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  1. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by JonathanPine  [View Original Post]
    I agree with the previous posts here, from several years ago, that provincial girls are conservative compares to girls say like in New York.
    JP, Thanks for the field report! Precious little information about girls in the provinces. But I totally agree with you, if you cannot cross the language barrier MOST, but not all, punters are going to have a tough time making ay real progress in the provinces. As you say in your other post, better to stay in Moscow and enjoy Night Flight if you cannot get past basic level of conversation in Russian.

  2. #39

    Part two, plus Yaroslavl

    I agree with the previous posts here, from several years ago, that provincial girls are conservative compares to girls say like in New York.

    Therefore I recommended taking an extended time enrolling in local university or simply living in the city. Yeah I know that's impossible for most of us.

    Yaroslavl is only 3 hours by train from Moscow, compares to the 7 hours to Ivanovo, night train only. So Yaroslavl is more accessible to punters coming from Moscow. Yaroslavl is also more economically more advanced than Ivanovo.

    The average income is higher. People dress decidedly better in downtown area than in Ivanovo. More German cars, too. Shopping center, across the street from Premiere Hotel, more upscale than the crappy Silver City in Ivanovo. In fact some people, both men and women, move from Ivanovo to Yaroslavl to work for the better pay. Yaroslavl is also prettier than the rundown Ivanovo.

    The people are friendly.

    The good news for you punters is I did have two girls telling me, grudgingly, that I as a krasivi chap now having twice the purchasing power in Russia due to the collapse of ruble and the lack of men anywhere in Russia, that I could get any girl I want in Russia. My Russian skill wasn't so good but I knew it could be an important piece of info so I asked them to explain again, specifically where in Russia is lacking men. The older girl, 26, told me "everywhere!

    Well the bad news is, she has a boyfriend, been together 5 years already.

    So again, I urge you younger chaps to enroll in a university in Russia, so you'd have more opportunities to meet Russian girls before they are off the market. Going back to the earlier point that they are conservative, that while they might think some of us are quite the catch, but they are unlikely to ditch their boyfriends. They're loyal.

    Yeah Russian guys are the luckiest sons of bitches and mofos on the planet.

    By the way I do speak basic Russian and can read and write basic Russian as well. I don't think I could've navigate to Ivanovo and Yaroslavl without language skills. I also communicated with people in Russian, albeit broken Russian.

    For the expats and punters without language skills or the time, my advice would be to stay in Moscow and go to Night Flight. It'd be more cost effective and much simpler. It was what I did 10 years ago as a newbie.

  3. #38
    Went to Ivanovo. I knew beforehand the nickname City of Brides no longer applied because all the textile factories had closed down so I had no expectations.

    The city seems a bit run down, not a lot of girls between the age of 22-30. I think many moved on to Moscow to find better career opportunities after finishing universities, like most cities in the golden ring. Moscow sucks the life.

    Out of most cities within several hour train rides distance. People in Ivanovo are friendly, if not depressed. It's one of the poorest regions in Russia.

    Didn't try local night clubs so not much to report here. Best Western is the best local hotel, 10 minutes walk to city center.

    My impression is that (I could be wrong) girls in provincial Russia, especially cities and towns only several hours away from Moscow, wouldn't sell themselves short and just fuck any guy, foreign or local. They know their true market value.

    If they simply go to Moscow or even abroad which they do on average twice a year, usually to cheap countries like Turkey and Egypt where they are swarmed by guys.

    So from a quick laid standpoint Russia is not a good choice. The advice I have for you punters is to enroll in a local university with Russian students so you would have more chance develop friendship and relationships the old fashioned way with coeds, just like back home.

    But of course this is beyond most of our realistic options.

    No taking a Russian language class won't help as you would be in a class with African and Arab guys, not with Russian girls.

    Of course one could also go to English department in local university to pretend lost and chat with girls, but I also wouldn't recommend this because since the girls already speak English, they know very well they can easily move to Western countries and reach their maximum market value. They might still chat with you to practice English, but not much more.

