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  1. #14858
    Quote Originally Posted by Polyamorist  [View Original Post]
    Salaam Gino, yeah I've always felt a bit gaslighted when customers post to a public forum arguing against their own interests.
    Thank you Poly. Glad to know that we still have some normal people on ISG.

  2. #14857
    Quote Originally Posted by Gino02  [View Original Post]
    On top of that some folks here in ISG keep arguing in favor of these increased prices and haggling market stating its merely a different point of view, which I really don't understand how can a customer do that to himself. How much insanity we have to see that customers are not just defending but also promoting price increase and haggling of a service that only few years back was quite standard in the same markets? Are they real customers or actually vendors and their managers in disguise as customers on ISG?
    Salaam Gino, yeah I've always felt a bit gaslighted when customers post to a public forum arguing against their own interests.

  3. #14856
    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroTact  [View Original Post]
    Hello,

    I am on the east side of Stuttgart on business and I will be bored all weekend. The palace has been featured internationally but it appears they don't get good review. I'm looking to simply have normal sex with a girl attractive enough to keep me stiff. I get lost with all the admission fees and extras. Where is the best place to go and how many euros should I bring and pay for at each step?
    Just go Sharks Darmstadt. You may drive, take bus from FRAport or direct regional train RMV. De.

    65 euro entry, then one girl 50 euro every 30 min. Extra euro for your own alcohol. Many girls of all types and age. You will likely find at least a few to your like. Bring 300-400 euro is enough to enjoy with 2-4 girl if you arrive 14:00 and pace careful. More euro if you like 2 girls same time. Club is large enough to wander for explore, with nice outside area for sun. You will enjoy.

  4. #14855
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    Hey guys. Mighty quiet in here. I know some of you enjoy an update from rest of world and what it's like outside German FKK. As it's quite quiet in here, here's what went down in London last week.
    Your post is welcome but please post in the London thread and then link to it here. It will help everyone interested in London then.

  5. #14854

    NRW best line up?

    If looks matter most, which club in NRW would rank highest? Also fine with RLD, Laufh. Or maybe even agencies. Looking for younger, hotter women and don't mind the up selling.

    Thanks!

  6. #14853
    Quote Originally Posted by Chongmal  [View Original Post]
    I think that it depends greatly on the clubs you attended. Some clubs, still to this day, enforce rigid pricing structures. Others fell apart well in advance of the new law. Last year I was in a club that was 100% German bears except for me on that day. The structure for pricing was set in stone. If you offered to pay extra the ladies thought it was a trap. This also comes down to the discipline of the bears.
    You are right. In fact, your last sentence "This also comes down to the discipline of the bears" sums it all, which many of the newbie tourists lack and refuse to learn from the local German bears, leading to the current rampant price haggling market situation similar to a Turkish Bazaar. On top of that some folks here in ISG keep arguing in favor of these increased prices and haggling market stating its merely a different point of view, which I really don't understand how can a customer do that to himself. How much insanity we have to see that customers are not just defending but also promoting price increase and haggling of a service that only few years back was quite standard in the same markets? Are they real customers or actually vendors and their managers in disguise as customers on ISG?

  7. #14852
    Quote Originally Posted by Gino02  [View Original Post]
    If anyone thinks that the price haggling was as rampant before the 2017 laws as it is now, clearly wasn't in touch
    I think that it depends greatly on the clubs you attended. Some clubs, still to this day, enforce rigid pricing structures. Others fell apart well in advance of the new law. Last year I was in a club that was 100% German bears except for me on that day. The structure for pricing was set in stone. If you offered to pay extra the ladies thought it was a trap. This also comes down to the discipline of the bears.

  8. #14851
    Quote Originally Posted by Gino02  [View Original Post]
    Can you please let me know what are my other personas you think? Asking because I really don't have any other handle on ISG, but will be good to know which ones you think are. Thanks in advance.

    If anyone thinks that the price haggling was as rampant before the 2017 laws as it is now, clearly wasn't in touch with the real German market back then, just reading the old posts and commenting. Note that the wind of the 2017 law started blowing sometimes in 2016 (may even be late 2015, I can't remember exactly). New folks can argue here all day long about exact timing of start of general haggling and deviation from the standard rates, only those who were really there know how it was actually; unfortunately rest are only keyboard warriors.
    It is nice and convenient to assume self granted seniority to one's self and dismiss alternate view points as coming from newbies. It appears to me that you are unable to actually discuss a point on the merit of the point itself and need a crutch of assumed superiority to self validate your own view. Very well.

