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  1. #939
    Quote Originally Posted by Bkkdog  [View Original Post]
    You have some valid points here Tooms and as a user of smooci and the others, I still think they can coexist in a perfect world. For example, one of my regulars just went on smooci. She charges me 3000 and I get a true GFE in the sense that you and I think of. However, she charges 5000 on smooci. A few weeks ago, she showed up at a punter's condo who booked her on smooci and the guy was high as a kite. She got scared and left. So not being able to meet the customer in real before the lady agrees to go with the punter can be a bad thing. She wasted the taxi money to travel near the airport from Nana and back.

    My point is this. Smooci is just another way for the ladies to find clients. There is no sweet deal they make with smooci and it comes with different risks. The reason you have to pay upfront is a simple one. The lady has never met you before. What if she met you in a bar or go go, she can decide about you and see how you act. Then she may not be so serious about you paying upfront. You and her have built a rapport already. With smooci it is wam bam thank you mam so the customer should pay upfront.

    Think of smooci as just an added option but believe you and me, the ladies are not rolling in cash and getting hundreds of customers from smooci. I've heard it first hand. The risk they take by meeting a client they've never even talked to before warrants the extra cost in my opinion. The freelancers have just added smooci to their list of ways to find customers. These girls still troll TF, we chat and the other places. They still go to Insanity, they still work in a Go Go.

    To recap, we sure as hell don't want smooci involved with the Go Go bars but that wouldn't make any sense to have the ladies going in and out of the bar to meet their customers. The whole go go bar business model would go up in flames. LD-Bar fine-Fee for sex. Two separate things that should be kept that way.
    Yes, Bkkdog, I can certainly see your point. But, in the example you gave, the extra 2000 baht more she gets from her Smooci customers than she happily accepts from guys she already knew before or meets elsewhere ought to be plenty of "insurance" compensation against the occasional screw up that might cause her to waste as much as taxi money, no? Why pile on with the 1,000-2,000 baht Cancellation Fee and the Pay Upfont In Full business? Sure, the customer no doubt has more money in the bank than the girl does. That is bound to be true in every P4P encounter. But he is betting quite a bit more money than taxi fare to find out what she really looks like when that hotel room door swings open and what she actually will or won't do on the bed after he has Paid Upfront in Full within 10 minutes of seeing her for the first time.

    It will be interesting to see if Smooci's projected Chat Feature solves some of these issues. If the girl you knew had been able to chat with the guy right before she left for the appointment, his high as a kite condition might have revealed itself. Video chatting would be better for something like that as well as helping to reveal a whole slew of other conditions the girl might want to avoid. However, in order for a Chat Feature to be truly useful, each side needs to know their conversation and whatever is agreed upon that is off the menu is and will remain confidential between the two of them and not shared with a third party whose monitoring of it will undoubtedly influence and change the outcome of the chat. But something tells me that is not how Smooci will set it up.

  2. #938
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    Forgive me for jumping in here. I don't have personal reports to relate about Smooci's booking process so I am supposed to be a good boy and not comment here too much. But when someone begins to push for Smooci to branch out into the go-go bar trade, then that IS my territory and I must say something.

    Smooci is a convenience for those who can't or don't want to leave their hotel room to arrange a P4P session in a huge city chock-ful of places to do that in person. And Smooci can rightly claim to have helped reduce the cost of some girls who apparently weren't getting enough bookings through their usual Escort service site at their usual stated prices. Good for the escort service crowd. As long as they are fine with accepting a reduced cost for those girls in exchange for that very sweet deal Smooci has pre-negotiated for the girls vs for the customers, that is.

    But nobody has mentioned what Smooci has done to the cost of Freelancers, referred to as Independents on Smooci, who have found and put themselves on that site. The cost of those Freelancers is now 2-3 TIMES what I am absolutely certain I would have to pay those same girls if they only had Thermae, other bars, the dating sites and the street on which to ply their trade. In several cases, they are 2-3 times what I HAVE paid those same girls back when they were a couple of years younger, slimmer and more sexually accommodating than their newly limited Smooci profile list of provided services suggests!