    I also noticed that very few tall girls, I think the reason is they moved to Moscow as well.

    I went to Ivanovo just for the hell of it, just so I can tell myself I finally got to City of Brides, Ura! Only 20 years too late.

  4. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by YummyPL  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for the reports. I am headed to Samara in a few weeks and your reports are part of my inspiration. I return to Moscow at the end of my trip. I hope I don't also find disappointment.
    Enjoy the trip! The only things I had regretted in the past was not having the energy to kick on after a 'date' didn't turn out the way I wanted it. E. G. Going out clubbing after into the night. The 'dating' I was doing wasn't the type of girl to jump into bed on the first date, unfortunately, but meeting a girl out at a club with a little alcohol in the mix probably makes it easier if time is limited. With all the experience so far there has not yet been a girl into bed on the first date with the exception of messing around a little with girls at the dacha parties, but these were already with some fun and games with alcohol and not formal meeting or date. Kinda like I was being pimped out by my friends to Russian girls who he knew wanted a little fun. The conversation went something like this,"We are going out to the dacha to BBQ and drink, do you want to come? There is a single girl I want you to meet, if you like each other you have some romance, if not then we just have fun anyway."

    I think I read somewhere here another member commenting that it can takes some dates and time to get things going and I agree with this. I'm not sure if you communicate in Russian with the girls? This would definitely make things easier in the initial meeting, but once able to pin point a dev prepared to communicate in english / Russian it makes little difference I think. There is still an element of being exotic not speaking Russian.

  5. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by DavidVanSchuma  [View Original Post]
    After 3 months in provincial Russia I was back in Moscow for a day business related.
    Thanks for the reports. I am headed to Samara in a few weeks and your reports are part of my inspiration. I return to Moscow at the end of my trip. I hope I don't also find disappointment.

  6. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by DavidVanSchuma  [View Original Post]
    Rarely was there a weekend where a single Russian girl would allow me to sleep alone (out of safety of course).
    Yours, or hers?

    After 3 months in provincial Russia I was back in Moscow for a day business related. It was probably a bad time of day (10h00) because I was wondering where all the girls are? I only saw tourists, men, older people and only occasionally an attractive girl.
    They are probably all at the dacha.

    The first time I arrived in Moscow I was blown away with the attractive women but now I found it mediocre.
    We should all have this problem.

    Thanks for your reports. Most of the guys here will never get beyond the Garden Ring, except on their way to the airport. You have given us a view into a world that few will ever see.

  7. #34
    I've been a little busy lately with girls and work. It's been a few weeks of crazy times. Blonde model-like girl came back from vacation in Ukraine and after a few dates was in bed with her regularly. I also was still with the hot brunette mostly every night I wasn't with the blonde but I still had a few opportunities for some fun on the side. I had a few people invite me out to their dachas for the weekend, mostly through Russian male friends who was going with groups of friends which was usually a mixture of girls and guys. Rarely was there a weekend where a single Russian girl would allow me to sleep alone (out of safety of course).

    After 3 months in provincial Russia I was back in Moscow for a day business related. It was probably a bad time of day (10h00) because I was wondering where all the girls are? I only saw tourists, men, older people and only occasionally an attractive girl. The first time I arrived in Moscow I was blown away with the attractive women but now I found it mediocre.

    My time in Ivanovo is coming to an end unfortunately. If I was in the market for a wife I would definitely be considering taking one of the girls home with me but how to decide if it was an option? Maybe for a later time in life when I will be back for life circumstances have changed.

  8. #33

    Summer in the dachas.

    Never saw a city so deserted! Walking around on a Friday morning, on streets that normally are jammed with traffic, saw just a couple of cars. No buses, no trolleys, no electrichkas. Fortunately, there are some ladies from the countryside villages that pop in to the city for a night here and there, they stay in the cheap hostels.

    Almost everybody else at the dachas.

    Tried a few dozen old numbers without much hope, but got lucky with one hit, actually from a sponsorette that had given me her number last year, though we never met.

