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  1. #985
    Quote Originally Posted by MutantChicken  [View Original Post]
    You do know congdongmassage is a page created by the owners of the massage parlors right? And a vast majority of the reviews are written by fake users who then post inflated prices, and the rest are local newbies who if you were fluent in vietnamese and not using google translate would be able to pick that up as they state that clearly in their post anyway (HCMC reviews). I know for a fact the girls accept less than what is posted on congdongmassage.

    Secondly you mention amis and postoffice which is in vungtau, prices in vungtau are different than those in saigon, this is compounded by the fact that that reviews for amis etc are written by saigonese tourist visiting vung tau not local vungtau men.

    The point is there are guys who bargain well and get local prices and there are chumps even amongst local men who are not hardcore mongerers. When someone tells you that a certain product can be gains for a cheaper price most people will say thanks ok next time ill pay that price, but as soon as the product is pussy well all sorts of chest thumping and bravado comes out.
    Talk about moving the goalposts. First it's locals pay less. Now it's locals except for local newbies, or locals from 2 hours away. I asked for a single review, just one, where they got 'local prices'. Fake reviews or not, you would think there would be one in there. Not claiming it hasn't happened, you shouldn't have read that into my comment, I'm pointing out that no, westerners aren't the only people paying these prices.

    Prices are, as a rule, cheaper in Vung Tau, especially compared to a Japanese tourist hotspot. This is evident everywhere you go in Asia. If it's a Japanese hotspot, prices tend to be higher. So not sure why you think pointing out it's Vung Tau supports your argument.

    I know for a fact, many girls will not negotiate down. Not just one or two, multiple. It's not about saying you can't get prices lower, but having your expectations calibrated going in. It is good to know that some people are getting better deals, and this is important information for mongers. What is not helpful, is saying all girls will negotiate down heavily, or that you must be doing something wrong ('be an arsehole') if you don't get these prices.

  2. #984
    Quote Originally Posted by Sam588  [View Original Post]
    Here's a challenge for you, go visit the congdongmassage website, it's filled with reviews from Vietnamese men. Now search for reviews of Amis massage, or Post Office massage, some of the more popular (heavily reviewed) massage shops. Now find me a single review, where the tip was less than 800 k for FS. Just one. You'll find loads where the price of 800 k-1000 k is what they paid, on top of the shop fee.
    You do know congdongmassage is a page created by the owners of the massage parlors right? And a vast majority of the reviews are written by fake users who then post inflated prices, and the rest are local newbies who if you were fluent in vietnamese and not using google translate would be able to pick that up as they state that clearly in their post anyway (HCMC reviews). I know for a fact the girls accept less than what is posted on congdongmassage.

    Secondly you mention amis and postoffice which is in vungtau, prices in vungtau are different than those in saigon, this is compounded by the fact that that reviews for amis etc are written by saigonese tourist visiting vung tau not local vungtau men.

    The point is there are guys who bargain well and get local prices and there are chumps even amongst local men who are not hardcore mongerers. When someone tells you that a certain product can be gains for a cheaper price most people will say thanks ok next time ill pay that price, but as soon as the product is pussy well all sorts of chest thumping and bravado comes out.

  3. #983
    Quote Originally Posted by BinhThanh  [View Original Post]
    I am just saying they are always ready to half their price in a heartbeat if you don't like a complete idiot. Minimal negotiating
    I just told you I offered 1.5 m and they refused, then you come back with 'always ready to halve their price'? That's plainly misleading, they very evidently don't *always* drop their price. I don't care to speculate on the precise ratio of girls that will or won't negotiate, but I can tell you plenty have played hardball on price. Certainly enough that any new mongers should be prepared to be knocked back. Hell 10 years ago, I had trouble negotiating FS down from 1 m Post Office in Vung Tau, which was the last time I bothered to visit a massage place in Vung Tau as the quality didn't justify the price (nor did you get to choose the girl).

    Kynu has girls ranging from 250 k to 2. 5 m, you can't cherry pick the 500 k girls and hold that up as evidence locals get it for cheaper. Never mind the inconvenience for a foreigner to organize with a kynu girl who, who may not respond to foreigners, and in most cases you don't get to see her face before hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by BinhThanh
    or the locals, 300 k for FULl FS with a gorgeous chick or 500 for an hour FS definitely puts it in perspective that the massage salons you visit prey on customers like you.
    You don't seem to understand me. Locals are paying 1 m for FS as some of these massage places. Yes they have the cheaper places, but they're paying more where they feel the quality merits it.

