza social(social cleaning) has targeted prostitutes. But that is nothing new.

  3. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom 33
    I am glad that you had a good time. However, President Uribe apparently does not share your opinions:

    You can find many articles similar to this in English in http://colombiareports.com/.

    We have some very serious problems these days in Medellín.
    This may all be true, but the impression I got from reading this thread, was that they were killing gringos, and girls servicing Gringos. However, I was talkng to some people from Colombia, and I was discussing the heavy security at the airport coming back, which actually made me feel more comfortable that The plane wasn't going to be blown up or flown into a building somewhere, had to do with the article you shared.

  4. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Kodyhead
    I got back, and this thread was blown way out of proportion, as of May 2009.

    I read numerous reports on this site, got all excited about Medellin, bought tickets, reservation at El Castillo, and came close to canceling the trip after reading this thread. I am glad I didn't.
    I am glad that you had a good time. However, President Uribe apparently does not share your opinions:

    Colombia's National Police Commissioner Oscar Naranja returned to Medellin Tuesday to lead the fight against the criminal gangs of drug traffickers, whose dispute over the control of illegal businesses has unleashed an increase in violent deaths in the country's second largest city.

    The anarchy of the largest criminal gangs in the department Antioquia aroused after the capture of crime bosses 'Don Mario' and 'Douglas, President Uribe said Monday before announcing he was sending Naranjo to Medellin for the second time. Medellín saw a sharp increase in violence also before the arrest of these drug lords.

    After reviewing the situation of violence in Medellin with the military and police commanders, Uribe stressed that the authorities can not reconcile with those criminal gangs, or deal with appeasement, but demand all determination to solve this problem.

    Last weekend at least five people were assassinated in the capital of Antioquia: two while driving in their car and three others in an elevator in the South of Medellín.

    It is the second time this year Naranjo is dispatched to Medellin, where violence continued despite his earlier visit and severe security measures."

    May, 2009
    You can find many articles similar to this in English in http://colombiareports.com/.

    We have some very serious problems these days in Medellín.

  5. #52

    Update THIS THREAD IS A WASTE OF TIME!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kodyhead
    Hi guys,

    I am going to Medellin in a few weeks, has there been any update about this threat?

    Or have they killed everyone in this thread?
    I got back, and this thread was blown way out of proportion, as of May 2009.

    I read numerous reports on this site, got all excited about Medellin, bought tickets, reservation at El Castillo, and came close to canceling the trip after reading this thread. I am glad I didn't.

  6. #51
    I don't have a dog in this discussion, but last night the old woman said she heard Medellin was putting a 1000 new police on the street.

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  7. #50

    I live there Tom, I should Know !

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom 33
    Yes, I have my doubts as do most Paisas. You ought to try your fluent Spanish and actually speak to the people who live here.

    Vigilantism is alive and well in Colombia - unfortunately.

    Do you even know who controls la Mayorista? Hint: It isn't the police.
    Tom,

    The police allows whoever they want to control, La Mayorista or any place where drugs are tolerated! I'm there all the time Tom, where are you? Hidden and tucked away in El Poblado? Of course the Police is not going to deal the drugs themselves! Wherever in Medellin there is a tolerence for drugs in small amounts, the police allows some of these "underworld elements" to control the trade! What else are they going to do, sell it themselves? The police is there to control the situation and prevent "violent" crimes!

    I know all the people in control of La Mayorista (the lower escalon), they run away like scared rats everytime the police decides to raid them, and if the police is in a good mood, they might allow them to pay a $500, 000cop fee to keep on working! If their in a bad mood or hear to many complaints regarding these folks, they arrest them! The police is there to protect the people and control the situation! It's a tolerance area for prostitution and small amounts of drugs!

    Like El Periodista in El Centro where they actually sell "marihuana joints" openly! You see all the "preppy kids" there smoking their joints! Again, the police is there to protect and control the situation, not to sell drugs, hence, somebody else has to do it and it's not going to be your "local school Teacher"! In any of these areas, if the local dealer starts to get out of hand, they dissappear, like the last one in La Mayorista "El Raton" ("the rat", thus nicked named because he looked like a "rat"), and somebody nicer, attracting less attention to himself, is put in his place!

    Does that answer your question Tom? Regarding if I know whose in charge of La Mayorista! Do you think I can be there 2-3 times a week for a year and not know! I don't associate with them, but I know who they are!

    Frank Casio!