    Met her this time, though. Very nice.

  9. #32

    Impressions

    Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsky  [View Original Post]
    Someday, if you do meet a woman that you would truly like to impress, find out what is her birthday, remember it and celebrate it. Very few things will impress a Russian woman more than a man who remembers and celebrates her birthday.
    Very true, I would say.

    Also, flowers and a some kind of occasion on the 8th of March (International Women's Day) goes down well.

    In our part of the world, you'd probably get them thrown back at you but Slavic - ie, feminine - women appreciate that it's 'their' day.

    Kinda like a mini-birthday, if you make the effort...

  10. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by DavidVanSchuma  [View Original Post]
    She was very cold and just wasn't interested in flirting to make things a little easier for me. I've been experiencing lately that Russian women are not very good at flirtatious behavior. For example, they don't get close to try to allow a man a chance to make the final move, and they are often not very affectionate to a person they are dating.
    I'm not sure you can make that generalization about all Russian/Slavic women. My experience is that Russian women can be extremely flirtatious and coquettish, if the mood strikes them or it is to their advantage. And this has nothing to do with province vs. city. If your Russian girlfriend is not responding, it's because she has made a choice not to.

    One thing I think I might need to correct was that I considered them conservative. Actually I would like to change this opinion to protective of their feelings. Slavic women definitely have very very strong emotions when it comes to their man, and they are simply protecting themselves from have these feelings broken. Probably the Muscovite girls become a little more relaxed on these matters.
    Russian women can be deceptive. Given Russia's northern geography, it's easy to assume that Russian women should be like Northern European or Scandinavian women. But in terms of emotion and temperament, they are much more Mediterranean.

    One of the archetypes for Slavic women is the Снежная Королева "Snow Queen". But, as you know, under that frozen exterior there is a force of nature waiting to be awakened. And as you also discovered last Saturday night at the night club, thawing out the snow queen is half the fun!

    But she got out for what I assumed to be to say good bye and the taxi drove off.
    Yes, when the taxi drives away and she's still standing there, you can pretty much assume total capitulation.

  11. #30

    Yet more provincial adventures.

    So I have seen it written somewhere in the Moscow thread, the dating scene is unpredictable even at the best of times. I thought my weekend was going to get off to a good start. I made some good progression with the brunette but come Friday night she had gone from hot back to cold. I finally got her to my apartment and taking into account my other experiences thought this was a sure thing. A bad prediction. She was very cold and just wasn't interested in flirting to make things a little easier for me. I've been experiencing lately that Russian women are not very good at flirtatious behavior. For example, they don't get close to try to allow a man a chance to make the final move, and they are often not very affectionate to a person they are dating.

    One thing I think I might need to correct was that I considered them conservative. Actually I would like to change this opinion to protective of their feelings. Slavic women definitely have very very strong emotions when it comes to their man, and they are simply protecting themselves from have these feelings broken. Probably the Muscovite girls become a little more relaxed on these matters.

    So anyway, following on about the Friday night. The brunette seemed to be wasting my time so I had a change of heart. She claimed to be bored, feeling dizzy from a glass of wine and was going to go home. Honestly, I was becoming sick of her and she was taking my attention for granted. I decided to just cut my losses and see where the night can take me. I just got my things together and asked that her taxi drop me down at the clubs. This really didn't go down well and she could tell I was now ditching her which really changed her interest in me. I was insisting on her leaving me to go clubbing alone but she would have nothing to do with this. I was surprised and didn't know if she was genuinely worried about my safety and worried that I would just find another girl. Probably both. She came along and enjoyed a drink together but I wanted to migrate around the bar a little to see what I can find. Considering I know a few people in this small town and there are only 2 clubs and I thought the chances of me bumping into someone I knew was rather high. My plans worked out well, I ran into another girl and her friends I had met briefly as an acquaintance. This other girl was very interested in me and was now competing. Most enjoyable experience I have to date of 'changing the rules of the game' on the beautiful brunette. In the space of 30 mins she went from having my undivided attention to having to compete for it and this was the key. The girl I bumped into realized I was here together with the brunette and went about telling her how lucky she is to have me accompany her and have my attention etc. Very pleasant having 2 beautiful women competing for you! So I kept ditching the brunette to make her more competitive and it worked. I think she decided in the end, well if I'm not going to enjoy fucking him, some other girl is, so it might as well be me.