    And if any one of them had tried to strike the sweet deal for themselves that Smooci has pre-negotiated for them, I would have quickly walked away laughing before they got past the 1,000-2,000 baht Cancellation Fee On Arrival in the room part of it to even GET to the Full Payment Must Be Paid Upfront Within 10 Minutes crap.

    Why in the world would you want Smooci to do that same thing to the go-go bar option and for girls who work in go-go bars but, thank god, apparently have not heard of Smooci yet?
    You have some valid points here Tooms and as a user of smooci and the others, I still think they can coexist in a perfect world. For example, one of my regulars just went on smooci. She charges me 3000 and I get a true GFE in the sense that you and I think of. However, she charges 5000 on smooci. A few weeks ago, she showed up at a punter's condo who booked her on smooci and the guy was high as a kite. She got scared and left. So not being able to meet the customer in real before the lady agrees to go with the punter can be a bad thing. She wasted the taxi money to travel near the airport from Nana and back.

    My point is this. Smooci is just another way for the ladies to find clients. There is no sweet deal they make with smooci and it comes with different risks. The reason you have to pay upfront is a simple one. The lady has never met you before. What if she met you in a bar or go go, she can decide about you and see how you act. Then she may not be so serious about you paying upfront. You and her have built a rapport already. With smooci it is wam bam thank you mam so the customer should pay upfront.

    Think of smooci as just an added option but believe you and me, the ladies are not rolling in cash and getting hundreds of customers from smooci. I've heard it first hand. The risk they take by meeting a client they've never even talked to before warrants the extra cost in my opinion. The freelancers have just added smooci to their list of ways to find customers. These girls still troll TF, we chat and the other places. They still go to Insanity, they still work in a Go Go.

    To recap, we sure as hell don't want smooci involved with the Go Go bars but that wouldn't make any sense to have the ladies going in and out of the bar to meet their customers. The whole go go bar business model would go up in flames. LD-Bar fine-Fee for sex. Two separate things that should be kept that way.

  3. #937
    Quote Originally Posted by AstoraDick  [View Original Post]
    There has to be a solution to bring them on board, don't you think so?

    What if you tweak the app so one dedicated manager can receive the request and upon accepting, the request will be shared to the companion and shown on her app. The GPS tracking will then start and show the journey to the client. The manager can control the status of the companion ones she's bar fined and also when she returns.

    That's one way to go about it. The only concern I can think of is that the talents don't like to be photographed but surely a handful of them wouldn't mind. Like the go-go bars themselves do tweet about their talents on the social media.
    Forgive me for jumping in here. I don't have personal reports to relate about Smooci's booking process so I am supposed to be a good boy and not comment here too much. But when someone begins to push for Smooci to branch out into the go-go bar trade, then that IS my territory and I must say something.

    Smooci is a convenience for those who can't or don't want to leave their hotel room to arrange a P4P session in a huge city chock-ful of places to do that in person. And Smooci can rightly claim to have helped reduce the cost of some girls who apparently weren't getting enough bookings through their usual Escort service site at their usual stated prices. Good for the escort service crowd. As long as they are fine with accepting a reduced cost for those girls in exchange for that very sweet deal Smooci has pre-negotiated for the girls vs for the customers, that is.

    But nobody has mentioned what Smooci has done to the cost of Freelancers, referred to as Independents on Smooci, who have found and put themselves on that site. The cost of those Freelancers is now 2-3 TIMES what I am absolutely certain I would have to pay those same girls if they only had Thermae, other bars, the dating sites and the street on which to ply their trade. In several cases, they are 2-3 times what I HAVE paid those same girls back when they were a couple of years younger, slimmer and more sexually accommodating than their newly limited Smooci profile list of provided services suggests!

    And if any one of them had tried to strike the sweet deal for themselves that Smooci has pre-negotiated for them, I would have quickly walked away laughing before they got past the 1,000-2,000 baht Cancellation Fee On Arrival in the room part of it to even GET to the Full Payment Must Be Paid Upfront Within 10 Minutes crap.

    Why in the world would you want Smooci to do that same thing to the go-go bar option and for girls who work in go-go bars but, thank god, apparently have not heard of Smooci yet?