    Here's a challenge for you, go visit the congdongmassage website, it's filled with reviews from Vietnamese men. Now search for reviews of Amis massage, or Post Office massage, some of the more popular (heavily reviewed) massage shops. Now find me a single review, where the tip was less than 800 k for FS. Just one. You'll find loads where the price of 800 k-1000 k is what they paid, on top of the shop fee.

  4. #982
    Quote Originally Posted by Sam588  [View Original Post]
    Hand job for 3-ish, less than the shop ticket price of 400 k? How many other massage shops do you know of, where standard HJ prices are less than the shop ticket price? I'm sorry this stretches credibility for me. First how many girls at 400 k a piece did you have to ask to finally get that price? How many times did you have to endure the words 'not lucky' from the girl, during prolonged negotiations (my personal record has been several dozen).

    As for 1. 2 m for FS, I suppose we should all be celebrating. As it's known the massage parlors for local men, are frequently getting charged 800 k-1000 k for FS at the more popular venues. Which means Japanese tourists have hardly caused any price increase at all. Happy days. Except does anyone actually believe that to be the case? I can you link you to multiple reports, in Vietnamese (from locals), stating tips of 800 k-1000 k, where they don't even get to choose the girl.

    Cherry massage for instance, I've made take it or leave it offers for 1.5 m, and they left it. That doesn't mean some girls won't do 1.2 m if they're less popular, but when you've had over 10 girls, without exception, quote prices at or above 500/1000/2000, you know that's in the ballpark. That was very consistent, and will be the opening gambit for the majority for western mongers in 2019. It's higher for Asians, I know for a fact some are paying 3 m FS, though I don't know how common that is.r.
    One more thing, I never said their quotes are not the same. I am just saying they are always ready to half their price in a heartbeat if you don't like a complete idiot. Minimal negotiating and some frame really drops even condomless FS from 3 mil to 1 mil very quickly. If a girl offered FS, you can be sure she will say yes for it for 700-1. 2 m depending on how used she is.

    What I am trying to say is I have been living here for 3 years almost now which is not too much but did quite a few dozen tens of millions of mongering and I always get back to the point where I realize the best way to get FS or a decently priced handjob is to either go NTD or pick a spa where FS is available, have a good smelling body and dress decently and treat them with respect, then they will be begging for you to spend money on them and lower their prices. Its low seasons after all, that's the other thing.

    Never heard "unlucky". I always just heard: Noooo, pleeease.

  5. #981
    No and no.

    Because you are not a local, your prices, like every fucking where in Vn start exactly 200% compared to what you should be paying. Every single girl knows and utilizes this. Ticket price not counted of course. And yes, there are a few places where they still don't differentiate between foreigners and locals, like Phan van Tri Ngoc Diep, 90 k ticket, 200 handjob 300 blowjob 500 FS (if they accept FS, varies). But the prices are set in stone there.

    So if you are coerced to pay 1 m for a blowjob, for 10% better looking ladies, then its your own fault to lose so much money. And yes, if you look at kynu or the locals, 300 k for FULl FS with a gorgeous chick or 500 for an hour FS definitely puts it in perspective that the massage salons you visit prey on customers like you.

    Take it or leave it? Then leave it, who cares, you have a lot better options.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam588  [View Original Post]
    Hand job for 3-ish, less than the shop ticket price of 400 k? How many other massage shops do you know of, where standard HJ prices are less than the shop ticket price? I'm sorry this stretches credibility for me. First how many girls at 400 k a piece did you have to ask to finally get that price? How many times did you have to endure the words 'not lucky' from the girl, during prolonged negotiations (my personal record has been several dozen).

    As for 1. 2 m for FS, I suppose we should all be celebrating. As it's known the massage parlors for local men, are frequently getting charged 800 k-1000 k for FS at the more popular venues. Which means Japanese tourists have hardly caused any price increase at all. Happy days. Except does anyone actually believe that to be the case? I can you link you to multiple reports, in Vietnamese (from locals), stating tips of 800 k-1000 k, where they don't even get to choose the girl.