    What could have been a simple trip from point A to point B and us fucking early in the night when I was neither drunk nor exhausted from being out clubbing all night became a trip from point A to Z and back to point B. Ended up back at my place in the very early hours and was still a very very enjoyable experience. The hottest girl I have ever had and was absolutely amazing. The sweetest pussy I have tasted. A Great session. I was just left thinking I hope this isn't only a one off because I want to really enjoy this when I'm sober and not tired. Fortunately it was back on again Sunday afternoon and again absolutely amazing. This is an experience I will remember for the rest of my life.

    Still her behavior surprised a little. She is the first one I've had who has actually had her own condom (s). I was surprised that she was making it incredibly difficult but had decided at some point before that perhaps she was going to fuck me and was ready for this. Coming back from the club there was no agreement that she was even going to come into my apartment, I simply assumed she was staying inside and continuing home. But she got out for what I assumed to be to say good bye and the taxi drove off. Following this she agreed to come inside for tea.

  12. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by DavidVanSchuma  [View Original Post]
    I learnt from these that absolute bullshit is the best policy.
    That's pretty much my understanding as well.

    The deal breaker was that I didn't go to her birthday dinner with her family.
    Someday, if you do meet a woman that you would truly like to impress, find out what is her birthday, remember it and celebrate it. Very few things will impress a Russian woman more than a man who remembers and celebrates her birthday.

  13. #28

    Small towns.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsky  [View Original Post]
    [i]I will arise and go now, and go to Yaroslavl,

    So, it seems there is no shortage of attractive single women in the provinces, but, unlike their big city counterparts they are in no hurry to jump into bed. Plus the limitations of small town life, such as the possibility of running into a woman you already know, while you are out with another.

    What do you think is the expectation of the women you have met in the provinces? Do you they simply assume that any single man will be seeing more than one woman at a time? Or do they expect that you will only be dating them? At least until you change your mind. If they did happen to see you around town with another woman, would they be; surprised? Angry? Indifferent?
    Fortunately as of yet I have not bumped into one girl while with another, especially lucky this hasn't happened while I've said I was "with colleagues". It is only a matter of time as I'm sure this will happen eventually. It should be actually quite entertaining to see the fireworks whether private by sms or public. I don't know if the girl would actually approach me, or simply abuse me privately after (depends on the girl). I've been keeping my profile rather low and not been out to the clubs at peak times. There is one cafe I quite like due to it's intimacy and it has no doubt been entertaining for the devushka working there who now knows the guy who speaks English (tries anyway) , who tries to speak Russian, who has been there with at least 10 different beautiful women drinking tea.

    The expectation is definitely that you are exclusively courting them. I'm quite used to city girls and know well that if you are spending time with more than 2 women it makes at least one of these women more competitive and curious. It is a good tool to use with city girls. With these provincial women, if they get even a sniff that one is dividing his time between multiple women they will simply refuse to communicate. I learnt this through the mamba sagas; girl #1, I went on 2 simple dates with but refused to kiss, come into my flat for tea, still had the nerve to go crazy that I was online on mamba but not chatting to her (actually I simply didn't see she was online and she didn't send me a message) she was way below my standards anyway and I've moved on gladly. Girl #2, admittedly I did fuck multiple times overs 3 encounters and she also went crazy that I was still signing into mamba, which was not the deal breaker. The deal breaker was that I didn't go to her birthday dinner with her family. Girl #3, I was only chatting to via mamba but still hadn't met with her as she was on vacation for 2 weeks. When she asked me if I knew about Ivanovoskie girls and if I had met with any, I went with a partially honest response,"I had met with 2 but only as friends, and it didn't go any further. I learnt about Ivanovo and it was educational for me." That was the last I heard of her. I learnt from these that absolute bullshit is the best policy.

