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  1. #13671
    I mentioned I thought it odd that in London sexworkers risk seeing clients in their own home rather than getting a place for their work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pistons  [View Original Post]
    Nothing odd about it. It is like that in all of Europe. And always has been. At least since I was born. The only odd thing here is your subjective pov.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pistons  [View Original Post]
    Lots of girls work from airbnb flats these days. . . ..
    Pistons, I'll let you argue this out with yourself.

    Meanwhile cheers to Steve 9696 for the details.

    FWIW in the US it varies by location and style. What are called "hobby w*h*o*r*e*s" in Germany will sometimes in the US work out of their own place because their appointments are infrequent. And their work habits are less than professional. (That can add a certain frisson.) High-end independents may do this, also because they have fewer dates, and they imagine high-end clients to be less of a threat. (That can be a dangerous assumption.).

    But generally full-timers in the US will have some other place. The risk of stalkers is too great to ignore.

    Steve 9696's post would seem to indicate security risks are not as great, or are considered not as great, overseas.

  2. #13670
    Sorry posted this in the Frankfurt section but its better here I guess.

    How will the FKKs be during orthodox Easter? Specifically in Frankfurt.

    Are they open? Will the girls all fly back home or still decent action?

    Thanks.

  3. #13669
    Lots of girls work from airbnb flats these days. Mainly cause of the immunity and simple ways of getting around the whole pimp question. Someone letting out a flat to a prostitute for 2000-3000 euro a month is by definition pimping her. So he can end up in jail. But with airbnb he lacks the information, and it is more loose.

    Aside from that, it is perfectly normal all over Europe. I had no idea you Americans see this as strange or odd.

  4. #13668
    Quote Originally Posted by Bfsie  [View Original Post]
    With regards to Rolex watch, it is a misconception or in a less diplomatic word an illusion of the mongers with Rolex that having Rolex watch can somehow impress the WGs. The circumstance in FKK clubs and other sex places is not the circumstance of normal real-life dating in which the girls have potential to get certain percentage of the men's financial assets. The WGs know that they are paid an hourly rate, not certain percentage of a monger's asset, and how much they can get from a monger almost entirely depends on how much the monger likes them and therefore how many total hours he would spend with them, not on the monger's wealth.
    That said women, working girls or not, are always sizing men up to determine how well off they are. If a guy can afford a Rolex watch, drives a nice car, wears good clothes, and has his own place in a desirable neighborhood, then her conclusion is going to be that he has some money to spend on her. In fact for some women, I guess we call them "gold diggers", the very fact that a man has means makes him "doable".

    I recall this Romanian tute from several years ago who was sitting next to me at World. She saw my watch and playfully said that she would fuck me for free for a month in exchange for my watch. Well of course, I wasn't interested in any such arrangement (I guess some guys are since a couple of girls over the years have shown me expensive watches tricks have given to them), but I playfully answered her hell no, and that she would have to fuck for free for an entire year to get that watch LOL!

  5. #13667

    Absolutely Incall at Their Place

    Quote Originally Posted by Neurosynth  [View Original Post]
    Not to be argumentative, and you obviously have more London experience than I with in-call (I've done walkups and Phoenix but no in-call). But . . . .

    Are you saying these women take customers where they actually live? I know rent in London is expensive, but the security ramifications of doing that are serious. I would assume that any reasonable sex worker is going to avoid taking customers at home.

    Or maybe you mean they have a place for business, and while working a streak they might stay there overnight, but they also have a home (apartment etc.) elsewhere?

    I just find this odd.

    Thanks!
    This is my experience with Diva and Admiral girls. It is absolutely her place. I didn't believe it at first either.

    My first incall ever was with Stefan via Admiral (Heidi on Diva). At her place I noticed a picture of a little girl. And she had some stuffed animals behind the curtains. But I thought surely this wasn't her real flat. But who would go to the trouble of staging this way? Still I left thinking maybe that is all part of the act.