  6. #980
    Quote Originally Posted by BinhThanh  [View Original Post]
    I am sorry, jesus christ, they charge you 1 m for a blowjob at little tokyo? The oral is 500 k and the handjob is 3-ish and you can have full sex with just about anybody for 1.2 m there if you are not an asshole and look semi decent.
    Hand job for 3-ish, less than the shop ticket price of 400 k? How many other massage shops do you know of, where standard HJ prices are less than the shop ticket price? I'm sorry this stretches credibility for me. First how many girls at 400 k a piece did you have to ask to finally get that price? How many times did you have to endure the words 'not lucky' from the girl, during prolonged negotiations (my personal record has been several dozen).

    As for 1. 2 m for FS, I suppose we should all be celebrating. As it's known the massage parlors for local men, are frequently getting charged 800 k-1000 k for FS at the more popular venues. Which means Japanese tourists have hardly caused any price increase at all. Happy days. Except does anyone actually believe that to be the case? I can you link you to multiple reports, in Vietnamese (from locals), stating tips of 800 k-1000 k, where they don't even get to choose the girl.

    Quote Originally Posted by BinhThanh  [View Original Post]
    Are we talking about a different little tokyo? Yes, the girls are prettier than the usual street urchins and hot tocs but nowhere near as beautiful as you describe so I believe maybe yours is different.
    Cherry massage for instance, I've made take it or leave it offers for 1.5 m, and they left it. That doesn't mean some girls won't do 1.2 m if they're less popular, but when you've had over 10 girls, without exception, quote prices at or above 500/1000/2000, you know that's in the ballpark. That was very consistent, and will be the opening gambit for the majority for western mongers in 2019. It's higher for Asians, I know for a fact some are paying 3 m FS, though I don't know how common that is.

    In terms of whether they have some of the prettiest girls you can find, the burning question is where is better (near that price point)? If you can't say, then I must take that as tacit agreement, the girls there are top notch. The Duyen Dang girls give them a run for their money, but short of high end KTVs, I can't think of any places I can more easily spot a head turner.

  7. #979
    I am sorry, jesus christ, they charge you 1 m for a blowjob at little tokyo? The oral is 500 k and the handjob is 3-ish and you can have full sex with just about anybody for 1.2 m there if you are not an asshole and look semi decent.

    Are we talking about a different little tokyo? Yes, the girls are prettier than the usual street urchins and hot tocs but nowhere near as beautiful as you describe so I believe maybe yours is different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sam588  [View Original Post]
    By and large I've been very impressed with the girls I've seen in Little Tokyo and Vung Tau, and the guys I've talked to in Vung Tau seemed happy enough as well. Though I tend to stay clear of full time expats, as invariably they ***** about everything. I've visited Vung Tau for near on a decade now, sporadically, but aside from girls that don't go with customers period, had no complaints. A little vetting goes a long way. I've seen guys with girls that so clearly aren't interested, I don't know what they're thinking. If the girl is not giving you positive signs, move on. That's going to take care of 90% of the problems. Far more effective that speculating on the perfect tip amount that won't ruin service.

    Little Tokyo, very expensive, but the quality is off the chart. IMO the only place that compares for highest density of hotties in a small area, was the now closed Alexis hotel in Jakarta. I'm biased as I have a thing for Vietnamese women, I see what I consider model quality girls there, that I can't find anywhere else. I visit Thai gogo's a lot, but in comparison hardly ever barfine, as the quality doesn't justify the price. At Little Tokyo massage places I typically get asked 500 k for HJ, 1 m oral, 2 m for full service (FS varies 1.5 m-3 m, but normally 2 m). Service is outstanding for some girls, things like putting your shoes on afterwards. More often than not they're quite warm upstairs, a contrast to the stony expression many have downstairs. I would say 20% of the girls gave me a forgettable experience, the rest have been good. Since you can't vet these girls, I consider that not bad at all.

  8. #978
    Quote Originally Posted by Sam588  [View Original Post]
    By and large I've been very impressed with the girls I've seen in Little Tokyo and Vung Tau, and the guys I've talked to in Vung Tau seemed happy enough as well. Though I tend to stay clear of full time expats, as invariably they ***** about everything. I've visited Vung Tau for near on a decade now, sporadically, but aside from girls that don't go with customers period, had no complaints. A little vetting goes a long way. I've seen guys with girls that so clearly aren't interested, I don't know what they're thinking. If the girl is not giving you positive signs, move on. That's going to take care of 90% of the problems. Far more effective that speculating on the perfect tip amount that won't ruin service.