  4. #936
    Quote Originally Posted by SmoociApp  [View Original Post]
    We have had interest from both before and have discussed it, but the way Smooci works doesn't suite those kind of places.

    We maintain Smooci as a live booking platform, requiring girls to only be online when they are available to respond quickly to bookings. Bookings requests are immediately sent to the apps of the girls and they have 10 minutes to respond, and currently most responses are within 3 minutes. If a companion doesn't respond within 10 minutes the booking is auto declined so the client can book again. The companion is then timed out and sent offline, and if they time- out too often their account is suspended for periods.

    Most gogos and massages don't allow their girls to have their phones with them while working, or at least don't want then to be constantly checking their phones, so they wouldn't be able to use Smooci in the correct way.
    There has to be a solution to bring them on board, don't you think so?

    What if you tweak the app so one dedicated manager can receive the request and upon accepting, the request will be shared to the companion and shown on her app. The GPS tracking will then start and show the journey to the client. The manager can control the status of the companion ones she's bar fined and also when she returns.

    That's one way to go about it. The only concern I can think of is that the talents don't like to be photographed but surely a handful of them wouldn't mind. Like the go-go bars themselves do tweet about their talents on the social media.

  5. #935
    Quote Originally Posted by AstoraDick  [View Original Post]
    That's reassuring. But, how about teaming up with go-go bars and MPS too?
    We have had interest from both before and have discussed it, but the way Smooci works doesn't suite those kind of places.

    We maintain Smooci as a live booking platform, requiring girls to only be online when they are available to respond quickly to bookings. Bookings requests are immediately sent to the apps of the girls and they have 10 minutes to respond, and currently most responses are within 3 minutes. If a companion doesn't respond within 10 minutes the booking is auto declined so the client can book again. The companion is then timed out and sent offline, and if they time- out too often their account is suspended for periods.

    Most gogos and massages don't allow their girls to have their phones with them while working, or at least don't want then to be constantly checking their phones, so they wouldn't be able to use Smooci in the correct way.

  6. #934

    Go-go bars and MPs?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmoociApp  [View Original Post]
    We were actually hoping to get more independents and would like to get the quota closer to 60/40 in favour of agencies. The agencies offer good stabilty and customer services, but the independents bring in better variety.

    We do get several new independents sign up each week which helps to keep things fresh. We may look at adding more agencies in the new year but ideally we can't the number of independents to grow first.
    That's reassuring. But, how about teaming up with go-go bars and MPS too?

  7. #933
    Quote Originally Posted by AstoraDick  [View Original Post]
    Any chance to increase the number of agencies and their slots? Maybe invite massage parlors / go-go bars, Mitu and Bilboards for example, into the platform as well?

    In my opinion, the introduction of independents was not a success despite aggressive incentive to members introducing companions to the platform. The number of independents, their consistency and possibly communication are hardly mediocre.

    Somehow, I could say that the platform is going into stagnation in term of companion pool. I strongly suggest to add 1-2 more agencies as the current agencies were with you since inception. It is no harm to do so and throw something into the mix.

    Go-go bars and MPs have many talents idle at times and they could find the platform very useful, too.

    I have booked about 13-15 companions so far and 2-3 of them were independents and I'm very fond of the platform. But, I'm starting to look into go-go bars and MPs for alternatives.

    Please do consider adding few more agencies.
    We were actually hoping to get more independents and would like to get the quota closer to 60/40 in favour of agencies. The agencies offer good stabilty and customer services, but the independents bring in better variety.

    We do get several new independents sign up each week which helps to keep things fresh. We may look at adding more agencies in the new year but ideally we can't the number of independents to grow first.

  8. #932
    Quote Originally Posted by Aviator12  [View Original Post]
    Hi. What is the status for the European launch now?
    Berlin is just about ready to launch. We are now testing the chat feature and ironing out the bugs, and we should be ready to roll out the chat and Berlin launch some time next week.

    We are then looking to launch in London late Jan / early Feb, and Barcelona and Amsterdam not long after that.

  9. #931
    Quote Originally Posted by SmoociApp  [View Original Post]
    We have been working on a chat feature which we are looking to launch within the next 2 weeks.

    This will allos premium clients to message escorts without having to first make a booking.

