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  1. #3047
    Quote Originally Posted by RedKilt  [View Original Post]
    I agree with Allover, but I am talking about pre-90's times, when the rooms were perfectly OK by my fairly strict standards.

    I am a 5-star hotel person so I prefer nice places and Annies was OK for me in those days.

    We all have different preferences. The reality is that when Annies started it was THE place to go despite what others say. No need to over-analyze anything.

    As I have said before, it's a pity it's gone but times change and so do businesses.
    Fact is rooms never went through maintenance.

    So what was great in those early years (facilities, sizes etc) became over worn through the times.

    A little bit like Nana Hotel. Very spacious rooms for downtown and the price you pay, but everything seems worn out.

    Unless you are lucky and get a room with refurbished bathrooms to current standards.

  2. #3046

    Annies: Relocated or gone for good?

    OK, so I'm a little confused as to what happened to this place.

    From their website it would appear that they simply changed the name and address and everything else (staff, services, prices) remain the same.

    This thread makes it sound as though Annies is gone. No reviews, just remembrances of what it used to be like.

    Which is it?

  3. #3045
    Quote Originally Posted by Allover  [View Original Post]
    <SNIP> I would sum up Annies by saying the rooms were poor and you had to look hard to select an attractive girl. But the service was excellent. I credit Aey and her mama.

    Why is it so hard for people to accept that some Annies customers liked the place and some didn't?
    I agree with Allover, but I am talking about pre-90's times, when the rooms were perfectly OK by my fairly strict standards.

    I am a 5-star hotel person so I prefer nice places and Annies was OK for me in those days.

    We all have different preferences. The reality is that when Annies started it was THE place to go despite what others say. No need to over-analyze anything.

    As I have said before, it's a pity it's gone but times change and so do businesses.

  4. #3044
    Quote Originally Posted by Franciscass  [View Original Post]
    Annie's was a different world in 2006 compared to 2016. I was a frequent customer back then.
    Just curious. What was so much better in 2006? I am not of course referring to any clash you may have had with the management in some later year, just what it was like in 2006. I never had any relationship with any of the management whatsoever, however Gop remember's me well enough from several take out bookings a few years back.

    My early visits resulted in thinking Aey was the best looker easily, and hence went out without a booking. LOL Hence I never saw the rooms back then. Hard to imagine they ever were better though.

    Allover's post seems about right to me. The line up improved in later years in my view. Does not mean a lot of hotties to choose from but I did make bookings. Otherwise change is very slow. I have to admit not being aware of Annies at all except due to the forum. Same goes for Tulip.

    Pre 2006 I would have been a regular customer at several Soapies, but not Annies. I probably quit my long term favourite Chao Praya 2, in approx. 2006. It was already in decline after the Thaksin era cleanouts.

    Soapies always had such huge signs, they were much harder to ignore pre Internet era, and a buddy first showed me a Soapy "The Thermae" in 1991 (it closed only a relatively short time later), which was located very close to the Miami Hotel and above the Thermae Coffee shop. Thermae obviously means a bath/spa so perhaps some have wondered why a Coffee Shop ws called the "Thermae" in the modern day. LOL

  5. #3043

    Is it just me?

    The closing of Annies was really sad to me and seemed to signify the end of an era in BKK. Not that Annies was necessarily my favorite, but the service was good and I had known Aey and the management for ages and I had a lot of good times there. But it was always there, a BKK fixture. I more or less learned about BKK, massage parlors and Thai ladies in the 1990's. It was obviously different then (pre-internet) but now the entire scene just seems different, much more commercial and less user friendly. I still like and enjoy BKK, but the area around Sukhimvit is changing. The rents are increasing and seem to be pushing massage parlors away. It seems harder to find good parlors that are reasonably priced, where they don't charge everything up front, where ladies know they had to entice you go full service.

    I used to even enjoy the little dive massage parlors near the Villa Market on Soi 11, occasionally finding a diamond in the rough. They are all gone.

    Oh well, nothing good lasts.

  6. #3042
    Quote Originally Posted by Allover  [View Original Post]
    Annies rooms were in poor condition forever. I remember them being subpar in the early 2000's. I also thought their girls were extremely well trained even if their looks were below average overall. I remember going there with a wingman in about 2006. Both of the girls got us to come three times (thanks Olive) which never happened to either of us before in a 90 minute period. I would sum up Annies by saying the rooms were poor and you had to look hard to select an attractive girl. But the service was excellent. I credit Aey and her mama.

    Why is it so hard for people to accept that some Annies customers liked the place and some didn't?
    Annie's was a different world in 2006 compared to 2016. I was a frequent customer back then.

  7. #3041

    Some liked Annies, many did not

    Annies rooms were in poor condition forever. I remember them being subpar in the early 2000's. I also thought their girls were extremely well trained even if their looks were below average overall. I remember going there with a wingman in about 2006. Both of the girls got us to come three times (thanks Olive) which never happened to either of us before in a 90 minute period. I would sum up Annies by saying the rooms were poor and you had to look hard to select an attractive girl. But the service was excellent. I credit Aey and her mama.