    Second incall was with Fiona. I fell in love the first night and booked her for a four hour dinner date later in the week. I arranged it to be in room time, then dinner, then back to the room. To dress for dinner she asks me what I like and I say a little black dress. So I am sitting on her bed and she is two feet away getting an LBD from her closet. Then she gets out two pairs of fuck-me heels and lets me choose my favorite. Now that is personal.

    More recently I came home late with a girl and met her two flat mates. One in the kitchen and one in her bed watching Netflix in a wife beater T-shirt! Both are WGs I recognize from the website.

    Over the years I've chatted with the girls about rent and it is very high. Very modest and slightly dumpy flats are 2000 - 3000 a month. But it's part of the expense and lifestyle. A good girl even in the low price range is probably making 500 / day. The old rule of thumb was pay no more than a weeks gross income (and most people exceed that) and this is all net. I am sure quite a few girls struggle Diva adds at least one new girl a day. But if I are successful the rent is no problem just the cost of doing business.

    Anyhow back to the original thread yes 100% positive these are their real living quarters and it feels very personal. I appreciate they would share not only time but space with me.

  6. #13666

    Absolutely Incall at Their Place

    Quote Originally Posted by Neurosynth  [View Original Post]
    Not to be argumentative, and you obviously have more London experience than I with in-call (I've done walkups and Phoenix but no in-call). But . . . .

    Are you saying these women take customers where they actually live? I know rent in London is expensive, but the security ramifications of doing that are serious. I would assume that any reasonable sex worker is going to avoid taking customers at home.

    Or maybe you mean they have a place for business, and while working a streak they might stay there overnight, but they also have a home (apartment etc.) elsewhere?

    I just find this odd.

    Thanks!
    This is my experience with Diva and Admiral girls. It is absolutely her place. I didn't believe it at first either.

    My first incall ever was with Stefany via Admiral (Heidi on Diva). At her place I noticed a picture of a little girl. And she had some stuffed animals behind the curtains. But I thought surely this wasn't her real flat. But who would go to the trouble of staging this way? Still I left thinking maybe that is all part of the act.

    Second incall was with Fiona. I fell in love the first night and booked her for a four hour dinner date later in the week. I arranged it to be in room time, then dinner, then back to the room. To dress for dinner she asks me what I like and I say a little black dress. So I am sitting on her bed and she is two feet away getting an LBD from her closet. Then she gets out two pairs of fuck-me heels and lets me choose my favorite. Now that is personal.

    More recently a girl introduced me to her two hot flat mates. One in the kitchen and one in her bed watching Netflix in a wife beater T-shirt! Both are WGs I recognize from the website. Just experience after experience where its clear you are in her personal space.

    Over the years I've chatted with the girls about rent and it is very high. Very modest and slightly dumpy flats are 2000 - 3000 a month. But it's part of the expense and lifestyle. A good girl even in the low price range is probably making 500 / day. The old rule of thumb was pay no more than a weeks gross income (and most people exceed that) and this is all net. I am sure many girls struggle. Diva adds at least one new girl a day. But if Uare successful, the rent is no problem. just the cost of doing business.

    Anyhow back to the original thread yes 100% positive these are their real living quarters and it feels very personal. I appreciate they would share not only time but space with me.

  7. #13665
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    Recommend Kendall. Neutral on Talita (skinny not my thing). Strongest recommend for Rivetta, Cambria, and Fortune.

    Anyways hope this is useful to some of my FKK buddies as you travel the world.
    Thanks for the London escort update! Diva is the one and only place I go for action when I'm in London, and all my experiences except for one were great. Some of the escorts I used to see appear to be gone (Lena, for example), but it's good to hear that the looks and service are still the high quality that they have been past years, and I'm looking forward to my next London visit. Cheers!

  8. #13664
    Quote Originally Posted by Neurosynth  [View Original Post]
    Not to be argumentative, and you obviously have more London experience than I with in-call (I've done walkups and Phoenix but no in-call). But . . . .