    The point of posting links to past comments is to show very clearly that for several years, experienced posters right here on ISG have been complaining about service level degradation in Sharks. Were all of them keyboard warrior newbies? That one person I referenced had 850 posts on ISG by 2015 and still complaining about Sharks services.

    Furthermore, I see that you are somewhat prone to exaggeration. Your sentence here says "price haggling was rampant before 2017" which is not a claim anyone made and of course in your earlier comment you said there was no haggling at all in Sharks prior to the law change. Do you realize there is a huge gulf between "no haggling at all" and "rampant haggling"?

    In addition, I see that you conveniently skipped your prior pet peeves about sugar babe sites will be shut down in addition to German sex industry going the way of US sex industry, due directly to "feminists, liberals, left wingers, #metoo". I asked when you think this will happen, and I am still waiting.

  9. #14850

    Discipline

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    Hey guys. Mighty quiet in here. I know some of you enjoy an update from rest of world and what it's like outside German FKK. As it's quite quiet in here, here's what went down in London last week.
    Steve,

    I love your contributions. But, I also believe in "thread discipline". If you want to write a long post about what's going on in London, then you should make your post in the appropriate thread where guys who want to read about the action in London (I for one do not) will be ready and waiting for your report. I know this is the FKK "lounge" where posts can and should be broader, but a detailed post like yours belongs in the London thread, and not here. It may be quiet, but sooner or later things will pick up, as they always do. You've been consistently one of the best contributors on the site. That great, but we all need to be cognizant of and respect the principle of "thread discipline" by not going too off topic for a particular thread and / or not posting field reports in the most appropriate sections of the site that have been set up for those particular type of reports. Keep up the good work! But in the London threads LOL!

  10. #14849

    OT: Hello from Rest of World

    Hey guys. Mighty quiet in here. I know some of you enjoy an update from rest of world and what it's like outside German FKK. As it's quite quiet in here, here's what went down in London last week.

    First of all if you like detailed experience field reports drop me an I'm. Even tho this is a long post it is not half the full story. I am not going to post it here due to lots of personal detail but if you want to read the entire adventure, senior members just I'm me.

    Second a shout out to Andy F. I've never met a fellow enthusiast but Andy and I were both in London and seeing the same girls! So we met for a pint and it was great. Best of luck in your continued adventures Andy!

    All girls below are Diva unless otherwise stated.

    Day 1 Afternoon. Sweetie. Wow what a gorgeous and welcoming girl. Instantly at ease. Great GFE from a vibe standpoint. Light kissing was disappointing since DFK listed. Her body and face are literally perfect from my POV. Minor caveat below. 150/ HR.

    Day 2 Nighttime. Melty Pantera duo. OMFG. Brought two bottles of wine and had one fucking rockstar party for 2 continuous hours. Melty is a fucking star and gets very flirty and sexy when she drinks. She clearly loves Pantera and there was light girl on girl I didn't pay for just because it came naturally. Two rounds including CIM and COB. 650 including CIM.

    Day 3 Afternoon. Melty one on one. Just as great. Had her wear her red fuck me heels to bed. Solid and continuous eye contact during OWO and as I cum in Mish. Fuck she had a beautiful face. And so sweet and skilled. Rockstar. 150.

    Day 4 Late night. Flory. Had a civvie date fail. Texted Diva at 1145 PM and in Flory's bed by 1215 AM. Fuck if that isn't great Diva service I don't know what is! Flory is gorgeous but brand new. You will need to give her direction but she is very accommodating. Again cum in mish staring into her deep brown eyes. Fuck that was nice. 150.

    Day 5 Afternoon. Noleta. If you like them slim then Noleta is your girl. She is super nice and offered half a bottle of wine from her fridge when I arrived. Her BJ started pure in and out and I like to alternate that with licking. Told her this and she was glad to accommodate. After that fuck wow! Sex in all positions but finish CIM after literally ten minutes of being on the edge. Spectacular. 200 including CIM.

    Day 6 Afternoon. Sweetie repeat. This was a bit odd. We had a bit of a misunderstanding and that resulted in her being much cooler to me. She did everything but mechanical. To her credit tho, I accidentally came a little pulling out of OWO too late. And she wasn't happy but had me shower off the cum and started again. And eventually keep a nice passionate appearance as I looked at her while cumming in mish (did you figure out that's my fave? Heheheh) 150.

    Day 7 Nightime Scored a last minute Columbiana on Seeking Arrangement. After agreeing a price for 4 hours of dinner dancing and room time, she asked if her friend could come because it's her birthday. I thought she was trying to double up on price but nope. That's a freebie 2 for 1! Goddamn if we didn't have the best time, including blasting thru London in a pedal cab drinking wine from the bottle and singing Colombian songs! OMG top five kinda full experience (including an hour in the room). 350.