    Why is it so hard for people to accept that some Annies customers liked the place and some didn't?

  8. #3040
    Quote Originally Posted by BionicMan  [View Original Post]
    I don't see why Annie's having its own thread was a mistake.
    Bad mistake by Admin.

    Firstly every post containing the word Annie was moved there. A lot of those posts did not belong and were mainly on other topics. Subdivision should not be retrospective. That is too hard. Other better forum subdivisions were suggested, e. G. By Nic Frenchy.

    It was just catching the moment of the increased marketing opportunity through the web. It certainly didn't cause its own decline. Might have even extended its life and delayed the decline. The "end" of Annie was the changed mongering approach the more opened and wider access to bkk and its special industry with social media taking a stake. There was no need to fake a Thai massage specialty as the soap massage to access paid sex.
    Of course it did not cause the decline. The decline had already started.

    The thread split was caused by complaints about the number of Annies posts (and Tulip) cluttering up the Massage thread.

    In addition the annes facilities became old, worn out and so where the girls. Not many new talents as the fresh farm girls didn't need anymore to spend hours in a fishbowl hoping to get picked and earn in 90' what they could earn in a quickie with a ST deed.
    Annies facilities were always poor, in my memory. The girls may have actually improved in looks. I hardly took Annies girls (maybe only 2 times) before sexy Aor No. 24. Arrived. The line up did improve a little over the years for me. At one time they had maybe 3 or 4 girls I could do. In early days Annies was very over hyped, especially so on another forum starting with "W". Obviously there was a lot of good competition available for MPs, and I never really considered Annies to be a fully fledged Soapy, even though had a bath, bodyslide, and fishbowl. However not very similar to other Soapies, especially with sub standard facilities.
    The "corporation and affiliation" set up with the too hopeful "Dr. BJ" & co. Was probably a mistake as the soi 7/1 facilities distracted the customer base from the main Rajah comolex historical site. Maybe it was just an attempt to cater to a new busibes.
    Can't agree that was a mistake, but sure those shops were not as busy as Annies was. Chrome rooms are better. Soi of shame was not the best location, or maybe it was. Punters unwilling to go to Annies may well have gone to the new shops. There are a huge number of venues available for any Annies customers. There is nothing special.
    The real estate project at the Rajah complex (I feel sorry for those who started the Mexican Bar, too early to do that) put all to an end.
    Not really relevant I believe. Mexican Restaurant next to Annies? Seems a crazy idea.

  9. #3039
    Quote Originally Posted by BionicMan  [View Original Post]
    I don't see why Annie's having its own thread was a mistake.
    Of course it wasn't, how could having your own tread be a mistake. Annie's was an institution back in the day where its popularity warranted a separate thread. It was along with Baron one of the two most popular destinations on Sukhumvit.

    Although we've discussed its demise at length I'm still at a loss to understand how with its brand so well recognized and respected it was allowed to go the way it did. Was it the hook up with the inexperienced Soi 7/1 partner, the new business model they pursued or just a loss of interest after mum ceased to be involved.

  10. #3038
    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    It was a much later year when Annies got its own thread, which was a big mistake, as that was the time its popularity was dying away. I do recall when Annies used to answer posts on the ISG, in the early days I was a member of ISG. Wasn't very worthwhile.
    I don't see why Annie's having its own thread was a mistake.

    It was just catching the moment of the increased marketing opportunity through the web. It certainly didn't cause its own decline. Might have even extended its life and delayed the decline. The "end" of Annie was the changed mongering approach the more opened and wider access to bkk and its special industry with social media taking a stake. There was no need to fake a Thai massage specialty as the soap massage to access paid sex.

    In addition the annÓes facilities became old, worn out and so where the girls. Not many new talents as the fresh farm girls didn't need anymore to spend hours in a fishbowl hoping to get picked and earn in 90' what they could earn in a quickie with a ST deed.

    The "corporation and affiliation" set up with the too hopeful "Dr. BJ" & co. Was probably a mistake as the soi 7/1 facilities distracted the customer base from the main Rajah comolex historical site. Maybe it was just an attempt to cater to a new busibes.

    The real estate project at the Rajah complex (I feel sorry for those who started the Mexican Bar, too early to do that) put all to an end.

  11. #3037
    Quote Originally Posted by Applesauce  [View Original Post]
    I remember this. My first visit to BKK was in 2007 and Annie's was already doing heavy a lot of online marketing then. For those who remember, in 2007 it was still only a minority of people who were online. Cybercafes were started at the back of printing shops. I was using the cybercafe at Times Square near Asok because my hotel the Sheraton didn't have wi-fi.
    Minority of people online? Sure my parents weren't online. LOL Surely a lot of us had to use email at the very least, since years before that. I only ever had one or two desktop computers moving to laptops very early and needing them for work since early 2000's. I was posting on work related online forums (not ISG) since well before the year 2000. Not with wifi of course.

    By 2007, I am sure Livinstone's Lodge in Soi 33 had very good wifi internet. I stayed there a few times. I liked the late breakfast possibility.

