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  1. #2626
    Quote Originally Posted by ViperX  [View Original Post]
    Judging by pics mate.
    OK, no problem. I have used agencies and Indies in Montreal since 2007. I can tell you that the Montreal agencies are the best and most consistent that I have ever used. I have had a few OK agencies in the US but they seem to get busted a lot. I typically use other formats when I travel around the world.

    One thing I like about my favorite Montreal agencies is that there is little photo shopping done. The girls typically look better than their photos. I prefer this than the other way around. I can remember an agency girl in BA Argentina and it as the same girl but I ordered the photo shopped version.

    One thing that is sometimes missing in Montreal is elegant dressing of the agency girls. Many girls arrive dressed way too casual for my taste.

  2. #2625
    If you are looking for a low mileage, college girl on SA, I thought you would have to help put her through school and / or pay for an apartment. I think you would have to be into a semi-monogamous relationship for a considerable amount of time and compensation. I also thought contracts were involved.

    The news magazine coverage of sugar babies that I have seen suggests exactly that. Older men with wealth who wanted both a relationship and the young stuff. Clearly, they didn't want to marry a sugar baby. Perhaps on occasion a sugar daddy marries a sugar baby when some feelings develop.

  3. #2624
    Quote Originally Posted by HungryStud101  [View Original Post]
    You have never tried an agency and you feel qualified to comment?

    You really think that the authorities would waste their time intercepting calls?
    Judging by pics mate.

  4. #2623
    Quote Originally Posted by ViperX  [View Original Post]
    I personally prefer SA. Its the way to go for locals anyway. Much better quality & lower mileage.

    Never tried an agency. Not planning to either.
    .
    You have never tried an agency and you feel qualified to comment?

    You really think that the authorities would waste their time intercepting calls?

  5. #2622
    Quote Originally Posted by ViperX  [View Original Post]
    I personally prefer SA. Its the way to go for locals anyway. Much better quality & lower mileage.

    Never tried an agency. Not planning to either.

    I was wondering if any of the SB profiles on SA are actually placed by authorities. That is where my question arose from.
    No, there has never been a report of such. All of the fake ads placed by police have been in free forums using racy language with the implication of an underaged lady, with follow-up texting stating very explicitly that the (fake) provider was underaged. And for what it is worth, these sting operations have occurred in parts of Canada other than urban Montreal.

    There was one Montreal independent escort who threw a hissy fit on Twitter when she was booted from Seeking Arrangement for using that platform for escorting. So there is monitoring of messages by SA itself. It was explained to her by others that SA is concerned about USA Law enforcement, not Canadian, where the enforcement is quite different. And a user of SA operates under the terms and conditions of a private company.

    To each his own, but since there is significant overlap between escorts and sugar babies accepting extremely short-term encounters, I am not certain the "mileage" is much different, or that it is not the exact same lady with several different "pagers" in her pocket. Actually, they don't use pagers now. Several different new email / new message notifications.

    Many of us get amused at how entrepreneurial escorts who do porn / webcam always use a different name, and make it clear that escort reviews are not to connect their identities. It would seem to most johns that a guy viewing a webcam would be very excited that for a few dollars more, he could fuck this dream girl in reality. But I guess some guys viewing a lady online like her "unattainable" status, and that is wrecked if he knows she works as an escort.

    I have observed in the BDSM world that some (not all, but some) ladies working as doms / switches / subs schedule their sessions, and adjust how heavily they play as a female sub, if they have a regular male sub customer scheduled who does not like it if his dom has a red bottom, or any little marks on her butt. Apparently, that spoils the session for some male subs who are pure submissive who don't like to switch. You would think the opposite would be true, so it is not something I can figure out. Just an example of the many things in the sex industry that baffles me.

    So I respect your opinion, but I have some skepticism that SA ladies have lower "mileage" than the multitude of 18-25 year old Montreal agency escorts. Especially since it is not unheard of for Montreal's independent escorts, who are usually in the 25-40 year old range, to advertise as an escort online and use SA under a different name. And a great number of these women worked for an agency once. I presume you may be looking for an SA lady who is relatively younger and doesn't want to risk being recognized by working for an agency. I realize this market exists, but I have always read that the costs can be significantly higher, particularly for a short-term encounter. My personal theory is that she knows the customer somehow perceived her as superior to an escort who advertises as such, and she uses that perception to her monetary advantage. I am not sure that perception matches reality in this situation, but to each his own. As I said, there are a lot of things in this industry that baffle me.

