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  1. #11010
    Quote Originally Posted by Neurosynth  [View Original Post]
    FWIW "loverboy" is also a Dutch term of art for a certain kind of pimp. These are guys who prey on very young naive girls, often rural, who are seduced and then psychologically manipulated into working in window-style prostitution. I think the term has widened in use over the years.
    I am very glad you brought this up because I saw many posters used the word "loverboy" which actually doesn't have exactly the same meaning as boyfriend (BF). You are right that Dutch use it to a pimp for young girl. Loverboy should mean a man who provides a girl, usually a young girl, with his love which she is addicted to as a chemical substance just like cocaine and other addictive substances for exchange of her sex and money if he convinces her into prostitution. The key feature of loverboy is love and the girl involved must be addicted to his love.

    On the word boyfriend, the girl in the relationship of boyfriend and girlfriend doesn't have to be addicted to his love and can be without his love. So boyfriend is not necessarily a loverboy. Loverboy is not necessarily a boyfriend. These two words have different meaning.

    I think that in general if the girl is between 18 and 20, we could call her male friend her loverboy because the girls in these ages are much more vulnerable to love. If the girl is 21 or more, it is better to call her male friend her boyfriend because the relationship is much more than just love if any.

  2. #11009
    Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis  [View Original Post]

    What is the typical seduction process? Specifically the part of the seduction process where you are still a customer paying market rate. Six one hour sessions over a two month period? Two three hour sessions over a week? How many sessions before it becomes free? In both the above scenarios I would consider the customer "in the hole". Or in casino speak, down 600 EUR. Do you ever break even or profit from your original investment? Meaning she starts to pay for more things than you pay for?
    Just like any other local monger, I monger normally and don't "invest" on any WG for the purpose of being their loverboy for free session. I did between 120 and 140 sessions a year. But I am a cheap guy and most of my sessions were 30 min with cost of about 70 euro per 30-min session on average. Once in a while I found the girl whom I liked a lot, so I did more sessions with her. For this particular girl, I did 7 or 8 30-min normal sessions before starting to get free session. But I don't consider they were the "investment" because I had good time with her and would do her anyway even if I don't get free session now. I admit I have special feeling for her and care about her. I have my moral standard and don't ask her for anything except free sex.

    I think that for local mongers like you, after 4 sessions with the WG within relatively short period of time, you can start to make a move because by that time she knows that you have special interest in her and are not a "normal" monger for her. But the key is that you HAVE TO select the girl at 18 or 19 years old (preferably 18) and it won't work if she is over 19. During the later sessions, you should start to make some romantic comments like I like you a lot, you are beautiful and so on.

    Just to be clear, I will never get into serious relationship with any WG like boyfriend and girlfriend relationship. It is just not for me. But loverboy is different with BF as I will explain in my next post.

  3. #11008
    Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis  [View Original Post]
    For the record, I don't think I was ever dismissive toward you or anybody else. I try my best not to deny anybody's experiences, because I obviously was not there. My intent is to get posters to open up with more info. Why? Because I am sure readers would like to benchmark their experiences against people like yourself, in order to assess if if they have / had something "real" with their WG.

    What is the typical seduction process? Specifically the part of the seduction process where you are still a customer paying market rate. Six one hour sessions over a two month period? Two three hour sessions over a week? How many sessions before it becomes free? In both the above scenarios I would consider the customer "in the hole". Or in casino speak, down 600 EUR. Do you ever break even or profit from your original investment? Meaning she starts to pay for more things than you pay for? This assumes you actually spend time together where opportunities exist for both parties to spend money on one another (shopping, dining, traveling, night clubs, etc)..
    Can we stop the "size" comparison? I take anything said with a grain of salt because it cannot be verified and people embellish or have faulty memories. When it come to seduction, you either have game or are just a looker.

  4. #11007
    Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis  [View Original Post]
    I'd say most girls in their early 20's are still idealistic. They still believe in "romantic love". If money was a primary concern, then Romanian women in their early-20's would never hook up with Romanian guys their own age (truck drivers, construction workers. Etc). This holds true even for some of the money-worshiping Romanian WGs, many of which are early 20's.
    Most normal girls from affluent backgrounds remain idealistic for a while but girls who come from poverty lose their idealism much much earlier. But that doesn't mean they would never date a poor guy. Jaded, money hungry women all over the world still get in relationships with broke, loser boyfriends well into there 30's. Women are inconsistent and incongruent so the words always and never should hardly ever be used to describe their actions.

