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  1. #14428

    Credit Card in Germany

    2018, in the Frankfurt area, DB and RMV train kiosk machines where changed and updated. I discovered I can use my credit card to buy my train ticket. I like it a lot.

    2019, in the Dusseldorf area, I could not use my credit card to buy my train ticket. I can use my debit card. At first, I did not like entering my pass code but I did and there was no problems.

    I traveled from AAchen, Germany to Lemiers, Netherlands on the bus going to Sixsens. The bus driver accepted my credit card. 3 euros.

    Back home in the US, I use my credit card for almost ALL my purchases. In Germany, I used my credit card for my super market and gift purchases.

    It minimized the number of times I pulled cash out of the ATM's for the girls. Maybe in the future the girls will take credit cards. Ha, ha.

  2. #14427
    Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis  [View Original Post]
    Berghain is supposedly one of the hardest clubs to get into. Where there is drugs, there is always criminal gangs. Bouncers control which dealers are allowed to sell, which is why bouncers often are members of the gangs themselves: https://www.dw.com/en/drugs-in-berli...dma/a-42494769.

    Supposedly $18 billion a year Germany wide. Conservatively let's say $1-2 billion a year from sex tourists. https://www.havocscope.com/revenue-f...ry-in-germany/.

    On a side note, Berlin is also famous for a nightclub where partygoers openly and hedonistically use drugs and partake in sexual orgies with strangers: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...t-who-13367808.
    I hear biker gang control the bouncer company scene.

  3. #14426
    Quote Originally Posted by Pessimist  [View Original Post]
    I had never been inside Berghain, anyone know what it is like? Seems like it is one of the largest and most successful, and yet they say it's rev is just 5+ mil and a net profit of slightly more than a mil. The challenge of raising money through bank loans for these clubs might explain why many of them are supposedly owned by HA and other such groups.
    Berghain is supposedly one of the hardest clubs to get into. Where there is drugs, there is always criminal gangs. Bouncers control which dealers are allowed to sell, which is why bouncers often are members of the gangs themselves: https://www.dw.com/en/drugs-in-berli...dma/a-42494769.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pessimist  [View Original Post]
    The article says party tourists bring in a billion into Berlin economy annually. Not a bad sum. Us sex mongers are probably a lot more insignificant.
    Supposedly $18 billion a year Germany wide. Conservatively let's say $1-2 billion a year from sex tourists. https://www.havocscope.com/revenue-f...ry-in-germany/.

    On a side note, Berlin is also famous for a nightclub where partygoers openly and hedonistically use drugs and partake in sexual orgies with strangers: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-...t-who-13367808.

  4. #14425
    https://www.insider.com/berlin-was-b...ication-2019-1

    This article provides some insights into the issues of nightclubs in Berlin. Granted, it is not about FKK but perhaps some of the dynamics are similar. I had never been inside Berghain, anyone know what it is like? Seems like it is one of the largest and most successful, and yet they say it's rev is just 5+ mil and a net profit of slightly more than a mil. Also highlights the challenges related to real estate renewals, of raising credit driven funding for a risky venture like clubs, and so forth. One thing I did not get any details is the cost of licenses alcohol license, sex club license, whatever other licenses one needs to run an FKK and how that compares to a club like Berghain. I wonder how difficult it is to obtain a sex club license vs some other nightclub licenses.

    The challenge of raising money through bank loans for these clubs might explain why many of them are supposedly owned by HA and other such groups.

    The article says party tourists bring in a billion into Berlin economy annually. Not a bad sum. Us sex mongers are probably a lot more insignificant.

  5. #14424
    GT and LR seems to be able to hold their prices up because Germans, dutch and others don't like Turkish men (women is a whole other story, but we all know that, LOL) So there is a double market going on in nrw. And the willingness to pay is also quite racist. But this is nothing exclusive to Germany nor FKK's. In Singapore and Geylang for example, the locals took this to the extreme. And it was all about 'helping' one owner whom they liked. Even if other houses had much hotter and better girls. They just didn't like the owners there.

  6. #14423
    Quote Originally Posted by Pksimar69  [View Original Post]
    If you really think about it their running expenses are limited.

    Payroll, electricity, water, food, hygiene materials, and maybe the maintenance of a pool and outside area for those who have. Fixed assets are considered as first year investment even the air co in rooms. They even have the same expenses no matter how many mongers visit, the food, the robs, the slippers will always be the same. So goldmine is not only Artemis but all clubs IMO.

    Even when we see one club shutting down the owner has another one more profitable.
    True, and especially in markets without competition. Nrw is the only market with good competition. Hessen has some signs of decent competition too, but it still has a way left compared to nrw. Which is where the prices shows signs of nearing up on the equilibrium. Just the fact that we sometimes have seen club closures in that area is a healthy sign. Penelope was the last one to close I believe.