    And there are two civvie dinner dates mixed in and an Asian MILF who fell in love with me and we danced nearly every night. Just a fascinating and Ro-girl filled week.

    Anyone who is in London and not making use of recommended agency RoGirls at 150/ HR is patently insane! One of my favorite cities to visit for the girls.

  11. #14848
    Quote Originally Posted by BigBuddy69  [View Original Post]
    Don't worry you still have a few personas left. And yes I can confirm that for my first visits in the summer of 2016 in Sharks, it was already an upselling kingdom. One of my buddies who has been going to Hesse for a long time advised me to be very clear about what I wanted before entering the room. And he already told me long before 2015.
    Can you please let me know what are my other personas you think? Asking because I really don't have any other handle on ISG, but will be good to know which ones you think are. Thanks in advance.

    If anyone thinks that the price haggling was as rampant before the 2017 laws as it is now, clearly wasn't in touch with the real German market back then, just reading the old posts and commenting. Note that the wind of the 2017 law started blowing sometimes in 2016 (may even be late 2015, I can't remember exactly). New folks can argue here all day long about exact timing of start of general haggling and deviation from the standard rates, only those who were really there know how it was actually; unfortunately rest are only keyboard warriors.

  12. #14847
    Quote Originally Posted by BigBuddy69  [View Original Post]
    Don't worry you still have a few personas left. And yes I can confirm that for my first visits in the summer of 2016 in Sharks, it was already an upselling kingdom. One of my buddies who has been going to Hesse for a long time advised me to be very clear about what I wanted before entering the room. And he already told me long before 2015.
    From 2 May 2015 when I left World to September 2016 , I was at Sharks every week end when I was not on holidays, Sharks was the best casting in Germany at this time, with Samya and Velbert. Got so many real beauties at Sharks: Megan of course weekly, elegant Ilka, chic charm and elegance Katalina I followed at Globe, sophisticated beauty Karin, real woman fire Roberta, none of these girls who would be the prettiest anywhere, Megan is now one of the prettiest at Globe, Katalina was a superstar there, tried to upsell, 100 for 1 hour or 150 for 1 h30 or 200 for 2 h. As least a real and weekly experience. I would be happy to find only one girl on this level of look at Sharks now. Only few girls upsell now, when most are not busy and looking for business.

  13. #14846
    Quote Originally Posted by Gino02  [View Original Post]
    This is my last response to you on this topic. If you want to argue more, send me PM, else ISG Admins might shut down both of us. Good luck.
    Don't worry you still have a few personas left. And yes I can confirm that for my first visits in the summer of 2016 in Sharks, it was already an upselling kingdom. One of my buddies who has been going to Hesse for a long time advised me to be very clear about what I wanted before entering the room. And he already told me long before 2015.

  14. #14845

    First Timer Stuttgart

    Hello,

    I am on the east side of Stuttgart on business and I will be bored all weekend. The palace has been featured internationally but it appears they don't get good review. I'm looking to simply have normal sex with a girl attractive enough to keep me stiff. I get lost with all the admission fees and extras. Where is the best place to go and how many euros should I bring and pay for at each step?

  15. #14844
    Quote Originally Posted by Pessimist  [View Original Post]
    If you did attend Sharks prior to 2017 and got all the goodies from every single girl you fancied for 50 with zero negotiation, you were quite lucky but also unique. Or perhaps your memory is fading which happens with age. Most people have a nostalgic feeling that olden times were golden.

    Here is one link:

    http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...099&viewfull=1#post1778099.

    Talks clearly about haggling and upselling from 2015, a full 2 years before law change in Sharks. You can read through report after report from that time right here on ISG and you will see plenty of negative reports about Sharks from way back when.

    I don't haggle even now. And I don't pay any extras for BLS, BBBJ, kissing. I ask the girl if kissing and BBBJ are included in 50; and if not I either walk or if the girl is super hot I will take a single session just to scratch the itch. Either way there is no haggling. And that is not a huge change from a few years ago a bit worse for sure, but not a dramatic change.

    You are making multiple claims here:.
    Wow! This is becoming increasingly unnecessarily argumentative, which I'm going to refrain from here onwards with you. You clearly do not feel the sentiments of the local Germans these days. Please look at the German forums (some links are shared below by other members) and try to learn, before you try to "win" a debate on German sex market. This is my last response to you on this topic. If you want to argue more, send me PM, else ISG Admins might shut down both of us. Good luck.

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