    As part of the feature we hope to be able to give the escorts the ability to send counter offers and adjusted booking details (fees. Times, shots) to help with negotiations and keeping the details clear to both parties.
    I'd imagine more guys would sign up for your premium membership if they feel they can save some money by being able to negotiate.

  10. #930
    Quote Originally Posted by SmoociApp  [View Original Post]
    We don't have a date set for Pattaya, we admittedly rushed in to planning a Pattaya launch plan before realizing we need to wait.

    We have gotten a lot of attention in Pattaya, we get a lot of escorts and clients contacting us about Pattaya on a daily basis now. One concern is that we don't want to become overly dependent on the Thai market or get too much attention in Thailand before we are established in Europe.

    Secondly, having done more research on Pattaya we realize the market is very different there and will require the a chat / negotiation feature.

    The good news is that we should have the chat feature ready around the end of this month. Once the chat feature is working without any concerns we can then plan for a Pattaya launch, to fit along with our European launches in Berlin, London, Amsterdam, and Barcelona over the next 6 months.
    Hi. What is the status for the European launch now?

  11. #929

    More agencies?

    Any chance to increase the number of agencies and their slots? Maybe invite massage parlors / go-go bars, Mitu and Bilboards for example, into the platform as well?

    In my opinion, the introduction of independents was not a success despite aggressive incentive to members introducing companions to the platform. The number of independents, their consistency and possibly communication are hardly mediocre.

    Somehow, I could say that the platform is going into stagnation in term of companion pool. I strongly suggest to add 1-2 more agencies as the current agencies were with you since inception. It is no harm to do so and throw something into the mix.

    Go-go bars and MPs have many talents idle at times and they could find the platform very useful, too.

    I have booked about 13-15 companions so far and 2-3 of them were independents and I'm very fond of the platform. But, I'm starting to look into go-go bars and MPs for alternatives.

    Please do consider adding few more agencies.

  12. #928

    Smooci chat feature

    We have been working on a chat feature which we are looking to launch within the next 2 weeks.

    This will allos premium clients to message escorts without having to first make a booking.

    As part of the feature we hope to be able to give the escorts the ability to send counter offers and adjusted booking details (fees. Times, shots) to help with negotiations and keeping the details clear to both parties.

  13. #927
    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasCasey  [View Original Post]
    I was wondering if there is any way to make a booking with Smooci without using my full legal name. I have non issue providing my phone number, hotel, room etc, however was wondering if there was a way to use an abbreviated form of my name or alias for the sake of anonymity. I'm sure your site is relatively secure, but I would hate for there to be a data breach like Ashley Madison had several years ago and have my name be publicly displayed for all to see.

    Thank you for any advice.

    TC.
    Unlike Ashley Maddison we do not store full credit card details on our system, this is done on a third party sever and system. We don't get the credit card details, we only get confirmation a payment was successful attached to an email address.

    We don't require clients to put in their full name or even their real name. The way bookings work are that the client is required to fill in the 'name' field in order to send the booking but we don't check or verify this. Bookings are then sent to the agency or independent who can accept or decline the bookings.

    Some agencies and independents will want to check that a booking is genuine by discreetly calling the hotel / accommodation to check the name and room match in order to see the booking is genuine, especially if the users is new and not premium, but we don't use this policy personally we will send a booking request regardless of the name used.

    If you are a new user and not premium, one tip would be to use a nickname on the booking form (e. G. Mack), and also let your reception know you are known as Mack in case anyone calls for you. That should allow you to avoid using your real name and help the escort verify the booking is genuine.

  14. #926

    Change phone number.

    I would like to book an premium membership.

    Is it possible to register with a mobile phone number from my home country and later change to my Thai number?

    Which are the ways to pay for the Premium membership?

  15. #925

    Anonymity and Smooci.

    I was wondering if there is any way to make a booking with Smooci without using my full legal name. I have non issue providing my phone number, hotel, room etc, however was wondering if there was a way to use an abbreviated form of my name or alias for the sake of anonymity. I'm sure your site is relatively secure, but I would hate for there to be a data breach like Ashley Madison had several years ago and have my name be publicly displayed for all to see.

    Thank you for any advice.

    TC.

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