  8. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Tom 33

    ... Do you even know who controls la Mayorista? Hint: It isn't the police.
    Funny you mention that.

    Last time I was at the Mayorista, I saw a chica that I know from there sobbing.
    She's the little but large chest morena that Col Bog loved so.

    Anyway, she had just been banned from the Mayorista by "los muchachos" for fighting with another chica.

    She said she would be harmed if she came back "sin permiso" (permission).

  9. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Casio
    Did anyone really think Colombia´s Military Police could not protect its citizens from a handfull of frustrated "Vigilantes" ?

    Frank Casio !
    Yes, I have my doubts as do most Paisas. You ought to try your fluent Spanish and actually speak to the people who live here.

    Vigilantism is alive and well in Colombia - unfortunately.

    Do you even know who controls la Mayorista? Hint: It isn't the police.

  10. #47

    El Colombiano-"Security defeats Fear in the Streets"

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Casio
    It was in Medellin that Uribe and his Military Police first destroyed the Escobar Cartel. He uses the Military as Police in the whole country to fight even the all powerful FARC which used to dominate all the highways, back when nobody could leave the cities without putting themselves in danger! This was less than 8-10 years ago! That's why we are all here now, because the Military Police protects the whole country!

    The same Military police that patrols all the highways and byways exiting the cities in Colombia, is the same Military police that patrols the streets in Medellin, keeping them safe! They're all over El Centro and La Mayorista, and they are not corrupt like in Costa Rica and Brazil where Americans are afraid of them! Often they go after the cocaine dealers to arrest them in front of everybody, never consumers, since there is a degree of tolerance towards consumption of Cocaine and Marihuana in small quantities ! They shake down the "traffickers", and unfortunately sometimes they do accept a little bribe here and there, they're not perfect, but they keep them on their toes! Not only don't they harrass the normal citizen, but protect them and are quick to response to any act of violence! Colombia's Military often moves their police force around, specially when they suspect that they're getting to "cozy" with the local drug dealers! They just re-shuffle them so they lose all of their connections, very smart!

    Colombian police are taught to "serve and protect", from the Chief In Command, President Uribe, who, by the way, Colombians want to re-elect to a 3rd term, but unlike Chavez, Uribe, believes and respects "democracy"! The Military Police here is praised and encouraged to "Protect and Serve", and they take pride in doing this! They're hawks at protecting the subway system, I've been turn away at least once and questioned another time for looking a little "too tipsy"! They just told me to hop on a bus or a taxi where less restrictions apply! They were nice enough to direct me to the bus stop for Envigado from El Centro! This was at 4AM in the morning when the subway re-opens! I was being a "typical Paisa" and was trying to safe on the "Taxi Fare"!

    This "Pride" to "Protect and Serve" comes straight from "The Top", from the man who destroyed the Cartels and saved and restored Colombia, Presidente Uribe! With a little help from good old USA (4 billion US$ given to President Uribe by the last administration to fight "terrorrism", and protect our "american's asses" down here), for which I'm thankfull for!

    On a lighter note, my first house in El Trianon, Envigado was very closed to a house owned by Escobar's Mom! Escobar is now burried in Itagui, near La Mayorista and The International Club (Sriptease Bar)! When Escobar's entire Cartel was destroyed, many of the little shops in Envigado which where used to launder money for Escobar, found themselves with a business and cash that nobody ever claimed!

    The cartel was wiped off the face of the Earth, and apparently the police didn't have enough records to know which businesses where legite, hence, a few locals, quite a few, found themselves set up for life! So in Envigado, a very quiet community, no prostitution, Zona Rosa "La Bota Del Dia", like Parque Lleras, you will never Know which shop owner once laundered for Escobar ! Many people did that "back in the days" (a little Lancaster,PA slang) !

    Frank Casio!

    EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here for more information.
    Hey Guys,

    Sunday News "Head Lines" from El Colombiano, "SECURITY DEFEATS FEAR IN THE STREETS"- fears from the Social Cleansing Pamphlet ! This has been my whole point (read above) !

    Point Made ! This government´s security defeated a 20,000 strong FARC and relegated it to the Jungles and Venezuela ! Did anyone really think Colombia´s Military Police could not protect its citizens from a handfull of frustrated "Vigilantes" ?

    Frank Casio !

  11. #46
    Things have certainly changed in the last couple of weeks!!

    Many of the places that serve the late-night crowd have been empty.

    There are military police everywhere.