    Are you saying these women take customers where they actually live? I know rent in London is expensive, but the security ramifications of doing that are serious. I would assume that any reasonable sex worker is going to avoid taking customers at home.

    Or maybe you mean they have a place for business, and while working a streak they might stay there overnight, but they also have a home (apartment etc.) elsewhere?

    I just find this odd.

    Thanks!
    Girls do not live at incall locations. They work there and may share the place with other girls. Some girls rent a hotel room and are gone in a day or two.

  9. #13663
    Quote Originally Posted by Neurosynth  [View Original Post]
    Not to be argumentative, and you obviously have more London experience than I with in-call (I've done walkups and Phoenix but no in-call). But.

    Are you saying these women take customers where they actually live? I know rent in London is expensive, but the security ramifications of doing that are such that any reasonable sex worker is going to avoid doing that like the plague.

    Or maybe you mean they have a place for business, and while working a streak they might stay there overnight, but they also have a home (apartment etc.) elsewhere?

    I just find this odd.

    Thanks!
    Nothing odd about it. It is like that in all of Europe. And always has been. At least since I was born. The only odd thing here is your subjective pov.

  10. #13662
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    . . .
    I love the incall because I personally love being with a girl in HER room. You are having sex in the same bed she will sleep in later that night! It just seems very intimate.
    Not to be argumentative, and you obviously have more London experience than I with in-call (I've done walkups and Phoenix but no in-call). But . . . .

    Are you saying these women take customers where they actually live? I know rent in London is expensive, but the security ramifications of doing that are serious. I would assume that any reasonable sex worker is going to avoid taking customers at home.

    Or maybe you mean they have a place for business, and while working a streak they might stay there overnight, but they also have a home (apartment etc.) elsewhere?

    I just find this odd.

    Thanks!

  11. #13661

    Quickie Guide to London

    If you are traveling to London, know that prostitution is legal. Just brothels and public solicitation are illegal. The big win is the incall scene in London with absolutely great girls at 200/ HR. Yes more than FKK but that is true almost everywhere. And you know exactly what you will get in the room because it's listed clearly on the website (at least the one I use).

    I love the incall because I personally love being with a girl in HER room. You are having sex in the same bed she will sleep in later that night! It just seems very intimate. Here are quick notes on a few girls I've seen recently and why you might choose one of the other. Bear in mind my taste runs to petite Romanian girls with dark eyes and dark hair. They are all on www.divaescort.com and look as good or better than their pictures.

    Talita - If you like skinny girls, she is a great choice. Not true GFE in the sense of emotional connection and kissing was very light. But solid BBBJ and CIM and takes direction well. Looks like her pics a bit exotic / mid eastern. Nice flat.

    Kendall - Killer optics. And if you are a tit man, she is the one. Full natural Dee cups on a slim frame. Black hair to her ass. Solid service and very chill vibe. Amazing flat in nice part of town.

    Rivetta - If BBBJ is your thing, she is the one. The best BBBJ I've ever had. Pretty girl. Dynamite smile. Very accommodating and really strong service. Tiny little adequate flat.

    Fortune - If optics is key for you, she is the one. Unbelievable face and smile. Great large Bee cup tits and an ass that could launch a thousand ships. Solid service but light kissing. But OMG the optics. And a great bubbly personality. Flat lobby is dicey but bedroom is fine.

    Cambria - If simulating a real girlfriend is your thing, she is the one. True GFE not just in services but in emotional connection. Deep meaningful DFK (YMMV) And unlike some girls who politely sip, she will party with you and kill a bottle of wine. Super fun and hot! Nice enough clean flat she shares with two equally hot roommates. So if you need a duo.

    Recommend Kendall. Neutral on Talita (skinny not my thing). Strongest recommend for Rivetta, Cambria, and Fortune.

    Anyways hope this is useful to some of my FKK buddies as you travel the world.