    So the week is still keeping me busy, after the first 2 dates, on Wednesday I had a previous girl who went-to-town on me want one last session. I turned it down which I don't know why. I was tired and I guess if I have to psycho-analyse myself I had already 'been there and done that' and no longer exciting. Last night I dated with the smoking hot brunette and I am quite happy with how I have gone from mediocrity to a 9. 5/10 in less than 2 months, she finally gave in for a kiss and is warming very quickly. From my previous post, Russian women (all women) respond well to men who just do what they want and try to get what they want in terms of confidence. Mix this with money, looks, education / intelligence, a nothing-to-lose attitude and a good humor about being turned down and eventually things work out. We parted ways for the evening and just when I was about to walk into my door I received a call from another mamba girl who I hadn't met with yet but sent her my number. I was surprised that she was wanting to meet at 10 pm to go for a walk. Risky, well I'm adventurous and I did have a nice walk with her. She was actually a very nice girl, attractive and slim, and spoke a good mixture of bad English and Russian, but very talkative and enthusiastic which I am attracted to.

    This evening I am lucky to juggle multiple opportunities. I turned down one mamba girl for 3rd date, she simply is not a priority, however hot I just don't see the signs of attraction with her looking at me. I think she likes the attention and wants to try to play me at arms length. When I try to set up a date and the girl simply replies "Hi. I am busy." with no attempt to reschedule I am not chasing.

    I can commence the evening in the presence of single English-speaking Russian women at a location / weekly-event I found (not English class, details I would only drop by PM). This should take approx. 2 hours of my time to sow some seeds and probably get a number or connection. I had been at this event once before but circumstances (already being on a date) prevented any sneaky behavior and it has been off for the last few weeks. One of the girls here is the thing dreams are made of. Blonde and stunning. The other girls here are also highly educated and smoking hot. I simply need to turn up, work out which one's are single / interested and make my choice (anyway, in Ivanovo, all single women are interested). After this I am meeting with the brunette to advance things for the evening.

  14. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by DavidVanSchuma  [View Original Post]
    Firstly, I will name one other city I have visited. Yaroslavl. Word on the street is that this is the new 'City of Brides' with more women than men. No longer Ivanovo. This is a good thing because it is far more beautiful than Ivanovo. Number 1 club here is Med (Honey). If my life circumstances change in the future, I will come back to this city for an extended stay.
    I will arise and go now, and go to Yaroslavl,
    And a small cabin build there, of birch and wattles made...


    Yaroslavl would be my choice as well, if I ever find the time for a trip like that.

    Med looks like the place to be http://mednightclub.ru/med.swf

    What is the greatest complication here in the provinces?. Language barrier. This is the difference between a few drops coming from the sky and the heavens opening up. If I was dealing exclusively in Russian I would quite literally be drowning in women. Russian classes are now a priority.
    How true! This can never be emphasized enough.

    The greatest impression I have formulated over the last few women is that the provincial girls are conservative to their counterparts from any capital city in the world, not only Moscow and Pieter. Reality is much harsher than the dream. I still find it quite amusing that even though they are short on men, starved for attention, and look 'hungry'. Kissing on the 2nd date is still moving too fast.
    Even though it isn't such a small town, running in this circle, it is likely that you will run into girls you have already met while with others. This is part of the reason for me want to take advantage of multiple formats. Clubs, mamba, language class, shops etc.
    So, it seems there is no shortage of attractive single women in the provinces, but, unlike their big city counterparts they are in no hurry to jump into bed. Plus the limitations of small town life, such as the possibility of running into a woman you already know, while you are out with another.

    What do you think is the expectation of the women you have met in the provinces? Do you they simply assume that any single man will be seeing more than one woman at a time? Or do they expect that you will only be dating them? At least until you change your mind. If they did happen to see you around town with another woman, would they be; surprised? angry? indifferent?