    It is great that they are not allowing two guys on a motorcycle anymore.

    Barrio Castilla last night had lots of people, but about a half as much as usual.

    Buenas Aires two nights in a row, hardly even a street crowd.

    Today, women´s day there were lots more people out and about.

    Two nights ago, in barrio San Javier we were there when the curfew cops came and picked up one of the locals just for walking on the street.

    After that time, we were the ONLY people on the street when we went looking for a taxi.

    It is always good to be mindfull of the ever present danger that exists in any city but even more so in a city that once was one of the most violent cities ever.

    Always be safe and consider your surroundings.

  12. #45
    This is a page from "El Colombiano" translated.

    The fear spread leaflets in doubtful

    The authorities and the Ombudsman to dismiss a real threat behind the intimidating and demanding texts not playing. In addition, security was strengthened in Medellín.

    Juan Carlos Monroy Giraldo.- Medellin

    Published on March 8, 2009

    A pamphlet containing threats flowing from hand to hand and fear on the Internet these days to Medellin. The Government and local authorities give little credibility, but sowed fear andalusia anonymous message spread quickly and find fertile ground in the increase in homicides and gang presence.

    With the threat of "time to social cleansing" the pamphlet began circulating in late February in downtown and neighborhoods such as Santo Domingo Savio, Castilla, Manrique and Moravia, among many others.

    The pamphlet, written in vulgar terms and without attribution to any illegal group, the initiates against prostitutes, drug addicts, thieves and retailers of hallucinogenic drugs, who blame the increase in crime, drug addiction and even infection of AIDS. It also threatens young people to "patch in the corners drugs" and said 10 pm as the deadline for people in their homes and are "not innocent fall. "

    The pamphlet has already begun to disturb the peace of communities, as Maria notes, a resident of La Esperanza, in the northeast of Medellin. "This wheel came and people started copying. If you fear generated over the last few days and is lonely night. My husband did not leave the weekend to take some beers and usually suffer and parents with their children not to go to street until late. "

    However, the woman said that people in the industry, who lived in the flesh the harshest years of the conflict, have doubts about the authenticity of the pamphlet and its threats. "Illegal groups not well served, with anonymous, but came and threatened on behalf of the militias and paramilitary groups. "

    The unease generated by the anonymous leaflet is also perceived in Castile, Robledo and Santo Domingo. Las Margaritas in Robledo, a young man said, there are combos that intimidate and extort. "And now with the pamphlets, people lock themselves up early. "

    In Santo Domingo, or the Popular Granizal, many residents began to leave the street after 10 pm. "People do not leave with so much tranquility and bars and close early. But in recent days security was stepped up, " said a community leader.

    Although these and other sectors of the city no one realizes the source and authors of the threats, murders that have been submitted and the presence of combos crime they face in neighborhoods such as Santo Domingo, is the setting for which revived fears.

    "There is fear because they have killed many people and there was shooting between combos. The worst thing is that people can not move from one neighborhood as Nuevo Horizonte Granizal to Santo Domingo or the threat of combos. And now these pamphlets troublemaker more fear, "says a young industry.

    Because of this climate of tension last Friday the residents of the commune 1 staged a March to protest against violence. In the last two weeks will strengthen security.

    But there are also people and leaders who are asking the community not to believe in threats that seek to create anxiety. "We can not let ourselves be intimidated with the first paper to appear anonymous and that spreads like a rumor, " says Jorge de la Cruz, a resident of Santo Domingo.

    Demobilized contacted by this newspaper also dismissed. "The guerrillas and the self-imposed curfews when we attribute it to show presence. This is just to generate fear, " said a demobilized from the AUC s.

    Campaign of fear unfounded

    The authorities in Medellin, the pamphlet lacks credibility, so they call on citizens not to leave anonymous messages to terrorize any obscure.

    "It has merit. Was investigated and the conclusion is circulated on a massive scale by curious citizens. Such pamphlets have already been seen here and in other cities to generate fear and misinformation. So we asked the community not to reproduce it only creates an unfounded fear, "the secretary of government of Medellín, María Jesús Ramírez.

    Indeed, the same pamphlet and circulated in the municipalities of Itagui, Bello, Andes and Urabá by the Internet.

    Police and the Ombudsman also dismissed Medellin a real threat to these texts (see views).

    One particular voice that adds to the appeal so as not to spread fear is that of Colonel (r) Ricardo Manuel Salgado, former director of the SIJIN of Police and now a professor of Criminal Law and the University of Medellin.