    Berlin, all of Switzerland, most of Austria (even if the taxes are higher there) and many other places in Germany are far from equilibrium. And pure goldmines.

    But unless clubs innovate, a cheaper entry fee is not enough. Just look at Andiamo's troubles compared to Wellcum. But I wonder how well Babylon Elsdorf does now after their 'upgrade'. While other clubs like Oase and Acapulco hasn't raised priced at all after large renovations.

    I also heard the new owners of the Acapulco Velbert building are two women. So I wonder if that is a good thing. Maybe it means they are less greedy, and don't want to rob the girls like some male owners tend to.

  7. #14422
    Quote Originally Posted by Sirioja  [View Original Post]
    Not cheaper than Sharks or Oase or Palace. I learned: things can change, sometimes up, sometimes down. When you spend whole day and are far from your home, even I don't go for gastronomic French foods level, but more enjoyable to eat quite good, not to have nothing anymore to eat at 9.30 pm when it would have been your first meal of the day, because you ran at work whole day and then drove 5 hours, but of course girls will always stay the most important and even more important than clubs. But 60 for average foods and very average casting is not so cheap for me, when Vanilla entry is 30, with a real beautiful garden with swimming pool, a rare beautiful face in FKK land, even at Globe, and real woman for love in bed, Gold is 25 with 2 high GFE girls and another so sweet, cute Indira.
    When FKK change, most of time, it is for worst LOL.

    After all, line up and service is most important, for me lineup is most important actually. Service I can negotiate.

  8. #14421
    Quote Originally Posted by Pksimar69  [View Original Post]
    It is indeed amazing how many penis they take. Maybe it gets stretched and gets back to shape those 3-4 days of month they have their days? Who knows.

    But just remember that these pussies give birth so you get an idea how amazing anatomy they have right?
    LOL comparing birth of baby to penis pounding? LOL LOL.

  9. #14420
    Quote Originally Posted by Pistons  [View Original Post]
    I think payroll cost is hardly at over 20%. 10-15% most likely. And 5-10% in food cost considering the cheap factory food Artemis buys in. So Artemis is a goldmine, and the construction was paid back after probably just 2 years. Beyond that it hoes straight to the pocket of the owners.

    50 e entry for guys, and 35 euro entry for girls (25 e tax included), then mainly considering food expenses would still give the owners a very healthy investment risk return!
    If you really think about it their running expenses are limited.

    Payroll, electricity, water, food, hygiene materials, and maybe the maintenance of a pool and outside area for those who have. Fixed assets are considered as first year investment even the air co in rooms. They even have the same expenses no matter how many mongers visit, the food, the robs, the slippers will always be the same. So goldmine is not only Artemis but all clubs IMO.

    Even when we see one club shutting down the owner has another one more profitable.

  10. #14419
    Quote Originally Posted by MrHo  [View Original Post]
    My bad, I just remember it is cheaper than other main places. 60 is still good deal and I do like garden and restaurant set up there with Russian borscht soup sometimes. LR for 60 is bit too much, it basically a house with mini garden.

    New Palace deal is fair enough considering that clubs size. No where to escape and breath club.
    Not cheaper than Sharks or Oase or Palace. I learned: things can change, sometimes up, sometimes down. When you spend whole day and are far from your home, even I don't go for gastronomic French foods level, but more enjoyable to eat quite good, not to have nothing anymore to eat at 9.30 pm when it would have been your first meal of the day, because you ran at work whole day and then drove 5 hours, but of course girls will always stay the most important and even more important than clubs. But 60 for average foods and very average casting is not so cheap for me, when Vanilla entry is 30, with a real beautiful garden with swimming pool, a rare beautiful face in FKK land, even at Globe, and real woman for love in bed, Gold is 25 with 2 high GFE girls and another so sweet, cute Indira.

  11. #14418
    Quote Originally Posted by MrHo  [View Original Post]
    Well in FKK girls are shared and on average girls fuck about minimum 500 different penis every year or more. Wow do the math, how many guys these girls have had in their life. It is NASA numbers LOL.

    It is amazing though, how many pounding these girls pussies can take because usually when they come to FKK, they stay like few weeks working almost everyday. Their pussies must be stretched after awhile in FKK, but somehow I sometimes find girls with tight pussies. It must be to do with genes.
    It is indeed amazing how many penis they take. Maybe it gets stretched and gets back to shape those 3-4 days of month they have their days? Who knows.

    But just remember that these pussies give birth so you get an idea how amazing anatomy they have right?

  12. #14417
    Quote Originally Posted by Pksimar69  [View Original Post]
    Nice input, however I disagree in some things.