    But as far as Romanian WGs, I don't know many of them who date poor Romanian boys. Most vehemently seem to avoid them. I do see quite a few drawn to the pompous money flaunting Turkish-Romanian guys.

    The one Romanian WG that I know for sure who is now currently dating a literal truck driver, well that's the one who was with me for 9 months. So she must be bat shit crazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis  [View Original Post]
    But once a girls reaches age 30, things change: a prospective man's income starts to take on more importance. This turning point can happen sooner too. It's dependent on cultural factors as well: (1) average marrying age, (2) prevalence of single mothers, (3) how negative society's view towards "gold diggers" are.
    For Romanians, I would say quite earlier. Doesn't seem like the gold digger stigma has quite as negative a stigma in Romanian culture as compared to most other societies. Where I live, the American South, the first 2 factors apply. So in my reality of local girls and Romanian WGs, 25 seems to be more the age where women change.

  5. #11006

    Meaning of "Loverboy"

    FWIW "loverboy" is also a Dutch term of art for a certain kind of pimp. These are guys who prey on very young naive girls, often rural, who are seduced and then psychologically manipulated into working in window-style prostitution. I think the term has widened in use over the years.

  6. #11005
    Quote Originally Posted by Takedown  [View Original Post]
    I think this is a bit too idealistic a view of caring. I hold the view that most people are good, but also that most people are very selfish. A woman can still care for you but still use you because she is also selfish. Teamwork in relationships and self sacrifice is unfortunately much harder to find from attractive women these days. And the ones who fit that bill usually gets scooped up by the time they're 25.
    I'd say most girls in their early 20's are still idealistic. They still believe in "romantic love". If money was a primary concern, then Romanian women in their early-20's would never hook up with Romanian guys their own age (truck drivers, construction workers. Etc). This holds true even for some of the money-worshiping Romanian WGs, many of which are early 20's.

    But once a girls reaches age 30, things change: a prospective man's income starts to take on more importance. This turning point can happen sooner too. It's dependent on cultural factors as well: (1) average marrying age, (2) prevalence of single mothers, (3) how negative society's view towards "gold diggers" are.

  7. #11004
    Quote Originally Posted by Bfsie  [View Original Post]
    First all in this particular case of mine quoted in your post, what I meant "lover-boy" (the term contains more meaning of LOVE than BF) means that (1) I don't pay her for sex. (2) I know she is in love with me from my extensive experience which makes me know what is real and what is fake as you probably know me by now from your previous posts that I am not a dumb guy. I can be her real BF if I want to, but I choose not to because I want to leave my door open to do other girls, meaning I don't live with her and see her about 1.5 times a week. By the way, this case is not my first time and I had many same or similar cases before.
    For the record, I don't think I was ever dismissive toward you or anybody else. I try my best not to deny anybody's experiences, because I obviously was not there. My intent is to get posters to open up with more info. Why? Because I am sure readers would like to benchmark their experiences against people like yourself, in order to assess if if they have / had something "real" with their WG.

    What is the typical seduction process? Specifically the part of the seduction process where you are still a customer paying market rate. Six one hour sessions over a two month period? Two three hour sessions over a week? How many sessions before it becomes free? In both the above scenarios I would consider the customer "in the hole". Or in casino speak, down 600 EUR. Do you ever break even or profit from your original investment? Meaning she starts to pay for more things than you pay for? This assumes you actually spend time together where opportunities exist for both parties to spend money on one another (shopping, dining, traveling, night clubs, etc).

    If you are truly both only in it for sexual gratification as fuck buddies, then essentially she would just text you when she wants, then she would come over to fuck you for three hours, then leave. Only cost to you is maybe a 4 EUR bottle of wine that you had lying around. Since most of the time spent together is inside of a hotel room or flat, you would probably never recover your 600 EUR (unless she started bringing meals and gifts to you, paid with by her own money). Regardless, if you get six months of absolutely free sex from just a 600 EUR investment, I am sure all of us can agree, that is an extremely positive outcome.