  15. #26

    All these women.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsky  [View Original Post]
    David,

    Your reports are always interesting. But how do you do it-keeping track of all these women? Girls from Mamba, girls from language class, private introductions, girls in other towns.

    Do you need some help? .

    Can you tell us what other provincial cities you visited over the weekend?
    Thanks Strav. I'm not much of a writer and have no great writing style but I try to put my thoughts down here.

    Firstly, I will name one other city I have visited. Yaroslavl. Word on the street is that this is the new 'City of Brides' with more women than men. No longer Ivanovo. This is a good thing because it is far more beautiful than Ivanovo. Number 1 club here is Med (Honey). If my life circumstances change in the future, I will come back to this city for an extended stay.

    Keeping track of all these women. Well that is definitely a difficult part. Not to sound too egotistic but intelligence and memory are quite crucial. For girls from mamba, the minimum which I do is scan back over the conversation I've had with them before the date so things can be fresh in my mind. Others I've been communicating via email, sms, what's app so can browse back through the convo for some background.

    I have now dated around 10. 15 girls over less than 2 months. What is the greatest complication here in the provinces?. Language barrier. This is the difference between a few drops coming from the sky and the heavens opening up. If I was dealing exclusively in Russian I would quite literally be drowning in women. Russian classes are now a priority.

    The greatest impression I have formulated over the last few women is that the provincial girls are conservative to their counterparts from any capital city in the world, not only Moscow and Pieter. Reality is much harsher than the dream. I still find it quite amusing that even though they are short on men, starved for attention, and look 'hungry'. Kissing on the 2nd date is still moving too fast. To be honest, I think that psychologically they want to draw out the courting phase as long as possible because the whole feeling of attention, being wanted and chased is much more important to them than actually getting the man in the end. Before coming here I honestly thought that they might have a sense of urgency of 'securing that foreign man' but it is not the case.

    In Ivanovo, the pick-up-scene is definitely limited to Friday and Saturday nights. There are 2 main dance clubs in town. If relying on this it limits the possibilities and opportunities. Even though it isn't such a small town, running in this circle, it is likely that you will run into girls you have already met while with others. This is part of the reason for me want to take advantage of multiple formats. Clubs, mamba, language class, shops etc.

    So far this week I have had 2 dates. 2 different girls in 2 evenings. Girl #1 was from mamba and one I had finally pinned down for a 2nd date. Very attractive, tall, average build with nice arse, legs and large tits. She is nice enough and interesting to speak to but still a little shy / conservative. She is slowly warming and I will give the 3rd date a decent attempt at some affection. If not I will only pursue it further if my time is free. Girl #2 was the smoking hot brunette from last week. I thought she was going to be quite warm and affectionate but still too conservative for a kiss even though I tried multiple times. I know from experience it is best to take this with good humor, it at least shows confidence and that one is not desperate with good self-esteem. I at least placed a bit of pressure in terms of conversation if she will make me feel uncomfortable with turning down my advances by saying,"Really, it's ok, if you're not interested in me I'm not offended if you tell me this." Anyway she was not having any interest in saying this and told me she is interested in me. So, it is just the problem I was stating above about things moving too fast for her, or that she is languishing the attention but not really interested which I don't buy because I have enough experience with women to see the way she looks at me. The girl who I traveled with on the weekend I put in the 2nd assessment, she simply wasn't interested but was liking the attention and I have no intention of pursuing her and wasting my time / energy / finances.

    So I'm now down to 2 girls, with the 3rd model-looking-one away but in communication for when she gets back. This seems to be the ideal number because dating is rather limited to weekends and having more would be simply too difficult to give enough attention to get anywhere. I won't try to add any at the moment and work on these two. Ideally I would date the girls for dinner and see if that goes anywhere, if they ditch me early and need to go home etc, I am at least in a good position to just go to one of the clubs and see what I can make of the evening. My priority is the brunette (she is just so hot) and back-up is the mamba girl.

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