  6. #2621

    Sa.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mongerer88  [View Original Post]
    No. The local review boards have dedicated forums regarding law enforcement activities and there is no such activity by the police. The police do take out occasional ads in low-priced venues that blatantly advertise underaged providers. Then the police interact with the johns and reaffirm that the advertised lady is under 18, and then arrest the john when he arrives. Perhaps that is what you read about. But that is not "intercepting calls / texts" and is a world apart from contacting a reviewed agency / escort, where no minors work. That is the activity that is left alone by law enforcement.
    I personally prefer SA. Its the way to go for locals anyway. Much better quality & lower mileage.

    Never tried an agency. Not planning to either.

    I was wondering if any of the SB profiles on SA are actually placed by authorities. That is where my question arose from.

  7. #2620

    Kellie at XO

    I spent time with Kellie at XO recently. She had a cute GND face and a killer body. She had some visible piercings and tattoos, that gave alternative chick vibe. Pictures on the web site are accurate and recent. Don't expect GND type girl when you meet her, however. I was happy with all the services and attitude. I did not ask for anything outside of standard GFE, so I don't know exactly what's on the menu. But overall it was a nice experience.

    Disclaimer: All characters appearing in this story are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental.

  8. #2619
    Quote Originally Posted by ViperX  [View Original Post]
    Don't the authorities intercept calls / texts & go after Johns? Or is that against privacy & such communication considered discrete?
    No. The local review boards have dedicated forums regarding law enforcement activities and there is no such activity by the police. The police do take out occasional ads in low-priced venues that blatantly advertise underaged providers. Then the police interact with the johns and reaffirm that the advertised lady is under 18, and then arrest the john when he arrives. Perhaps that is what you read about. But that is not "intercepting calls / texts" and is a world apart from contacting a reviewed agency / escort, where no minors work. That is the activity that is left alone by law enforcement.

  9. #2618
    Quote Originally Posted by WyattEarp  [View Original Post]
    I was surprised to come across a comment elsewhere that said MTL outcall was better and incall was risky because the authorities might bust an agency. My impression is the Montreal authorities don't interfere with discreet P4P interactions at incalls. It seemed on occasion they might close a massage parlor, but I'm guessing they are operating indiscreetly out in the open.

    Is that a fair assessment?
    Yes. I think those early comments arose out of an analysis of how USA Law enforcement gathers evidence.

    In the USA, from the customer's perspective, outcall to a hotel is safer than going to a fixed-place incall with multiple ladies that has been in operation for a significant length of time. Although going to place does not produce evidence of what happens in the room, the fact that a john entered a private building leaves him open to questioning that he might panic and fumble.

    Contrast that to hotel outcall. The john has every right to be in the hotel room that he paid for. A hotel occupant in North America is generally permitted to have unregistered guests enter his room (that is a concept that guys who mostly do this in South America are bewildered by), so it is very difficult for the police to legally question a guy about who entered his hotel room (and of course the hotel has a strong interest in keeping the police from doing such questioning). Although sting operations in the USA Do exist for incalls where the guy goes to see an unreviewed lady who does no screening (the "girl" doesn't exist, it is a bunch of cops in the incall hotel room), USA Law enforcement simply doesn't send a policewoman into a hotel outcall situation.

    So in the early days of Canada's c-36 law, there were a lot of posts discussing how hotel outcall a lot safer legally than incall based on that data from the USA But Canada, unlike the USA, has a string division between its law enforcement and its politicians. In the USA, many sting operations involving sex work occur just before election time. In the northeast USA, there was a local prosecuting attorney who was running for Congress, and she not only ordered a sting operation involving a fake incall, but she called a press conference where she stood with the police under a banner showing all of the guys who had just been arrested, labeling them as sex traffickers. The media articles reporting the press conference said she was a Congressional candidate. It was an unimaginable violation of the supposed separation between the prosecutors office and the actual police department, and a blatant use of her local government job to further her Congressional campaign. She got elected to the USA Congress of course.