    "In his language development and demonstrates that seeks to intimidate, overnight cleaning areas where drug addicts, prostitutes and common criminals, people who are I'll in any sector of the population, " said Salgado.

    As background, the authors recall a similar pamphlet that circulated last year in Santa Lucia, on behalf of the Black Eagles. This was an attempt to end several people uncomfortable to end the course and the noise of young people late at night.

  13. #44
    I believe that some those "fears" a reasonable. First of all, Medellin does not seem too dangerous to me, compared to some other places I've been(in Eastern Europe). But one Colombian friend has given me a number of warnings, which I think I underestimated, but now they kinda correspond to what some people are writing here. For example he was afraid to take Metro-cable to the last stations, also walk in the Centro at night, and go to some parties which could be attended by "dangerous" people pretending to be somebody else. Some of these may sound crazy, but it is probably a good idea to listen to locals sometime. Also a taxi driver was looking at us like we were crazy going to el Centro at night, and he told me to take great care there.

    Also it looks like here some people are trying to develop this idea that every colombian girl is an innocent angel, nice person, beautiful, etc.. Just because she is colombian or paisa, or whatever. I believe this is not true. Of course the majority are suposedely better than the majority of AW, but there are some really nasty girls. Some can be violent if for some reason they become upset with something. While most of the girls I've met were very nice, I've met one who turned out to be really greedy and violent while pretending and acting a good one when she was sober. I also saw that she receives dozens emails from gringos everyday, and she does not give a shit about them. She just laughs at their "love" letters and picks the most "promising" ones. She showed me some emails, were I could see that gringos are seriously are in love with her.. Later I learned my lesson about her hard way when she got drunk and showed her real face. If you feel something is wrong with her at the beginning(for example, she's too late for your meeting or she's trying to postpone sex telling some BS) walk away ASAP. They can be good actors and liars. Also if you've met her as a working girl, don't assume she does not expect money if she hangs out with you as a GF. It's better to ask her in advance if you're gonna pay her or not and how much. And if you do not know her well, I would not invite her to my place. But it's my opinion only. Cuidate mucho.

    I also would guess that most likely Colombians would laugh at us if they read what most people write here. Because, when I read the thread about the country I'm originally from, I'm surprised with how much stupid ideas people come up with and what they think about girls and people in general, even those who consider themselves my country "professionals". So I would assume that in general we have no idea what we are talking about here, unless here are some real Colombians.

  14. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by UrbanWildlife
    Saturday morning,

    Just a coincidence but it does relate somewhat to what we have been trying to tell this guy. Early this morning I received an email telling me a girl I had come to know really well from My Space, and whom I eventually met in Cali was killed on Tuesday. Very sad indeed. Yes we have violence everywhere in the world, but in Colombia it is much more rampant. Below is the content from the email.

    "I am sorry to inform you all that Jenny is no longer with us. She got shot to death in her hometown of Cali, Colombia, on Tuesday, March 06, at around 6:30 PM. A funeral was held here in Cali on Friday. March 6th at 3:30PM. In this senseless act of violence, a person who stole her purse also took her life from her, as a consequence, none of us will ever be able to talk or see her again"
    I also new her very well through friends and can vouch for Urbans Story 100%! It is a very sad traumatic day for me for she was a sweet girl. Still working on the details but I know she was killed coming out of Exito resisting robbery. Im not sure which Exito either. I was reluctant to post the details though without a link that to back it up. I just saw this girl in January at chipechape, how tragic.

  15. #42
    Without prompting, a semi-pro amiga told me this week that she was concerned about going back to her barrio (Castilla) alone late at night, and pulled up a PDF of the "social cleansing" threat (that prompted this discussion thread) as an explanation for me when I wondered (I didn't see who she got it from, multi-forward email). She seemed concerned about looking trashy and had seemed to dress down because of that.

    She said that some significant (?) criminal had been killed in her neighborhood 2 weeks ago and people had been on edge since then. She seemed to say the police in Poblado were effective but not so much where she was (unclear if less motivated, less of them, less mandate, or what). I wasn't able to pursue nuance because of my middling spanish. :-P

    Note that I've not verified any of this with anybody else yet, or heard of any other killings, but worthy of note.

    I tend to be low-key as much as possible anyway, but interesting. As others have noted, we are visitors here in MDE, so best to tread lightly-- I try to take the lead from my MDE friends.

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