  12. #13660
    Quote Originally Posted by Gino02  [View Original Post]
    Were they practicing Catholic girls? I love girls who are true Catholics! 😁.
    I think the praying one is a Catholic because she made the sign of the cross several times in front of me. I don't know what the other girl's religion is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Ho  [View Original Post]
    I guess relying on religion during hard situation is better than relying on alcohol, drugs or pimp. I wonder what she prayed to god before and after the session, I assume it must got to do with sins including her sins and customers, ...
    I agree with your assumption except that I don't think she included and cared my sins. LOL.




    Following is not related to Gino02 and Mr Ho's posts.

    With regards to Rolex watch, it is a misconception or in a less diplomatic word an illusion of the mongers with Rolex that having Rolex watch can somehow impress the WGs. The circumstance in FKK clubs and other sex places is not the circumstance of normal real-life dating in which the girls have potential to get certain percentage of the men's financial assets. The WGs know that they are paid an hourly rate, not certain percentage of a monger's asset, and how much they can get from a monger almost entirely depends on how much the monger likes them and therefore how many total hours he would spend with them, not on the monger's wealth.

    I think that instead of working on the next Rolex, mongers should work on their physical appearances and sophistication which can definitely impress the WGs. We here often talk about whether this or that WG is doable. By the same token, mongers should try to be doable in the eyes of most WGs. Whether a monger is doable or not in the eye of a WG makes tremendous difference in terms of the WG's affection and service and decides whether the trend of the monger-WG relationship will be going up or staying flat by the hours he spends with her. So work on physical appearance and sophistication and be doable.

  13. #13659
    Quote Originally Posted by Arnold15  [View Original Post]
    Locals and smoke at LR were also big problems for me.

    In the winter, there was too much smoke inside with opened windows letting cold winds coming in. I had nowhere to go except for the relax area downstairs.

    In the summer, there was no air condition. So rooms became so hot that it was almost impossible to have sex there.

    Maintenance and renovation necessary at LR.

    And a smoking free lounge, please.
    These smoke full FKK main bar is actually not popular among girls too because they do not like to wash hair every day with shampoo, many girls like to wash hair with shampoo every other day or every third day or even bit more and these smoke do not allow them to do that, but to wash it every day with shampoo to take the smell of smoke off their hair.

    In club like Artemis, one can escape from main bar and locate yourself at stair way to catch girls etc. But in LR, only place I can think of to escape from main bar area to catch girl is. Hmmm maybe sofa front of entrance reception where girls come down from upstairs. , but it is odd place to stay for long time facing reception. At least you can open window in LR during summer and there are many window in main bar in LR, at Artemis. Windows are shut with curtain during summer too, so main bar is filled with smoke with bad ventilation trying to take out the smoke that does not really work.

    I used to love palace for being no smoke in main bar due to glass smoking room, but I hear they took it out.

    I like oceans for big club when it comes to smoking because there is a glass smoking room there in side by the door to session rooms and also outside smoking room is there too together with out side area, so it is comfy to stay in main bar without smoke.

  14. #13658
    Quote Originally Posted by Gino02  [View Original Post]
    Were they practicing Catholic girls? I love girls who are true Catholics! 😁.
    Usually they are Orthodox. Well, they usually all more or less believe in similar imaginary thing.

    They see Jesus, I see Indica via my legal herbs in Germany LOL!

  15. #13657
    Quote Originally Posted by Bfsie  [View Original Post]
    I don't think that they go home during religious holidays is because they are religious. If they were really religious, they would not be in this business. I had two girls from Eastern European country (not Romania), one prayed to God in front of me right before and after the session and the other put a photo of Jesus Christ on her table, claiming he is her boyfriend. But they all fucked like porn stars during the sessions...
    I guess relying on religion during hard situation is better than relying on alcohol, drugs or pimp. I wonder what she prayed to god before and after the session, I assume it must got to do with sins including her sins and customers, so you hit two bird with one stone, you got sex and prater included in one session and maybe forgiveness too.

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