    First of all except for Artemis as you mentioned I don't think that other clubs cost that much to be built. Furniture and all equipment and decor is cheap.

    Regarding 10 % return on investment. Well I think they make much more because if you do the math these clubs make around 7-10 million turn over a year. Running expenses (for which I cannily think about payroll cost as the most expensive) are normally much less maybe 50 % of that. So that is around 45-50 % gross profit before taxation. You.

    Corporate taxation in Germany is 15 % so there you are what remains in pocket.
    I think payroll cost is hardly at over 20%. 10-15% most likely. And 5-10% in food cost considering the cheap factory food Artemis buys in. So Artemis is a goldmine, and the construction was paid back after probably just 2 years. Beyond that it hoes straight to the pocket of the owners.

    50 e entry for guys, and 35 euro entry for girls (25 e tax included), then mainly considering food expenses would still give the owners a very healthy investment risk return!

  13. #14416
    Quote Originally Posted by Pksimar69  [View Original Post]
    You blame it in the food now for their ass getting bigger? LOL I thought it was only. The day fucking thing.

    Next tine you find new young girl at FKK tell her to fuck only with you because if she does it on a daily basis her bones will get wider and her ass bigger, hahaha.

    Regarding food Palace has also good food and that because the chef is Greek.
    Well in FKK girls are shared and on average girls fuck about minimum 500 different penis every year or more. Wow do the math, how many guys these girls have had in their life. It is NASA numbers LOL.

    It is amazing though, how many pounding these girls pussies can take because usually when they come to FKK, they stay like few weeks working almost everyday. Their pussies must be stretched after awhile in FKK, but somehow I sometimes find girls with tight pussies. It must be to do with genes.

  14. #14415
    Quote Originally Posted by Pistons  [View Original Post]
    Many clubs charge over 100 e a day for entry for the girls. This is outrageous. And also why a club like Acapulco who does not charge these outrageous amounts are able to attract top girls even when their 30 min rate is just 40 euro. Acapulco has after what I know managed to hold the entry price for girls as low as 35 euro.
    If WGs stopped paying over a 100 e a day for entry, the clubs would probably be forced to lower the entry. But thousands of WGs will gladly pay that exorbitant entry fee, if it gives them the potential to earn that big money. Many of the clubs that charge WGs over a 100 e day are clubs where the WGs have access to several coveted male demographics: (1) sex tourists, (2) Asians, (3) businessmen, (4) upper class clientele, (5) clientele that are so drunk and drugged out that they will lose track of their money, etc.

    This is no different to people who will pay exorbitant amounts to rent or purchase homes in cities like London, NYC, SF, and Zurich: they simply want access to high paying jobs.

    Frankfurt RLD is also prime real estate, 125 EUR to rent a room per day: https://www.roteshaus.com/mieterinnen.

  15. #14414
    Quote Originally Posted by MrHo  [View Original Post]
    I have to say one of the chef guy at LR is really really nice guy with fantastic smile. Food is not so good yeah, but custard pudding and pasta are safer bet there comparison to other food there. Only good thing about LR is service level of girls being high, even for 50 euro session.

    I am not in FKK to eat, but considering you are stuck there to eat dinner, sometimes even two dinners if you stay long, I would like it if they level up the food. I would say, clubs to stick to pasta with different sauce and pizzas and salad bar, so you cannot go terribly wrong. I also would like soup like they sometimes have OK one at GT.

    I think beside everyday fucking that making FKK girls bones to go wider as years go by and thus ass bigger. It is also actually food they eat at the club making their ass expand in size as years go by in FKK. When you find new young girl at FKK, you must fuck her a lot at the beginning because soon her ass is bigger, she has plastic liquid bags in her boobs, Botox, tattoos among other things as she get polluted into FKK environment.
    LR bald cooker moved to GT, yes 1 LR cooker is really funny, but foods became often very average, at 9. 30 pm nothing anymore to eat in a club closing at 4 am, midnight pizzas are lower quality than before, when you can eat until 2 am at Sharks or Oase, until 1 am at small Gold. When I used to call LR my little Globe in Germany on 2016 and 2017 with great girls like Daria who asked for love, high potential in bed Jeni. Ro and Melissa. Bu, my best FKK girl Eve who played chic, claiming to be selective, but my LR girls on 2019 were not on same level, some new don't even kiss, even little Eva is real fire in bed. When could watch Rolland Garros on June 2016 , or Austin Formula 1 on October 2016, only Bundesliga for staff and friends now, and less clients, and I m sure management is more responsible than me about what became LR. 60 entry is expensive for this, when you don't go for free beer and level of girls is not anymore higher than elsewhere in Germany, I found higher level girls at Gold or Vanilla, Oase.

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