    Little Tokyo, very expensive, but the quality is off the chart. IMO the only place that compares for highest density of hotties in a small area, was the now closed Alexis hotel in Jakarta. I'm biased as I have a thing for Vietnamese women, I see what I consider model quality girls there, that I can't find anywhere else. I visit Thai gogo's a lot, but in comparison hardly ever barfine, as the quality doesn't justify the price. At Little Tokyo massage places I typically get asked 500 k for HJ, 1 m oral, 2 m for full service (FS varies 1.5 m-3 m, but normally 2 m). Service is outstanding for some girls, things like putting your shoes on afterwards. More often than not they're quite warm upstairs, a contrast to the stony expression many have downstairs. I would say 20% of the girls gave me a forgettable experience, the rest have been good. Since you can't vet these girls, I consider that not bad at all.
    Your information about Vung Tau is much more up to date than mine. I was last there in 2004. I do talk to people who live there, and most say they wouldn't be there for the prostitution scene.

    I agree regarding attractiveness of women working in Little Tokyo versus Thailand gogos, but way back there were many cute and barfinable hotties working in Bangkok. Times have changed.

  9. #977
    Quote Originally Posted by MeoDen  [View Original Post]
    Look at the horror stories coming out of Little Tokyo, Pasteur, Bui Vien bars and massage joints, the hundred dollar hags in Vung Tau. Everywhere we read about foreigners being overcharged and underdelivered, and then tipping, which is like a red rag to a bull.
    By and large I've been very impressed with the girls I've seen in Little Tokyo and Vung Tau, and the guys I've talked to in Vung Tau seemed happy enough as well. Though I tend to stay clear of full time expats, as invariably they ***** about everything. I've visited Vung Tau for near on a decade now, sporadically, but aside from girls that don't go with customers period, had no complaints. A little vetting goes a long way. I've seen guys with girls that so clearly aren't interested, I don't know what they're thinking. If the girl is not giving you positive signs, move on. That's going to take care of 90% of the problems. Far more effective that speculating on the perfect tip amount that won't ruin service.

    Little Tokyo, very expensive, but the quality is off the chart. IMO the only place that compares for highest density of hotties in a small area, was the now closed Alexis hotel in Jakarta. I'm biased as I have a thing for Vietnamese women, I see what I consider model quality girls there, that I can't find anywhere else. I visit Thai gogo's a lot, but in comparison hardly ever barfine, as the quality doesn't justify the price. At Little Tokyo massage places I typically get asked 500 k for HJ, 1 m oral, 2 m for full service (FS varies 1.5 m-3 m, but normally 2 m). Service is outstanding for some girls, things like putting your shoes on afterwards. More often than not they're quite warm upstairs, a contrast to the stony expression many have downstairs. I would say 20% of the girls gave me a forgettable experience, the rest have been good. Since you can't vet these girls, I consider that not bad at all.

  10. #976
    Still possible to pay 300 k at NPK as of yesterday at least in one venue if you know the mamasan. Quality of girls and service is definitely down. Girls have been used to overpaying customers who tip even for bad service. I didn't. Next time will meet a Kynu girl I know for 400 k instead. This will be good FS and not poor BJ.

  11. #975

    Clarification

    So, I did not post about my latest explorations in HCM last year, but I can assure you that they were most enjoyable. At 594 with the flowerpots I had a superb experience, which is highly unusual in this venue from all that I have heard and observed first-hand. I checked this twenty-something bunny out to a nearby hotel a day or two later for 800 K.

    And my moto bike driver took me to a few exceptional places around town where everything was possible. Prices are what they are for a farang and sometimes it just isn't possible to bargain.

    At NPK 84 I have many good experiences, but 400 K is standard fare. I was not disappointed. Full nude and very yummy-looking late teen ager who let me grope and more to my hearts delight. Money well-spent if you ask me.

    It sure beats Bennys. With my much larger than average body frame I could hardly fit on the so-called massage table and my lady serviced me on her knees with me leaning backward. I haven't been back since and don't plan to anytime soon.

    About the mystery lady I guess all I can say is that sometimes the pleasure lies half in the hunt. She was exceptionally nice and in the end we were both more than fulfilled. Asian ladies age amazingly so age ultimately matters less than appearances. Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder, right.

  12. #974
    Quote Originally Posted by RoamingViking  [View Original Post]
    Good evening. I haven't done NPK for a while but I have always had good luck. Fully nude by exquisite girl. What has changed? I will be back soon. That said, there is really only one venue on NPK that is worthwhile. Please see my previous reports. I am also interested in cafe OM, if anyone has any good intell. I have a few good places which hopefully are still up and running.