  8. #11003
    Quote Originally Posted by Sirioja  [View Original Post]
    When I decided to stop with my LR Eve on 12 October night, because of her public foreplay on that night when we had a great day less than 1 week ago when she was free whole day for me, I knew what I lost, but couldn't look at her anymore as a woman, but just a prostitute, so not anymore desirable as I wrote to her. Because she was told about my writings by some jealous guys before I stopped with her, I told her I would never name her, so she knew these guys just need to bullshit because they never read her name, when I never named and will never name her. Since October, she changed her way for business and for look.

    Working hard in whole FKK land, from Hamburg where I had beauty Linda. De, to Globe where I had top sexy, super GFE girls making you feel they are in love with you, I had super GFE Fabienne at YY, Kity as often I wanted, a exceptional German escort, some high level German girls at GT, sometimes from Thursday night to Monday night, but every week end in FKK land, but I only find again a new Eve on last week end, more than 8 months to find a real new Eve..
    8 months, more than 80 days in FKK land, from Hamburg to Zurich, through NRW and Hessen, not so easy to find a Eve.

  9. #11002
    Quote Originally Posted by Bfsie  [View Original Post]
    I don't completely agree with your statement above if I understand you correctly.

    First all in this particular case of mine quoted in your post, what I meant "lover-boy" (the term contains more meaning of LOVE than BF) means that (1) I don't pay her for sex. (2) I know she is in love with me from my extensive experience which makes me know what is real and what is fake as you probably know me by now from your previous posts that I am not a dumb guy. I can be her real BF if I want to, but I choose not to because I want to leave my door open to do other girls, meaning I don't live with her and see her about 1.5 times a week. By the way, this case is not my first time and I had many same or similar cases before..
    I don't look for love with prostitutes who are fucked by everybody, but I look for pleasure in my mind which is much more important for me than emptying balls. I don't beg with girls, I don't ask them anything, I wait they will to please me, so I behave to give them will to please me. It doesn't work so bad for me. When you really make them cum, most don't seem to really cum often, because they look at you like a alien, ask to have a short break, to go to toilets, and don't look at you in same way.

    On Friday night, I made cum with violent orgasm, repeated on Saturday night also very deep, so she asked if I wanted to come again on Sunday, when I was only a 100 for 1 h room on both nights and she had a client who fucked her many times on both day for 500 per day, but I preferred to repeat with my top class old girl, 25 yo, on Sunday. I have my respect they feel, manners they see, and skill they experience, with girls. I learned all from my love with my exceptional girlfriends in real life. For last 2, I made them asking for sex, never heard about headache, last one asked me when she was very horny from period, to fuck her, with her blood on me. It's just nature, nothing dirty.

  10. #11001
    If there are so few Romani from Romania, then how do you explain the Manele music industry? You do realise that this is a purely Romani thing right? Or that so many of the girls even have Romani cultural shirts even with them at work for late night partying.

    Personally I have come to like Romani quite a bit from having met these girls in FKK's. And I find them fascinating. As persons they are impossible to tell the difference of from other people though, but the partying spirit is nice.

  11. #11000
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulInZurich  [View Original Post]
    Nope, according to a census, 3% of Romanian populations declare themselves gypsies. There are probably more, since being gypsy is seen as a negative in Romania so they don't all declare themselves as such, but from 3 to 33% there is a huge difference. Go to Bucharest or Cluj and see for yourself.
    Gypsie or not Gypsie, as long as she is stunner level beautiful girls, then it is OK by my penis LOL.

  12. #10999
    Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis  [View Original Post]

    And every one of them had a real BF in their 20's who made average salaries but got to fuck them for free.
    I don't completely agree with your statement above if I understand you correctly.

    First all in this particular case of mine quoted in your post, what I meant "lover-boy" (the term contains more meaning of LOVE than BF) means that (1) I don't pay her for sex. (2) I know she is in love with me from my extensive experience which makes me know what is real and what is fake as you probably know me by now from your previous posts that I am not a dumb guy. I can be her real BF if I want to, but I choose not to because I want to leave my door open to do other girls, meaning I don't live with her and see her about 1.5 times a week. By the way, this case is not my first time and I had many same or similar cases before.

    I agree with you that any young girl can only LOVE one man (her lover-boy or BF) at the time. But I disagree with you that that man has to be in his 20's if that is what you meant. There were a ton of cases that young school-girls in their teens were in love with and ran away with their middle-aged teachers, just for an obvious example.