    Fortunately, that kind of thing is just not seen in Canada, so those early comparisons were invalid. The Montreal police, which is independent from the legislature, and does not consist of people using the prosecutor's position to get elected to the legislature, announced a priority policy involving sex work. Essentially, private sex transactions between consenting adults that are not visible to the public are given the lowest priority by the Montreal police. So these agency incalls, generally in condominiums, with the address only given to customers, and with extremely little foot traffic as a result of only 1, 2 or 3 ladies working at a time, are given such a very, very low priority by the police. So no reasonable belief currently exists that these incalls represent a greater legal risk to the customer than hotel outcall. Montreal once had a lot of massage parlors with pictures of 90 percent naked ladies on the door, but that has largely disappeared from view. No reason to invite law enforcement activity, which is what happens if the advertising is that blatant.

  10. #2617
    Quote Originally Posted by PyroPyotr  [View Original Post]
    Wyatt,

    You are absolutely correct. As a local, I've been mongering in Montreal and other cities in Canada for many many years now. So far, the only places that were ever raided by authorities are those operating in flagrant defiance of the authorities and those with obvious and undeniable ties to criminal activities. If you book with reputable agencies or independent providers, you should have no issues at all whatsoever.
    I was under the impression that the authorities crack down on Johns. Which can be done by intercepting calls / texts. Unless I'm missing something.

  11. #2616
    Quote Originally Posted by WyattEarp  [View Original Post]
    I was surprised to come across a comment elsewhere that said MTL outcall was better and incall was risky because the authorities might bust an agency. My impression is the Montreal authorities don't interfere with discreet P4P interactions at incalls. It seemed on occasion they might close a massage parlor, but I'm guessing they are operating indiscreetly out in the open.

    Is that a fair assessment?
    Don't the authorities intercept calls / texts & go after Johns? Or is that against privacy & such communication considered discrete?

  12. #2615
    Wyatt,

    You are absolutely correct. As a local, I've been mongering in Montreal and other cities in Canada for many many years now. So far, the only places that were ever raided by authorities are those operating in flagrant defiance of the authorities and those with obvious and undeniable ties to criminal activities. If you book with reputable agencies or independent providers, you should have no issues at all whatsoever.

  13. #2614
    Quote Originally Posted by Mongerer88  [View Original Post]
    Locals prefer agency incalls to save them the cost of the hotel. Once again, xoEscorts just recently eliminated the surcharge for downtown outcalls. So unless you can walk to their incall, it is going to make it more expensive for you to do incall instead of outcall if you need to Uber or cab to the incall.
    I was surprised to come across a comment elsewhere that said MTL outcall was better and incall was risky because the authorities might bust an agency. My impression is the Montreal authorities don't interfere with discreet P4P interactions at incalls. It seemed on occasion they might close a massage parlor, but I'm guessing they are operating indiscreetly out in the open.

    Is that a fair assessment?

  14. #2613
    Quote Originally Posted by fuji_rw  [View Original Post]
    I'm staying in Montreal for three days. Ostensibly for work but really it's just a few meetings. I'm going to be like a kid in a candy store.

    I've pulled in a lot of reviews here (super helpful) but in terms of pure itinerary what would you guys do? Stay on St Catherine's and schedule 2-3 outcalls and if I feel the need in between hit a club, Incall or massage place?
    Montreal really doesn't have a club scene involving the purchase of sex, as open solicitation is illegal and would put the club in legal danger.

    It is difficult to get good information regarding massage parlors and you might not get the full service you want.

    If you have a good hotel room, just get outcall. It is the accepted way that tourists get laid in Montreal and risk free.

    Locals prefer agency incalls to save them the cost of the hotel. Once again, xoEscorts just recently eliminated the surcharge for downtown outcalls. So unless you can walk to their incall, it is going to make it more expensive for you to do incall instead of outcall if you need to Uber or cab to the incall.

  15. #2612

    Fuckpalooza.

    I'm staying in Montreal for three days. Ostensibly for work but really it's just a few meetings. I'm going to be like a kid in a candy store.

    I've pulled in a lot of reviews here (super helpful) but in terms of pure itinerary what would you guys do? Stay on St Catherine's and schedule 2-3 outcalls and if I feel the need in between hit a club, Incall or massage place?

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