    Cheers!
    Your post was in 2017, 2 yrs in Vn means a lot of changes, both in locations, girls and service levels. I stopped going to npk when it started charging more and had less attractive girls.

    To put things in perspective in 2017 your were paying from your rp 200 to the shop and then you tipped 200-300 k, at that time the local price was 150+150 and shops not on npk were 100+100. Today I can still find shops charging 100+100 though on average its 150+200. Given that you were already overpaying in 2017 and now the official price even for locals on npk is 200+200 you will probably feel that is acceptable. Also given that you have expressed sexual interest in a 45 yr old then the girls looks may be acceptable for you.

    As to your cafe om, I believe your were grossly overpaying, 120 k for your coffee and the your would tip 100 k, at that time in 2017 it was 120 k incl the tip it was something like 40 k for the drink and normally you would round up to 100 k. FYI the official price for locals now is 60-80 k for the drink and 100 k for the girl. I never found that area very good as the girl were too old for my liking, sure you can find a few gems around if you are lucky but for that price I could find a girls who would give me a BBBJ.

  13. #973

    Npk

    Good evening. I haven't done NPK for a while but I have always had good luck. Fully nude by exquisite girl. What has changed? I will be back soon. That said, there is really only one venue on NPK that is worthwhile. Please see my previous reports. I am also interested in cafe OM, if anyone has any good intell. I have a few good places which hopefully are still up and running.

    Cheers!

    Quote Originally Posted by MutantChicken  [View Original Post]
    What is "pretty good" is relative, what I call pretty good is having a 6. 5 22 yr old give me a BBBJCIM when she is 69 on me for the cost of a drink and 120 k, or recently a 6.5 27 yr old who will get fully naked rim my ass catbath me all over give me a BBBJ CIM for 150 k incl drink or a busty slim 28 yr old who will rim me give me a BBBJCIM for 150 k, me paying 400 k for a similar girls to do similar things I wouldn't call pretty good as I'm paying 3 x as much. The girl would have to be much prettier. Note I'm pretty such my ratings are conservative IE my 6.5 is prob most peoples 7-8's.

  14. #972

    Mo

    Greetings all. So I was in HCH last spring and stayed in LE Lai street in a $20 a night place. Very good except they don't like me bringing in visitors. Across from my hotel there is a park that extends for about a good 500 meters or so and features a small stage where there is live music in the evening. On this evening I met a 45 something lady who immediately asked me to dance. We talked and one thing led to another. For the next few days she showed me around town on her motorcycle. BUT she was almost always accompanied by her teen age son who had some kind of emotional disability. Most annoying. One evening she did come back to my hotel with me for. We exchanged emails and phone numbers but, try as I may, I cannot reach her. Her phone simply does not work but she did say that she was short on money so maybe that's the explanation. She does not have access to email and phone and then changed numbers. At any rate I was wondering if anyone has come across her. She was very pleasant and quite the looker. And she kept saying that she was not a "taxi girl," BUT We hit it off well and I am keen on seeing her again on my next visit. Please PM me with any information you might have.

  15. #971
    Quote Originally Posted by Mushuu09  [View Original Post]
    Chicken. I've read your post over the past years and used this forum for my trip to VN. You like to post what you get or the girls you've slept with. But never drop any useful knowledge for the rest of us. Each person skill level on negotiation varies but empark your techniques and how to "make a deal. " I've been all over the World exploring, for all the places that overcharge I walk away. In VN is no different and I understand the language a bit and push back. Most of the time I'm walking away looking elsewhere but with time constraints it gets tough walking away from the committed time.

    Investment. But in short share us your stories, techniques, trip reports. We know that you youreslef have expressed your appitude to "crush it" on several occasions. But obviously by the amount of people on here spending more than what you think, surely more can use some of your tricks. As for me, I say fuck it, go to PI. At least it's direct, GFE is the norm, you're going to get scammed anyways.

    And side note, what's up with Quat Lam? I can barely find info on the place. Been to do son. Not really worth the work to get there but I exploring is part the fun.
    From what I understand, I think he sells his services and will give tours for when you are visiting VN for the appropriate price. MutantChiken, please correct me if I'm wrong but that was the impression I got from some previous posts I read a while back.

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