    Footnote: If any reader is inspired by my case, I give you one important tip. Only try the girls at 18 and 19 years old (preferably 18) and do not try any girl over 20 because most likely it won't work and the girls over 20 are mature enough not (or very difficult) to be seduced into love.

  13. #10998

    Doh!

    Quote Originally Posted by Polyamorist  [View Original Post]
    Did you know that Romanians originally came from India? A thousand years ago they crossed over from the Punjab. Much of the Romanian language is still Sanskrit.
    Oh man!
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  14. #10997
    Quote Originally Posted by PaulInZurich  [View Original Post]
    Nope, according to a census, 3% of Romanian populations declare themselves gypsies. There are probably more, since being gypsy is seen as a negative in Romania so they don't all declare themselves as such, but from 3 to 33% there is a huge difference. Go to Bucharest or Cluj and see for yourself.
    Agreed. People who associate Romani gypsies with Romania just haven't done their research and fell victim to the early 2000's inaccurate association of gypsies with Romania. A lot of Gypsies left Eastern Europe in the 90's after communism fell and even more left Romania when it entered the EU in 2007. People who didn't know better just associated Romani gypsies with Romania. Simply put, these people were easily tricked by the similar sounding names, Romanian and Romani.

    Gypsies are found everywhere, 1.5 million estimated in Spain versus 500,000 estimated in Romania. France, Hungary, Bulgaria, Turkey, Russia all have more Romani people. Heck, the USA has twice as many people of Romani ancestry than Romania. Just about the only European countries that do not have more Romani than Romania are small countries or WWII German occupied states, and that's because the Germans killed them all!

  15. #10996
    Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis  [View Original Post]
    That's probably a good sign that you probably made her temporarily forget. But some additional context might help:

    How long was the first room? How far into the second room did she utter "Cum in my mouth. No charge"?
    1 hour the first time and second session was towards the end of an hour 5 days later. I just came back from Amsterdam with some supplies and I told her that it was difficult to finish when I I smoke a lot of herb.

    Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis  [View Original Post]
    Sometimes advertising campaigns target women. Romantic comedy is a genre of movie that resonates with women. So the people behind the production must understand the woman psyche. What makes them laugh, what makes them cry, what turns them on.
    I laugh, cry, and get turned on when watching RomComs too!

    Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis  [View Original Post]
    I had some luck with civilian women, particularly early in life. Now I am just a "has-been" who resorts to seeing WGs. My relative success might contribute to my bias: If a woman truly cares for you, she will not allow you to pay for her lifestyle. This assumes, of course, she has some income of her own.
    I think this is a bit too idealistic a view of caring. I hold the view that most people are good, but also that most people are very selfish. A woman can still care for you but still use you because she is also selfish. Teamwork in relationships and self sacrifice is unfortunately much harder to find from attractive women these days. And the ones who fit that bill usually gets scooped up by the time they're 25.

    Anyway, it doesn't matters if you're just wanting to spend some time with a young attractive girl without risking feeling like a creep hitting on cute girls 15 years younger than you in your home environment.

    Quote Originally Posted by McAdonis  [View Original Post]
    I don't doubt that there are good-looking charming FKK customers. But to a drop-dead gorgeous 21 yo, such men would be a dime a dozen in her private life. She goes to Ibiza, gets invited to VIP suite, and meets such men. She does some photo-shoots, meets some male models. She can choose to have flings and relationships with any one of them. These civilian men would not know she is a WG. They would never hand money to her, and thus she will never feel like she is a WG. They would have never fucked her in the same brothel room where she's fucked 500 other men. In short, when she is with a good-looking, charming civilian man, she will never be reminded that she is a WG.
    I do agree that the girl would probably prefer to be found with civilian men so she wouldn't feel like a working girl.

    I think some calibration needs to be made. Most of these girls are not drop dead gorgeous. In fact when I see their Facebook profiles most of them actually look quite ordinary. And the few I've seen in public, I don't remember being all that impressed with the way they made themselves up, dresses, or carried themselves. A different story when I see them in sleepwear when walking up to the Sharks dorms though, LOL. Anyway, point is I don't think most of these girls would stand out when next to normally attractive civilians much less be found at a modeling shoot.

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