    I am sure I joined the ISG before 2007 under a different handle. Was suggested to me by a guy sitting next to me in a sex club. I do recall using some internet cafes (very occasionally) and very rarely in Thailand (was one good one in Soi 11), that was because of inconvenience sometimes of dialup internet connections (before broad band generally available). Internet cafes were also not convenient due to many not being setup to provide a Lan plugin to your own laptop. I certainly had dial up internet at home for a few years before I tried the ISG and before broadband became a good option. ISG still had a lot of posters already in 2005 or 2006 when I joined, and I was finally persuaded to try Tulip sometime later when it was already very big on the ISG.

    It was a much later year when Annies got its own thread, which was a big mistake, as that was the time its popularity was dying away. I do recall when Annies used to answer posts on the ISG, in the early days I was a member of ISG. Wasn't very worthwhile.

  12. #3036
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunlover2  [View Original Post]
    The reason for this was because Annies spotted the internet marketing opportunity early on. Aye personally and her ex-pat surrogate 'helpers' were very active with guerilla marketing tactics in on-line forums:

    There were hand bills posted in each room listing their social media outlets which encouraged customers to review them on line. Positive posts were praised and reinforced.

    Anytime there was a non-positive review or comments the poster was shouted down as a hater or problem customer. No constructive or honest criticism was permitted..
    The reason for Annie's decline was bad management (past 2 to 3 years) and overpricing. While 2500 is a reasonable price for 90 minutes when the facilities are decent and the lineup is reasonably attractive this was not the case at Annie's.

    They choose to go after the Soi 4 newbie market but the Plaza, Hillary bars and the other watering holes had more interesting choices and so business was slow. They felt by using the net to create a false narrative and using surrogate posters to rubbish anybody who pointed out the truth they could be successful. These surrogate apologists posed as honest brokers claiming no connection to the owners but their continued rubbishing of those of us who refused to allow the forum to be used in this way showed otherwise.

    Despite what some believe the only "positive" posts that attention was drawn to were those that were likely shills. Some of these were amazingly by the management themselves.

    Members who posted good experiences which incidentally were few and far between did not have their posts rubbished. Furthermore for anyone to suggest that members of this forum are so timid and frightened to post just because they had a negative response to something they said is both an insult to their intelligence and their character.

  13. #3035
    Quote Originally Posted by Sunlover2  [View Original Post]
    The reason for this was because Annies spotted the internet marketing opportunity early on.
    I remember this. My first visit to BKK was in 2007 and Annie's was already doing heavy a lot of online marketing then. For those who remember, in 2007 it was still only a minority of people who were online. Cybercafes were started at the back of printing shops. I was using the cybercafe at Times Square near Asok because my hotel the Sheraton didn't have wi-fi.

  14. #3034

    14 / v

    Quote Originally Posted by Syzygies  [View Original Post]
    She has been there recently! When you come back you will probably be successful. Don't worry about it. Don't bother to research in the meantime. It won't be any great help, I suspect. Maybe the Instagram site is a better one to look for recent pics coming up (I did not look for some time though), but hard to be sure when they were taken. I could be wrong. I never use Facebook.
    It seems that number 14 from Annie's became letter V in Wood Bar.

  15. #3033
    Quote Originally Posted by RedKilt  [View Original Post]
    Why do you have to comment as usual when you clearly DO NOT KNOW any more about it than me and are making assumptions, Mr Syzygies, the self-appointed know-all about Bangkok.

    You admit yourself in numerous posts within the last 18 months you did not like Annie's any more.

    I have spent many hours chatting with Aey at the bar and I saw AT FIRST HAND how well she ran Annie's on behalf of her mother. This is probably before your time.

    When she went missing from the MP ("less time in attendance" to use your phrase) it immediately started to decline.
    The fact that it has now closed proves my point. She must no longer have her finger in the pie to any great extent as I am certain she would not have tolerated the decline in both services and amenities.
    See Lion55 comment about Aey in attendance. Your "left the management" was total twaddle I am afraid.

    I have my sources re Annies and hear that Aey has not left her other shops entirely. Sighted plenty of times (by others). I comment when I believe I have better information. That simple. Sorry I happened to disagree based on what I hear. Aey leaving is most unlikely.

    I have met the "Annie" (mother) and chatted to her long ago, however I don't claim very ancient experience at Annies. I also had a chat with a older female staff member who used to be at the Thermae Soapy 27 years ago, and I had old close ties with a friend of hers from the Thermae Soapy.

    My latest theory (unproven) is that after an inspection by Authorities, Annies maybe was closed possibly due to illegal use of Underground water, like some other Soapies.

    I admit that I did not like the Annies rooms, and did not attend there for well over a year, but I still have contact with someone who ought to know a fair bit about what is going on. I also did not attend Chrome or Wood bars for a long time now, even though I preferred the rooms there. So I did not see Aey with my own eyes recently. Someone else did who has probably little reason to feed me bullshit. Aey was always the "big boss" as far as the girls were concerned, and appeared regularly at all 3 shops (last time the Aey topic came up).

    I don't invent or make up information. If I am guessing, I clearly state that, otherwise I try present good info (my viewpoint).

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